What is your Religion: Part II

[mystic brew]

well said, Haruchai.

[GoreBag]

I agree. We want our children to be healthy. But God does not externally intervene just as BM so eloquently explained. He only intervenes internally as I explained.

Nah, mang, you do. Credit given where credit is due: you're the one who understands the logic of such an argument; you're the one who can force yourself to believe it when your child dies of some terrible malady.

[Byzantine Mercenary]

Nah, mang, you do. Credit given where credit is due: you're the one who understands the logic of such an argument; you're the one who can force yourself to believe it when your child dies of some terrible malady.
it stikes me your complaining about the glass only being 99.9% full, give some credit for the magority of children who do not die but live happy and contented lives, give some credit that you have survived this long in a harsh world, you could just have easyly been living like the magority of our species did as part of a tribal group a time when a lot more children died...

[GoreBag]

it stikes me your complaining about the glass only being 99.9% full, give some credit for the magority of children who do not die but live happy and contented lives, give some credit that you have survived this long in a harsh world, you could just have easyly been living like the magority of our species did as part of a tribal group a time when a lot more children died...

It strikes me you're confused in some way, because that made no sense at all.

[Byzantine Mercenary]

huh? why always the same questions i anser again and again but still the same questions, all i was saying was that you are focussing on a tiny part of the world and forgetting all the good stuff out there and as i said before ON THIS THREAD!

(when asked why a child should be allowed to die)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Mercenary
It is a good question that is often asked of religious people in the end it all comes down to freedom imagine you had a body guard escorting you everywhere and stopping anything that they dissaproved of even when you didn't understand why, there is so much in the world that god does not like more then we could ever know they are all taken seriously if god were to interfere with one then god would have to interfere with the rest too.

Freedom would be almost nonexistant and many would find existance intorerable. So, say a child dies, you blame god for not stopping this in so doing you don't have to worry about the real cause of this childs death but the fact is that the child died for a reason i.e. there was a factor that caused it to happen there are two groups of such factors the man made and the natural, a natural cause is part of the very reason we are here and so the suffering caused by it is a bi product of the way the universe works and so should be balanced out if not outweighed by the good that comes of the natural world (there is probably more of this then we will ever know too) or the event was caused directly or indirectly by man, in which case god did intervene but instead of giving mankind a fish he taught him to fish (i.e. he taught us how to live best without harming others) so he has in fact intervened.

Do you wan't to be controlled? any intervention is control and im sure you yourself know that by helping one person another can be indirectly harmed, (e.g. letting a man in line in front of you at a sandwhich shop, i kind act, untill, because you intervened he leaves the shop earlyer just as Franz Ferdinand goes by!)

This is the best explanation i can give at two in the morning!

Edit: 400 posts!

[GoreBag]

You've evidently misinterpreted my post.

[Byzantine Mercenary]

You've evidently misinterpreted my post.
what were you saying then? :inquisitive:

[GoreBag]

what were you saying then? :inquisitive:

I was refuting Divinus Arma's argument for the idea of 'internal intervention'.

[Byzantine Mercenary]

so how come you think it was inncorrect of my to challenge you on that, by pointing out that you are concentrateing on the minority of bad things in life?

[GoreBag]

Because the comment was impertinent. I just gave you the benefit of the doubt, thinking that no one would write about the number of living children in response to my posts if one had really been following them.

[Byzantine Mercenary]

Because the comment was impertinent. I just gave you the benefit of the doubt, thinking that no one would write about the number of living children in response to my posts if one had really been following them.
i was not being inpertinant, i was challengeing your argument, i was trying to show how you were focussing on the negative and how you were wrong to say that such an idea is so illogical that you would have to force yourself to believe it, if you had been following my posts you would see that i have said many similar statements on intervention and was merely responding to an argument against this idea, rather then trying to intrude on an argument.

[GoreBag]

i was not being inpertinant, i was challengeing your argument, i was trying to show how you were focussing on the negative and how you were wrong to say that such an idea is so illogical that you would have to force yourself to believe it, if you had been following my posts you would see that i have said many similar statements on intervention and was merely responding to an argument against this idea, rather then trying to intrude on an argument.

I was following DA's posts. I wasn't 'focussing on the negative'; I was using the example provided by Divinus Arma is argument. The number of children who aren't suffering really has no bearing on it at all.

[Byzantine Mercenary]

I was following DA's posts. I wasn't 'focussing on the negative'; I was using the example provided by Divinus Arma is argument. The number of children who aren't suffering really has no bearing on it at all. well, what about this then, would it be as hard to reconcile the many good events that happen in you life with the nonintervention argument?