Does silicon improve a woman?

[Rodion Romanovich]

There was a thread about a girl that blogged to get money for breat implants. In that thread there was a discussion on whether it was right or not of her to do that. I believe the discussion branched into two parts:
1. whether she was entitled to do this surgery if she would feel better with it
2. whether she was pressured by the outside to do it - whether other people would judge her differently and treat her better if she did it.

This poll is about the 2nd part, just out of curiosity I'd like to find out whether such an outer pressure is a myth or a reality. The options are the following:
1. yes
2. they don't look real without clothes, but it might make her sexier with clothes on (loose breasts couldn't have the same effect)
3. they don't look real without clothes, but it might make her sexier with clothes on (but loose breasts could have the same effect)
4. no, it makes her the same, the personality decides everything
5. no, it makes her look uglier, they don't look real
6. gah?

[Moros]

I really don't get what people like about brest implants. It's just ugly to say the least.

[Fragony]

If she feels better she looks better.

[lars573]

I voted yes. I'm a breast man, I don't care if nature or surgery made them so long as they are there.

[LeftEyeNine]

Here's another yes too. However I personally think that silicon improves womanly appeal to some degree, not woman.

[rory_20_uk]

Good ones can look real. Bad ones look like blobs of plastic nailed to the woman's chest.

~:smoking:

[master of the puppets]

they look good with da cloths on but when the shirt comes off its all about teh feel.

[TB666]

I vote "No, it makes her look uglier, they don't look real".
I'm not a breast man but I enjoy the look of real breast more then silicone.
Most of the time it looks like crap.

[Rodion Romanovich]

Damn only 9-8 lead for anti-implants! Well I guess those feminists have a point in that there is an outside pressure...

Plus sad that many have such bad taste, so that women ruin themselves to look less sexy for those who are against implants! :wall:

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Sexy? :no: :wall:

[solypsist]

too much of anything can be bad, so i'd have to examine each on a case by case basis.

[Rodion Romanovich]

too much of anything can be bad, so i'd have to examine each on a case by case basis.
I can examine the non-implanted women for comparison ~:) :2thumbsup: , on a case by case basis :laugh4:

[Viking]

I don`t know...:book: I haven`t seen many women with silicon; or, perhaps I have, but it looked natural. In that case, I`m all for it....with the clothes on, at least.

[Tachikaze]

I once had an online conversation with model Tia Kai and some other guys. She was contemplating getting implants (her breasts are quite small), but we all pretty much talked her out of it.

One of the things that we told her was that she had unique appeal to those who love slim figures and nature breasts. Many of her model friends have implants or naturally large breasts.

I think we also pointed out that the fashion industry often prefers small breasts as well, depending on what's being modeled. The fact that she is Asian (Korean heritage) makes this even more likely, since it's sometimes "expected" by people who favor Asian woman.

Besides, for me, it's gross for a women to have her body chopped up and the muscle tissue of her chest stuffed with plastic. Yuck!

[Samurai Waki]

As long as I don't wake up one morning after getting hammered, and find myself with a pair of huge knockers I'll stay relatively quiet on the issue...gah?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I voted no but she might look better with clothes on, because they would be bigger but then again if they're took big they just look silly.

In general I'm against implants, done well they look real but they'll never feal real. Its like anything fake, touch it and the illusion is shattered.

[Ja'chyra]

Depends on the girl, and the occasion :2thumbsup:

[A.Saturnus]

Legio, please don't take this personally, but I have a number of issues with this poll.

#1 - There are four 'no'-choices and one 'yes'-choice. Bias?

#2 - If anyone would come up with the crazy idea to get silicon inside his or her body, where would be the right place? Silicon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon)

#3 - Did you know that the majority of all breast implants are for recovery? Would you tell a breast cancer patient that she shouldn't get an implant? Isn't it right to say that breast implants are necessary?

#4 - What does "improve" mean anyway? Looking better, more practical to use or higher intrinsic value? If it's the latter, the answer is obviously no, in any other case the wording is problematic.

I voted gah.

[Rodion Romanovich]

Legio, please don't take this personally, but I have a number of issues with this poll.

#1 - There are four 'no'-choices and one 'yes'-choice. Bias?

#2 - If anyone would come up with the crazy idea to get silicon inside his or her body, where would be the right place? Silicon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon)

#3 - Did you know that the majority of all breast implants are for recovery? Would you tell a breast cancer patient that she shouldn't get an implant? Isn't it right to say that breast implants are necessary?

#4 - What does "improve" mean anyway? Looking better, more practical to use or higher intrinsic value? If it's the latter, the answer is obviously no, in any other case the wording is problematic.

I voted gah.

Not deliberately biased. The poll is meant to find out if there exists a pressure on women to get implants to get advantages with men and other things (such as becoming a celebrity, which should indirectly be somewhat correlated to if it has advantages with men). The third option for instance is a partial yes, but says that it could be achieved in another way, even though it's formulated as a no etc. So I'd say there are options covering most answers I could think of. However the question is unclear, as your point 3 points out. I meant implants for purely aesthetical reasons when there's no disease. As for improve I meant general successfulness and how high regard she'll be held in by others. Improve was of course a bad choice of word... :wall: Hopefully most people understood so the poll doesn't give the wrong results...

[Just A Girl]

Fake sux.
they look dumb.
and i just laugh anytime a woman pulls out here new breats to show off.
"yeah real sexy.. Now put those things away "

[A.Saturnus]

Not deliberately biased. The poll is meant to find out if there exists a pressure on women to get implants to get advantages with men and other things (such as becoming a celebrity, which should indirectly be somewhat correlated to if it has advantages with men). The third option for instance is a partial yes, but says that it could be achieved in another way, even though it's formulated as a no etc. So I'd say there are options covering most answers I could think of. However the question is unclear, as your point 3 points out. I meant implants for purely aesthetical reasons when there's no disease. As for improve I meant general successfulness and how high regard she'll be held in by others. Improve was of course a bad choice of word... :wall: Hopefully most people understood so the poll doesn't give the wrong results...

Ok, let´s also hope most people understood you meant silicone (those who know the difference).
The problem I have with the unequal number of choices is that while 'no' leaves much room for differenciation, 'yes' is all inclusive. But I could imagine a number of varying degrees of 'yes'. For example: "yes, if it increases her well-being". But of course, that has also to do with the unclearity of "improve".

[Big_John]

Ok, let´s also hope most people understood you meant silicone (those who know the difference).haha, yeah.. those new age chicks that hang quartz crystals from their necks creep me out.. (of course that would be silica :thinking:)

anyway, the answer to the original question depends on the woman. however, most breast implants that i have seen, i didn't care for, because they didn't look natural, which is more important for me.

[Ja'chyra]

As the old saying goes

"You don't look at the mantlepiece when poking the fire"

Take that as you will

[AggonyDuck]

Well personally I find that there's something about the shape of fake breasts that does look quite nice, provided that they're not too big of course.
But there's just the problem that they're fake. That somehow ruins it for me. :dizzy2:

Actually seeing that the question is about silicon improving a woman the answer is definately no. It might improve the esthetic look of her breasts, but it doesn't improve the woman in any way.

[Phatose]

I voted no, they make her look bad. I like breasts that move like breasts, not like old jello. And I am a breast man. I just like motion more then stills.

[Rodion Romanovich]

Ok, let´s also hope most people understood you meant silicone (those who know the difference).
The problem I have with the unequal number of choices is that while 'no' leaves much room for differenciation, 'yes' is all inclusive. But I could imagine a number of varying degrees of 'yes'. For example: "yes, if it increases her well-being". But of course, that has also to do with the unclearity of "improve".

Oh, but this poll was about the second part of the issue: whether there's an outer pressure on the woman to do the surgery, the other part being whether it's good/right/etc. for her to do it because of other reasons such as well-being etc. I was merely trying to find out if there was an outer pressure, if there isn't any it's good because it's up to the individual to decide whether or not to do the surgery.

[Ronin]

silicone can be an improvement for some women if it's not overdone......


of course this just a general rule.....case by case verification is required....It's a tough job, but i'd be willing to do it for the common good :laugh4: no uggos please :2thumbsup:

[A.Saturnus]

Oh, but this poll was about the second part of the issue: whether there's an outer pressure on the woman to do the surgery, the other part being whether it's good/right/etc. for her to do it because of other reasons such as well-being etc. I was merely trying to find out if there was an outer pressure, if there isn't any it's good because it's up to the individual to decide whether or not to do the surgery.

Define "outer pressure". Humans are social animals, what they do must be placed in a social context. Do you presuppose that she doesn't care for herself about her breasts but has consciously considered that bigger breasts might be useful? Most people want to consider themselves attractive and what they find attractive is a consequence of socialisation.
The question whether there is pressure on the woman to do the surgery can already be answered. Yes, there is, otherwise she wouldn't intend to do it (assumed that she actually wants it and all that isn't just a joke). The next question is what caused that pressure.

I know, you asked a question and you just wanted an answer and maybe you think I'm making it needlessly complicated. But the question of attractiveness and what people do for it and why is a complicated one. More complicated than most realize. Most people answering in this thread simply say whether they find it attractive or not. Is that really informative?
Maybe that's what you want to know but at least lets not be to quick with evaluations beyond the pure asthetical.

[Rodion Romanovich]

Maybe that's what you want to know but at least lets not be to quick with evaluations beyond the pure asthetical.

Yes, that's exactly what I wanted to find out. Whether women feeling men will think they're more attractive if they do the surgery are basing that assumption on an incorrect judgement of reality or not. Apparently the poll results show that it isn't considered an aesthetical improvement in most cases. I personally thought, before making the poll, that it would turn out the other way, and I believe many actresses and managers and others also have believed this, despite it being incorrect, and that misconception is probably why these surgeries are common among celebrities. When I made this poll I was under that belief, but had received indications that that belief might have been a misconception, and it turned out to be.

[A.Saturnus]

Yes, that's exactly what I wanted to find out. Whether women feeling men will think they're more attractive if they do the surgery are basing that assumption on an incorrect judgement of reality or not. Apparently the poll results show that it isn't considered an aesthetical improvement in most cases. I personally thought, before making the poll, that it would turn out the other way, and I believe many actresses and managers and others also have believed this, despite it being incorrect, and that misconception is probably why these surgeries are common among celebrities. When I made this poll I was under that belief, but had received indications that that belief might have been a misconception, and it turned out to be.

Would you seriously conclude from this poll alone that breast size has nothing to do with how attractive women are perceived?
Don't conclude that too prematurely. The people you asked are a select group and your poll doesn't stand up to scientific standards. But even more important, it is not certain that people answering here are perfectly honest.
A better, but probably unattainable way would to show people photos of women and ask them how attractive they find them.

[Rodion Romanovich]

Would you seriously conclude from this poll alone that breast size has nothing to do with how attractive women are perceived?

Obviously not, the poll was about silicone surgery for breast enlargement, not about large vs small breasts in general.



But even more important, it is not certain that people answering here are perfectly honest.

Why wouldn't they? It's a non-public poll with hidden answers.



A better, but probably unattainable way would to show people photos of women and ask them how attractive they find them.

Do that if you like, but I don't have the time and sufficient interest in the matter to do that. I think this poll was enough for my needs, and I've found out that it's not odd or unusual to think silicone surgery gives an unnatural look and isn't very aesthetical, but that there are plenty of people, in one or more groups they form the majority, who agree with me.

[A.Saturnus]

Obviously not, the poll was about silicone surgery for breast enlargement, not about large vs small breasts in general.

But breast implants are about large breasts in general. Women don't do surgery because they think breast implants are attractive but because they think bigger breasts are attractive. Which might not be a misconception, inspite of your poll. To be realistic choice #2 should rather have won. I assume the answers reflect more attitude than asthetic preference.


Why wouldn't they? It's a non-public poll with hidden answers.

That doesn't exclude self-deceit. There are various sources of bias. As I said, I think people give attitude answers instead of truthfully answering the question.

[Rodion Romanovich]

But breast implants are about large breasts in general. Women don't do surgery because they think breast implants are attractive but because they think bigger breasts are attractive. Which might not be a misconception, inspite of your poll.

Yes, that's exactly what I mean



To be realistic choice #2 should rather have won. I assume the answers reflect more attitude than asthetic preference [...]
That doesn't exclude self-deceit. There are various sources of bias. As I said, I think people give attitude answers instead of truthfully answering the question.

Exactly, but in this particular case, if people self-deceit themselves to think breast implants aren't aesthetical, then it's the same thing as if they thought they weren't aesthetical.

[A.Saturnus]

Yes, that's exactly what I mean


Are you sure? It contradicts what you said before.


Exactly, but in this particular case, if people self-deceit themselves to think breast implants aren't aesthetical, then it's the same thing as if they thought they weren't aesthetical.

I disagree. That's an important difference.

[Rodion Romanovich]

Are you sure? It contradicts what you said before.

Maybe, but then it's the lack of skills in the English language of either or both of us.


I disagree. That's an important difference.

I don't think you're understanding my purpose for making this poll. In any case, my lack of English language skills aside, I'm 100% sure that it has filled the function it was supposed to fill as far as I'm concerned. The question I wanted the aswer to was derived indirectly from the question asked, and is not the same as the question asked. No matter the scientific correctness of the poll I've gotten the answer to the question I wanted answered. The most likely misalignment of poll answers that might have occured in the poll is in the direction opposite to the one that would make my conclusion (which I haven't mentioned and don't intend to mention) incorrect. There are of course several scientific incorrectnesses in the poll (both mentioned and not mentioned ones) but that wasn't something I needed to consider for my purposes of the poll. I hope this explains my answers and answers your remaining questions.

[A.Saturnus]

Ok, I didn't mean to annoy you. Good, if this poll fulfilled its purpose. It is just that it is easy to draw several premature conclusions from a poll like this, that's why I posted my concerns.