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InsaneApache
02-21-2006, 11:20
“EUROPE MUST LEARN to live in and with the world, not to dominate it, nor to assume it is superior or more virtuous. Any continent that has inflicted such brutality on the world over a period of 200 years has not too much to be proud of, and much to be modest and humble about.” Martin Jacques, The Guardian, on the cartoons row.

Meanwhile, in a parallel universe . . .




From a Reuters report, Rome, some time around now

The Vatican has protested in “the strongest possible terms” against the publication in paperback of Dan Brown’s bestselling novel, The Da Vinci Code. Cardinal Loopi, of the Office of the Defence of the Faith, condemned the book for defaming Catholicism and, in its suggestion that Jesus Christ was married, of heresy. “We demand that the book be destroyed and that the author be punished,” said Loopi, “otherwise we cannot be held responsible for how Catholics throughout the world may react.”

Excerpt from a speech by Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor

Merkel: “The affront to the honour of the one true Church is in fact an affront to the worship of God, and to the seeking of truth and justice, and an affront to all the prophets of God. Obviously, all those who harm the honour of the one true Church . . .”

Crowd: “Death to Dan Brown.

Death to Dan Brown.

Death to Dan Brown.

Death to Dan Brown.”

From the Paris correspondent of al-Jazeera

A Lyons priest today offered half a million euros and a top-of-the-line Toyota as a reward to anyone who killed Dan Brown or any executive of the Da Vinci Code publishers, Jonathan Cape. Speaking to a 1,000-strong crowd gathered after Mass outside the church of St Marie-la-Vierge, Fr Jules Monbiot announced that the offer was “a unanimous decision by all bishops that whoever insults the one true Church deserves to be killed, and whoever will take this insulting man to his end will get this prize”.

News stories in al-Ahram (Cairo)

Bookseller shot dead in Poland, by teenager shouting: “For God, and the Pope!”

Ten killed in Lisbon Dan Brown riots, when police opened fire on mob ransacking the Canadian Embassy. “We thought he was Canadian,” says riot leader.

Violence in northwest London as Jews go on rampage against Holocaust denial in Muslim countries. Kebab restaurants and curry houses ablaze from the Finchley Road to Edgware.

Iranian and Syrian embassies and consulates attacked in 20 cities worldwide. Iranian Embassy destroyed in Canberra. Australian Government describes violence as “regrettable, but understandable”.

Speech by Angela Merkel, about the convening of an international conference in Berlin to “investigate” Islam

“We propose the following to the Muslims: if you are not lying, allow a group of neutral, honest researchers to come to Mecca, and to talk to people, examine documents and let people know the findings of their research about the Muhammad myth. You have even prevented your own scholars from researching this issue. They are allowed to study anything except for the Muhammad myth. Are these not medieval methods?”

Reuters report from Berlin

“German Chancellor Angela Merkel today caused alarm in diplomatic circles when she called for the Netherlands to be ‘wiped from the face of the earth’.” She went on, “The establishment of the Dutch regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Catholic world.”

Summary of an article in French government newspaper, Le Monde

The Netherlands may have created the avian flu virus in order to damage the economies of Europe, and cleverly planted it first in the Far East to divert attention away from the real plan.

Angela Merkel on German attempts to produce a nuclear weapon

“Those who oppose us should be grateful that our people has acted nobly towards you so far, and has been patient. We want to remain patient. Don’t make us lose our patience. The peoples have awakened. The world of Christendom has awakened. Do not make us reconsider our policies.”

Reuters reports from Munich

Fr Rudiger Schlitz, the assistant to the head of the Catholic Church in Germany, has said that it is doctrinally permissible for nuclear weapons to be used. “When the entire world is armed with nuclear weapons, it is permissible to use these weapons as a counter-measure. According to church law, only the goal is important . . .”

Al-Jazeera News. Mark Seddon reporting . . .

