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InsaneApache

03-07-2006, 11:25

TRADITIONAL nursery rhymes are being rewritten at nursery schools to avoid causing offence to children.

Instead of singing “Baa baa, black sheep” as generations of children have learnt to do, toddlers in Oxfordshire are being taught to sing “Baa baa, rainbow sheep”.

In keeping with the new approach, teachers at the nurseries have reportedly also changed the ending of Humpty Dumpty so as not to upset the children and dropped the seven dwarfs from the title of Snow White.

Clicky (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2073043,00.html)

I don't know about you lot, but I think they've gone potty.:dizzy2:

I found this interesting.

This is not the first time, however, that the nursery rhyme — written in 1744 satirising the taxes imposed on wool exports — has fallen foul of political correctness. In 2000 Birmingham City Council tried to ban the rhyme, after claiming that it was racist and portrayed negative stereotypes. The council rescinded the ban after black parents said it was ludicrous.

I have never heard anyone, black, brown, white or skybluepink complain about these rhymes. Another case of white middle England getting it totally wrong, methinks.

Samurai Waki

03-07-2006, 11:40

What in the heck is going on over there? I mean honestly, what 5 year old child seriously considers racism even a matter of subject? Unless of course it was pounded into their heads when they were born.

I've heard of a black sheep before as much as I've heard about a black human, but I've never heard of a black or interacial child being known as a rainbow child...

Philippus Flavius Homovallumus

03-07-2006, 11:40

Yes, totally wrong. As the article says, it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with wool taxes.

The problem lies in our language. The word Black is a colour and you can't leave it as the sole moral property of ethnic Africans. The fact that Black also means negative and "evil" in our culture has to do with our western fear of the night and nothing to do with race.

Atilius

03-07-2006, 11:55

Reminds me of the aide to the mayor of Washington D.C. who was fired in 1999 because he used the word "niggardly". Apparently a number of city workers confused this word with the word ... well, ... with another word.

Fragony

03-07-2006, 12:09

InsaneApache

03-07-2006, 12:23

That's just discriminatory. There should be white soot as well. I feel oppressed now. :laugh4:

Louis VI the Fat

03-07-2006, 12:34

What have sheep got to do with Africans?

What's next? Banning the word 'white elephant' as stereotyping Europeans? Banning chess as incitement to racial hatred?

Some people....:wall:

Fragony

03-07-2006, 12:36

That's just discriminatory. There should be white soot as well. I feel oppressed now. :laugh4:

Maybe we should let an ambassador of every nation in the world leave trough the chimney to achieve true equality with this particular festival :idea2:

Byzantine Mercenary

03-07-2006, 12:51

when i was a child race meant nothing to me it was easy , now im a lot older everyone keeps talking about political correctness, and im worried about offending people by being accidentally racist! if you keep fussing about it, it will only make the kids more concious of it, thats what happened to me. We have to face that we are different from each other and we should be allowed to talk about that without it being considered verging on racism after all everyone is equal but different, (this goes for religions and nations too)

Vladimir

03-07-2006, 14:49

What have sheep got to do with Africans?

What's next? Banning the word 'white elephant' as stereotyping Europeans? Banning chess as incitement to racial hatred?

Some people....:wall:

Perhaps you need political re-education. It's ok to stereotype whites, Christians, white Christian businessmen/lawyers, white French (yes I said it!), and white Christian Ame....well all Americans I guess.

Speaking of white people; what's their problem? Have they gone so limp wristed that they live in constant fear of offending someone? I agree with the Merc: Racism is learned. Kids can be cruel because they are more emotional, but none are born racist.

Avicenna

03-07-2006, 15:22

While they're at it, why not yellow and brown and white as well? Surely only protecting the African race is unfair to all other races?

JAG

03-07-2006, 16:58

Bollocks.

Kanamori

03-07-2006, 17:09

In my opinion, if people would just shut up about how big of a problem racism is, it would mostly go away, and we could all just stop doing stupid things like worrying about a black sheep.

Ianofsmeg16

03-07-2006, 17:17

Bollocks.
I'd like to add to that with the inclusion of....

This article and the world's insane political correctness is...:wall:

English assassin

03-07-2006, 18:04

This sort of thing happens all the time, along with Winterval for Christmas etc. Margaret Hodge MP banned black bin liners when she was leader of islington council. Its all so much easier to play these games than actually doing anything worthwhile.

No surprise it's Oxfordshire either, which is jam packed full of tree hugging lentil eating beardie weirdies IMHO.

Oh no, I'm beardist...

Byzantine Prince

03-07-2006, 18:27

it is rather amusing that you can call white people anything and still not be racist. What's up with that?

Philippus Flavius Homovallumus

03-07-2006, 18:28

Hehe, at 5 december we celebrate 'Sinterklaas' (yes, that is how you got your Santaclaus) who was a has 'zwarte pieten' as helpers, yes zwart means black. Of course an centuries old tradition isn't meant to offend people that just got here, so the helpers should be 'happy' piets from now on. The multicultists somehow never understood that they where black because they were chimney cleaners :laugh4:

Actually Santa Claus is the Spanish for Saint Nicholas, sorry.

Louis VI the Fat, clearly Chess incites racial hatred, my word, when I play I have balck whight veined marble fighting white black veined marble.

I think its true that id you shut up abour racism it mostly goes away. There will always be some suspicion and steriotyping of different cultures but that is fairly innocent and natural and it goes away as soon as you get to know people.

Sasaki Kojiro

03-07-2006, 18:34

Instead of singing “Baa baa, black sheep” as generations of children have learnt to do, toddlers in Oxfordshire are being taught to sing “Baa baa, rainbow sheep”.

So now they're being anti-gay instead ~D

Brilliant! :laugh4:

Fragony

03-07-2006, 18:36

Actually Santa Claus is the Spanish for Saint Nicholas, sorry.

Spain and Holland have a history, and 'Sinterklaas' only comes from Spain in our folklore (he was in fact Turkish). The actual Santaclaus was very much imported by dutch immigrants, just like the christmas tree is an old germanic custom.

Taffy_is_a_Taff

03-07-2006, 18:39

it is rather amusing that you can call white people anything and still not be racist. What's up with that?

honky, you best be quiet

Somebody Else

03-07-2006, 19:05

Hmm... round-eyes... they're strange.

Ianofsmeg16

03-07-2006, 19:07

it is rather amusing that you can call white people anything and still not be racist. What's up with that?
BP, never have truer words come out of your mouth.
This is political Correctness gone mad.:dizzy2:

Fragony

03-07-2006, 19:19

BP, never have truer words come out of your mouth.
This is political Correctness gone mad.:dizzy2:

Nah, this is.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=62018

mystic brew

03-07-2006, 19:41

this is fuss over nothing.
i heard a statement from the people at the nursery this afternoon... and they alter the song lyrics all the time, and refer to the sheep variously as black, white, brown, orange, red, green and so on, and yes, rainbow...

So it's a fun story, but signifies absolutely nothing

Ianofsmeg16

03-07-2006, 19:44

Nah, this is.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=62018
Oh man, I forgot about that, what the heck is this world coming to? :dizzy2:

Sasaki Kojiro

03-07-2006, 19:46

Divinus Arma

03-07-2006, 19:54

In my opinion, if people would just shut up about how big of a problem racism is, it would mostly go away, and we could all just stop doing stupid things like worrying about a black sheep.

I agree. The divide is only increased by screaming about it. "Black leaders" profit from this divide, and so prey on ignorance and seek to inflame the black masses.

I couldn't care less if seomone is balck or white. We should all get EQUAL treatment under the law. Noone should be favored because of race.

I hope our new mostly evil white man supreme court hears an affirmative action case soon enough to destroy it forever!

All we need is Ginsburg to vanish into the liberal lair from whence her wretched self hath slithered.

Avicenna

03-07-2006, 19:55

thrashaholic

03-07-2006, 20:25

Racism is learned. Kids can be cruel because they are more emotional, but none are born racist.

Children are quite possibly the perfect measure of the human brain at it's most pure 'id-like' state, untainted by society and the superego. Interestingly though, a study conducted by the BBC series "child of our time" found children to be inherently racist. They showed children (not just white children either) a series of photographs of other children from varying racial backgrounds and asked them simple questions like: "which is the naughty one?", "which would you most like to play with?", "which is the nicest?" and there was an undeniable trend where bad characteristics were placed on other races and positive characteristics were assigned to their own. This would seem to indicate that racism is natural and, conversely, tolerance is learned.

This trend could perhaps be followed at a societal level too, in that races don't mix except for where our superego and societal pressures tell us we must. For example the movement from white woman/black male relationships being wholly unacceptable to becoming relatively common, whereas black woman/white man relationships are still very rare. I would theorise that this stems from a perception of the ownership of women by men, and the relative strength within the two races: whites are perpetually forced to feel a collective sense of guilt for perceived past wrong doings, one of the repentences of which is to effectively 'give away' our women to those who we supposedly harmed (this could suggest that the femenist movement was in fact, paradoxically, started by white males). No such feeling exists in the black community so there is no such social movement there. These social message is amplified by white dominance of society and especially the media, where black males are often portrayed as the epitome of manliness and perfection (quite the oposite to their portrayal in days gone by) and are often, when pictured in a couple, with a white woman, who are of course portrayed as a paragon of womanly virtue. This subconscious manipulation of white women's minds: encouraging them to find a black partner is what, in my opinion, causes the disparity between volumes of black woman/white male relationships and their opposite, and likewise similar manipulation is what has caused modern perceptions towards racism and ultimately led to the idocy of this song.

InsaneApache

03-07-2006, 20:43

I take it all back.:laugh4:

https://img303.imageshack.us/img303/5567/052105rainbowsheep4mj.th.jpg (https://img303.imageshack.us/my.php?image=052105rainbowsheep4mj.jpg)

Duke of Gloucester

03-07-2006, 20:54

Divinus Arma

03-07-2006, 22:16

Children are quite possibly the perfect measure of the human brain at it's most pure 'id-like' state, untainted by society and the superego. Interestingly though, a study conducted by the BBC series "child of our time" found children to be inherently racist. They showed children (not just white children either) a series of photographs of other children from varying racial backgrounds and asked them simple questions like: "which is the naughty one?", "which would you most like to play with?", "which is the nicest?" and there was an undeniable trend where bad characteristics were placed on other races and positive characteristics were assigned to their own. This would seem to indicate that racism is natural and, conversely, tolerance is learned.

You MUST realize instantly how inderently flawed this study is? Let me ask you this: How would the children studied know what race they themselves are? Hmmm. Right. A mirror coupled with the daily visual of the race of their parents. That is a learned association of self perception, not a natural one.

Racism is still learned.

whites are perpetually forced to feel a collective sense of guilt for perceived past wrong doings, one of the repentences of which is to effectively 'give away' our women to those who we supposedly harmed

This is totally ludicrous. White men are disgusted with the white woman for leaving the race, just as black men are disgusted with the black woman for going to a white man. There is no difference at all here between the races. Your theory is baseless speculative conjecture.

Guilt of ownership? I have no guilt. I owned no slaves and time has passed enough to equal everything out enough. Screw the whole "inheritance" factor. I have no benefits of being white. In fact I am DISADVANTAGED because I am not black- Society has embraced violent black culture, If you look at American youth culture you will see the dominance of black urban culture throughout. Further, Blacks hold advantages in getting jobs and getting and education when compared with economically equivalent white people. Even I was at a disadvantage when compared with rich whities. Guilt, gah. Please.

But thanks for playing. You wrote well.

These social message is amplified by white dominance of society and especially the media, where black males are often portrayed as the epitome of manliness and perfection

This sentence seems to contradict itself.

On a similar vein, I find it amusing that black culture tears down being intelligent as trying to be white. They call Condoleeza Rice a "House N*****".

This subconscious manipulation of white women's minds: encouraging them to find a black partner is what, in my opinion, causes the disparity between volumes of black woman/white male relationships and their opposite, and likewise similar manipulation is what has caused modern perceptions towards racism and ultimately led to the idocy of this song.

Perhaps. Perhaps.

OR maybe it is a grand whitey consipracy to dilute the black race? After all, in mixed children, the tendency is for the melanin to decrease, not increase. Despite this, the offspring of mixed parents view themselves predominantly "black". This percpetion means that the individual will likely seek a black mate. Thus further diluting the overall "blackness" of the race.

OR sexually promiscuous white trash women just seek the myth in genital endowment. Too bad, because it is actually the Finnish who top the list in endowment. Either that or I have some black in my line. lol.

Reverend Joe

03-07-2006, 22:20

"Baa baa, rainbow sheep..."

Heh heh... gay sheep. :jester:

Vladimir

03-07-2006, 22:38

Many black males see white women as trophies or status symbols, so I would disagree with that in depth psychological analysis. A good example can be seen by the vehicles so many urban black males drive. Caprice Classics and other vehicles that resemble police cars to often include details such as spotlights and lack of hubcaps! In some cases I support this though. There is a racist little whitebread town I know of in Tennessee where black males go to pick up white girls, just to piss off the locals. I love it!

Another reason for this is the tendency/stereotype of the fair skinned maiden and the tall dark stranger. I believe that there are strong genetic and (therefore?) cultural reasons for this. Nothing wrong with it but I just hate the competition damnit!

Byzantine Prince

03-08-2006, 00:28

So just in case you guys were wondering this is what a gay sheep looks like:

https://img457.imageshack.us/img457/6457/052105rainbowsheep6vb.jpg

Papewaio

03-08-2006, 00:44

There are black sheep, there are white sheep.

How is it disciminating against black sheep by having a nursery rhyme about them? Isn't the real discrimination happen now that they are being excluded.

This is apartheid nursery rhymes!

Exclusion based on the colour of ones fleece!

I bet the school has been inflitrated by South African's who want to make Britain into another apartheid country.

:dizzy2: :balloon2:

Philippus Flavius Homovallumus

03-08-2006, 12:53

The inherrited guilt thing really pisses me off, I haven't had someone pull it on me yet but if they do they'll get an earful.

As to thw white woman black man thing.

I believe that white women fit Queen Nefatiti's mask better and are therefore mor universally beutiful, but black men are more manly and therefore more attractive.

However the best fit for the mask is someone with a mix of Arabian and white features with African eyes, roughly speaking.

Racism in its purest form is just a prejudice against people that aren't like you, either because they look different or sound different or whatever. Its perfectly natural because anyone who is different from you is a threat to your race, it's genetic survival.

With that in mind the fact that we get along at all is a testimant to our society and our ability to overcome our instints.

Idaho

03-08-2006, 13:03

As someone has pointed out. This is a non-story. Much like the 'Winterval' story. Personally I think the BNP are behind many of these 'pc outrages' and the likes of English Assassin et al go merrily along with it.

InsaneApache

03-08-2006, 13:51

A fascist conspiracy then? :laugh4: You made my day, I havn't laughed as much in ages. :book:

Vladimir

03-08-2006, 17:43

I think this article demonstrates a good point about perception:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,187112,00.html

“I found that racism is very prevalent in everyday society at all levels,” said Sparks, 41, of Atlanta, whose experience as a white man in Los Angeles last summer brought him face-to-face with people who admitted they always wash their hands after shaking hands with a black man.

So some goofballs in LA of all places admit to this, therefore ^.

As opposed to:

“I did not encounter racism," said Marcotulli, 47, of Santa Monica, Calif.,

Even after spending time as a black man for the show, which premieres Wednesday at 10 p.m. ET on FX, Marcotulli thinks conflicts arise between people because of differences that have nothing to do with race.

Perception, both how you perceive actions and how others perceive yours. Culture is the key.

Kralizec

03-08-2006, 18:05

Hehe, at 5 december we celebrate 'Sinterklaas' (yes, that is how you got your Santaclaus) who was a has 'zwarte pieten' as helpers, yes zwart means black. Of course an centuries old tradition isn't meant to offend people that just got here, so the helpers should be 'happy' piets from now on. The multicultists somehow never understood that they where black because they were chimney cleaners :laugh4:

Reference? I never heard anything about 'them' wanting to rename our black peters.
I wouldn't be surprised if there were a couple of potheads advocating just that, but I've never heard of them. It's just to ridiculous.

Duke of Gloucester

03-09-2006, 05:52

Its perfectly natural because anyone who is different from you is a threat to your race, it's genetic survival.

As someone trained in a proper science, you have no idea how much I dislike evolutionary psychology. You can use trivial arguments to explain any behaviour you like. Even contratictory behaviours can be ascribed to evolution for inconsitent reasons. This example is false because anyone is a threat to your genetic survival (except, perhaps, your identical twin) if their children are going to be competing with your children for food and mates. Fear of strangers may be natural, not because they may threaten your genetic purity, such a nonsensical idea, but because they may be a direct threat to you. Racism specifically not natural.

mystic brew

03-09-2006, 12:04

Why alter them at all?

If nothing else your giving kids crazy ideas about the color of sheep :inquisitive:

What about the 'i can see a rainbow song'? that's totally innaccurate but traditional.

and apparantly they altar songs all the time because they want to stimulate the kids... broaden their vocabulary.

Taffy_is_a_Taff

03-09-2006, 13:32

Some things you can't really substitute the colours and have it work the same.

Take the following joke:

What's six foot tall, black and screams alot?
Stevie Wonder answering the iron.

that just wouldn't work if you inserted rainbow instead of black, you'd have to think of an entertaining blind rainbow celebrity. I was also thinking about if you put a white person in that joke instead (changing the colour and the punchline) but the only famous blind white person I could think of is David Blunkett and he's just so dull that the joke doesn't work at all.

I personally think that the blind part of the joke is most offensive,
So I have devised a challenge, PC up that joke without making it less funny than falling off the pavement (you drinkers know what I'm talking about).

Edit: PCed up version,
what's unseen and screams alot? somebody answering the iron in the dark.

better?worse?

mystic brew

03-09-2006, 15:26

well, a lot of childrens rhymes don't make sense anyway.

The point being that regardless of whether we agree with their methods or not, the rhyme wasn't changed for reasons of political correctness.

It was changed to encourage a broader vocabulary... i can see why singing the same song over with different adjectives might help...

maybe the teacher stands at the front and points to a coloured wall chart... It's a non-story. In the past these stories have been backed up by statements from the councils themselves, or the education authorities. This time there is nothing like that.

'Teachers alter traditional rhyme for educational variety purposes' just doesn't have the same ring.

Taffy_is_a_Taff

03-09-2006, 16:01

expanding vocabulary?

I don't remember us ever changing songs to expand vocabulary. My knowledge of words came from reading more than singing.

If it was changed for a non-PC reason it must surely have been done for fun rather than anything else. Unless they had pictures of different coloured sheep to explain what their new vocab meant.

Why didn't they change it to "moo, moo, black cow"? The song doesn't say anything about the sheep being sheared, in fact he sounds more like a wool merchant. They missed the opportunity to increase children's vocabulary with new farm animals. Fools.

mystic brew

03-09-2006, 16:03

surely that's what old mcDonald is for ;)

but i'm glad we agree this isn't pc.

Taffy_is_a_Taff

03-09-2006, 16:08

surely that's what old mcDonald is for ;)

Nah, Old MacDonald is redundant, he needs to up his game or my version of "baa, baa, black sheep" will consign him to the dustbin of nursery rhymes.

InsaneApache

03-09-2006, 16:30

Do you mean a chronologically challenged ethnic Scotsperson who resides in and owns a industrial-agricultural complex...E-I-E-I-O? :inquisitive: :laugh4:

Taffy_is_a_Taff

03-09-2006, 16:44

Do you mean a chronologically challenged ethnic Scotsperson who resides in and owns a industrial-agricultural complex...E-I-E-I-O? :inquisitive: :laugh4:

that's him.

Fragony

03-10-2006, 10:46

Reference? I never heard anything about 'them' wanting to rename our black peters.
I wouldn't be surprised if there were a couple of potheads advocating just that, but I've never heard of them. It's just to ridiculous.

Was a few years ago in Cohen's den the dam. A few organisation of carrotmuchers tried to push this through, but it was widely ignored. Rightfully so, but they should be hanged anyway just for suggesting it.

A.Saturnus

03-23-2006, 21:26

A fascist conspiracy then? :laugh4: You made my day, I havn't laughed as much in ages. :book:

No, just an entirely overblown anti-PC media hype. The whole thing had in fact nothing to do with race until the anti-PC crowd got into it:

The charity group that runs the nurseries, Parents and Children Together, said that changes to the nursery rhyme have nothing to do with race.

In a statement, the group said it has established that the children at the nurseries would now sing a variety of descriptive words so that the rhyme becomes an active one.

The children will be asked to sing "sad," "blue," "pink," "black," "white," "happy," "hopping," and "bouncing" when describing the sheep to encourage the children to extend their vocabulary and use up energy.

http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/14157633.htm
thanks to Dave for this informative link

I guess vocabulary training in a nursery school isn't just as good a story as PC gone mad. Next time you join an anti-PC riot, consider that your media may not be as good as it seems :wall:

Kralizec

03-23-2006, 23:55

I take it all back.:laugh4:

https://img303.imageshack.us/img303/5567/052105rainbowsheep4mj.th.jpg (https://img303.imageshack.us/my.php?image=052105rainbowsheep4mj.jpg)

I clicked on it to get a larger image, so I was taken to the imageshack site. Boy was I tempted when I saw "report this as offensive content" :laugh4:

InsaneApache

03-24-2006, 09:52

"The fact that black is a color appears to be lost on the PC police," wrote Ian McPhedran in a column in the Advertiser, a newspaper in Adelaide, Australia.

In the current climate, "black coffee becomes coffee without milk, the blackboard is now the chalkboard. And forget about the black economy or black-listing anything," he wrote.

I guess vocabulary training in a nursery school isn't just as good a story as PC gone mad. Next time you join an anti-PC riot, consider that your media may not be as good as it seems

That explains it. My car isn't black, it's rainbowed. :sweatdrop:

mystic brew

03-24-2006, 11:20

The children will be asked to sing "sad," "blue," "pink," "black," "white," "happy," "hopping," and "bouncing" when describing the sheep to encourage the children to extend their vocabulary and use up energy.

sorry.
according to the article, 'black' is one of the adjectives they will sing...

once again... this is a non-story. Honestly, the anti-pc lot have just completely gone overborad about nothing.