Someplace we don't tread often back here.... militant feminsim

[Don Corleone]

Okay, we've done abortion, religion, gun control and Iraq.... TO DEATH ~:argue: ~:argue: ~:argue: ~:argue: ~:argue: Let's try a rather meaty debate we don't get into too much here in the Backroom... militant feminism.

To those of you unfamiliar with the organization AAUW (the American Association of University Women) is an association of university feminists. I am familiar with them from when I volunteered at the Rape Crisis Center at my university (long story, PM me if you want to know why a libertarian wound up working for the women's center). Anyway, my junior year, the director of the women's center got pregnant and stepped into a role as the assistant director and hired a woman from the AAUW as the new director. Her first act of office was to point out that while myself and two other gentlemen would still be tolerated at training sessions and allowed to give rape education talks, we were no longer welcome to set foot in the women's center. No crap.

Anyways, about 10 years ago, this organization published a study that concluded that education in America was shortchanging girls and that more resources and attention needed to be paid to the education of young girls. In the decade since, numerous studies have been published that have bebunked this report. This is also the group that got caught with it's pants down with regards to a spike in domestic violence by men against women during the super bowl (turned out, they made the whole thing up).

They've now released a new study. They hired a research firm to go out and take some polling data of ~2000 university undergrads. Apparently, their own study found that the number of men feeling sexually harrassed on college campuses was at ~7%, while the amount of women was 5% (I won't use their own insipid definiton of harrassment, I prefer to use a more tangible, widely recognized one). Anyway, while I give them kudos for acknowledging this in the studies findings, they immediately slough off any negative experiences men might have had by saying "women suffer more from the harrassment then men do", something their data most assuredly DOES NOT support (as only 2% of men or women claimed to feel that the harrassment actually inhibited their studies).

Lefties, try not to cringe at the source, I pinch my nose and read your Guardian and NY Times articles... (http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/sommers200602210806.asp)

So let me ask you... should feminism be what the AAUW is clearly after, hamstringing young men and advancing young women, or should it be the definition with which Don Corleone is proud to call himself a feminst, one who advocates for the equal treatment of women in all aspects of life?

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Hey! What's wrong with National Review?

~;p

I think the reason radical feminism hasn't come up is because most of us are guys, and Prole is too smart for that stuff. :2thumbsup:

I find that kind of feminisim ridiculous, and enjoy riling up such persons when possible. I do agree that man and woman should be treated equally before law.

[Adrian II]

(..) Don Corleone is proud to call himself a feminst, one who advocates for the equal treatment of women in all aspects of life?Equal treatment before the law, at work and in public, sure. Followed by a good spanking and early bedtime.

It works. ~:)

[Don Corleone]

Equal treatment before the law, at work and in public, sure. Followed by a good spanking and early bedtime.

It works. ~:)

I'm talking about at work and stuff. Trust me, Mrs Corleone wouldn't tolerate being treated like one of the guys for 5 minutes. :hide:

[Papewaio]

a feminst, one who advocates for the equal treatment of women in all aspects of life?

Equal treatment for equal results is fair.

However in some cases extra tools are required to get equal output... stencil for writing in the snow for instance.

[Soulforged]

So let me ask you... should feminism be what the AAUW is clearly after, hamstringing young men and advancing young women, or should it be the definition with which Don Corleone is proud to call himself a feminst, one who advocates for the equal treatment of women in all aspects of life?A similar association exists here. Of course different societies might show different conclusions, and the locals might be supported, but the conclussion was the same, that women "women suffer more from the harrassment then men do", however the study wasn't limited to the scholar enviorament (and also it was related to the suffering caused by actual rape, in wich also it was worst for women, so they proposed an increase on the maximum penalty for rape commited against a female). This tesis isn't important but before such situation the primary rule is clear, equality before the law is correct, otherwise such privileges will generate a similar response from other parts of society, wich are supposedly mistreated over the basis of empirical studies, when a norm is supposed to be general and to tell what "is right or should be", not what "is". However I think that this kind of associations are needed in a society today, despite all their lies and their tendency to pull an agenda they can sometimes function as a pressure group, and if there's anything wrong behind their allegations it's quite "easy" to argue over an stadistic.

[Quietus]

The only Militant Feminism I'm aware of is Celine Dion.... :skull: :laugh4:

[Proletariat]

Equal treatment for equal results is fair.


I've heard many a rumor that the main reason why the US Military went from the Colt .45 to the .9mm Beretta as the primary sidearm was because women were garbage with the former. I doubt it's what you meant, but equal results can take a hike.

Reminds me of everytime they adjust the SAT questions when they realize one sex or the other is getting better scores. Who knew we were biologically different?? :dizzy2:

[Papewaio]

My statement is that if you dig a ditch 1km long you should be payed the same regardless of sex.

If a guy digs a ditch 500m long and the gal 1000m long, then the gal should be payed twice as much.

Your performance determines your pay check, not your race, creed or sex.

Equal pay for equal outcome.

[Proletariat]

My statement is that if you dig a ditch 1km long you should be payed the same regardless of sex.

Figured we'd be on the same page with this topic.

:bow:

[Strike For The South]

Girls have cooties and THEY CAN KILL YOU

[Big_John]

it's all about the giant cave.

[Proletariat]

How vulgar!

:hits the fainting couch:

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:1vt4vVb4_6kEFM:http://julia.hanovercomputer.com/americana/nov00/pics/ot/Fainting%2520couch.jpg

[Reenk Roink]

Your performance determines your pay check, not your race, creed or sex.

Equal pay for equal outcome.

This is going to be even more vulgar but...

So you'd pay a male hooker more than a female one for the same service and outcome?

*avoids ban sticks*

[Don Corleone]

it's all about the giant cave.

You sir, are a scoundrel of the first order, and I hereby challenge you to a duel at 15 paces, to protect Ms. Proletariat's honor....

On second thought, maybe you're right. :idea2:

Maybe it IS all about: https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/tharris00/georgi2.gif

God bless Ms. Georgia O'Keefe, and her ability to convey.... meaning.

[Proletariat]

I wish I hadn't wasted the word 'vulgar' in this thread before I had seen that salaciously filthy picture. How erm.. prurient!

http://www.gindersantiques.com/Antiques/j1450victorianfaintingsofa.JPG

[Papewaio]

This is going to be even more vulgar but...

So you'd pay a male hooker more than a female one for the same service and outcome?

*avoids ban sticks*

There was a high roller in Vegas who was getting bored. So he asked a couple of mates what he could do for kicks. One of them suggested going to a particular hooker for the best handjob in the world, the catch is that she costs $1000 for a handjob.

So he meets the hooker, takes her to a hotel room and she proceeds to work her magic. He is in bliss, he hasn’t felt this good before. Afterwards he asks her what she does with all the money. And she replies “See that mansion over there. That is what my handjobs payed for.”

He asks her what it would cost for a headjob. She replies $5000. He thinks about it and then decides what the hell. This time it is absolutely fantastic. His knees are weak and he feels spent. He asks her “I suppose that helped you pay for that mansion as well.”

“Hell no honey” she replied in a husky voice “It paid for my down payment on that shopping mall” as she points out of the hotel window.

He asks “So what do you own from guys having sex with you then?”

She replied in a sultry and husky voice “I would own the entire downtown if only I had a pussy.”

[Big_John]

best thread ever.


https://img50.imageshack.us/img50/7407/7helme6kz.jpg

[Reenk Roink]

There was a high roller in Vegas who was getting bored. So he asked a couple of mates what he could do for kicks. One of them suggested going to a particular hooker for the best handjob in the world, the catch is that she costs $1000 for a handjob.

So he meets the hooker, takes her to a hotel room and she proceeds to work her magic. He is in bliss, he hasn’t felt this good before. Afterwards he asks her what she does with all the money. And she replies “See that mansion over there. That is what my handjobs payed for.”

He asks her what it would cost for a headjob. She replies $5000. He thinks about it and then decides what the hell. This time it is absolutely fantastic. His knees are weak and he feels spent. He asks her “I suppose that helped you pay for that mansion as well.”

“Hell no honey” she replied in a husky voice “It paid for my down payment on that shopping mall” as she points out of the hotel window.

He asks “So what do you own from guys having sex with your then?”

She replied in a sultry and husky voice “I would own the entire downtown if only I had a pussy.”

I guess all I can say is that it's "blowjob" ...

[Big_John]

I guess all I can say is that it's "blowjob" ...i think he's australian.. so cut him some slack. they don't have prostitutes there.



or giant caves.

[Reenk Roink]

i think he's australian.. so cut him some slack. they don't have prostitutes there.



or giant caves.

Oh...

Truly sorry mate. :shame:

You are missing out a lot.

[Adrian II]

Oh...

Truly sorry mate. :shame:

You are missing out a lot.Hmm, while you guys were talking about it last night, I was actually... never mind.
:juggle2: :laugh4:

[Big_John]

spelunking?

[Samurai Waki]

too much lately... haven't had much time to post anymore:laugh4:

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

WRENCHING, the thread back on topic:

I have a problem with femenism in general because it seems to want women to be treated equally, and then given special treatment.

Example: Women are allowed an easier assault course and do easier pressups in the army.

as far as I'm concerned men and women should be treated equitably, acknowledging the differences between them and the femenists should be told to hop it.

If a woman wants to do a "man's" job then she has to do it to exactly the same standard, in the same time etc.

I'm also not a fan of maternity leave.

[Sjakihata]

I think it is important to realize or re-realize that man and woman actually are different... wow, breaking news.

All this equal BS sucks and has no place in reality.

[Adrian II]

spelunking?Picking leaves, yeah.. :coffeenews:

[rory_20_uk]

Well, as far as I see it there are two choices:

Men and women are different: different rules, the two can not be accurately compared.

Men and women are the same: results are factored, not gender. Yes, women earn less, but generally that's because they take years off for children - which is their choice. Whilst they are doing that men are climbing the greasy pole. Even when the come back they are relearning, whilst the men are ploughing ahead, loosing even more time to the men.

As has been said, the enemby doesn't fight less hard if they are fighting women: the SAS can't be given easier missions as they've got a woman along.

But areas where women are better, they should be paid more for being so, as is often the case in Psychology and Paediactrics where there are a greater proportion of women.

Feminists have deep rooted problems that they are refusing to deal with, and so furn their anger outwards rather than inwards.

~:smoking:

[Adrian II]

As has been said, the enemy doesn't fight less hard if they are fighting women: the SAS can't be given easier missions as they've got a woman along.That seems unfair. The SAS or any other military unit would be given easier missions if and when they had sub-standard male soldiers along. History is replete with armies or units filling their ranks with recruits of dubious prowess simply because they had no other choice. I fail to see why the line would suddenly be drawn for females. A woman should only be excluded from a unit if and when all available males are better than she is. After all, result is what counts on the battlefield.

[Big_John]

i liked this thread better when it was about gaping cave-holes.

[Adrian II]

i liked this thread better when it was about gaping cave-holes.Drop your knickers, Sir John. It's lunch time. :mellow:

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

That seems unfair. The SAS or any other military unit would be given easier missions if and when they had sub-standard male soldiers along. History is replete with armies or units filling their ranks with recruits of dubious prowess simply because they had no other choice. I fail to see why the line would suddenly be drawn for females. A woman should only be excluded from a unit if and when all available males are better than she is. After all, result is what counts on the battlefield.

That is inacurate, if the SAS lowered its standards for women then the regiment would suffer critically, so that is NEVER going to happen. The other option is to just open the doors and let women try out, in which case they would all fail.

So far they have let one woman into the RMs and it took her three goes, I'm not even sure men are allowed that many and I'm fairly sure she was tested on a double standard. I'm also not aware of any female fighter pilots in the RAF, IIRC they can't hadle close combat.

[Devastatin Dave]

i liked this thread better when it was about gaping cave-holes.
I could introduce you to my ex.:laugh4:

[Reenk Roink]

i liked this thread better when it was about gaping cave-holes.

And blowjobs...

[rory_20_uk]

:thinking2: :idea2: :focus:

~:smoking:

[Reenk Roink]

:thinking2: :idea2: :focus:

~:smoking:

Very well, like Sjakihata said, there are fundamental differences between both sexes. Still, a different, but all-in-all equal policy should be implemented (simply my conjecture, though when I rule the globe, my word is law...:brood:).

But one thing both sexes need, is a deeper understand of each other, and that can only come about through frequent contact.

I for one, would like to get in touch with my feminine (in)side(s).

[Hurin_Rules]

I read this pretty funny, satirical pamphlet once. It had a headline that read, "Entire Universe Destroyed!"

The byline read, "Feminisist Say Women Affected Most."

Anyway, I consider myself a feminist and belong to a couple of feminist associations, but it is quite clear that the problem with our educational system now is not with how it deals with girls, but rather with boys. Take a look at the ratios of males to females in undergrad. At many institutions, including mine, it is close to a 60:40 ratio of women to men. That's a massive skew, considering the population as a whole is pretty close to 50:50.

[Ronin]

as a general rule on any subject I just take militant as meaning "moronic"....


that is all that needs to be said on the subject.

[Reenk Roink]

:bump:

I refuse to watch this flower thread wither away...

[Big_John]

:bump:

I refuse to watch this flower thread wither away...well, if it means anything.. i think i've found THE giant cave, "La Cueva del Fantasma" in venezuela. the shape is pretty good, and the thing is HUGE (see the little helicopters at the bottom?). i will make a pilgrimage to the giant cave at least once before i die.

https://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y9/dem0819/060213_new_cave_02.jpg

[Ianofsmeg16]

...militant feminism....
That there, is the scariest thing i've heard ever :help:

[Adrian II]

.. the shape is pretty good, and the thing is HUGE .. I will make a pilgrimage ..Is there no end to this man's cavitatious cavorting? Sister Condolence, get me some wet blankets and bring my battery with the twin electrodes. https://img160.imageshack.us/img160/6150/sunglassescool5oz.gif (https://imageshack.us)

[Big_John]

Sister Condolence, get me some wet blankets and bring my battery with the twin electrodes. https://img160.imageshack.us/img160/6150/sunglassescool5oz.gif (https://imageshack.us)bring 'em to the cave my friend.

[Reenk Roink]

well, if it means anything.. i think i've found THE giant cave, "La Cueva del Fantasma" in venezuela. the shape is pretty good, and the thing is HUGE (see the little helicopters at the bottom?). i will make a pilgrimage to the giant cave at least once before i die.

https://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y9/dem0819/060213_new_cave_02.jpg


That is absolutely beautiful (actually a small bit of seriousness to that too)...

The shape of it...:mellow:

And it leads to bliss...

And the abundant bushes...

Quite moist too, but I think I should stop there...

[Big_John]

That is absolutely beautiful (actually a small bit of seriousness to that too)...

The shape of it...:mellow:

And it leads to bliss...

And the abundant bushes...

Quite moist too, but I think I should stop there...well, i should note that it's also full of poison dart frogs. :blank2:

[Reenk Roink]

well, i should note that it's also full of poison dart frogs. :blank2:

There are always risks involved when entering caves...

[Incongruous]

I think you two should be rated R18.

[Reenk Roink]

I think you two should be rated R18.

Stop being so PC... :tongue2: