Mauris reform when do it hapans???????

[aarya]

:help: Mauris reform when do it hapans????????,is ther any condations to be satisfy.:help:

[Lord Dazed & Confused]

If your playing 1.5 it happens once you've built an Imperial Palace in Italy and I think it was any time after 220bc in 1.2 with an Imperial Palace.
Earliest I've had it happen was 248bc by building population growth building, not going to war and not building large armies.

LDC

[Avicenna]

So is getting rid of extra Italian population a good thing to do? (delaying the reforms, preventing extra squalor and allowing you to build up military buildings).

So when the reforms come, crank out an army or two and initiate civil war and blitz Italy from your Roman rivals.

[Ultras DVSC]

My rtw-experiences are quite low, which Marian-reforms employs the game?

[Avicenna]

I apologise for the double post (since I can't edit), but if another Roman faction (Julii Brutii or Scipii) get Imperial Palace but you don't do the reforms happen anyway? and is it worth it to create new Legionary armies and disbanding your old pre-Marius units? (apart from Triarii of course).

[Pontifex Rex]

My rtw-experiences are quite low, which Marian-reforms employs the game?


If I understand your question correctly the reforms make new units available to the Romans.

You no longer can make Veletes, Equites, Hastadi or Principes. After the reforms you can make:

Auxilia (light spearmen)
Early Legionary Cohort (light infantry)
Legionary Cohorts (heavy infantry )
Preatorian Cohorts (heavier infatry)
Urban Cohorts (very heavy infantry)

You get better archers, a new light cavalry and a pretty good heavy cavalry (2 turn production time) and some special units.

[Pontifex Rex]

I apologise for the double post (since I can't edit), but if another Roman faction (Julii Brutii or Scipii) get Imperial Palace but you don't do the reforms happen anyway? and is it worth it to create new Legionary armies and disbanding your old pre-Marius units? (apart from Triarii of course).

Yes, the first Imp Palace will trigger the reforms.

I don't disband the early units but I do send them to the front as I replace them with Legionary Cohorts, etc. They still fight just as well as they did before and they still have all their experience. It would be a waste of money to disband them, it would be better to use them up (attrition) in killing the enemy while you raise new legions.

Just be sure you realize that they no longer can replace losses among the old units, so you will need to merge them together as they take casualties.

Cheers.

[Pontifex Rex]

So when the reforms come, crank out an army or two and initiate civil war and blitz Italy from your Roman rivals.

If you feel you are ready to begin the civil war at that point, sure, give it a go. You still need the popular support, though, without it you will need to conquer more territiry first.

[Avicenna]

About the civil war.. in a diplomacy guide I read one diplomatic maneouvre there was to take cities that other Roman factions are assigned. The option after is to keep yourself for income, exterminate and give to the faction to be seen as a prick or give it to the SPQR to increase popular support(!).

Does this giving of territory to the people of Rome make them happy and increase popularity?

[Pontifex Rex]

...Does this giving of territory to the people of Rome make them happy and increase popularity?

I'm not sure whether this one increases popular support (conquering) or Senatorial support (gifting to the senate). Either way, I do not make use of any tricks in the game or try to hasten the civil war. The AI has problems enough without my trying to bugger it up. When I am outlawed or when I feel strong enough (and have the popular support) to take on the empire, the civil war will begin.

Cheers.

[The Spartan (Returns)]

the marius reforms shouldnt be when u finish constucting a Imperial Place. (too early)

[The Spartan (Returns)]

also u wont be able to build a army barracks which trains Triarii. (i really like Triarii)

[aarya]

is it woth to have new units. Since it spend a lot money on making new units.Can't we convert old units into new units .:wall:

[Ultras DVSC]

If I understand your question correctly the reforms make new units available to the Romans.

You no longer can make Veletes, Equites, Hastadi or Principes. After the reforms you can make:

Auxilia (light spearmen)
Early Legionary Cohort (light infantry)
Legionary Cohorts (heavy infantry )
Preatorian Cohorts (heavier infatry)
Urban Cohorts (very heavy infantry)

You get better archers, a new light cavalry and a pretty good heavy cavalry (2 turn production time) and some special units.

Thanks, that's what I mean. Do their costs increase heavily as well?
Because Marius was, who established the regular soldier's pay.
And do the reforms influence the battles? I mean are there new formations, or optional tactics?

[Avicenna]

If I understand your question correctly the reforms make new units available to the Romans.

You no longer can make Veletes, Equites, Hastadi or Principes. After the reforms you can make:

Auxilia (light spearmen)
Early Legionary Cohort (light infantry)
Legionary Cohorts (heavy infantry )
Preatorian Cohorts (heavier infatry)
Urban Cohorts (very heavy infantry)

You get better archers, a new light cavalry and a pretty good heavy cavalry (2 turn production time) and some special units.

Before-After
Hastasi-Auxilia
Principes-Early Legionary Cohorts
Triarii-Legionary Cohorts, Early Legionary First Cohorts
Level 5 barracks (with 3 exp bonus)-Legionary First Cohorts, Urban Cohorts
Imperial Palace-Praetorian Cohorts
Roman Archers-Archer Auxilia
Equites-Roman Cavalry
Level 3 stables-Legionary Cavalry
Level 4 stables-Praetorian Cohorts

[The Spartan (Returns)]

how come u cant recriut first cohorts?
ive had a urban barracks but cat recriut first cohorts?

[Ludens]

Thanks, that's what I mean. Do their costs increase heavily as well?
Because Marius was, who established the regular soldier's pay.
And do the reforms influence the battles? I mean are there new formations, or optional tactics?
Upkeep doesn't increase dramatically (in fact, only the early legionaries cost somewhat more than their pre-Marian equivalent), but training costs do. You also get a new, expensive set of elites. It certainly influences battle tactics, as now your poor cavalry and archers are replaced with some of the best units in the game. Also, almost all your troops (except peasants, town watch, light auxila and auxillary cavalry) become armoured. Your infantry get a quality boost as well and legionaries will be able to form a testudo (though its actual use is questionable).

Incidentally, I would hardly call early legionary cohorts light infantry. They are only slightly less armoured than their late counterparts.


is it woth to have new units. Since it spend a lot money on making new units.Can't we convert old units into new units .:wall:
No.


how come u cant recriut first cohorts?
ive had a urban barracks but cat recriut first cohorts?
First Cohorts can only be recruited in Rome.

[The Spartan (Returns)]

i was thinkin of that

[Drock]

how come u cant recriut first cohorts?
ive had a urban barracks but cat recriut first cohorts?

First cohorts can only be recruited in Rome.

But I agree that it kind of sux you have to get a level five city off of the Italian Penninsula in order to get Triarii. I think there is a mod out there that allows you to draft Pre-reform units after the reform though.

[The Spartan (Returns)]

if i could pick a date when marius refroms come id say 195 b.c.