What Do You Think of your Government? [Archive]

Lemur

03-21-2006, 23:06

United States: It's a testament to the strength and power of our nation that even a bunch of incompetent idealogues like the Bush 43 Administration can't cripple us. I'm reminded of a line about the papacy that I read some years ago, that stated that the papacy must be ordained by God, since any mortal institution would have crumbled under the weight of so much corruption and sin.

Ice

03-21-2006, 23:06

USA: I'm fair contempt. They could improve a bit.

(this should get good)

Reenk Roink

03-22-2006, 00:01

USA: Don't like the government, then again, didn't like it any better under Clinton.

I just want power :mellow:...

lars573

03-22-2006, 00:14

Canada, Harper and his minority conservative haven't had a chance to fug things up yet (to me it's a matter of when they ge the chance not if). But I don't trust the shifty bastard, never will. Long as he's in office I'll never be content.

Beirut

03-22-2006, 00:18

The Canadian government?

:laugh4: :bigcry: :stupido2: :scared:

Marcellus

03-22-2006, 00:19

UK: I don't trust the Government. They have lied, are sleazy, try to spin everything, and are generally untrustworthy. The much needed investment in public services is the best thing Blair and friends have done. Their foreign policy has been too divisive. Post-9/11 they have tried to erode our rights and liberties. And then there's Iraq...

Overall: better than the Conservatives, but still disappointing.

master of the puppets

03-22-2006, 01:42

USA: a proud and noble country of brave men and shining ideals...then we hit the 60's:shame: , now i fear i cannot trust my government or the polititions who have decided they rule us and not us them. the world hates us for our foolish leaders and frivolous wars (started by the foolish leaders), and it is becoming a world where nice guys finish last and once you are last you stop being nice yet stay down in that crappy hole. i fear that in order to succeed i must have money i will never have then lie and cheat and tax until i'm at the top, then if the corrupt senate allows me, i will reform us and makes us what we once were.

Alexander the Pretty Good

03-22-2006, 01:45

I'm finding myself agreeing more and more with Lemur.

The Founding Fathers would be shocked and appalled. The Republicans have gone back on the Contract With America and are trying to bankrupt the nation, it seems. At least the Democrats are as helpless as usual. :juggle2:

Tribesman

03-22-2006, 02:00

Purely out of interest, what do you think of your government?
I try not to think of my government too much , as they are a bunch of lying thieving scumbags .
Then again I have thought that of all the governments in all the countries I have lived in .

Divinus Arma

03-22-2006, 02:18

I'm indifferent to my government. It is impossible to have a system where the powerful can forever be benign. So I think it would be best if we continued to limit the power at every stage of government, so the idiots can have their day at the podium without causing real trouble.

Here. Here.

USA: I love my government. I hate that liberals have interpreted the constitution to mean "any and every possible" meaning. The Republicans are just as guilty and are becoming "social conservatives" which is crap. Constitutional conservatism and limited government are dead. I hate our political parties. I hate the judiciary who has stolen our property rights and expanded the influence of the federal government outside of its enumerated rights under the guise of the commerce clause coupled with the supremacy clause. The destruction of federalism before our very eyes and yet we citizens can do nothing. :no:

Evil_Maniac From Mars

03-22-2006, 03:26

Papewaio

03-22-2006, 03:39

Australia: Virtually the same as all democracies, I feel though our voting system and insistence that people turn up at the voting booths (they can then choose not to vote) makes the democracy a bit more light on its toes with regards to being responsive to the voters... a good thing in my mind.

Unfortunately it is getting more and more clear that special interest groups are getting powerful. And that politicians are joining the very companies that had tenders for government jobs after the pollies quit politics. I think politicians should not be allowed to work for companies that they approved tenders for at least a period of time equal to the length they would be in term in office in one hit and double for tenders that are not open to all comers... so say a politican's term is 4 years, they should not be allowed to join a company that tendered to the government for 4 years, and 8 years if it was not an open tender.

InsaneApache

03-22-2006, 11:01

We have the most open, honest and unrepressive government ever in the UK. It is a joy to stroll in this idyllic utopia called Blairs Britain. The man is a genius.

I can't praise him highly enough for keeping strictly to his parties manifesto and his all inclusive brand of government where everyones views are considered relevant and given due attention.

OK so taxes have risen a teeny-weeny bit, but so what? I can sleep soundly in my bed at night knowing that 'Uncle' Tony is busy beavering away working hard for himsel....errr the electorate.

His democratic reforms are a work of sheer genius. After all to abolish the role of the Lord Chancellor (a post pre-dating his by 1100 years) was a brilliant masterstroke, only matched by his ham-fisted and bungled attempts at taming the upper house.

Just to close I love this quote; it reminds me of my beloved leader.

But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Uncle Tony.:sweatdrop:

Justiciar

03-22-2006, 11:27

Am I the only republican in this country?

I'm not a fan of the major parties.. I would usually be voting Lib Dem, but I'm sort of sick of the way they LET people take them as one big joke.. hell, they ARE a joke. And they elected Menzies Campbell! WTF? In all honesty, I'll only be pleased if one of three things happens. 1) The Royal Family and those pointless sods that are the aristocracy are knocked out of the picture. 2) England gets it's own parliament (placed in York for full marks). 3) A Military Dictator assumes power.. Okay the third one's a joke, but I wouldn't be all that pissed if it happened.

Banquo's Ghost

03-22-2006, 11:35

Republic of Ireland: Our current government is boring and unimaginative, which in the modern world is quite reassuring. The economy is not what it was, but we weren't going to be at the top of the curve for ever. The last ten to fifteen years has transformed the country, for the better.

Bertie Ahern is a competent, if unexciting Taoiseach. I've always been a Fine Gael voter (more through historical affiliation and general coincidence of viewpoint than for specific policy) but this Fianna Fail government is not causing me to froth at the mouth. (Anyone remember Charlie Haughey? :furious3: )

Sjakihata

03-22-2006, 11:46

Our government suck, it has lowered the living standards of many danes, normally the ones having a difficult time already. Reduced huge social standards (health, education, environment, controls of food, chemicals etc etc etc) just to fund a tax stop, which havent really helped anyone.

The government dont know how to act internationally (Muhammed Crisis) and is dividing the nation by making 'block politic' only, leaving more than 50% of danish voters and their parties out of the table.

Finally the support the Bush admin like there's no tomorrow, in Iraq and Im sitting wondering what we are doing there, the public opinion was something like 70% not wanting to go it, instead of holding a poll to see if we should invade or not, the government just took the decision very much contrary to public belief.

In short, Im looking forward to the next election.

Husar

03-22-2006, 12:04

Germany: Typical democracy, just have to wait until they screw me......:2thumbsup:

OK. I quite like Angie. She's doing very well in my opinion. Hopefully she increases the military budget (Germany is below average for NATO members) and creates more jobs.
I´m not sure whether I like Angie. I liked Schröder, too, when he started...
And about raising the military budget, that´s very funny, because it will never happen I fear, it will rather be lowered.
And open jobs will be created by time, because we don´t have enough children. Then again, those few children will have to work hard to pay all those pensions...
And don´t forget we will have to pay more, work more, get less money to support our economy so that those bosses can raise their own payment.
I´m repeating myself, but it´s fun.
It´s even more fun considering the state currently pays for my studies.:2thumbsup: :laugh4:
Ok, there are things I like and things I really hate, like bureaucracy and most of their decisions...

Franconicus

03-22-2006, 12:52

*Sigh*

As the thread starter, I suppose I have to post mine.

Germany: OK. I quite like Angie. She's doing very well in my opinion. Hopefully she increases the military budget (Germany is below average for NATO members) and creates more jobs. (A cousin of mine had to move to Africa to find work. He couldn't get any in Germany. He has a good education though, so he did get a good job.)
I do not like the new government. Well, in fact I believe that we did not have a good one since the 70ies. Oh Helmut, were are you :dizzy2:

The new one is just a joke. She made a good performance on the international stage. That's it. She raised the tax (as promised) but the payment for retirements will not decrease (not as promised). There will be no big tax reform. The badget will not be balanced. Instead she gives money to increase economy; foolish, every cancler tried it and it never worked. She has no clue how to fight unemployment or solve the problems with the health system.

Why increasing budget for defense? I see no threat (besides the US).

I am very proud that my country is still strong although we do not have good politicians (or industry leaders or union leaders ...):wall:

Lazul

03-22-2006, 15:50

Sweden: Im happy about our current society... BUT, there are a few things that keeps pissing me of.
First of all the enourmus beurocracy and all the shady deals the politicans and other powerfull people get.... even when they are fired. They are thiefs most of them, stealing money form the people!
Second, our military, I cant care less for the size, but the recent training together with russians pisses me of, no offence russians here on the board, but I dont trust your gov.
... And the second thing about our military, military contracts with Saudi Arabia... one of the "shitholes" of the world in my eyes. What ever we, as a free and democratic country have to do with a country like that... I fail to see. *spits*

... and for the current political climate... im just sick of Political Correctnes and politicians being pansies and dare to say what they really think!

... I think I'll vote for the "pirate party". Actually we have one called that. :laugh4:

IliaDN

03-22-2006, 15:53

Well... if I exclude all rude wirds? than - nothing...:laugh4:

R'as al Ghul

03-22-2006, 16:25

Germany: not satisfied

The last elections were about the topic of reducing unemployment.
The two major parties debated for months whos concept is the best.
Now they've formed a coalition and the topic has magically disappeared.
Unemployment rates are still rising or stalling.

The way Germany dealt with the reunification was amateurish at best.
Ex-Chancellor Dr. Kohl painted us a picture of green pastures but kept quiet about the financial problems our eastern neighbours had. If we had used a bit of common sense and economical expertise instead of "utopian rhetoric" we could be in a better situation nowadays.

The integration of immigrants has completely failed. When the first Italians came in the 50's to help build the Volkswagen in Wolfsburg, a lot of Germans thought they would go back to Italy once they were 65. Surprise, Surprise, after 30 or more years they like it here. So do the Turks. There's nothing wrong with it of course, but we didn't do anything for our guests to feel at home. They don't speak our language and they don't follow the laws. "Paralell society" was the word of the year 2005, I think.

Nowadays we complain about the fact that less and less women give birth, tax income isn't as high as it should be (because of all the holes in the law), we have almost more black market laboures than legal workers and we have created a hybrid monster of a legal framework and substitutions that nobody is capable of understanding anymore.
All of these problems we could have done something against if we hadn't slept and set on our arses for the last 30-40 years.

/rant off

EDIT: We're the best nation when it comes to complaining. Beat us to it and see how we complain. :laugh4:

BDC

03-22-2006, 18:35

Well we now pay far too much in tax, but this current government has been in too long. Hopefully after the next election things will improve a bit. That's assuming Brown doesn't win. If he does things could soon start sucking lots. High taxes and a complete mystery over where all the money actually goes (look at how broke the NHS is...).

InsaneApache

03-22-2006, 18:45

Mystery? there's no mystery. The money is funnelled into a vast bureaucratic morass where it disappears for ever. If we should have learnt anything from the '80s it would be that just throwing 'our' money at a problem will not solve it.

Still for a political party that likes to think that taxpayers money is actually theirs who could be surprised. :shame:

BDC

03-22-2006, 18:55

The money is funnelled into a vast bureaucratic morass where it disappears for ever.

Ah yes, that's it. It all goes into training up northerners to do the jobs that were being done really efficiently until all the workers in London were fired. And employing pointless extra clerks in the NHS, who aren't medically trained, so end up actually making the paper work worse.

Duke Malcolm

03-22-2006, 19:44

Her Majesty's Government have done a handful of good things, but since my Primary Legislation Provider is the Scottish Executive, I cannot say the latter has been terribly good, with running costs of the nation increasing, vast bureacracy, silly laws which have yet to justify the parliaments existence (though the Smoking ban is helpful for that, as is the Abolition of Feudal Tenure).

The best thing the Lib-Lab co-alition has done is abolition the feudal system in Scotland...

Marcellus

03-22-2006, 20:20

Am I the only republican in this country?

Don't worry, you're not the only one.

Paul Peru

03-22-2006, 21:03

Norway: Form of government is constipational monarchy, which is utterly silly even when spelled correctly, but without discernible ill effects. I'd go republic if it was up to me, but it's just a matter of principle. (The offending bit in the constitution is the State Religion bit)

Our current elected 3 party government is lacking in courage and vision, and internally divided with one special interest party being the odd one out.

It's an improvement on the crowd from last year, but they're not going to get reelected the way they are mucking about. I give them a C+

drone

03-22-2006, 21:09

US - :gah2:

Evil_Maniac From Mars

03-22-2006, 22:44

I do not like the new government. Well, in fact I believe that we did not have a good one since the 70ies.
S hasn't really done much for me. I hope Angie will be better. She does show a bit of promise, you have to admit that.

She made a good performance on the international stage.

Yes. One of the reasons I think she'll do OK. But, I suppose the S did stand up about Iraq...ah well.

Instead she gives money to increase economy; foolish, every cancler tried it and it never worked.

Yup. But hey, there's a first time for everything.

She has no clue how to fight unemployment or solve the problems with the health system.

I agree with you there. But that was also a problem under S, at least for my family. And we're pretty well off.

Why increasing budget for defense? I see no threat (besides the US).

Well, German troops are a major force around the world, especially peacekeeping and in Afghanistan. We probably do have enough, or close to enough, going to the military, but it's still not very much.

I am very proud that my country is still strong although we do not have good politicians (or industry leaders or union leaders ...)

Yes, yes indeed. The Weimar Republic trained us. :laugh4:

Anyway, I said she's OK. I didn't say she's the heroine of all mankind...

InsaneApache

03-22-2006, 23:23

Ah yes, that's it. It all goes into training up northerners to do the jobs that were being done really efficiently until all the workers in London were fired. And employing pointless extra clerks in the NHS, who aren't medically trained, so end up actually making the paper work worse.

That's Northist that is!!:laugh4:

Now I feel oppressed (yeah right!) .....:sweatdrop:

Seriously though, it seems as though our social fabric is being rent apart by these cack-handed attempts by Blair to achieve a 'legacy'.

Roll on Brown. :laugh4:

Fragony

03-23-2006, 10:25

There are a few good people but our government is just too big. A lot of money gets wasted on useless commisions and prestige-projects. Basicly they are being payed to pretend to disagree on small details, playing politician they are. Those are the ones in charge, and then there is the opposition who oppose just because they disagr* I mean are the opposition.

Husar

03-23-2006, 11:13

Well, German troops are a major force around the world, [..]
Yeah, this time we pretend to be peaceful, maybe it will work this time, but pshhht...:2thumbsup:

Franconicus

03-23-2006, 11:49

Well, German troops are a major force around the world, especially peacekeeping and in Afghanistan. We probably do have enough, or close to enough, going to the military, but it's still not very much.
I do not know where this will lead us. We as well as other Western countries have peace keeping troops everywhere. And nowhere is really peace. There is no plan how to end it. When will the troops return from the Balkans, when from Afghanistan? Our politicians send our soldiers without a real plan. They will stay there for decades. And more and more new areas are added. Kongo? What the hell are we doing there? There is no plan at all. Just the wish to do something. In the end all our countries will overstretch their resources, having soldiers spread all over the world. But no peace.

Look at the US. They will stay in Iraq for a very long time. This will block so many resources that they cannot afford to have another big military conflict.

Husar

03-23-2006, 12:18

Franconicus, I think it makes out troops realise what the army is.
They shouldn´t just join the army to get a job and sit around in Germany all day long, driking beer and enjoying their free time, it´s an army!
As peacekeepers they sit around as well, but at least there is some danger and they need to be aware of threats, I´d see that as a compromise between sitting around at home and real combat, plus it makes a few places on this world more secure.
Hollywood always says if you just change a little bit on this world, you already make a difference. I think it applies in this case. Though if you want to make peace and leave, our soldiers need to chase the criminals in the countries they are guarding.
And I don´t think you can compare that to the US in Iraq, I didn´t know we hire private companies for millions of Euros to secure those places.

Ja'chyra

03-23-2006, 12:44

At best, apathetic.

This is not just directed at Labour but at politicians in general, they all seem to have forgoteen that they are civil servants, here to serve the public, and all seem to be more interested in furthering their own and their parties interests. The money for titles scandal is an ideal example, and I'm not niaive enough to think that the other parties wouldn't have done the same.

All in all I think they send too much time trying to get people to vote for them when, if they simply served the people as best they could, the votes would naturally follow. I also hate the secrets, again I know that they are sometimes necessary, but if they want to go to war they shouldn't tell us half a story and spin it their way, they should simply present their case and let us decide, we're not idiots you know, well, most of us anyway :laugh4:

I also think, on a local level, that the elected representatives should reflect the views of the areas they represent, too often their votes seem to be dictated by party leaders or traded away for favours. Once again I know this is sometimes necessary, but, they should be open with the people they represent and held accountable for their decisions.

One thing I really hate is when politicians are allowed to resign from posts, for whatever reason, before they are sacked and then given another post 6 months later when they think we have forgotten :furious3: As a civil servant I would be sacked and a note put on my record to ensure I wasn't re-hired in the future.

Think that's it for now, I'm sure someone will ridicaule most of the things, and maybe for good reason, but these are my opinions. Sorry I can't give you all back the 2 minutes of your life it took to read this :embarassed: :help: :laugh4:

Evil_Maniac From Mars

03-23-2006, 23:59

I do not know where this will lead us. We as well as other Western countries have peace keeping troops everywhere. And nowhere is really peace. There is no plan how to end it. When will the troops return from the Balkans, when from Afghanistan? Our politicians send our soldiers without a real plan. They will stay there for decades. And more and more new areas are added. Kongo? What the hell are we doing there? There is no plan at all. Just the wish to do something. In the end all our countries will overstretch their resources, having soldiers spread all over the world. But no peace.

Look at the US. They will stay in Iraq for a very long time. This will block so many resources that they cannot afford to have another big military conflict.
You seem to have made a counterpoint against yourself...this is why we need a larger military budget. Because we're not going to pull out anytime soon.

Alexanderofmacedon

03-24-2006, 02:56

USA: poop

:shame:

Kagemusha

03-24-2006, 03:28

I have mixed feelings of my Government.While we are little nation.We have our problems like everyone else has. the Taxes are large but then we get free education for all,free medical services and pensions and Unemployment fees.So the government in optimal is the will of us all and provides every citicen a safety net.After all someone wise sayed once that the measurement of Society is how it takes care of its not so fortunate ones.While it gives us lot it also makes us do much.The majority of EU´s Eastern border is Finlands border against Russia. We have mandatory military service or civil service that in war time wont exclude those that serve as civil servants. We have saying that its a lottery win to born in Finland,but many of our fore fathers moved to Sweden and USA in hope for better life. We have three major parties instead two like most countries.The Social Democrats,The Center party and the National gathering party that is the right winfg liberal party.
I think that the world is changing and we just have to adopt to it like everyone else.Like myself,most of us dont belong to any party and we vote based on issues rather then political dogmas.Here are not enough children compared to elder people but after all the Finno Ugrians were in Europe before the Indo Europeans came in.I disagree on many issues with my Government,but i think in Democracy the people get the government they voted for.So in the end im quite happy to my Government but then in some issues im not.~;)

Incongruous

03-24-2006, 05:01

Blair is an idiot. His creation of all this beurocracy is amazing in its stupidity.
He is stripping away common rights of British citizens with this new Id crap. He is my worst nightmare, Adolf Hitler without a scrotum is our Tony.

Alexanderofmacedon

03-24-2006, 05:09

I think Bush may have brainwashed him ^^^

Franconicus

03-24-2006, 08:36

You seem to have made a counterpoint against yourself...this is why we need a larger military budget. Because we're not going to pull out anytime soon.
No! I think it is nothing but wishful thinking that Western armies can make peace all over the world. It did not work and it will not. Even if you have as many sldiers as the US. Instead of making peace your soldiers become the target of agression.

InsaneApache

03-24-2006, 09:32

Evil_Maniac From Mars

03-24-2006, 22:21

No! I think it is nothing but wishful thinking that Western armies can make peace all over the world.It did not work and it will not. Even if you have as many sldiers as the US. Instead of making peace your soldiers become the target of agression.
Yes, I agree with that. I've been speaking out against Iraq, for example, on these forums for a long time. But as long as our troops remain in there, they need money. I'm not saying have a radical budget like the Americans (that scares me, to be frank), but at least an average budget would help our forces out considerably, IMO.