F R E A K teaching children [Archive]

BigTex

02-28-2006, 18:57

http://www.modbee.com/24hour/nation/...11920556c.html
Well isn't this nice. There is no way that this can be seen as contructed for kids. Children at such a young age should not be taught by the mentally ill. Sickening....
Not only are the homos trying to recruit at earlier age now the gender comfused have a foothold in the public schools. Thank God my kids will be going to private school.

I don't see a single mention of her being mentally ill. As for her teaching your children maybe she'll teach them to be a bit more tollerant to new idea's, and different people, maybe they wont overreact and lynch the first gay person they see. Seriously there's nothing wrong with it, children are quite accepting and wont realize anything is wrong with her. Really and there's nothing wrong with this in the first place unless you believe religion and state shouldnt be seperated.

discovery1

02-28-2006, 19:00

Calvert School out of Baltamore is an excelent program if you do home school.

On topic, odd. It's ok if he doesn't go on on how great having a sex change is. Probably should mention that sex changes are only a good idea if you have sever issues.

Love how she says 'democracy in action' was 'magnificent'. She would be moaning and complaining if it were the other way, probably.

Goofball

02-28-2006, 19:15

http://www.modbee.com/24hour/nation/story/3204189p-11920556c.html
Well isn't this nice. There is no way that this can be seen as contructed for kids. Children at such a young age should not be taught by the mentally ill. Sickening....
Not only are the homos trying to recruit at earlier age now the gender comfused have a foothold in the public schools. Thank God my kids will be going to private school.

I find it genuinely amusing how much this bugs you.

:laugh4:

Another thing that tickled my funny bone about this story was this:

Vincent Mustacchio predicted "chaos" at the school when the students learned of McBeth's surgery.

If I had that guy's name (not to mention his out of whack view of the world), I'd never be able to introduce myself to anybody with a straight face.

Duke Malcolm

02-28-2006, 19:24

I don't see anything wrong as long as the teacher does not indoctrinate the children for her/his cause. By taking the job, however, s/he is putting him/herself up for whatever stick the pupils may give. The same goes for Gay people -- there are several gay teachers (it is up to the pupils to figure out who, though, no-one tells us) at my school. So long as they are not camp and too effeminate, then it is fine.

Tachikaze

02-28-2006, 19:32

"Despite criticism from parents, the school board on Monday stood by its decision to allow McBeth to resume working as a substitute teacher." (from the article)

Good for the school board! Occasionally, I see hope for the US.

I'd rather the children were taught tolerance and broad perspective than to have a parent teach them to call homosexuals "homos" and transsexuals "freaks".

solypsist

02-28-2006, 19:33

in before teh requisite YTMND links.

Tribesman

02-28-2006, 19:47

This is disgusting , 71 years old and still working .
Must have blown the pension fund on the operation .

I find it genuinely amusing how much this bugs you.

Well Goof if you look at this bit.....Not only are the homos trying to recruit at earlier age
I never knew they were recruited , does this mean Dave signed up for the wrong outfit by mistake when he joined the airforce ?
You know what they say about those that shout loudest against things .~;)

Thank God my kids will be going to private school.
Have you considered sending them to military school , I believe the Airbourne are offering special video production studies in their new curriculum .:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
I wonder who "recruited" their latest film stars .:director: :cheerleader:

Kralizec

02-28-2006, 21:34

I for one would hate if I'd have to explain to my kids that because some people can't accept the way they were born, they have doctors cut off their johnson and their bodies mutilated to make them look female.
But I guess that I'm just a bigoted primitive, and that it's a good thing to let in our kids on the full spectrum of colorfull minds that we tolerate in our societies :inquisitive:

I don't mind homosexual people, they can teach kids as far as I'm concerned (and explaining homosexuality should have a proper place in sex ed, once they're old enough)
As far as I'm concerned gender changes are unnatural (and I challenge you to argue against that!) and frankly, an obscenity. If people want to mutilate themselves, to each his own I guess but I don't want them near my children at an early age.

Reverend Joe

02-28-2006, 21:46

You know what they say about those that shout loudest against things .~;)
:laugh4: ~:thumb:

And before I say anything else: this man has just as much right to teach as anyone else. Personally, I think there are much bigger "freaks" out there, pedophiles for example.

Now that that's out of the way: sex changes in general freak me out. I mean, I will be tolerant of them, but of all the things you can do to yourself...

Goofball

02-28-2006, 22:14

I for one would hate if I'd have to explain to my kids that because some people can't accept the way they were born, they have doctors cut off their johnson and their bodies mutilated to make them look female.

Why would you hate to have to explain that?

But I guess that I'm just a bigoted primitive, and that it's a good thing to let in our kids on the full spectrum of colorfull minds that we tolerate in our societies :inquisitive:

I wouldn't say you're a bigoted primitive. You're just a normal human being who has normal aversions to things that society has always told you are "gross" or "freaky." But by keeping an open mind to things/people/ideas that differ from our views of the "norm" and by applying critical thinking to our own prejudices, we can often overcome our pre-programmed responses and live richer lives.

I don't mind homosexual people, they can teach kids as far as I'm concerned (and explaining homosexuality should have a proper place in sex ed, once they're old enough)

And I'm happy to hear you say that, as it confirms to me that you are willing to engage in the process I described above.

As far as I'm concerned gender changes are unnatural (and I challenge you to argue against that!) and frankly, an obscenity.

Of course gender changes are "unnatural." But that word really means nothing. Any medical modifications we do to our bodies are "unnatural." Here are some other things:

Organ transplants
Vasectomies
Hip replacements
Cosmetic surgery

Are all of those things "obscenities" as well?

If people want to mutilate themselves, to each his own I guess but I don't want them near my children at an early age.

Is it the mutilation you have a problem with generally, or is it specifically the mutilation of penises/vaginas that in your view disqualifies a person from teaching school?

Xiahou

02-28-2006, 22:19

I for one would hate if I'd have to explain to my kids that because some people can't accept the way they were born, they have doctors cut off their johnson and their bodies mutilated to make them look female.
But I guess that I'm just a bigoted primitive, and that it's a good thing to let in our kids on the full spectrum of colorfull minds that we tolerate in our societies :inquisitive:I hear ya. Personally, I'd say you're mental if you were born as one sex and then decide one day you'd rather be another. These people should be counseled, not operated on. People need to accept themselves for who they are and be comfortable with that. That's just my 2 cents.

"It was magnificent," McBeth said afterward. "You saw democracy in action."Yeah right, more like strongarm lawyer tactics in action. :wink:

ajaxfetish

02-28-2006, 22:19

Well, I suppose I can support the school board allowing shim to continue teaching, as long as they don't *gasp* allow shim to fill those impressionable children's heads with stories of evolution! ~;)

I'm actually not sure how to feel about this one, personally, and so I'm kind of glad that it's someone else's problem. Anyhow, I think Kansas has a little something to learn from the schoolboards in Pennsylvania/New Jersey.

Ajax

A.Saturnus

02-28-2006, 22:32

I for one would hate if I'd have to explain to my kids that because some people can't accept the way they were born, they have doctors cut off their johnson and their bodies mutilated to make them look female.

You could explain them instead that some people have a rare disease with the name gender dysphoria for which the only cure is a sex change.

I don't mind homosexual people, they can teach kids as far as I'm concerned (and explaining homosexuality should have a proper place in sex ed, once they're old enough)
As far as I'm concerned gender changes are unnatural (and I challenge you to argue against that!) and frankly, an obscenity. If people want to mutilate themselves, to each his own I guess but I don't want them near my children at an early age.

All surgical operations are unnatural. Unfortunately (especially for the involved) they are often the only way to treat diseases. Gender dysphoria is such a case.
And please explain me what this has to do with homosexuals?

Now that that's out of the way: sex changes in general freak me out. I mean, I will be tolerant of them, but of all the things you can do to yourself...

If you had a third leg, wouldn't you want it to be cut off? If you would wake up tomorrow with your body being female, wouldn't you want to have your male parts back?
This person has felt female her whole life. Just her body was awfully wrong.