These are the pictures of Our Lady’s Church in Shoreham, following the explosion in which 31 parishioners died, along with the suicide bomber, who is believed to belong to the majority Anglican community. This is the fourth such bomb attack on a Catholic church in the last two years.

Statement from Human Rights Watch . . .

Calling on the Italian authorities to order an immediate, independent investigation into the violent suppression of an apparently peaceful demonstration by Seventh Day Adventists in Naples on February 13, 2005. Hundreds of demonstrators, including women and children, were injured when police and armed militia from the Catholic Enforcement League broke up the protest, apparently using excessive force, and as many as 1,200 protesters are believed to have been arrested. A year later 200 of those detained are still being held without trial.

Report from al Quds-al-Arabi

Finland. Mr X, a local celebrity and Muslim, was exhumed after his funeral and given a Christian burial, despite his widow’s objection that he had not been to Church since he was a child, and had converted to Islam at the age of 15. A church court had considered the case following a complaint from a local Lutheran preacher, and ruled that Mr X should be treated as a Christian.

Excerpts from Amnesty International Report for 2006

In Newcastle, England, a special court sentenced a Gateshead woman to be burnt to death for witchcraft. Betty Spencer, 53, was immolated in front of a crowd that had gathered in the Newcastle United football stadium. It was the sixth such execution since the year 2000.

In Idaho a teacher was killed and three of his pupils badly injured when militia members of the “Party of Christ”, who object to girls being educated on the same premises as boys, fired into a packed schoolroom.

And finally, the good news . . .

From hiding, somewhere in Pakistan, Dan Brown apologises to the Judaeo-Christian world for the publication of The Da Vinci Code, promises to donate the proceeds from all his books to any charity nominated for the purpose by Opus Dei and undertakes to become a monk in a silent order at a monastery atop a high mountain in the Apennines.

clicky (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22369-2049788,00.html)

Will someone please remove that mans tongue from his cheek. Classic.:2thumbsup:

Fragony
02-21-2006, 11:31
Good thing Dan Brown apoligises for the DaVinci code. It's horrible.

Samurai Waki
02-21-2006, 11:33
is it just me...or do I get this eerie feeling like the dark ages are about to happen all over again? :laugh4:

Adrian II
02-21-2006, 12:48
is it just me...or do I get this eerie feeling like the dark ages are about to happen all over again? :laugh4:It would appear so, yes. Decades ago the excellent Gilles Kepel predicted a resurgence of the three religions of the book. It has come true. Islam has been politicised to the point of comsuming itself, the originally secular socialist state of Israel has become a hotbed of Kabbalistic obscurantism, and in the U.S. religious movements have pulled public opinion to the far right.

Great original post by the way! :bow:

Byzantine Prince
02-21-2006, 13:04
Ten killed in Lisbon Dan Brown riots, when police opened fire on mob ransacking the Canadian Embassy. “We thought he was Canadian,” says riot leader.
This is pretty funny. Just for the record, he is NOT Canadian. Don't shoot me if I ever am crazy enough to come to Portugal. :oops:

Devastatin Dave
02-21-2006, 13:46
LOL, good thread..

Death to Dan Brown!!! :laugh4:

Seamus Fermanagh
02-21-2006, 15:33
I laughed, I cried, it became a part of me.:laugh4:

Seriously, I've read and enjoyed both Brown's DVC and A&D. Enjoyed them a lot. The lead character is half prof, half James Bond -- as a former prof, I had a blast.

My Catholic faith wasn't shaken.:2thumbsup:

For Heaven's sake, if 12+ years of Dungeons and Dragons didn't catapult me into perdition, I suspect that a couple of novels might not do too much damage.:dizzy2:

Lazul
02-21-2006, 16:29
For Heaven's sake, if 12+ years of Dungeons and Dragons didn't catapult me into perdition, I suspect that a couple of novels might not do too much damage.:dizzy2:


aaaah... D&D... wonderfull game :2thumbsup:

anyway, very funny reading! :laugh4:

master of the puppets
02-21-2006, 17:04
SEE SEE, this is what i'm talking about when i tell you religion is only gonna cause trouble. REPENT REPENT THROW AWAY THE DEVINE SHACKLES OF ALL FALSE GODS AND EMBRACE THE ONE TRUE IMMORTAL BEING, LOGIC.

funny thread, good book, bad extremests. we are really heading to the dark ages.

Crazed Rabbit
02-21-2006, 17:44
Kind of puts things into perspective, doesn't it? :inquisitive:

The really scary thing is if the quote at the top from the Guardian is real.

Good read, thanks. I've read the DVC, not too bad if you ignore the author's absurd claim of truth at the begining, but stopped reading A&D after multiple insults to Catholicism, including saying that it was a 'cancer' in the first couple chapters.

Crazed Rabbit

Don Corleone
02-21-2006, 18:16
Just out of curiosity, what was the Finnish mock-story referencing? Some Christian was exhumed and the authorities reburied him in a Muslim burial ceremony?

Adrian, if you really believe that American public opinion has been driven 'to the far right' by Christian extremists, when we have legalized gay marriage, condoms in grade schools, 39th week elective abortion, prohibitions against public prayer (and I could go on), you really need to come over for a visit. Your average American doesn't even know who Billy Graham is, let alone follow Christian teachings.

SwordsMaster
02-21-2006, 18:26
You know what is funny? That Voltaire wrote, back in the old days, "I disagree with what you say, but I would die fighting so that noone ever prevented you from saying it."

And Europe's problem is there is too socially correct for its own good. Even governments are afraid of doing their job in case they lose votes from some forgotten minority standing for free fishing in the Barents sea. Ridiculous.

Bar Kochba
02-21-2006, 18:32
In Newcastle, England, a special court sentenced a Gateshead woman to be burnt to death for witchcraft. Betty Spencer, 53, was immolated in front of a crowd that had gathered in the Newcastle United football stadium. It was the sixth such execution since the year 2000.


is this true??

Don Corleone
02-21-2006, 18:40
In Newcastle, England, a special court sentenced a Gateshead woman to be burnt to death for witchcraft. Betty Spencer, 53, was immolated in front of a crowd that had gathered in the Newcastle United football stadium. It was the sixth such execution since the year 2000.

is this true??

Uhm, Bar Kochba, this is satire. Satire, this is Bar Kochba. ~:pat:

Adrian II
02-21-2006, 18:43
In Newcastle, England, a special court sentenced a Gateshead woman to be burnt to death for witchcraft. Betty Spencer, 53, was immolated in front of a crowd that had gathered in the Newcastle United football stadium. It was the sixth such execution since the year 2000.


is this true??Sometimes I would like to just be sucked -- whoosh! -- into a parallel athiest universe, just to be rid of believers in UFO's, God, Mohammed, Santa Claus, leprechauns, the whole damned zoo.

Seamus Fermanagh
02-21-2006, 18:45
Sometimes I would like to just be sucked -- whoosh! -- into a parallel athiest universe

I didn't think travel to Sweden required any such odd conveyance.....:inquisitive:


Couldn't resist:embarassed: Bad Seamus.....

TosaInu
02-21-2006, 18:52
Dan Brown is Muslim?

SwordsMaster
02-21-2006, 18:52
Just out of curiosity, what was the Finnish mock-story referencing? Some Christian was exhumed and the authorities reburied him in a Muslim burial ceremony?

Adrian, if you really believe that American public opinion has been driven 'to the far right' by Christian extremists, when we have legalized gay marriage, condoms in grade schools, 39th week elective abortion, prohibitions against public prayer (and I could go on), you really need to come over for a visit. Your average American doesn't even know who Billy Graham is, let alone follow Christian teachings.


Well, general stupidity is nothing to be proud of either.... Don't really know what are you arguing here...

Don Corleone
02-21-2006, 18:52
Just out of curiosity, what was the Finnish mock-story referencing? Some Christian was exhumed and the authorities reburied him in a Muslim burial ceremony?

Adrian, if you really believe that American public opinion has been driven 'to the far right' by Christian extremists, when we have legalized gay marriage, condoms in grade schools, 39th week elective abortion, prohibitions against public prayer (and I could go on), you really need to come over for a visit. Your average American doesn't even know who Billy Graham is, let alone follow Christian teachings.

I know it's poor form to quote oneself, and I promise, this is not a :bump:

But in re-reading my post, I came off with a bit of a challenge in my tone. I didn't mean that. In fact, I'd like to invite Mr. Adrian, Mrs. Adrian and all the little Adrians for a week in the belly of the beast. You and yours are most welcome to come join me and mine for a week this summer. During this time, we can engage in the following terrifying events:

-We can attend a minor league baseball game.
-We can attend a church service of your choice, so long as we also get to attend one of mine, so you can see the breadth of opinion, even here in Baptist country...
-We can attend a city council meeting, a county commissioners meeting and a school board meeting (where the real politics happen)
-We can eat in a diner.
-We can attend a NASCAR race (I'm about 1 hour from Lowe's Motor Speedway, where they have the Pepsi 400).
-I'll take you shooting at my range (hunting, if you make it over in the fall).

The challenge... after 1 week engaging in all of these activities designed to indoctrinate you into the vast right wing conspiracy, you can come back here and tell the rest of the board just how alien you found the culture (or, as I suspect, not).

No kidding, you just need to pay for your own plane fare. :2thumbsup:

EDIT: Oops, I forgot, one little caveat... any material I compile during your visit is free to be used in my upcoming publication "Red-Statin & Red-Neckin for Dummies".

InsaneApache
02-21-2006, 19:01
Sometimes I would like to just be sucked -- whoosh! -- into a parallel athiest universe, just to be rid of believers in UFO's, God, Mohammed, Santa Claus, leprechauns, the whole damned zoo.

I have heard this before, Santa does exist, if you wilfully persist in this heresy I shall burgle your house when your at work and sew some rollmop herrings into your curtain hem. :laugh4:

Adrian II
02-21-2006, 19:22
I have heard this before, Santa does exist, if you wilfully persist in this heresy I shall burgle your house when your at work and sew some rollmop herrings into your curtain hem. :laugh4:Awww.. you are too kind. Rollmops are a favourite dish of mine! Just the pickle please, no onions.

Kanamori
02-21-2006, 19:27
...prohibitions against public prayer (and I could go on)

Um, where is this? If there was ever a ban against public prayer, which I highly doubt, I would even think that it would be overturned by SCOTUS...

Tachikaze
02-21-2006, 19:30
It's wonderful to live a life with no gods to defend, no idols to preserve, no doctrine to carry.

There is Tao, and it doesn't matter what people think, believe, or draw.

Don Corleone
02-21-2006, 19:32
Um, where is this? If there was ever a ban against public prayer, which I highly doubt, I would even think that it would be overturned by SCOTUS...

I feel like Cassandra from the Illiad...

I'm not going to repeat myself here. I've answered this from Goofball at least a dozen times, go back through the archives and find where I've posted links. Not only is public prayer banned at many institutions (military, schools) moments of silence where people are free to pray if they choose are frequently coming under fire.

Kanamori
02-21-2006, 19:39
That's really funny, because at my highschool people regularly held a sort of service/prayer outside by the American flag and this was in Madison. And by the way, a school is government property not public propery. Public property is outside. That's why I wonder how such an opressive measure could ever be put into law.

In Military.. truly one cannot pray to themselves if they want to, which is totally impossible to enforce, or someone cannot lead a prayer?

I've tried using the archive search to find many things, things that have only been a few pages back, and it just turns up rubbish. If you're going to make a claim, it is not my job to go out and find it or otherwise take your word for it.

Duke Malcolm
02-21-2006, 19:39
Public Prayer is banned in the United States Military? Heck, we have Chaplains in Her Majesty's Armed Forces... And Chaplains of State Schools...

Kanamori
02-21-2006, 19:40
You have a State religion too.~;)

Don Corleone
02-21-2006, 19:50
Fair enough Kanamori, but I'm going to have to call it quits for today. I'll get to it when I get to it.

I will say, as you know, it's not a universal thing... the rulings on what's allowable in a school, at a city council meeting, etc. vary widely from state to state. Amazingly, the US Senate can and frequently does begin it's sessions with a prayer led by a minister/imam/rabbi of one faith or another.

I didn't mean to imply that there is a universal ban on prayer over here. I meant to say that were this truly the Christian theocracy Adrian was suggesting, such people as Ms. Madeline Murray O'Haire would be unheard of.

InsaneApache
02-21-2006, 20:02
You have a State religion too.~;)

This is true, The last time I was admitted to hospital they gave me a consent form to sign. It asked, amongst other things, what my religion was/is. I called the Sister over and explained that I was an atheist. "That's OK", she said, just put down CoE. :laugh4:

State atheism more like. The only 'Bible bashers' I know are the 'God Squad' living next door. I actually know a lot more (practising) Moslems, mainly because of the business I'm in. I like most them as well, they make good curries and horses duvres.........:embarassed: ~:wacko:

Duke Malcolm
02-21-2006, 21:14
There are noticeably more Christians here than any other religion and non-religion (at least in Scotland or Dundee or the West End thereof, anyhoo). The majority of my year at school would no doubt claim to be Christians, and many of them go to Church (not necessarily every Sunday, however).
There is an odd heretical Church along the road called the Gate, to which an acquaintance once convinced me to go. The experience was bizarre, with a Rock band on a stage playing badly and some student saying that it was an amazing and strange and wonderful experience to discover Jesus. I left quickly before they started sacrificing goats or virgins or something... I dream to go one day on behalf of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith dressed in robes like the MTW Inquisitors and demand that the place be burned... but that's all by-the-by...

The NHS Trust which covers Perth Royal Infirmary removed for all Christian symbols from the Chapel at the Infirmary...

Husar
02-21-2006, 21:44
just to be rid of believers in [...]God
He still doesn´t like me...~:mecry:
Killing for religious issues is mostly stupid and often not even in the intended by the religion, I thought we all knew that?
If there was no religion I bet people would find other excuses to kill others.:juggle2:

A.Saturnus
02-21-2006, 21:53
Merkel: “The affront to the honour of the one true Church is in fact an affront to the worship of God, and to the seeking of truth and justice, and an affront to all the prophets of God. Obviously, all those who harm the honour of the one true Church . . .”

That's especially ironic given than Merkel isn't catholic.

Adrian II
02-21-2006, 22:09
He still doesn´t like me...~:mecry:Oh, but I do like you. And I do not think each and every religion predisposes to violence. I am just fed up with the vulgar idiocy of many religious 'issues', it seems such an affront to serious metaphysics, such waste of time to even bother with. Couldn't you guys grant us 1 day a year without your crying Maria statues, ghosts, floating buddhas, alien abductions, ascensions, miraculous healings and assorted voodoo crap? :dizzy2: ~:)

InsaneApache
02-21-2006, 22:46
*News Report*

Santas elves have declared a holy war on the heretic known as Adrian II, he shall be unknown at Crimbo and get no presents from hence. He has been a naughty boy and will either:

i)recant
ii)make restitution
iii)get his botty smacked

As it is written, so it shall be.

:book:

Husar
02-22-2006, 00:28
Oh, but I do like you. And I do not think each and every religion predisposes to violence. I am just fed up with the vulgar idiocy of many religious 'issues', it seems such an affront to serious metaphysics, such waste of time to even bother with. Couldn't you guys grant us 1 day a year without your crying Maria statues, ghosts, floating buddhas, alien abductions, ascensions, miraculous healings and assorted voodoo crap? :dizzy2: ~:)
Some Christians´ methods(as good as the intent may be) I just can´t be happy with myself. Trying to force anything on people to the point where you piss them off is not right in my opinion.
same goes for many other religions or groups, like two days a go when someone of "the church of Jesus Christ" wanted to stop me, I had no idea what this group was, but they all wore black which made them appear like a sect. I simply moved on...

Adrian II
02-22-2006, 00:54
Some Christians´ methods (as good as the intent may be) I just can´t be happy with myself.Never mind, the Red Inquisitor will be the last to crucify the smart, diligent and funny Husar.
I simply moved on...Remarkable: I would never just walk on. I would always want to know who they were, what they were up to. It comes with my job as a hack, I suppose, but I have always had this curious streak. Everything out of the ordinary has my immediate attention.

Divinus Arma
02-22-2006, 02:04
AWESOME!!!!:2thumbsup:

Thanks for posting this!

WWJD? Turn the other cheek. (but only after burning women, conquering half the world, murdering in the name of God, and promoting ignorance)

WWMD? Behead all those who say Islam is violent! (At least he's honest right from the get-go!)




Ahhh, God. He is wonderful. Unfortunately, we abandoned our lord long ago for "prophets" and "messiahs". We have all been lied to by the great oppressors: those who claim to know God better then we do ourselves.


Pity us for falling into this trap and believing that another knows God better than us or that we know God better than others.


Once the shroud has been lifted, we will all see with equal blindness. And peace may yet reign.

Soulforged
02-22-2006, 02:39
*Perplex*....I don't know what to say.

Soulforged
02-22-2006, 04:21
Ahhh, God. He is wonderful. Unfortunately, we abandoned our lord long ago for "prophets" and "messiahs". We have all been lied to by the great oppressors: those who claim to know God better then we do ourselves.I thought that we knew God through the prophets who stablished the foundings of the dogma. What is preventing God from sending more prophets? Hey perhaps a new world wide war begins just because of an insult between a religious and an atheist!!:idea2:

Divinus Arma
02-22-2006, 04:42
I thought that we knew God through the prophets who stablished the foundings of the dogma. What is preventing God from sending more prophets? Hey perhaps a new world wide war begins just because of an insult between a religious and an atheist!!:idea2:

And again. We lost God when we began to hold the beliefs of one man higher than our own.

The riddle is this: We all have an equal perception of God. That is, blindness. When we seek the Lord individually, we find him. This become tarnished when we believe that another has a more accurate perception of the Lord. This is because God has an individual relationship with each of us.

The irony in this is obvious. As I relate my perception to you, it becomes essentially worthless. And if you were to inform me that a prohpet had come before who held a better, worse, similar, or any other kind of view in comparison with mind, your attempt to relate your understanding becomes worthless.

Attempts to write rules and histories are understandable, loving, but ultimately futile. This because ultimately the individual must seek God on his or her own terms. Offering knowledge is always good, but anything more than offering is tarnished and doomed to fail and cause strife.

So, respect for prophets is wise as they can provide clarity in a troubled world. But the Lord enables all of us to be prophets and saviors. The power is within us each individually to share our own truth. The prohets are no better than us, and we no better than prophets.

The real horror is to listen to a priest, mullah, or reverend and believe that the "holy man" is closer to God than us. When this happens, we lose our individual touch and closeness with the Lord, instead worshiping the "holy man" as the middle man between us and God.

It is good to listen. It is good to speak. It is good to respect. But place the words of religious leaders above your own heart to peril.

Witness the destructive power of the Catholic Church now and through history. Witness rape and murder and savagery.

Witness the same of Islam and on equal terms.

The greatest riddle of our purpose rests within us as individuals, not as a whole. In an individual relationship with the lord, absent religious leadership, we find him and serve him.


The irony is that realting this is futile. But "prophets" spoke. And some were heard.

Reenk Roink
02-22-2006, 05:30
And don't just stop with Catholic and Islamic societies. Be sure to add Judaism, Paganism, Animism, Shamanism, Zoroastrianism, Hinduism, and even Buddhism to the mix. Oh yeah, and don't forget the rapes and deaths caused under secular societies.

It seems that whatever religion/philosophy/-ism we choose to live with, we're still the same dirty ol' bastards. I hope we just all kill each other before it's too late...

Soulforged
02-22-2006, 06:09
It seems that whatever religion/philosophy/-ism we choose to live with, we're still the same dirty ol' bastards. I hope we just all kill each other before it's too late...No need to do that. If you respect the dogma, well you might consider your option. However with a reasoning as the one of DA, it appears that though the world will be filled with people that differ on crucial principles of life, it will be a fine world to live, but for that DA we must bring down the dogma first, and that has not been done, and it gets worst when someone on the same hierarchy of some religion makes statements in favor of killing someone for disagreement.
The greatest riddle of our purpose rests within us as individuals, not as a whole. In an individual relationship with the lord, absent religious leadership, we find him and serve him.I like this view of yours DA, I think that it's overly idealistic, but I like it. "Learn from Jesus don't repeat him."

Divinus Arma
02-22-2006, 07:06
No need to do that. If you respect the dogma, well you might consider your option. However with a reasoning as the one of DA, it appears that though the world will be filled with people that differ on crucial principles of life, it will be a fine world to live, but for that DA we must bring down the dogma first, and that has not been done, and it gets worst when someone on the same hierarchy of some religion makes statements in favor of killing someone for disagreement. I like this view of yours DA, I think that it's overly idealistic, but I like it. "Learn from Jesus don't repeat him."


It's difficult. But not impossible. I agree that on the surface it seems idealistic. But all it takes is the prophet within. To effect change, we must change ourselves first. In this sense, all religions can coexist peacefully, because the relationship with God is at the individual level where it should be instead of the societal level where it gets twisted. In fact, every religion supports this. All say that God wants a personal relationship with us individually.

How dare us, even in compassion, to enforce our personal relationship onto another. We may only ever offer.


Edit: As for Jesus. That is another subject entirely. I find fault with the concept of original sin, thus a saviour is irrelevant. How can a just and loving God bring me into this world and damn me from the starting gate?

If indeed birth meant instant danger of eternal hell, then humanity would be ultimately exinct. This is because it is more loving to never have children and thus eliminate their risk of damnation.

Having a child here soon myself, I would rather never have a child then offer it once sliver of a chance that it may spend eternity in hell. Seems like quite a tradeoff: 75 yrs vs 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 and then some. Even a .0000000000000001% chance of eternal hell is too much. The proportion of risk to reward is simply not worth it.

Husar
02-22-2006, 13:30
WWJD? Turn the other cheek.
That´s correct.


(but only after burning women, conquering half the world, murdering in the name of God, and promoting ignorance)

And that´s what the Catholic Church("holy" mafia) made out of it.:oops:

Brutus
02-22-2006, 14:06
Reuters report from Berlin

“German Chancellor Angela Merkel today caused alarm in diplomatic circles when she called for the Netherlands to be ‘wiped from the face of the earth’.” She went on, “The establishment of the Dutch regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Catholic world.”

Summary of an article in French government newspaper, Le Monde

The Netherlands may have created the avian flu virus in order to damage the economies of Europe, and cleverly planted it first in the Far East to divert attention away from the real plan.
:laugh4: Finally! The're on to us now! :2thumbsup:

*Returns quickly to "important business" in the geographic centre of the Axis of Evil*

Husar
02-22-2006, 18:06
:laugh4: It´s either a wrong translation or I simply don´t believe it.:laugh4:
I´m not a fan of Merkel, but I just can´t believe she said that.:laugh4: