Captured an Eagle? [Archive]

ivoignob

03-11-2006, 10:45

Dutch_guy

03-11-2006, 13:11

you should be able to capture them if your not a ROman faction...however you probably do need to destroy the entire unit to get the eagle.

Maybe that wasnt the case.

:balloon2:

Garvanko

03-11-2006, 13:51

Get your own first cohort Garvanko! It's cheaper than Praetorian, has quite a large unit size and boosts morale.

I have. But I only trained one unit in Rome, and its going to form part of a major offensive by my Faction Leader against the Scipii in Africa over the next few turns.

x-dANGEr

03-11-2006, 14:08

A few days ago I have beaten three ERE first comitatenses with eagles. Now why didn't I get those eagles? Can you get those only when playing as a roman faction? I am currently playing as the sassanids.
I think they should be sieging one of your cities, then when you sally and beat them and don't let the eagle unit flee (Any man will flee it) you will get an eagle. That's easy to do with Sass, just archer them to death. Then, when they start retreating charge at them.

Mount Suribachi

03-11-2006, 14:28

Wow, never knew you could capture a Legions eagle, pretty cool feature ~:)

It says its taken it to Larissa, does it confer any bonuses? Do they enemy suffer a penalty for losing it?

Avicenna

03-11-2006, 14:38

If the senate are still around they are made to retrieve the Eagle.

x-dANGEr

03-11-2006, 14:39

I think the generals do gets vices for such events (Positive for the captuerer and negative for the one it was captured from).

Garvanko

03-11-2006, 14:44

Wow, never knew you could capture a Legions eagle, pretty cool feature ~:)

It says its taken it to Larissa, does it confer any bonuses? Do they enemy suffer a penalty for losing it?I actually clicked on Larissa to see if it was there!:book: Nothing.

To be honest, Ive pounded the Brutii pretty hard up in Central Europe and Im killing them economy-wise in Greece. Can't see a way back for them.

ivoignob

03-11-2006, 15:30

you should be able to capture them if your not a ROman faction...however you probably do need to destroy the entire unit to get the eagle.

Maybe that wasnt the case.

:balloon2:

To be honest, two of the eagle units were destroyed entirely. Only one unit was able to flee. But as mentioned, the other two had eagles, too. I want those damn eagles!! :furious3:

x-dANGEr

03-11-2006, 15:46

I think they should be sieging one of your cities, then when you sally and beat them and don't let the eagle unit flee (Any man will flee it) you will get an eagle. That's easy to do with Sass, just archer them to death. Then, when they start retreating charge at them.
Read above the cause..

TinCow

03-11-2006, 16:00

Capturing an Eagle does a couple things. First, it is likely to give good traits to the general that does it. A general that captures a few eagles will gain a lot of stars. Second, the city that the eagle is taken to will become a preferrential target of the faction that lost the eagle. In this case, the Brutii AI will give much higher priority to the taking of Larissa than other cities. That said, that won't have any impact if they've got no armies to do it with.

x-dANGEr

03-11-2006, 16:06

So, you can use Eagles to your advantage. Capture one at a specific city, then garrison it to full, all the enemy's armies will focus on it as you march on and take his other cities.

Garvanko

03-11-2006, 17:41

First, it is likely to give good traits to the general that does it. A general that captures a few eagles will gain a lot of stars.You get +1 Command with your Eagle Taker trait.

Viking

03-11-2006, 18:32

To be honest, two of the eagle units were destroyed entirely. Only one unit was able to flee. But as mentioned, the other two had eagles, too. I want those damn eagles!! :furious3:

It`s a bug in the game. Only if you`re lucky, you`ll get them.

ivoignob

03-12-2006, 02:59

Yes, finally I got one :knight:

Philippus Flavius Homovallumus

03-12-2006, 04:05

Its not a bug, it has to do with whether any of the soldiers had their wounds healed. In a battle with 3 1st Cohorts if you take them all down an Eagle is a dead cert.

As to traits, max +3 stars.

Patricius

03-13-2006, 02:50

A late game BI Roman army will tend to have several first cohorts. It is a reliable way of veritable little army of ninja generals. They do not seem massively stronger than other elite units, though with a general nearby they almost seem unkillable, well they take a long time to rout. Defeating an army with them means a higher chance of having the battle commerated on the campaign map as an historic battle, though someone might have said that above.

Cras

03-17-2006, 11:01

I got my first eagle too! It's in my city now.. time to upgrade the walls and get more archery units for defence. let the WRE come!

I am ready! :)

scorillo

03-17-2006, 14:03

very surprising feature....Garvanko are you playing RTW 1.5 ? or 1.3 ?

Viking

03-17-2006, 14:37

Its not a bug, it has to do with whether any of the soldiers had their wounds healed. In a battle with 3 1st Cohorts if you take them all down an Eagle is a dead cert.

What do you mean by that they have healed their wounds? I`m pretty sure I took down three 1st cohorts, with no damage before the battle, and without getting an Eagle.

Garvanko

03-17-2006, 19:29

very surprising feature....Garvanko are you playing RTW 1.5 ? or 1.3 ?
v1.5.

Ive captured a second, and its being held at Lovisce.

Zalmoxis

03-18-2006, 17:52

Wait, no.. I'm confused, do you get an eagle by beating a unit of those type of Romans, or do you send some type of spy in?

Mithras

03-18-2006, 18:13

I think the captured eagle should be a retinue item...like the relics from barbarian invasion with something like an influence boost or something.

It doesnt seem fair that roman factions get banner and everyone else gets left out. It would be cool if every faction had a banner unit.

Ciaran

03-18-2006, 19:08

I think one mod gave eagles to all general units, I believe it was one version of Mundus Magnus. Actually, it made the game almost too easy, since almost every victory where the enemy general was killed gave an eagle (and therefor the eagle-capturing traits)

Alexanderofmacedon

03-18-2006, 20:23

I've never caught an Eagle!:furious3:

:help:

Viking

03-18-2006, 23:33

Wait, no.. I'm confused, do you get an eagle by beating a unit of those type of Romans, or do you send some type of spy in?

You have to kill a 1st cohort unit, it be Marian or Dark Age.

The Spartan (Returns)

03-19-2006, 04:53

can the Senate reward you with a first cohort? (as a roman faction)

Viking

03-19-2006, 11:02

can the Senate reward you with a first cohort? (as a roman faction)

Yes, after you`ve successfully completed a mission, you can be rewarded by either an early legionary, or legionary 1st cohort.

Cras

03-20-2006, 12:57

wow... 2 days ago I captured one eagle in defending my city. Yesterday my all cavalry army (I play the sassanids) captured 2 eagles(!!!) in one battle

It cost me though, those WRE armies are tough to beat....

x-dANGEr

03-20-2006, 14:26

WRE and Sass? You're advanced in the campaign then heh :P

I was wondering, when do you get the 1st Legionary Cohorts in Rome: Total War to train?

Viking

03-20-2006, 14:29

I was wondering, when do you get the 1st Legionary Cohorts in Rome: Total War to train?

Otherwise something has changed, you can only train legionary 1st cohorts in Rome.

Cras

03-20-2006, 15:11

you can train them anywhere as long als you built the super duper barracks..

symball

03-21-2006, 13:32

nope- rome only in R:TW- its in BI that you can train them anywhere (and then you get the differnt names for the legions)

Cras

03-22-2006, 13:51

Ludens

03-22-2006, 20:40

I have one city with a general with a eagle, and one field general with 2 eagles...

what happens when they die of old age? will the eagles pass on? I dont think so, but in real life I would assume so....
Do you mean generals with first cohort units or generals with eagle-taker traits? In the first case, the units will not disapppear if the general dies. In the second case: the eagles are merely symbols. It is the fact that the general captured them that gives him such influence. Because his son has not captured them, he won't get the influence (even though he probably inherited dad's war trophies).

Philippus Flavius Homovallumus

03-23-2006, 00:22

What do you mean by that they have healed their wounds? I`m pretty sure I took down three 1st cohorts, with no damage before the battle, and without getting an Eagle.

Maybe you wiped them all out on the map but if even one soldier is revived by a surgeon after the battle you didn't ge the Eagle.

Cras

03-23-2006, 14:53

revived??? like general hospital stuff...?? you have got to be kidding!

Viking

03-23-2006, 15:39

Maybe you wiped them all out on the map but if even one soldier is revived by a surgeon after the battle you didn't ge the Eagle.

I won the battle; no one can still be alive after a defeat.

Cras

03-23-2006, 16:41

well you have to actually Kill every legionair on the battle field.. if one escapes he might not show up as an army on the map after the battle but it will mean he brought the eagle to safety....

Viking

03-23-2006, 19:15

well you have to actually Kill every legionair on the battle field.. if one escapes he might not show up as an army on the map after the battle but it will mean he brought the eagle to safety....

I killed every legionary I saw. I watched carefully that the entire units were wiped out.

Drusus Magnus

03-24-2006, 17:53

I killed every legionary I saw. I watched carefully that the entire units were wiped out.

If you get the "Enemy Army Routs" message after the battle you should get the eagle, I think.

Well today I captured my first eagle ever, I took it from the Senate as the Julii. I would of waited but I saw they had trained a legionary first cohort and wanted to try and get an eagle! Hurrah. I also exterminated Rome.

Viking

03-24-2006, 19:27

If you get the "Enemy Army Routs" message after the battle you should get the eagle, I think.

Well today I captured my first eagle ever, I took it from the Senate as the Julii. I would of waited but I saw they had trained a legionary first cohort and wanted to try and get an eagle! Hurrah. I also exterminated Rome.

I`m not sure if I did, some time back the actual battles happened. I did capture a couple of Eagles in the same campaign, tho, and I can`t find much difference betwenn the battles.

Congrats anyway with your first eagle capture. ~:cheers:

Ciaran

03-25-2006, 19:36

Viking

03-25-2006, 23:26

You do, however, not get an eagle if you defeat a First Cohort in a siege battle. In my Egypt campaign, the Bruti had two First Cohorts in Thessalonica, so I thought I´d improve the stats of my heir to the throne a bit and besieged Thessalonica with his army. They captured it, alright, but no eagle for me :embarassed:

That could explain my troubles, I don`t think I`ve gotten any eagles after siege battles, but I`ve killled quite a few 1st cohorts in them.

Celt Centurion

04-04-2006, 21:10

I have captured lots of eagles. There have been a few times that I should have gotten one and didn't. I can only imagine that one of those old boys from the First Cohort got away, and I didn't see him.

Last night, I finished a Brutii Campaign. The General which led the thrust to take Rome captured 3 Eagles in successive turns from 3 successive armies. Each turn, the statistics beside him increased in prestige. After the third one, they read, "Eagle Collector".

He was also renamed to (get this)

"Numerius of Eagles." Really, he was. I didn't make it up.

The Generals losing the Eagles didn't have anything to worry about though, because they were killed.

Although there have been many assaults in the other games to take back Eagles, I have not lost any yet. In the recent one, Rome had it's own problems, and didn't have an army to defend Rome AND try to take an Eagle from Capua. Scipii is destroyed, and I have driven the Julii all the way up to Barbarian Country.

I will start another campaign soon.

Strength and Honor,

Celt Centurion

Viking

04-05-2006, 14:18

IHe was also renamed to (get this)

"Numerius of Eagles." Really, he was. I didn't make it up.

I got such a general, too. ~:)

https://img313.imageshack.us/img313/3263/eagletaker3gn.jpg

Drusus Magnus

04-05-2006, 23:17

I got such a general, too. ~:)

https://img313.imageshack.us/img313/3263/eagletaker3gn.jpg

Arcadius of the Eagles, that's a badass name. Arcadius sounds more powerful than Flavius or something. What I'm wondering, though, is how you get to keep him so loyal even with that command rating?

Ciaran

04-06-2006, 08:23

Arcadius, sounds like a demon :inquisitive:
I think capturing all those eagles boosted his command stats, at lest that´s what they do in RTW, so maybe in BI they do so, too.

Viking

04-06-2006, 16:03

Arcadius, sounds like a demon :inquisitive:
I think capturing all those eagles boosted his command stats, at lest that´s what they do in RTW, so maybe in BI they do so, too.

Yes, capturing eagles boosts command stats in BI as well. This guy have three extra command stars thanks to three eagle capturees(sp?). It might be that eagles give extra command stars without reducing loyality.

Reloading my old save, I found that he had a loyality trait and was appointed Magister equitum, such that he should only have a total of 4 loyality points; so he must have been born quite loyal, that`s for sure.

Btw, here is an "updated" screenshot of his stats.

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/9093/arcadiusoftheeaglesnw7ct.jpg

He now has 8 command stars instead of 6, but he`s still equally loyal.

Cras

04-12-2006, 16:27

what happens if they are less loyal? do they turn on you?

Ludens

04-12-2006, 16:32

what happens if they are less loyal? do they turn on you?
In BI both Eastern Roman Empire and Western Roman Empire have a shadow-faction, called Eastern Roman Rebels and Western Roman Rebels. Any rebelling generals or cities will join these factions, taking any units under their command with them. I read somewhere they may occasionally rebel back. Other factions don't have these shadow-factions, so their generals always stay loyal.

Drusus Magnus

04-14-2006, 01:45

In BI both Eastern Roman Empire and Western Roman Empire have a shadow-faction, called Eastern Roman Rebels and Western Roman Rebels. Any rebelling generals or cities will join these factions, taking any units under their command with them. I read somewhere they may occasionally rebel back. Other factions don't have these shadow-factions, so their generals always stay loyal.

The Goths have them too. I think originally the Berbers and the Huns were supposed to have them too, but I think they got deleted ( there are traces of a Moors and White Huns faction, I think ).

On that loyalty thing, I was going for something different in my new Western Empire campaign, and I decided to let Gaul rebel. Within three turns, a massive Western Rebel Empire came up, which revolted back to me entirely in another 4 turns...

Goalie

04-14-2006, 20:35

Does capturing an eagle do anything?

Atilius

04-15-2006, 00:07

I read somewhere they may occasionally rebel back.

I've had this happen. The guy became a WRE rebel and then returned to the fold later on. The funny thing was that in the family tree, his original portrait was blacked out and he got a brand new one when he returned.

The Spartan (Returns)

04-15-2006, 00:34

nope- rome only in R:TW- its in BI that you can train them anywhere (and then you get the differnt names for the legions)

so in BI if you train a comitanses first cohort, it gets a name? (i always wanted to name legions!)

Divine Wind

04-15-2006, 02:31

so in BI if you train a comitanses first cohort, it gets a name? (i always wanted to name legions!)

Yeah it gets named after whatever province is was recruited in for example,

Legio I Macedonia

Then as it progress II, III, IV etc

The Spartan (Returns)

04-15-2006, 03:07

But they dont do that in RTW do they?

scorillo

04-15-2006, 03:34

It will be great if it will be made a simple mod that allows us to name legions in Rome Total War too (just this change,and no other major or small changes)....i mean so many mods maded until now and none to resolve that:no: .If in BI was possible why not in RTW too

player1

04-19-2006, 08:44

The Goths have them too. I think originally the Berbers and the Huns were supposed to have them too, but I think they got deleted ( there are traces of a Moors and White Huns faction, I think ).

No they don't.
For Goths it only happens that first rebeled city will spawn Ostrogoths. And it has nothing to do with loyalty...

After that they are 2 seperate factions in every way.