Children at such a young age should not be taught by the mentally ill.

Just a question, Dave would you have been fine if she hadn't had a sex change (and thus remaining mentally ill) instead of getting herself cured? Are we to keep mentally ill people out of the range of young children for their entire life (independent of treatment)? Considered that up to 30% of people will develope a mental illness at least once in their life, that would make a fine society. And what precisely is the danger anyway? That she will encourage children to be unhappy with their biological sex?
Nice way to speak about mentally ill people BTW. Can we expect your next thread about a member of an ethnic minority to include any funny names as well?

Viking

02-28-2006, 22:33

As long as he do what he`s supposed to do, then there is, of course no problems with this.

Strike For The South

02-28-2006, 22:35

does this remind anyone else of South Park?

Goofball

02-28-2006, 22:42

does this remind anyone else of South Park?

And Chef would be the one to explain the situation to the children. He could start by singing them a song about a time he was "making sweet, sweet love to his woman."

:laugh4:

Kanamori

02-28-2006, 22:42

does this remind anyone else of South Park?

Finally, my feeling about the issue has been described with words.

A.Saturnus

02-28-2006, 22:45

I hear ya. Personally, I'd say you're mental if you were born as one sex and then decide one day you'd rather be another. These people should be counseled, not operated on. People need to accept themselves for who they are and be comfortable with that. That's just my 2 cents.

It's called mentally ill, not "mental". And counseling them has been tried for decades, it doesn't work. Or more precisely, all gender dysphoric are required to get counseling before a sex change is allowed. It has to be assessed that counseling does not improve their condition. If it does, they are not diagnosed as gender dysphoric. That this person got a sex change implies that a team of health care professionals agreed that it is necessary.

And by the way, no one "decides one day" that you want another sex. All gender dysphoric people have a history of distress with their bodies from early childhood. It isn't a disease you get overnight but something that haunts you your entire life, unless you get treatment, and that includes sex change.

Goofball

02-28-2006, 23:00

It's called mentally ill, not "mental". And counseling them has been tried for decades, it doesn't work. Or more precisely, all gender dysphoric are required to get counseling before a sex change is allowed. It has to be assessed that counseling does not improve their condition. If it does, they are not diagnosed as gender dysphoric. That this person got a sex change implies that a team of health care professionals agreed that it is necessary.

And by the way, no one "decides one day" that you want another sex. All gender dysphoric people have a history of distress with their bodies from early childhood. It isn't a disease you get overnight but something that haunts you your entire life, unless you get treatment, and that includes sex change.

*assumes indulgent/condescending tone*

Oh, A. Saturnus, A. Saturnus, A. Saturnus...

You're missing the whole point.

The point is that people who are in any way sexually different from the mainstream are icky, and worthy of nothing but scorn.

The sooner you get that through your head, the easier things will be for you in the Backroom.

*pats A. Saturnus on the head good-naturedly*

Now, take your crazy little ideas outside and play with the other liberals. You little scamp you...

Strike For The South

03-01-2006, 00:03

I have an idea why not say in the name of equaling the genders each semester will be devoted to one of the sexes. i mean the kids are little when I was that age a bear couldve tuaght me and I wouldntve cared.

Proletariat

03-01-2006, 00:15

You could explain them instead that some people have a rare disease with the name gender dysphoria for which the only cure is a sex change.

I'd like to add to this because I find this misleading unless you also touch on the other myriad of quite arbitrary DSM IV labels that are almost always slapped on these folks as well. Saying this operation is a cure for gender dysphoria is akin to saying a bandage is a cure for a severed limb.

I've never heard of a patient who's only diagnosis was gender dysphoria and became perfectly mentally healthy after their operation. Just because these patients just about never regret their operation, doesn't mean it's a cut and dry 'cure.'

lars573

03-01-2006, 00:20

I for one would hate if I'd have to explain to my kids that because some people can't accept the way they were born, they have doctors cut off their johnson and their bodies mutilated to make them look female.
That is a myth about the male to female sex change. The only part of the male genetals that are out right removed in a sex change is the testicles. The penis is inverted to form the new vagina.

:focus:

:weirdthread:

Kanamori

03-01-2006, 00:28

Weird stuff... it was posted by dave.:laugh4:

At least it is something that I could only read here.

Major Robert Dump

03-01-2006, 00:32

The real question is if I had sex with "Lily" would that make me gay?

Redleg

03-01-2006, 00:36

The real question is if I had sex with "Lily" would that make me gay?

Don't know for sure - but it would make "Lily" a cradle robber since the stated age of Lily was 71.

Or it could just mean yor just freaky for the older crowd. :laugh4:

Papewaio

03-01-2006, 02:02

Just remember Major be a gentleman... flowers and chocolates afterwards...

====EDIT====

I would prefer anyone with a history of severe mental illness not to be in charge of children or as a role model.

Xiahou

03-01-2006, 03:47

And by the way, no one "decides one day" that you want another sex. All gender dysphoric people have a history of distress with their bodies from early childhood. It isn't a disease you get overnight but something that haunts you your entire life, unless you get treatment, and that includes sex change.
Pretty sure that's not true- there have been cases of "feelings" not developing until puberty or even into adulthood, which is probably the case with this man since he didnt get the procedure until 71.

I've never heard of a patient who's only diagnosis was gender dysphoria and became perfectly mentally healthy after their operation. Just because these patients just about never regret their operation, doesn't mean it's a cut and dry 'cure.'I'd say it's no cure at all- it's indulging in their disorder, not fixing it. If I became convinced that I was a Hobbit, would I be cured if you shortened my legs? :dizzy2:

Alexander the Pretty Good

03-01-2006, 03:51

And put hair on your feet.

Come to think about it, being a Hobbit would be pretty awesome. :idea2:

hellenes

03-01-2006, 03:55

Papewaio

03-01-2006, 04:18

Alexander the Pretty Good

03-01-2006, 04:29

Pape - is liposuction a "legitimate medical procedure" worthy of being paid for "out of the public purse"?

Sasaki Kojiro

03-01-2006, 04:30

For all the "publicly" "tolerant" actors...
I wish your male child becomes homosexual and does a sex change at the age of 30 after having 2 kids with his/her wife.
Then you might take off the "politically correct" mask...

Hellenes

Who are you talking to?

Homosexuality is separate from transgender. And if my son felt that way I should hope I would raise him to decide things for himself before getting married.

I see a huge difference between being homosexual and having a gender change.

For me gender change is similar to being ashamed of who you are... like Michael Jackson wanting to be white, or racists who hate their ethnic background...

Why would guys be ashamed of being guys or girls ashamed of being girls?

The transgender (as opposed to crossdressing) people I've known were not ashamed of anything. They just felt that their inner gender was different from what their body showed. And their personality was definitely masculine even though their bodies were feminine.

I find it bizarre that people are weirded out by this. But then I guess we are conditioned from childhood to separate boys and girls quite firmly.

Devastatin Dave

03-01-2006, 04:31

I never knew they were recruited
Well they can't exactly breed ya know. When sperm and fecal matter or saliva combines, a baby it does not make. They have to recruit.

GoreBag

03-01-2006, 04:36

The real question is if I had sex with "Lily" would that make me gay?

Does having had sex with another mang make you gay?

Devastatin Dave

03-01-2006, 04:37

Can we expect your next thread about a member of an ethnic minority to include any funny names as well?
Oh, get bent with your moral high ground and your bull **** attempt to paint this as anywhere close to me being a racist. :juggle2:

Strike For The South

03-01-2006, 04:40

Does having had sex with another mang make you gay?

only on tuesday

Devastatin Dave

03-01-2006, 04:41

lars573

03-01-2006, 04:43

Well they can't exactly breed ya know. When sperm and fecal matter or saliva combines, a baby it does not make. They have to recruit.
Downs syndrom, Autisim, Homosexuality. All these things you are born with. They are birth defects. They don't need to pass on their genes for more of them to be born.

Divinus Arma

03-01-2006, 04:58

Homsexual men, transgender men, whatever. Six of one etc. as they say...

You don't have to chop off your schlong to prove your freak. Just the process of anal delight is enough. Bleh.

I know, I know. Not productive at all. I'm being a troglodyte/troller. Waiting to pounce on the first liberal that defends butt pleasure.

But in all seriousness, this is pretty sick. He should have at least taught at a new school. Ladyboy looks like a dude, no matter how much of his twang gets diced up and tossed out with the salad.

And before I say anything else: this man has just as much right to teach as anyone else. Personally, I think there are much bigger "freaks" out there, pedophiles for example.

What about my right as a parent to not expose my children to an individual with dangerous masochistic mental disorders? What about my right as a parent to not force my 8 year old son to learn about gender confusion when they have enought to worry about? "Oh Johnny. It's okay, you can grow up to be a woman too if you want. All you have to do is chop off your penis".

He could give his appendage to this (http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=263628&area=/insight/insight__body_language/) guy. GAH GAH GAH GAH GAH GAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't see a single mention of her being mentally ill. As for her teaching your children maybe she'll teach them to be a bit more tollerant to new idea's, and different people, maybe they wont overreact and lynch the first gay person they see. Seriously there's nothing wrong with it, children are quite accepting and wont realize anything is wrong with her. Really and there's nothing wrong with this in the first place unless you believe religion and state shouldnt be seperated.

And you call yourself a Texan. You must be from Austin, the only liberal refuge in the whole state.

But seriously. Not mentally ill?

Look at it this way. The dude hired somebody to chop off his cock&balls, then dig a hole and call it a vagina. He also stuffed a couple of bags of water into his hairy manly chest and called 'em tits. Then he lasered off all his body hair and wears a wig. And all of this self-mutilation so he could pretend that he was a woman.

Sounds like a frickin psychopath to me!!!!

Just look at this freak1!!!!!113!4176!8432167432690!oneseven!one!

https://img164.imageshack.us/img164/5047/treehugger0ib.png (https://imageshack.us)

GoreBag

03-01-2006, 05:04

only on tuesday

Noted.

Samurai Waki

03-01-2006, 05:33

I would rather send my child to a man who had a sex change than too a man who had an operation giving him six penises.... :idea2:

Tribesman

03-01-2006, 09:22

Originally Posted by Tribesman

And before I say anything else: this man has just as much right to teach as anyone else. Personally, I think there are much bigger "freaks" out there, pedophiles for example.
Wow Divinus when did I write that , I thought I wrote about a member who may have confused sexuality issues ....oh and the paratroopers making gay porn movies .
I wonder who "recruited" them ?:laugh4:
They have to be "recruited" you know , so that does leave the question , how was the first homosexual or sex change person "recruited" ?

Fragony

03-01-2006, 10:26

No way in hell I would let that thing come close to my kids. I wouldn't mind them having a homosexual teacher but this pile of insanity, no.

econ21

03-01-2006, 11:44

People who object to a person with a sex change teaching are guilty of prejudice, pure and simple. Sex changes are rare, but I've admired the writing of at least two people who I have subsequently learnt had sex changes - Jan Morris (the travel writer) and Deirdre McCloskey (the economist). I am sure some people with sex changes could be inspirational teachers - it would be a privilege to have been taught English by someone like Morris or Economics by someone like McCloskey.

Fragony

03-01-2006, 11:51

People who object to a person with a sex change teaching are guilty of prejudice, pure and simple.

Maybe they just think that a man that thinks he is really a woman is a tad odd, and may be a bit to unbalanced as an individual to work as a schoolteacher? Nono, I am not crazy I am an airplane!

doc_bean

03-01-2006, 13:48

Maybe they just think that a man that thinks he is really a woman is a tad odd, and may be a bit to unbalanced as an individual to work as a schoolteacher?

That's my view on some religious people...

Devastatin Dave

03-01-2006, 14:18

That's my view on some religious people...
We all have our biases. I just happen to be biased against people that get their penis cut up, tucked into an artificial hole, and think that democracy means to live out your perversions in front of little children that should be learning nusery rymes and math but intead get an education and you have a bias against people that believe in a higher power.:juggle2:

Reverend Joe

03-01-2006, 16:51

Originally Posted by Tribesman

And before I say anything else: this man has just as much right to teach as anyone else. Personally, I think there are much bigger "freaks" out there, pedophiles for example.

What about my right as a parent to not expose my children to an individual with dangerous masochistic mental disorders? What about my right as a parent to not force my 8 year old son to learn about gender confusion when they have enought to worry about? "Oh Johnny. It's okay, you can grow up to be a woman too if you want. All you have to do is chop off your penis".
I said that! Divinus, you damned liar! ~:joker:

And when I say "tolerate", I meant just that: "tolerate." I don't mean "openly accept and embrace." If this wierd ****er starts teaching explicit material to children, such as what exactly a sex change is, boot the bastard out- no sexuality of any kind has any place in elementary school. What I meant is that as long as he sticks to the cirriculum, and doesn't start bringing up his sex change, what's the problem? He will just be the ugliest goddamn lady in the entire scool.

doc_bean

03-01-2006, 19:05

We all have our biases. I just happen to be biased against people that get their penis cut up, tucked into an artificial hole, and think that democracy means to live out your perversions in front of little children that should be learning nusery rymes and math but intead get an education and you have a bias against people that believe in a higher power.:juggle2:

Hey, more people have gotten killed, tortured, maimed, oppressed, raped, etc. by people believing in a higher power than by people who cut off their testicles. :2thumbsup:

I had an extremely religious teacher in fifth grade that tried to indoctrinate us all (and it worked on me, to a certain degree, for a pretty long time), so I'm biased based on experience :knight:

Taffy_is_a_Taff

03-01-2006, 19:30

when the hell did Jan Morris die?

BigTex

03-01-2006, 19:49

Come on they have 30+ years of teaching expierence and in my opinion that alone should be enough to have them come back to teach there. Personally i'd rather have someone with 30 years of teaching background teaching children. Then say a teacher fresh out of college with none at all.

And you call yourself a Texan. You must be from Austin, the only liberal refuge in the whole state.
Bless your heart

Viking

03-01-2006, 20:14

Homsexual men, transgender men, whatever. Six of one etc. as they say...

You don't have to chop off your schlong to prove your freak. Just the process of anal delight is enough. Bleh.

I know, I know. Not productive at all. I'm being a troglodyte/troller. Waiting to pounce on the first liberal that defends butt pleasure.

But in all seriousness, this is pretty sick. He should have at least taught at a new school. Ladyboy looks like a dude, no matter how much of his twang gets diced up and tossed out with the salad.

What about my right as a parent to not expose my children to an individual with dangerous masochistic mental disorders? What about my right as a parent to not force my 8 year old son to learn about gender confusion when they have enought to worry about? "Oh Johnny. It's okay, you can grow up to be a woman too if you want. All you have to do is chop off your penis".

He could give his appendage to this (http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=263628&area=/insight/insight__body_language/) guy. GAH GAH GAH GAH GAH GAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And you call yourself a Texan. You must be from Austin, the only liberal refuge in the whole state.

But seriously. Not mentally ill?

Look at it this way. The dude hired somebody to chop off his cock&balls, then dig a hole and call it a vagina. He also stuffed a couple of bags of water into his hairy manly chest and called 'em tits. Then he lasered off all his body hair and wears a wig. And all of this self-mutilation so he could pretend that he was a woman.

Sounds like a frickin psychopath to me!!!!

Just look at this freak1!!!!!113!4176!8432167432690!oneseven!one!

https://img164.imageshack.us/img164/5047/treehugger0ib.png (https://imageshack.us)

Divinus, have you ever considered that he might have been born into the wrong body?

Upxl

03-01-2006, 20:41

Personally I wouldn’t mind hem/here teaching the younger generation.
Keep in mind though that teaching the younger ones is an stressful and demanding thing to do.
And I can’t help wondering about the mental stability like the person in question has.

Undergoing a sex change isn’t the same thing as having a nose job or an organ transplant.
It isn’t something you do lightly.
So how mentally stable is this person?

I don’t mind the fact that hem/her had a sex change, but the question of the mental strength.
Though it teaches the kids directly or indirectly to be more tolerant and open minded (which is obviously a big plus),what’s really going on inside that persons head?

Ps: I wouldn’t call her a freak, just a little bit confused. ~;)

Devastatin Dave

03-01-2006, 20:47

Divinus, have you ever considered that he might have been born into the wrong body?
Oh brother....:wall:

Vladimir

03-01-2006, 20:55

Oh brother....:wall:

What's wrong with his comment? I consider myself a lesbian trapped in a man's body. ~;p

econ21

03-01-2006, 20:58

when the hell did Jan Morris die?

Sorry, my mistake. She's alive, AFAIK. I don't know where that came from - I just assumed.

After I posted I did a google search to try to find an example of her excellent writing and realised my assumption was probably a mistake, but forgot to correct it. She did cancel a trip to NZ this February due to ill-health.

Taffy_is_a_Taff

03-01-2006, 21:13

Sorry, my mistake. She's alive, AFAIK. I don't know where that came from - I just assumed.

After I posted I did a google search to try to find an example of her excellent writing and realised my assumption was probably a mistake, but forgot to correct it. She did cancel a trip to NZ this February due to ill-health.

You had me worried there.

Kralizec

03-01-2006, 21:31

Born in the wrong body? Are you saying that God or someone equally high up made a little mistake, and put a female mind in a male body? That it's in fact, a perfectly sane female mind trapped in a male body? It's a friggin mental disorder, and while I don't mean to marginalise their ordeals and do feel sorry for them, they're not normal.

If administering hormones or even mutilating their genitals is the only viable treatment, I'm not going to stop them (and it's none of my business anyway)

But I am not letting them near my kids while they're still in elementary school. Does miss Garrison make a good rolemodel for little children? Kids are more impressionable then some of you think, and if we let them be tought by transexuals, they'll start thinking of it as normal. They're vastly abnormal, and transgender treatment should be an extraordinary measure when everything else has failed.

At this point I expect you to tell me "but if the surgery is really good the kids don't need to know!"
Aside from the fact that this is not the case in the article, I don't think you can garantue kids won't find out. And why would you even risk it? The childrens' interests come first.

Viking

03-01-2006, 21:34

Oh brother....:wall:

People are born with elleven fingers, as homosexuals, as mad; but not with the wrong physical gender?

You don`t have to be mentally ill because of that. Although he/she/whateva did appear a bit desperat...

A.Saturnus

03-01-2006, 21:34

I've never heard of a patient who's only diagnosis was gender dysphoria and became perfectly mentally healthy after their operation. Just because these patients just about never regret their operation, doesn't mean it's a cut and dry 'cure.'

Not only is there ample clinical evidence of just that, I personally know transsexuals that feel that way.

Pretty sure that's not true- there have been cases of "feelings" not developing until puberty or even into adulthood, which is probably the case with this man since he didnt get the procedure until 71.

Most transsexuals don't realize what exactly is the problem until they are adolescents or adults, but usually they experience themselves to be different quite early. 71 is admittedly an extreme case.
It's not known what causes gender dysphoria, but some theories say that it has to do with hormonale imbalances before birth.

I'd say it's no cure at all- it's indulging in their disorder, not fixing it. If I became convinced that I was a Hobbit, would I be cured if you shortened my legs?

What is relevant is the reduction of distress. Telling them to accept themselves as they are may suit your perception of the world as normal, but it doesn't help transsexuals. That's as if you tell clinical depressed people not to let themselves down.

A.Saturnus

03-01-2006, 21:39

I see a huge difference between being homosexual and having a gender change.

For me gender change is similar to being ashamed of who you are... like Michael Jackson wanting to be white, or racists who hate their ethnic background...

I'm not convinced that it is a legitmate medical procedure... if it was then it would/should be payed out of the public purse. And if it was payed out of the public purse I would be querying why other priority treatments for burn and cancer wards were being demoted for a gender change.

Transsexuals aren't ashamed of themselves. Normally it has nothing to do with the social role of a sex, but the body itself. If it is only the social role that doesn't fit, than one isn't transsexual.
If gender dysphoria is diagnosed, the sex change is payed by the public purse in most countries.

A.Saturnus

03-01-2006, 21:42

Oh, get bent with your moral high ground and your bull **** attempt to paint this as anywhere close to me being a racist. :juggle2:

I don't need to paint you as anything, you do that yourself. But to decide how close it actually is, that I will leave over to the Mods.

Viking

03-01-2006, 21:42

Born in the wrong body? Are you saying that God or someone equally high up made a little mistake, and put a female mind in a male body? That it's in fact, a perfectly sane female mind trapped in a male body? It's a friggin mental disorder, and while I don't mean to marginalise their ordeals and do feel sorry for them, they're not normal.

No, it`s not a mental disorder....yes it was a female mind trapped inside a male body. For some time ago I read about a girl that cried every time she showered because of her (wrong) body. She also had a girlfriend, but didn`t feel lesbian at all. I saw an image of her. If it wasn`t for that I`d read the story, I`d never known that he earlier was a girl. I believ it`s called trance-sexuality, or something equal.

At this point I expect you to tell me "but if the surgery is really good the kids don't need to know!"

Kids doesn`t need to know anything about their teacher, they are there to learn about school subjects. :juggle2:

A.Saturnus

03-01-2006, 21:47

For all the "publicly" "tolerant" actors...
I wish your male child becomes homosexual and does a sex change at the age of 30 after having 2 kids with his/her wife.
Then you might take off the "politically correct" mask...

Hellenes

Wishing someone else's children to have a mental illness is a disgusting thing. You should be ashamed for yourself.

A.Saturnus

03-01-2006, 21:48

No, it`s not a mental disorder....

As I stated above, it is a mental disorder. And the cure is sex change.

Xiahou

03-01-2006, 22:41

As I stated above, it is a mental disorder. And the cure is sex change.
And the cure for alcoholism is a fifth of whiskey. Remember, it's all about reducing distress. :dizzy2:

Devastatin Dave

03-02-2006, 00:28

I don't need to paint you as anything, you do that yourself. But to decide how close it actually is, that I will leave over to the Mods.
Well, we know where they'll stand. You can call me a bigot and a racist without a blink because of who you are while I'll probably get a warning for telling you to get bent. So get bent...

Devastatin Dave

03-02-2006, 00:34

Sasaki Kojiro

03-02-2006, 00:43

Will any of you look at the picture and honestly tell me you want this thing teaching your kids?

Yes.

I'm actually amazed at the amount of disgust some of you are expressing.

Devastatin Dave

03-02-2006, 00:48

Yes.

I'm actually amazed at the amount of disgust some of you are expressing.
Good for you.
"It puts the lotion on the skin or it gets the hose again":laugh4:
I guess Saturnus is our resident Dr Lecture.

Papewaio

03-02-2006, 00:59

Transsexuals aren't ashamed of themselves. Normally it has nothing to do with the social role of a sex, but the body itself. If it is only the social role that doesn't fit, than one isn't transsexual.
If gender dysphoria is diagnosed, the sex change is payed by the public purse in most countries.

Gender is a society influenced role. However I don't agree with the public purse being used to change the gender of a person. I think part of the proof that they really need to change gender is that they are willing to fully pay for it.

Also on a wider scale I would prefer to see public money spent on what I consider higher priority scenarios...

Byzantine Prince

03-02-2006, 01:24

As I stated above, it is a mental disorder. And the cure is sex change.
Ok, but why not some psychotherapy?

Sex change is not really a cure, biologically, that guy is still a man. Sex changes are about aesthetics.

Major Robert Dump

03-02-2006, 01:34

I think the pictures of lily belong in teh babe thread, so please stop posting them here

Goofball

03-02-2006, 01:44

Just look at this freak1!!!!!113!4176!8432167432690!oneseven!one!

https://img164.imageshack.us/img164/5047/treehugger0ib.png (https://imageshack.us)

I'm confused.

Conservatives in this thread seem to be putting a lot of stock in physical appearance, saying that they wouldn't want somebody who looked like this teaching their kids.

But quite frankly, as far as physical appearances go, I don't see a lot of difference between "Lily" and this:

http://www.celebrity-photos.com/barbbush.jpg

Yet you guys not only elected as President the man who had the poor judgment to marry such an obvious freak, but you subsequently elected the freak's offspring as President twice!

Mother of God!

:dizzy2:

Major Robert Dump

03-02-2006, 01:44

And While I'm Here, Let Me Express My Disappointment That No One In The Backroom Has Used The Term tranny Granny In This Thread Until Now.

Goofball

03-02-2006, 01:55

Will any of you look at the picture and honestly tell me you want this thing teaching your kids? Too bad we have some very dishonest individuals in here playing politically correct sea captains in the torrential ocean of intolerance. You guys are beyond belief. Thankfully your utter lack of common sense is well insolated in these forums because I know for a fact that most of you "preaching" right now would NEVER EVER practice what your preach. Message board hypocrites, the majority of you self rightious fakes.:no:

Don't project your own biases onto the rest of us Dave. And no, I am not saying I don't have any biases. I'm just saying that mine are clearly different from yours. Example: I would honestly (and I know you find this hard to believe, but whatever) be quite comfortable having my kid in this woman's class. On the other hand, I would be very uncomfortable having my son's class be taught by an acknowledged Christian (or Muslim, or just about any religion) fundamentalist.

I've got my bias, you've got yours.

At any rate, you just finished throwing a big hissy fit a few posts back because there was a hint of you possibly being called a racist. Then you have the balls to throw this crap around?

Nice...

Ice

03-02-2006, 02:09

I'm going to join the minority party here and agree with Dave on this issue. Keep it up.

Kanamori

03-02-2006, 02:10

And While I'm Here, Let Me Express My Disappointment That No One In The Backroom Has Used The Term tranny Granny In This Thread Until Now.

Dood you,re off the hook. Hang up now!

Redleg

03-02-2006, 02:35

Dood you,re off the hook. Hang up now!

Well he is from Oklahoma. They have some problems - just watch Jerry Springer sometime. Most of his guests are from Trailer Parks in either the Tulsa or OKC area. (Except for the few that come from the Trailer parks around Little Rock.)

Tranny Granny is a popular pasttime is several of the trailer parks in Oklahoma from what I hear.

They call it Tranny Granny in the Trailer by the Jailer On the way they fill the pail by rail with the bile on the way to the jail escorted by the Jailer who was pimping Granny in the Trailer so he could fill the jail to collect some bail.

Strike For The South

03-02-2006, 02:39

I can watch cops and fill in my faimily tree..Im a white trash sensi

Devastatin Dave

03-02-2006, 02:49

I'm confused.

Conservatives in this thread seem to be putting a lot of stock in physical appearance, saying that they wouldn't want somebody who looked like this teaching their kids.

But quite frankly, as far as physical appearances go, I don't see a lot of difference between "Lily" and this:

http://www.celebrity-photos.com/barbbush.jpg

Yet you guys not only elected as President the man who had the poor judgment to marry such an obvious freak, but you subsequently elected the freak's offspring as President twice!

Mother of God!

:dizzy2:
At least she has (had) a functioning vagina and not a bananna split drilled into her.:laugh4:

Kanamori

03-02-2006, 02:50

Seriously, what are you guys on about? I've no idea.

Crazy arse Texans.

Edit: Since one cannot tell the difference between the two types of ugly, one wonders how having a 'banana split' impairs their ability to teach well.

Redleg

03-02-2006, 03:01

I can watch cops and fill in my faimily tree..Im a white trash sensi

Only when you are a guest on Jerry Springer (A surprise guest invited to learn a family secret) and make an espisode of Cops as the featured arrest all in the same day. :laugh4:

Soulforged

03-02-2006, 03:18

Will any of you look at the picture and honestly tell me you want this thing teaching your kids? Too bad we have some very dishonest individuals in here playing politically correct sea captains in the torrential ocean of intolerance. You guys are beyond belief. Thankfully your utter lack of common sense is well insolated in these forums because I know for a fact that most of you "preaching" right now would NEVER EVER practice what your preach. Message board hypocrites, the majority of you self rightious fakes.:no:I can't tell you through a picture, that doesn't talk about the person. However I'm pretty sure that I'll not want someone with so many prejudices teaching my kids. If you only judge a person by a sexual election, or not (because in this case he couldn't choose freely), or even worse because of a picture or even an article then that tells a lot about your psyche.

Divinus Arma

03-02-2006, 03:32

Major Robert Dump

03-02-2006, 03:43

Does anyone know what they do with the beans and franks when they remove them? Can you take them home afterwards? Or maybe they save them to stick on the woman who always wanted to be a man.

Any way you cut it, Lily is HAWT. I would totally have a threesome with her and Janet Reno

http://www.jokaroo.com/funnyvideos/janet_reno_sings_respect.html

Slyspy

03-02-2006, 03:49

I cannot honestly say that having a transsexual teach my kids wouldn't be a little unusual and take some getting used to but I would not be against it. As with all teachers, it is about teaching ability more than anything else. It does seem that relocation to another school would have been wise, but perhaps she thought that she would be more accepted where she was known previous to the op?

Seems perfectly legit to me to treat a mental disorder of this kind with surgery. As mentioned, it reduces the sufferer's distress considerably and few have regrets.

Some confuson between transsexual and homosexual in this thread. Also DevDave's ranting and and bluster is quite amusing, so keep it up!

Major Robert Dump

03-02-2006, 03:57

Well he is from Oklahoma. They have some problems - just watch Jerry Springer sometime. Most of his guests are from Trailer Parks in either the Tulsa or OKC area. (Except for the few that come from the Trailer parks around Little Rock.)

Tranny Granny is a popular pasttime is several of the trailer parks in Oklahoma from what I hear.

They call it Tranny Granny in the Trailer by the Jailer On the way they fill the pail by rail with the bile on the way to the jail escorted by the Jailer who was pimping Granny in the Trailer so he could fill the jail to collect some bail.

That last paragraph would make a good rap, if you want to start a rap band I can play accordian and I know a couple of midgets

Sasaki Kojiro

03-02-2006, 04:02

I don't get it. Really, I don't.

We all seem to agree that this individual has a mental disorder. What we disgaree on is: (a) How to treat the disorder, and (b) Whether a man physically mutilated to resemble a woman should be in a position of influence over children.

She no longer has a mental disorder. Her body is now that of a females, albeit a sterile, ugly, female. Thus the cause of mental distress is no longer there.

Being an ardent supporter of democracy, I say Let him cut off his cock and make her teach at a different school. At the school board nobody is contesting whether to let Miss McBeth teach. They just want her to teach at a different school where she will not be exposed to students who knew her as a man.

I think your being paranoid here. What kind of transexual influence do you think the teacher is going to have on the kids? I would be very surprised if she ever mentioned it in class. You think she will "confuse" them somehow? Could you clarify that?

Devastatin Dave

03-02-2006, 04:55

Does anyone know what they do with the beans and franks when they remove them?
Well they filet the frank and make the vaginal canal with it. The beans are of no use but I think they could be made into a nice pair of nipple jewlery for Canadian Tavern members to wear.:idea2:

Redleg

03-02-2006, 04:56

Well they filet the frank and make the vaginal canal with it. The beans are of no use but I think they could be made into a nice pair of nipple jewlery for Canadian Tavern members to wear.:idea2:

Or they could be going into a pot of sweet meats, or a rare type of Rocky Mountain Oysters. :oops:

Ice

03-02-2006, 04:57

think they could be made into a nice pair of nipple jewlery for Canadian Tavern members to wear.:idea2:

Dave, good stuff.

Xiahou

03-02-2006, 05:26

She no longer has a mental disorder. Her body is now that of a females, albeit a sterile, ugly, female. Thus the cause of mental distress is no longer there.No, he's still male- just one that had himself castrated, given breast implants and likely a hormone regimen. I dont think surgery removes the xy chromosome.:dizzy2:

Sasaki Kojiro

03-02-2006, 05:58

No, he's still male- just one that had himself castrated, given breast implants and likely a hormone regimen. I dont think surgery removes the xy chromosome.:dizzy2:

Same thing in the end.

She wasn't upset over her DNA, so this:

Thus the cause of mental distress is no longer there.

Is still true.

Goofball

03-02-2006, 06:20

think they could be made into a nice pair of nipple jewlery for Canadian Tavern members to wear.:idea2:Dave, good stuff.

Actually, the beans could be made into matching man-earrings that Dave and ghost908 could wear with their respective 'Big Cat' and 'Me-Too' t-shirts while listening to Limbaugh...

:boxing:

Papewaio

03-02-2006, 07:47

So lets get this umm 'straight'.

She can teach primary school children but she could not play in a female professional sports team?

doc_bean

03-02-2006, 10:16

No, he's still male- just one that had himself castrated, given breast implants and likely a hormone regimen. I dont think surgery removes the xy chromosome.:dizzy2:

There are plenty of XY women in the world, and XXY men, and XXX women, and probably a couple of other 'out of the ordinary' combinations as well. There is no definite gender line that can be drawn, at most there is a gray area with true white and black on either side.

Fragony

03-02-2006, 11:54

As I stated above, it is a mental disorder. And the cure is sex change.

My uncle thinks he is Napoleon, nice guy, but giving him a emperial guard is a very bad idea. He knows lots of stuff about highschool-level mathematics, 2+2=4 and that sort of stuff. He could be a great teacher.

Anyone who doesn't mind their kids being near this...thing.... is more concerned about their crazy fuzzywuzzy ideals then the health of their kids imvho.

Navaros

03-02-2006, 13:10

You could explain them instead that some people have a rare disease with the name gender dysphoria for which the only cure is a sex change.

Just a question, Dave would you have been fine if she hadn't had a sex change (and thus remaining mentally ill) instead of getting herself cured?

This post, and the content of the news in the original post are utterly insane. Butchering a person's natural organs is not a a "cure" to anything - it only goes to show that society as a whole and the "doctors" who do the butchering are just as severely insane as the butcheree itself.

That thing listed in the original post should be locked away forever in an insane asylum, not "working" near young children! :furious3:

R'as al Ghul

03-02-2006, 13:58

That thing listed in the original post should be locked away forever in an insane asylum, not "working" near young children! :furious3:

Being time-warped directly from the Old Testament to the 21st century must be disturbing. :laugh4:

Devastatin Dave

03-02-2006, 15:53

Actually, the beans could be made into matching man-earrings that Dave and ghost908 could wear with their respective 'Big Cat' and 'Me-Too' t-shirts while listening to Limbaugh...

:boxing:
I love a good duel. Good shot BTW...:laugh4:
Maybe the doctor that performed this operation could transplant the beans to you sense you seem to have lost yours...:book:

Devastatin Dave

03-02-2006, 16:17

here's another FREAK....
http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=4568083&nav=0RYv
It should have thought that its life would change before it had its wank lopped off. Gotta love weirdos sueing for things they are responsible for. It should be performing drag shows at gay bars, not causing problems with a very important service to the community. :wall:

lars573

03-02-2006, 16:38

You know a man who gets a sex change to a woman isn't that disturbing. Now female to male trannies to me anyway are kind of disturbing. As once they are done they are effectively guys with pies. Think about that.

BigTex

03-02-2006, 18:42

Is this debate about anything other then Christian ethics and what she looks like (There are far far far far far far worse looking women out there). I highly doubt any of the kids will be interrogating her as to what happened, i also doubt she'll be going into what happened.
Personally i'd rather have Ms. Mcbeth teaching children then a Christian Zealot screaming down with homo's. Btw the way most people would judge sex is by their different sexual organs, so those saying that Ms. Mcbeth (baaaaad name hope she isnt an english teacher.) is still a he i would like to know how you judge the sex of a person.

Crazy arse Texans.
Crazy arse British.

Xiahou

03-02-2006, 19:02

BigTex

03-02-2006, 19:05

'Miss McBeth, why are you so hairy? Why is your voice so deep?'
Those somehow aren't easily answered with something along the lines of "Because thats the way I am". There are also many women with unusually high levels of testosterone that are hairy and have deep voices.

Fragony

03-02-2006, 19:07

Is this debate about anything other then Christian ethics and what she looks like (There are far far far far far far worse looking women out there).[/SIZE][/I]

I'll think I'll skip Texas :dizzy2:

Tribesman

03-02-2006, 19:23

Butchering a person's natural organs is not a a "cure" to anything - it only goes to show that society as a whole and the "doctors" who do the butchering are just as severely insane as the butcheree itself.

Hey Navaros . what happened to your faith , have you given up on it ?
But I am sure you still have a vast knowledge of scripture inside your head , so please enlighten me .
What does it say in the bible about butchering your natural body as a cure ?:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Devastatin Dave

03-02-2006, 19:48

What does it say in the bible about butchering your natural body as a cure ?:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?” (1 Corinthians 6:19
Ask and ye shall recieve.:book:

BigTex

03-02-2006, 19:56

Ask and ye shall recieve.
What does the bible say about the puritan witch trials?

Big_John

03-02-2006, 20:03

What does the bible say about the puritan wich trials?which trials?

.. hahahaha http://deephousepage.com/smilies/biglaugha.gif

yesdachi

03-02-2006, 20:41

double post, sorry.

yesdachi

03-02-2006, 20:43

What does the bible say about the puritan wich trials?
not sure what the bible says about the wich trials but i am pretty sure i can tell you what the wich trials would say about Lily McBeth.~D

I havent rung in on the topic yet because i have been pretty busy today but i will say that i do not condem the guy for the sex change but i do not approve of him teaching kids. they have a tough enough time trying to learn school stuff and figure out how they fit in with friends and other social stuff, they dont need a distraction like this. Let Lily go teach a college class or night school or something where kids are not involved. or he could just retire, he/she is 71! put your past life behind you Lily and go on a singles cruise and see what that new plumbing can do! That thought just made me throw-up a little into my mouth.:sick2:

Ice

03-02-2006, 20:44

A.Saturnus

03-02-2006, 21:18

Gender is a society influenced role. However I don't agree with the public purse being used to change the gender of a person. I think part of the proof that they really need to change gender is that they are willing to fully pay for it.

And part of the proof that one wants his cancer treated could be that he scratches the money together. The general view is that costly operations to fix inborn problems you suffer heavily from are payed for.

Ok, but why not some psychotherapy?

Because it doesn't work.

Sex change is not really a cure, biologically, that guy is still a man. Sex changes are about aesthetics.

No, it's mostly about the stuff dreams are made from: hormones.

And the cure for alcoholism is a fifth of whiskey. Remember, it's all about reducing distress.

Her problem was the mismatch between her self perception and her body. That is gone effectively. Ergo: cured. But, hey maybe you're more clever than 50 years of research.

Anyone who doesn't mind their kids being near this...thing.... is more concerned about their crazy fuzzywuzzy ideals then the health of their kids imvho.

No, they are just more tolerant. That someone has a mental disorder doesn't mean that he's dangerous to anyone or that his presents is harmful to children. I ask again: what can possibly happen???

A.Saturnus

03-02-2006, 21:20

This post, and the content of the news in the original post are utterly insane. Butchering a person's natural organs is not a a "cure" to anything - it only goes to show that society as a whole and the "doctors" who do the butchering are just as severely insane as the butcheree itself.

That thing listed in the original post should be locked away forever in an insane asylum, not "working" near young children! :furious3:

What god do you follow again? It was Khorne, right?

Devastatin Dave

03-02-2006, 21:31

No, they are just more tolerant. That someone has a mental disorder doesn't mean that he's dangerous to anyone or that his presents is harmful to children. I ask again: what can possibly happen???
I thought you said that this person is "cured" now that he has had his wee-wee cut off and has been made into a she. I guess your tolerant pscho babble is conjectured BS.

Tribesman

03-02-2006, 21:45

1 Corinthians 6:19
Ask and ye shall recieve
Yeah Dave , try Matthew18;8-9 .
Gospel trumps Letters any day of the week :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Viking

03-02-2006, 21:52

As I stated above, it is a mental disorder. And the cure is sex change.

I thought of disorder as something else, my mistake.:book:

Xiahou

03-02-2006, 22:03

Her problem was the mismatch between her self perception and her body. That is gone effectively. Ergo: cured. But, hey maybe you're more clever than 50 years of research.Yeah right, it's all so cut and dry- 50 years of unwavering support. :dizzy2: I'm pretty sure surgery to treat psychological problems is generally frowned on- and many medical professionals are far from sold on the ethics of doing so for sex changes.

Devastatin Dave

03-02-2006, 22:31

1 Corinthians 6:19
Ask and ye shall recieve
Yeah Dave , try Matthew18;8-9 .
Gospel trumps Letters any day of the week :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/1Cr/1Cr006.html
:2thumbsup:

Tribesman

03-02-2006, 22:39

Wow Dave , so instead of dealing with the passage that says about mutilating your own body as it is Gods will , you just repeat the Letters passage .
Whassup , is the bible too contradictory for you :inquisitive:

Goofball

03-02-2006, 23:02

I love a good duel. Good shot BTW...:laugh4:
Maybe the doctor that performed this operation could transplant the beans to you sense you seem to have lost yours...:book:

Man, it's times like this I really wish I was posting from home instead of work. Your post all but demands that I post a photoshopped picture of myself sporting two enormous (200-300 pounds each at least) testicles and an eight-foot johnson. Which, BTW, would not be all that much of an exaggeration in my case.

~;p

Proletariat

03-02-2006, 23:22

I find it a bit shocking that another member of the medical field can conclude that it must be the body that is surgically altered to fit the mind, and not even seem to consider the opposite approach. And then to not even touch on the controversy and debate that goes on in gender studies about this procedure. This isn't some 'just cut this off and call me in the morning' condition.

Tribesman

03-02-2006, 23:38

find it a bit shocking that another member of the medical field
Come on Prole , it is a very big field . It contains creatures of many different types and practices .
Actually , there were a couple of creatures in that field , of the likes of Mengele and Shipman . Is it shocking that you do not share their medical views ?
Or is it just that the person has reached the conclusion in this specific case without any access to the case history ?

Proletariat

03-02-2006, 23:52

Come on Prole , it is a very big field . It contains creatures of many different types and practices .

This is my point. To act as if this is some cut and dry condition with one cure is wrong. Have you heard of the Government Policy Concerning Transsexual People that was published by the BLCO? Reading A Sat's answers would have a layperson thinking the entire field of psychology agreed with him. There is a wide range of views and dismissing them by saying 'should we listen to you or 50 years of research?' is a cop out.

Is it shocking that you do not share their medical views ?

What's my view on this? Did I post one? Please let me know where I might've mislead you into thinking I have a solid view on this so I can clarify my wording for you.

Tribesman

03-03-2006, 00:14

What's my view on this? Did I post one? Please let me know where I might've mislead you into thinking I have a solid view on this so I can clarify my wording for you.
Oh dear prole , that one went right over your head .
Do you share the views of the two doctors I named ?:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Proletariat

03-03-2006, 00:26

Must need sleep. :oops:

But for the record, no I don't agree with Nazis or serial killers.

Or is it just that the person has reached the conclusion in this specific case without any access to the case history ?

Yes.

Xiahou

03-03-2006, 01:29

But for the record, no I don't agree with Nazis or serial killers.Phew, glad we got that sorted out. :laugh4:

Proletariat

03-03-2006, 03:27

Phew, glad we got that sorted out. :laugh4:

Yeah, it's pretty embarassing how badly I misinterpreted that post, but on the bright side I got a chance to point that out. :jumping:

Major Robert Dump

03-03-2006, 04:07

Big_John

03-03-2006, 04:24

Oh My God It's Lou Reed!!!!!no, i'm pretty sure it's iggy pop.

Divinus Arma

03-03-2006, 06:40

Just because you have your **** cut does not mean you are a woman.

THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!!

All you dudes out there! You want to hit a dudeish thing?!

i see this word used again and it's another warning. please check your language. - solypsist

Papewaio

03-03-2006, 06:55

So by your definition it's only a woman if you think its worth hitting on... should make family reunions interesting. :dizzy2:

monkian

03-03-2006, 09:34

Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?” (1 Corinthians 6:19
Ask and ye shall recieve.:book:

Oo, Oo, can I play too ?

Austin 3:16 says I just kicked your ass !

The Book of Stone Cold.

Fragony

03-03-2006, 10:53

No, they are just more tolerant. That someone has a mental disorder doesn't mean that he's dangerous to anyone or that his presents is harmful to children. I ask again: what can possibly happen???

Don't know, do you? A man that thinks he is really a woman is obviously insane, like I said, giving someone like that a sex change is like giving an emperial guard to someone who believes he is Napoleon. Insane people shouldn't be near kids, today he thinks he's a woman, tommorow perhaps bluebeard?

Soulforged

03-04-2006, 04:27

Don't know, do you? A man that thinks he is really a woman is obviously insane, like I said, giving someone like that a sex change is like giving an emperial guard to someone who believes he is Napoleon. Insane people shouldn't be near kids, today he thinks he's a woman, tommorow perhaps bluebeard?From where you do deduce that he's "insane", is it a medical term and therefore an educated conclusion coming from a psycologist? Or you are just guessing? Hell man, you talk about ideals but you don't even know reality...

Fragony

03-04-2006, 10:51

From where you do deduce that he's "insane", is it a medical term and therefore an educated conclusion coming from a psycologist? Or you are just guessing? Hell man, you talk about ideals but you don't even know reality...

No I am not a psycholigist, did study it for 2 years though, nice chicks. But A. Saturnus is, and he already said that it is a mental disorder, mental disorders being commonly associated with with being less then sane I'll say it's a pretty good guess. Reality is that this thing thinks he is a woman, what we think of that is just a matter of perception, I find it weird, and you think it is normal. Now that we are doing the shrink thing, are there any studies that explicitly show that the perception of children on sexuality and gender remains unchanged when confronted with Sheman? That would help the discussion.

Banquo's Ghost

03-04-2006, 12:08

Reality is that this thing thinks he is a woman, what we think of that is just a matter of perception, I find it weird, and you think it is normal.

Whatever opinion one might hold about this person, they are NOT a thing. They are human. Perhaps very troubled or misguided, and perhaps challenging to one's own beliefs in a way that troubles one's view of the world.

But no human being is a thing, and to reduce someone to such sub-humanity drives us down awful paths. It also prevents one from understanding, learning or teaching - and those you wish to change from listening. It is the language of the lynch mob.

BigTex

03-04-2006, 18:07

There are people born all around the world each year that have both sexual organs. So its not a big step (more like a step down) to think that a person could be born with a mutation in the brain that cuases them to think they should be a different sex. Now i'm sure alot of you have said that god doesnt botch up the sex of a person, but what about those people who are neither male nor female, having both organs. I'm sure he must have meant them just to have a more interesting life, or maybe just 2 marriages.

Soulforged

03-04-2006, 20:43

No I am not a psycholigist, did study it for 2 years though, nice chicks. But A. Saturnus is, and he already said that it is a mental disorder, mental disorders being commonly associated with with being less then sane I'll say it's a pretty good guess. Reality is that this thing thinks he is a woman, what we think of that is just a matter of perception, I find it weird, and you think it is normal. Now that we are doing the shrink thing, are there any studies that explicitly show that the perception of children on sexuality and gender remains unchanged when confronted with Sheman? That would help the discussion.Truth, but that's partially comprehended. Saturnus also said that he got gured thanks to the sex change, now everyone is disputing that educated guess just from a gut feeling. If he got cured he's technically sane.

doc_bean

03-04-2006, 21:41

Saturnus also said that he got cured thanks to the sex change

:laugh4:

Seriously though, this discussion is going no where, I suggest the people who don't want a transgender teaching their children to send their children to a different school. It isn't like the world is overrun by transgender school teachers...

A.Saturnus

03-05-2006, 00:02

This is my point. To act as if this is some cut and dry condition with one cure is wrong. Have you heard of the Government Policy Concerning Transsexual People that was published by the BLCO? Reading A Sat's answers would have a layperson thinking the entire field of psychology agreed with him. There is a wide range of views and dismissing them by saying 'should we listen to you or 50 years of research?' is a cop out.

Well, I admit I'm not an expert on the issue. And of course there is dissent about sex change operations. I doubt there is a surgical operation about which there is no dissent at all. Hell, we even have doctors claiming that AIDS doesn't exist. But sex change operations are an accepted and normal medical intervention approved by the APA and carried out thousands of times. Obviously, to great success. Doorn et al (1996) and Kuiper (1988) et al found in two large Dutch studies that almost in 100% of the cases, the symptomes disappeared. According to Vandereycken (2000) 68 to 86% of treated patients experience a significant increase in psychical and social well-being, including comorbidity.
Not many treatments to mental disorders can claim similar success.
But you're wrong to assume that I never considered the alternative. Some years age, when a friend of mine told me she found out that she's transsexual, I immediately realized that's the cause of some problems she always had, but in the beginning I tried to talk her out of plans of a sex change. I tried to convince her that a cognitive therapy would be better. But with time what she told me of her feelings, her experiences during therapy and with other patients that she shared with me and the literature I read on the issue convinced me that a sex change is the right way. His operations are now several years past and although he has to take hormone medication for the rest of his life, he feels better than ever before in his life. I've no remaining doubt that the sex change was the necessary thing to do.
Of course, that might not be so for everyone, but as I said, no sex change is done without a team of health care professionals that know vastly more about the individual case than any of us decides that it is necessary.

But actually, that's not really relevant. The point is that it is an approved treatment and it would certainly be discrimination if anyone lost his job because of it. And BTW, as far the state is concerned, the sex of the person is changed.

A.Saturnus

03-05-2006, 00:08

No I am not a psycholigist...

Let's just say you're entirely wrong, ok?

Now that we are doing the shrink thing, are there any studies that explicitly show that the perception of children on sexuality and gender remains unchanged when confronted with Sheman? That would help the discussion.

I think that there are currently no studies that show that your existence isn't detrimental to the health of sane people, so I suggest we let Navaros sacrifice you to his God.

makkyo

03-05-2006, 05:33

I don't see a single mention of her being mentally ill.

I suppose it depends on your definition of mental illness. But when a 70+ year old lady/man has a sex change, I think something's up.
Personally, I wouldn't want my kids being taught by someone like that. I put him/her under the same category as alcoholics as far as a positive influence to my children are concerned.

Fragony

03-05-2006, 11:07

I think that there are currently no studies that show that your existence isn't detrimental to the health of sane people, so I suggest we let Navaros sacrifice you to his God.

Nice. What a fascinating personal attack, you must feel pretty strong about this, had any dick inflation lately?

Devastatin Dave

03-05-2006, 19:59

Nice. What a fascinating personal attack, you must feel pretty strong about this, had any dick inflation lately?
Wonder if any actions will be taken? Doubt it...

/~:rolleyes: hey i will be sure to send you a personal pm every time i warn somebody. - solypsist

A.Saturnus

03-06-2006, 20:39

Nice. What a fascinating personal attack, you must feel pretty strong about this, had any dick inflation lately?

I'm sorry, I didn't mean it as a personal attack. It was just a sarcastic comment to demonstrate the fallacy in your argument. I neither wanted to say that your existence is actually harmful to anyone nor did I intend to question your sanity. Also, I do not believe that Navaros actually sacrifices humans, and if he were, I wouldn't want you to be one of his victims. I apologies if any of this notions came across.
But you're still wrong. And yes, I feel pretty strong about this.

A.Saturnus

03-06-2006, 20:43

Wonder if any actions will be taken? Doubt it...

Yes, it was. I feel now entitled to open several threads in the Watchtower to decry the injustice of it all and the obvious bias of the Mods, but I have nothing to prove... :juggle2:

yesdachi

03-06-2006, 21:00

Side note about this he/she: i listened to an audio clip of him from some morning show and he sounds like an old man. what's the point of making yourself look like a female on the outside if the second you speak everyone knows you're a guy. i think now more than ever he has mental issues and shouldn't be around kids.:dizzy2:

Ice

03-06-2006, 21:03

Devastatin Dave

03-06-2006, 21:25

Wonder if any actions will be taken? Doubt it...

/~:rolleyes: hey i will be sure to send you a personal pm every time i warn somebody. - solypsist
boo-hoo, didn't even say mod or soly, but your wittle feewins got hurt. :dizzy2:

Devastatin Dave

03-06-2006, 21:30

Yes, it was. I feel now entitled to open several threads in the Watchtower to decry the injustice of it all and the obvious bias of the Mods, but I have nothing to prove... :juggle2:
Go for it if you feel so inclined. No need to attack me on my postings in the Watch tower because your belief in the lack of smell from your own feces. How's the weather up there on your high horse BTW?

yesdachi

03-06-2006, 21:33

What, you don't want a 70 year old transsexual teaching your young kids? I can't believe I'm hearing this!

:dizzy2:
I wouldn't want most of the teachers that are out there to teach our next generation but “because they are sissy liberals” isn't an argument the school board will listen to~D. but in this case i don't think a 70 year old mentally unbalanced transsexual should be teaching children. no-way, no-how. and i think the powers that be will agree. Let him teach college classes or other adults, but honestly i wouldn't want him as my teacher just because he is 70. I would much rather have a teacher that is at least from my parents generation hoping that they can relate the subject to situations i may encounter rather than hear how “back when i was a kid i had to walk to school up hill both ways (in his case, in high heals:laugh4:) in this much snow, bla, bla, bla.”

Slyspy

03-06-2006, 21:40

boo-hoo, didn't even say mod or soly, but your wittle feewins got hurt. :dizzy2:

:gah2:

Big_John

03-06-2006, 22:18

Yes, it was. I feel now entitled to open several threads in the Watchtower to decry the injustice of it all and the obvious bias of the Mods, but I have nothing to prove... :juggle2:ROFL!

Ironside

03-06-2006, 22:47

Wonder if any actions will be taken? Doubt it...

/~:rolleyes: hey i will be sure to send you a personal pm every time i warn somebody. - solypsist

boo-hoo, didn't even say mod or soly, but your wittle feewins got hurt. :dizzy2:

Having PMS again Dave? :laugh4:

~;)

Papewaio

03-06-2006, 23:30

PMS = Picked on by Mod Syndrome

Tends to be an irrational feeling that only your point of views get warnings.

My favourite pastime is reading all the warnings to all the different 'factions'.

BTW Last week I gave the patron jesus over 10 warning points... I can tell you that makes a mod feel uncomfortable. :dizzy2:

Devastatin Dave

03-07-2006, 02:47

Papewaio

03-07-2006, 02:48

I think the poster will be the one going to hell... he was a KKK recruiter.

Men who love men in white sheets kind of guy.

Devastatin Dave

03-07-2006, 04:02

I think the poster will be the one going to hell... he was a KKK recruiter.

Men who love men in white sheets kind of guy.
No kidding, and he was posting on this site?:inquisitive:

Mongoose

03-07-2006, 04:14

Why do you guys always delete posts like that? C'mon, I bet all of them were hilarious...nothing is funnier then an idiot on a mission.:laugh4:

Fragony

03-07-2006, 11:47

I'm sorry, I didn't mean it as a personal attack. It was just a sarcastic comment to demonstrate the fallacy in your argument. I neither wanted to say that your existence is actually harmful to anyone nor did I intend to question your sanity. Also, I do not believe that Navaros actually sacrifices humans, and if he were, I wouldn't want you to be one of his victims. I apologies if any of this notions came across.
But you're still wrong. And yes, I feel pretty strong about this.

No problem at all, I was just teasing you. It takes a whole lot more to piss me off :bow: