View Full Version : Where to invade next - the American People decide!
Ordinary Americans plan next invasion (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2587661313510275113)
Be afraid, be very afraid :laugh4:
R'as al Ghul
03-13-2006, 10:49
Wow, I didn't know that France and Iran are neighbours on the Australian continent. :inquisitive:
I guess you learn sth new every day.
Best reasons to attack at all: "They were our allies" and "They're trouble". :laugh4:
R'as al Ghul
03-13-2006, 10:56
Leave it to Idaho to take something that was clearly made in a humerous context as something sound for political exploitation.
You can clearly see that both the Englishman speaking in the background and most of the people being interviewed are not at all being serious.
Is this addressed at me?
I don't know where you read political exploitation in my post.
Kanamori
03-13-2006, 11:00
This is why America needs to die! die! die! Collect all of their children and burn them! Burn them!
Why do you hate America so much?!?!:dizzy2:
Leave it to Idaho to take something that was clearly made in a humerous context as something sound for political exploitation.
You can clearly see that both the Englishman speaking in the background and most of the people being interviewed are not at all being serious.
It was obviously made to scare the world. The people who seem so willing to engage in violence also seem to be the people with absolutely no idea about the planet they live on.
Well go and be offended with your countrymen. I didn't make them say that stuff!
|OCS|Virus
03-13-2006, 12:11
LoL, now that was funny! I'm not inclined to believe that they were serious when they did this, but if I later found out for sure that they were serious, it wouldn't suprise me to horribly. But lighten up, it looks to me like a joke. Or maybe they were serious either way it got me laughing.:laugh4:
No, you're just presenting it as "fact" in order to make a petty politically-motivated point.
It's clearly not serious. Clearly the majority of those people are not only joking, but are in fact being persuaded to say something downright silly. Either that, or the crew doing the documentary deliberately went out to find the dumbest Americans in london and decided to present them as "The American People."
It's Bullshit. It's hate-mongering bullshit.
Well it seems that you not only need to work on your sense of humour but need to work on your geography a bit better too. The presenter is Australian and the location is obviously not London but somewhere in the US.
I'm sorry but thinking Tasmania is South Korea and Australia is North Korea is :laugh4:
mystic brew
03-13-2006, 14:15
tee-hee... that was funny.
Reminded me of Chris Morris 'day-today' era stuff.
he used to have a segment called 'speak your brains'.
:2thumbsup:
InsaneApache
03-13-2006, 14:23
tee-hee... that was funny.
Reminded me of Chris Morris 'day-today' era stuff.
he used to have a segment called 'speak your brains'.
:2thumbsup:
The new drug called 'cake' was very funny as well. :2thumbsup:
mystic brew
03-13-2006, 14:34
(Cake: "I need my knees to feel like they've been on a fortnight's bad balloon ride"? :laugh4: )
yeah, the point being that put someone with a microphone on the street and you can get people to say almost anything...
note that the question was 'where should we invade next?' not 'do you think we should invade somewhere, if so, where?'
Ordinary Americans plan next invasion (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2587661313510275113)
Be afraid, be very afraid :laugh4:
One can find idiots wherever one decides to look for them.
It seems if you wish to believe this as factual evidence of anything then you fall into that same catergory in which the film maker went after.
:dizzy2:
As a humor piece about how idiotic some people can be or made to be on film it is rather humorous.
One can find idiots wherever one decides to look for them.
It seems if you wish to believe this as factual evidence of anything then you fall into that same catergory in which the film maker went after.
:dizzy2:
As a humor piece about how idiotic some people can be or made to be on film it is rather humorous.
I'd have to agree with that. I am certain that if I were to go out and ask people at random here I would find some that magically confuse Australia with, say, Canada or whatnot.
It's a humorous piece and proof only that you can find stupid people anywhere you go.
Quid
One can find idiots wherever one decides to look for them.
It seems if you wish to believe this as factual evidence of anything then you fall into that same catergory in which the film maker went after.
:dizzy2:
As a humor piece about how idiotic some people can be or made to be on film it is rather humorous.
And that's the closest Redleg will ever get to taking a joke :2thumbsup:
Geoffrey S
03-13-2006, 16:45
Looks like Australia's gonna get it.
Leave it to Idaho to take something that was clearly made in a humerous context as something sound for political exploitation.
Trying to find the politics in Idaho's first post... nope, looks like you were the first to bring that into the equation.
Linky. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=61679)
InsaneApache
03-13-2006, 16:49
About ten years ago, when I had my boutique in Leeds, I had two girls who worked for me. One was an A level student, the other was, well quite frankly a chav, although a very nice girl.
The A level girl, who btw had an O level in history, had no idea what had happened in England in 1066 or 1215!!!
The other one, after I'd been on holiday in Lagos, thought that Portugal was, quote, "Just south of Sheffield". Although technically correct (It is virtually due south.) she meant that it was 'somewhere' in Yorkshire. :dizzy2:
She also couldn't grasp that the USA was a different country. She was a big Buffy fan and would have none of it.
'But they speak English!' she kept saying.
Quiet days were often a struggle with those two with me. :embarassed:
Geoffrey S
03-13-2006, 16:55
It's by no means even nearly as dumb, but one of my friends revealed her ignorance of geography when I said I was going to Lisbon for the weekend; "Why are you going to France?" :wall:
Strike For The South
03-13-2006, 17:40
I say we invade Idaho Commie nazis. Idaho thats in the middle east right?
And that's the closest Redleg will ever get to taking a joke :2thumbsup:
You really have no clue do you? :dizzy2:
I say we invade Idaho Commie nazis. Idaho thats in the middle east right?
No commie nazis in Idaho, mostly just rasict facist and idoitic potato farmers.
And its not in the Middle-East its somewhere near Moscow.
http://www.yclusa.org/ezimagecatalogue/catalogue/variations/152-200x200.jpg
I say you stop by Vietnam....surprise the hell out of those people!
:bow: ohhhhhh you make movie?
:knight: not this time pal!
Well go and be offended with your countrymen. I didn't make them say that stuff!
You know it's fake right? CNNN is a parody news show. Good lord, I cant believe people's memories are so bad- how long ago was it that someone posted this video here? It couldnt have been that long, 6 months maybe?
Of course, you had the same predictable reactions then too- "oh look how dumb Americans are" :no:
Alexanderofmacedon
03-13-2006, 19:00
No, you're just presenting it as "fact" in order to make a petty politically-motivated point.
It's clearly not serious. Clearly the majority of those people are not only joking, but are in fact being persuaded to say something downright silly. Either that, or the crew doing the documentary deliberately went out to find the dumbest Americans in london and decided to present them as "The American People."
It's Bullshit. It's hate-mongering bullshit.
You can have a sence of humor you know...
I live in America too...
Tachikaze
03-13-2006, 19:28
Uh-huh.. I live in America. So by proxy I come into contact with Americans every day. I can assure you, most have a sense of basic geography. There's a reason we have the top science and math institutions in the world, there's a reason people come here for the best that medical science has to offer, and there's a reason we have more high-quality universities than any other nation in the world.
I am genuinely offended by the trash in the first post.
I live in the United States (I'm not sure which part of America you live in--Chile? Venezuela? Canada?)
While it's true that the US produces among the finest scientists, engineers, and computer programmers in the world, they are counterbalanced by a remarkably ignorant populous. The US, as in most other areas, is a nation of extremes.
I taught an advanced history course in highschool. These were the finest history students in the school. I gave a pop geography quiz on the first day of class to check prior knowledge. The test had the basic landforms, like the six continents, the peninsulas of Europe and the Middle East, the four oceans, and a dot for the city of San Diego, where the school is located.
I think 5 of the 25 students got them all correct. About 5 more made an acceptable number of mistakes. Another 5-8 did rather poorly, but only embarassing for an advanced class. The rest had only a couple correct. One had two answers: North America and South America. Unfortunately, she labeled them reversed.
I think someone being "genuinely offended" must be defensive about the US due to embarrassment. If the satire portrayed in the video weren't realistic, an American would be truly vexed at why anyone would make the joke. Being offended is an admission that the video was painfully accurate.
Kanamori
03-13-2006, 21:13
I think the premise that they're attempting to answer correctly is proven false when someone mislables North and South America. I'm pretty sure most second graders would be up to the task...
Louis VI the Fat
03-13-2006, 21:58
About ten years ago, when I had my boutique in Leeds, I had two girls who worked for me. One was an A level student, the other was, well quite frankly a chav, although a very nice girl.
The A level girl, who btw had an O level in history, had no idea what had happened in England in 1066 or 1215!!!
The other one, after I'd been on holiday in Lagos, thought that Portugal was, quote, "Just south of Sheffield". Although technically correct (It is virtually due south.) she meant that it was 'somewhere' in Yorkshire. :dizzy2:
She also couldn't grasp that the USA was a different country. She was a big Buffy fan and would have none of it.
'But they speak English!' she kept saying.
Quiet days were often a struggle with those two with me. :embarassed:Lovely story!
But pray tell us what convinced you to surround yourself with two intellectually useless young lassies - did they posses some other 'great' qualities that you've left unmentioned? :sneaky:
Sasaki Kojiro
03-13-2006, 22:48
Leave it to Idaho to take something that was clearly made in a humerous context as something sound for political exploitation.
Dude, he has a laughing smiley in his post. You're the one who seems to have missed the humorous context.
solypsist
03-13-2006, 22:52
an invasion of washington dc is very overdue
InsaneApache
03-13-2006, 23:00
Lovely story!
But pray tell us what convinced you to surround yourself with two intellectually useless young lassies - did they posses some other 'great' qualities that you've left unmentioned? :sneaky:
What do you think? :laugh4:
an invasion of washington dc is very overdue
Too late, the Republicans have already accomplished that.
Uh-huh.. I live in America. So by proxy I come into contact with Americans every day. I can assure you, most have a sense of basic geography. There's a reason we have the top science and math institutions in the world, there's a reason people come here for the best that medical science has to offer, and there's a reason we have more high-quality universities than any other nation in the world.
I am genuinely offended by the trash in the first post.
Yep because you can afford to build the research facility’s and other.
Belgium technology is constantly being bought by America.
To be honest ,I’ve heard some negative things about the American school system.
And from people who experienced it by the way.
Soulforged
03-14-2006, 00:40
No commie nazis in Idaho, mostly just rasict facist and idoitic potato farmers.
And its not in the Middle-East its somewhere near Moscow.How was that Red? Remember: saying that someone is a bigot demostrates how bigot one can be, right? :laugh4: :oops:
About the article, pretty funny. Though this is clearly a joke it doesn't mean that many americans actually think serious of this kind of subjects.
The school system is awful, only in the sense that it does not coddle you. Schools in America build social character, not academic character. Whether that's good or not is in the eye of the beholder. If one wants to get a real education they actually have to seek it out and grab it.
Clarify that for me will you?
What you do then when you want a descent (academic) education?
And are you talking about high-school ore univ?
solypsist
03-14-2006, 03:03
i have to fight the urge to get out my hip waders everytime i read a GC post.
The school system is awful, only in the sense that it does not coddle you. Schools in America build social character, not academic character. Whether that's good or not is in the eye of the beholder. If one wants to get a real education they actually have to seek it out and grab it.
we all know the learning of social character results in methods to pay the bills. :juggle2:
Tribesman
03-14-2006, 03:14
Well it seems that you not only need to work on your sense of humour but need to work on your geography a bit better too. The presenter is Australian and the location is obviously not London but somewhere in the US.
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
I wonder GC , were you featured on the sketch ?
It may explain why you are so upset that it was posted here again .
Crazed Rabbit
03-14-2006, 03:27
Sheesh. Some people of a certain disposition seem to think that Americans are the only ones in the world who are stupid, that Europe is entirely populated by people who would never make such a mistake.
The video is a joke, and was posted here about six moths ago. Now it seems like good ole boy Idaho is using a joke video to make fun of Americans.
I'll admit there are some people in the US who don't have the best understanding of geography, but there are stupid people in every country.
i have to fight the urge to get out my hip waders everytime i read a GC post.
Don't want to get your expensive pants wet in the sea of logic?
Crazed Rabbit
How was that Red? Remember: saying that someone is a bigot demostrates how bigot one can be, right? :laugh4: :oops:
Typical inability to understand the joke about the state of Idaho. Do a little research about the extremist groups that are in that area of the United States. Give you a hint the Aryan Nations used to have a yearly parade in one of the towns in Idaho.
We were fighting a fire once in that part of the country, and the Forest Service stated that if the fire goes into this particlur area - they were not going to attempt to fight it within that area. (That should give you a hint about what type of group was within that area.)
Attempting to use my words against me when you have no concept nor understanding of what is being stated, only makes you look foolish. :laugh4:
mystic brew
03-14-2006, 03:33
by joke, do you mean that the people featured are all actors?
Don Corleone
03-14-2006, 03:42
Has it ever dawned on the rest of you that the reason we Americans are so poor at geography is that we don't waste our time learning about insignificant tracts of land that don't produce. Oops, wait, was that out loud? :oops:
All kidding aside, Americans' geography skills are poor. Languages aren't all that great either. Our education system is pretty poor because it's unionized and according to the union, you can't actually force them to teach anything, it's against their contract. :no:
Personally, I don't know which I found funnier... the video itself (it was good) or Idaho's injudicious decision to use it as a basis for his opinions of actual American geographical knowledge. Hehehe. Idaho man, don't ever change. You kill me. :laugh4:
Papewaio
03-14-2006, 03:54
Well I think Little Britain is pretty accurate about umm Britain... :gah:
Tachikaze
03-14-2006, 07:44
I think the US schools are fine. In some ways, like teaching critical thinking, they exceed the schools of many other countries. It's the homelife of the students that makes them uneducated. They get little or no support. In fact, I've personally seen many situations where the parents were not only not helpful, but detrimental to their children's education. I've also seen families where the children are more mature and have more knowledge than the parents.
Mexican, Korean, and Japanese families are extremely supportive of their children's educations. They pretty much turn their home into an educational environment. The best US parents do the same, but, sadly, this is far from the norm. The norm is, "If my television is bothering your studying, go to the library or something!"
I think the US schools are fine. In some ways, like teaching critical thinking, they exceed the schools of many other countries. It's the homelife of the students that makes them uneducated. They get little or no support. In fact, I've personally seen many situations where the parents were not only not helpful, but detrimental to their children's education. I've also seen families where the children are more mature and have more knowledge than the parents.
Generalization after generalization. Must be a crappy place where you live. You really need to get out and tour the nation some more. I wonder why my child gets decent grades if all us parents are so bad.
Mexican, Korean, and Japanese families are extremely supportive of their children's educations. They pretty much turn their home into an educational environment. The best US parents do the same, but, sadly, this is far from the norm. The norm is, "If my television is bothering your studying, go to the library or something!"
Stuck on hating whitey without even knowning why would be the sterotypical generalization in response to your comments here.
Your stuck in sterotypical generalization of one are of the United States. Hell again making generalizations of this type why in the hell do you still live in the United States if your stuck on the negative aspects of your daily life.
Hell I have lived in 10 different states - and not once have a seen the bleak sterotype your attempting to protray as the norm. Its out there - but not as bad as your attempting to paint here. You might want to get out of the city and go visit the rural areas of this country. They might not be the intellectual snobs that you want Americans to be, but they are the non-caring of their children as you wish to paint.
Tachikaze
03-14-2006, 18:21
Redleg, some of your response isn't very rational.
Stuck on hating whitey
I didn't complain about white European or South American parents. I didn't say that the parents that I was complaining about are white. Perhaps they are black or some other ethnic group. I chose to contrast with Koreans, Japanese, and Mexicans because those are three of the four other nations I feel myself experienced enough to judge. I accidentally left out Peru, which I would have included.
Generalization after generalization. Must be a crappy place where you live. You really need to get out and tour the nation some more. I wonder why my child gets decent grades if all us parents are so bad.
I have been to many parts of the country. Not only that, keep in mind that the great majority of San Diegans were not born here, but come from all over the nation. And I guess I have to [sigh] say, once again, that an observation of a society doesn't mean that all members of that society have the same traits. I shouldn't have to mention that every time. Social discussions often must include generalizations. There are recognizable trends in all societies.
Even if only half of the US population are poor parents, it's still a crisis. If you're personally a good parent, you can feel special.
It's funny that you don't seem to complain about generalizations of other cultures as much as your own.
Rural people may be more selfless in their childrearing (let's hope so). However, if urban parenting is worse, we're still talking about a majority of the US population.
The divorce rate in the US is about 56% of married couples. Most of them have children. The effects on those children are usually deep, painful, and lead to lifelong emotional troubles, including bitterness, self-esteem problems, feelings of extreme personal guilt, and authority issues that affect their learning. Also, having a single parent generally means that they have less parental interaction.
The US is in crisis. I wish I could say otherwise, but I see it everywhere I go. I see it in the schools; I see it on the trains and buses; I see it in the politics; I see it in the workplace; I see it in traffic. Other people sense this crisis, even if they aren't admitting it exists. The recent religious fervor is a symptom of it. If they would only analyse the problems objectively and take the bitter pills that could improve the situation, rather than running into a church and throwing reactionary politics at the problems, something could be done.
The US needs to go through a 12-step program. I believe the first step is acknowledgement.
Redleg, some of your response isn't very rational.
Stuck on hating whitey
Its as rational as your post.
I didn't complain about white European or South American parents. I didn't say that the parents that I was complaining about are white. Perhaps they are black or some other ethnic group. I chose to contrast with Koreans, Japanese, and Mexicans because those are three of the four other nations I feel myself experienced enough to judge. I accidentally left out Peru, which I would have included.
And I would say your experience is lacking. You might want to check out the Hispanic gangs that hang around LA, San Diego, the border areas, Phoenix, Dallas, San Antonio and about every other major city. Or how about the Japanese gangs that are visible in the SeaTac area of Washington. All have problems. It seems you have disenfrancied yourself from your neighbors
Generalization after generalization. Must be a crappy place where you live. You really need to get out and tour the nation some more. I wonder why my child gets decent grades if all us parents are so bad.
I have been to many parts of the country. Not only that, keep in mind that the great majority of San Diegans were not born here, but come from all over the nation. And I guess I have to [sigh] say, once again, that an observation of a society doesn't mean that all members of that society have the same traits. I shouldn't have to mention that every time. Social discussions often must include generalizations. There are recognizable trends in all societies.
Generalizations are sterotypes and are often the groundwork for racist and bigotary.
Even if only half of the US population are poor parents, it's still a crisis. If you're personally a good parent, you can feel special.
Tsk Tsk - your fail again.
It's funny that you don't seem to complain about generalizations of other cultures as much as your own.
You would be incorrect - mention a generalization of another culture and I would inform you that your are generalizing that culture. I guess you have missed a few threads about muslims and the Islamic culture.
Rural people may be more selfless in their childrearing (let's hope so). However, if urban parenting is worse, we're still talking about a majority of the US population.
Again incorrect - 300 million people in the United States - I am willing to bet that half live in the rural - small town environment
The divorce rate in the US is about 56% of married couples. Most of them have children. The effects on those children are usually deep, painful, and lead to lifelong emotional troubles, including bitterness, self-esteem problems, feelings of extreme personal guilt, and authority issues that affect their learning. Also, having a single parent generally means that they have less parental interaction.
That is because people don't understand committment. Look yourself in the mirror before stepping into the committment of marriage and child rearing. If you can't see yourself committed to that task for the rest of your life, don't enter into it. The crisis comes from our generation - you know the selffish people you are complining about that seem to fit your model of life. I wonder if you are experiencing a guilt complex from your own past behaviors and life.
The US is in crisis. I wish I could say otherwise, but I see it everywhere I go. I see it in the schools; I see it on the trains and buses; I see it in the politics; I see it in the workplace; I see it in traffic. Other people sense this crisis, even if they aren't admitting it exists. The recent religious fervor is a symptom of it. If they would only analyse the problems objectively and take the bitter pills that could improve the situation, rather than running into a church and throwing reactionary politics at the problems, something could be done.
So reactionay politics - lol - most of your posts are just that, reactionary politics based upon generalizations and false impressions.
The US needs to go through a 12-step program. I believe the first step is acknowledgement.
You might want to take your own advice. :laugh4:
Tachikaze
03-14-2006, 21:47
And I would say your experience is lacking. You might want to check out the Hispanic gangs that hang around LA, San Diego, the border areas, Phoenix, Dallas, San Antonio and about every other major city. Or how about the Japanese gangs that are visible in the SeaTac area of Washington. All have problems. It seems you have disenfrancied yourself from your neighbors
I'm talking about people in Japan, Korea, Peru, and Mexico (or temporary immigrants to the US), not hyphenated Americans! By listing American problems, you are adding credence my point.
Generalizations are sterotypes and are often the groundwork for racist and bigotary.
If you said that Americans speak English, or that they eat a lot of fast food, or that they watch a lot of TV, it would be a generalization, but not racist or bigoted. They either illustrate a conventional habit or a popular trend.
If you say that Americans are gaining weight, it doesn't mean 100% of all Americans are heavier than a year ago, it means that the total number of fat Americans is increasing. But it's a useful generalization, because it must be dealt with.
I'm talking about people in Japan, Korea, Peru, and Mexico (or temporary immigrants to the US), not hyphenated Americans! By listing American problems, you are adding credence my point.
Who is hyphenated them - not I. It seems you have a problem understanding and writing your points. And you might want to check a little more into the news out of those areas of the world also. Its not as rosy as a picture about parents and education of children as your attempting to paint. Especially in Mexico.
If you said that Americans speak English, or that they eat a lot of fast food, or that they watch a lot of TV, it would be a generalization, but not racist or bigoted. They either illustrate a conventional habit or a popular trend.
You didn't state that now did you.
If you say that Americans are gaining weight, it doesn't mean 100% of all Americans are heavier than a year ago, it means that the total number of fat Americans is increasing. But it's a useful generalization, because it must be dealt with.
Again you didn't state that now did you.
Well I think Little Britain is pretty accurate about umm Britain... :gah:
It is!
I know someone called Vicky Pollard!
Everybody's expecting us to hit the middle east again, so I think we should throw the world for a loop. You know, invade Mongolia or something. Shake things up a little.
Barring that, maybe we could invade a country with nice beaches. Give our brave men and women a nicer environment, you know? It's no fun standing on streetcorners in Iraq, but Bermuda, well, I'm sure we can cook up some reason or anther to bring the rogue state known as Bermuda to heel.
Exiting times!
InsaneApache
03-15-2006, 02:15
It is!
I know someone called Vicky Pollard!
I can beat that. I used to work with an Alan Partridge. He was a prick as well. :embarassed:
Soulforged
03-15-2006, 04:14
Typical inability to understand the joke about the state of Idaho. Do a little research about the extremist groups that are in that area of the United States. Give you a hint the Aryan Nations used to have a yearly parade in one of the towns in Idaho.If it's a joke I don't need to research anything, do I? And by the way )talking about geography) where the hell is Idaho?:laugh4:
Attempting to use my words against me when you have no concept nor understanding of what is being stated, only makes you look foolish.
No commie nazis in Idaho, mostly just rasict facist and idoitic potato farmers.Look how you say "mostly". Oh please! Don't tell me that you know almost everyone on Idaho!! ~:eek: I was just joking Red and specting this kind of answer.:2thumbsup:
Evil_Maniac From Mars
03-15-2006, 04:18
The Americans should invade Vermont next. They'd never suspect it. :book:
If it's a joke I don't need to research anything, do I? And by the way )talking about geography) where the hell is Idaho?:laugh4:
Look on a map its easy to find.
No commie nazis in Idaho, mostly just rasict facist and idoitic potato farmers.Look how you say "mostly". Oh please! Don't tell me that you know almost everyone on Idaho!! ~:eek: I was just joking Red and specting this kind of answer.:2thumbsup:
Actually if you look into the demographics of Idaho you will be surprised about what you find.
I won't claim that US schools would come off any better, but
Sun revolves around earth, 40 per cent of Japanese kids believe (http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=1555)
Banquo's Ghost
03-15-2006, 13:59
I won't claim that US schools would come off any better, but
Sun revolves around earth, 40 per cent of Japanese kids believe (http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=1555)
Now that's a worrying article.
For example, 30 per cent did not know in which direction the sun set, a proportion that rose to 73 per cent for city kids.
I suppose it is the Land of the Rising Sun.... :no:
Tachikaze
03-15-2006, 16:03
Sounds like the solution is to turn Japan Catholic. Hmm. Sounds like a goal-oriented analysis to me.
Perhaps they should expand the number of questions asked and compare the results to other nations.
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