Pornography

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So a speaker came to my school (Dr. Gail Dines) and gave a presentation on "Pornography and Media Images of Women". In her presentation I learned that:

George Bush is very similar to "Max Hardcore"

People who enjoy bondage were sexually abused as children

Sado-Masochism is behind the invasion of Iraq

Pornography would go away if we were all Marxist

Men don't understand themselves much less women



Yeah, she was pretty far out there. But she also had some interesting stuff to say. I think it is pretty obvious that what people see in the media has an effect on them, so pornography would have an effect on people's sexuality in some way. She talked at great length about this and then jumped to "one in three women will be raped at some time" and began talking about the terrible effects of rape. I would like some information/insight on how that jump is made. I think you can make a connection between watching women presented as objects and women being felt up on a train, but it is hard to believe that it could cause someone to cross the line into rape. What is the result of pornography? And what should be done about it?

And how is the "one in three" figure actually calculated?

[Strike For The South]

Ive seen porn and not once have a gone and tried to rape someone. However since im a dude I should be caged just to make sure I stay in line becuase ya know my lust can be used as a weapon:laugh4:

[master of the puppets]

...uh...well...porn (;

[mercian billman]

George Bush is very similar to "Max Hardcore"


I believe that George Bush has far more respect for woman than Max does, seriously his stuff is pretty disgusting.

While I don't believe porn incites rape, I do believe it affects the way men treat women. Let's face it a 15-16 year old male (possibly younger) who downloads porn doesn't have a lot of money or access to high quality porn. The result of this is that he ends up downloading "free" porn which is a lot different from stuff you get from companies like Vivid and Digital Entertainment. Low quality/amateur/fetish porn is usually done cheaply and the women who do these films are generally treated very poorly, whereas in high quality porn the women are treated better and make a lot more money.

The problem is most people aren't willing to spend $40-$50 to buy high quality porn and instead end up downloading low quality porn.

[master of the puppets]

but really i'm quite placid and respect women, but i say as i am a guy i refer to porn as different than an actual women. its the difference between reality and movies.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

I don't care what she says just dont take away my porrrrrrn!!!!!!:help:

[Byzantine Prince]

Men don't understand themselves much less women
Umm, is this sexist towards women? :dizzy2:


I think it is pretty obvious that what people see in the media has an effect on them, so pornography would have an effect on people's sexuality in some way.
Everything has an effect on people, we can't censor the entire world by what we think might turn people nuts.


What is the result of pornography? And what should be done about it?
Pornography helps people release themselves from imidiate sexual urge, which could escalate into rape, if left untreated. So I would think it is a good thing.
I think what should be done is children should be exposed to it at a younger age, even the more hardcore porn.


And how is the "one in three" figure actually calculated?
No.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

Umm, is this sexist towards women? :dizzy2:


Everything has an effect on people, we can't censor the entire world by what we think might turn people nuts.


Pornography helps people release themselves from imidiate sexual urge, which could escalate into rape, if left untreated. So I would think it is a good thing.
I think what should be done is children should be exposed to it at a younger age, even the more hardcore porn.


No.

That made me laugh!:laugh4:

Would it be alright if I put a porn link here?:inquisitive:

[Major Robert Dump]

most people's idea of porn is grossly underexaggerated. People are doing decadent stuff out there you never even thought was possible, therefore I don't think porn analogies and references to modern culture can even begin to explain a thing.

[GoreBag]

That made me laugh!:laugh4:

Would it be alright if I put a porn link here?:inquisitive:

Nah, I got in trouble for doing that once.

I'm not familiar with Max Hardcore, but I'm pretty sure it's standard industry practice by now.

[BigTex]

So a speaker came to my school (Dr. Gail Dines) and gave a presentation on "Pornography and Media Images of Women". In her presentation I learned that:

George Bush is very similar to "Max Hardcore"

People who enjoy bondage were sexually abused as children

Sado-Masochism is behind the invasion of Iraq

Pornography would go away if we were all Marxist

Men don't understand themselves much less women



Yeah, she was pretty far out there. But she also had some interesting stuff to say. I think it is pretty obvious that what people see in the media has an effect on them, so pornography would have an effect on people's sexuality in some way. She talked at great length about this and then jumped to "one in three women will be raped at some time" and began talking about the terrible effects of rape. I would like some information/insight on how that jump is made. I think you can make a connection between watching women presented as objects and women being felt up on a train, but it is hard to believe that it could cause someone to cross the line into rape. What is the result of pornography? And what should be done about it?

And how is the "one in three" figure actually calculated?

I hate modern feminists, they make what the women back in the 1800's and 1900's look horrible. Women arnt exploited in porno's, they make a substantial amount of cash for them. Quite a good number of them are multi millionaires. First before making a judgement on her statements you need to get some facts on her studies. What is her definition of abuse, alot of the bulls**t statistics include being spanked and being yelled at as abuse. You also need to get the definition of what that study defined as rape, quite honestly i've heard of sexual harrasment and sex with the boss considered rape in those studies.

Also why do they have pornography and women linked, last i checked there was usually a man involved in porno. I might add an ABC study showed that men made 1/3 or less the money then what women made for the porno's. Saying women are exploited is saying men arnt involved at all, those men make substantially less. Last I checked the feminists of the 1960's and 1970's were proud to do things like this, becuase it was illegal, doing it was supporting feminism. Modern feminists are nothing more then bigoted nazi's waving a pretty pink flag, come on. :shame: :no:

[Tachikaze]

I don't think pornography causes much. You can draw correlations, but they go the other way: certain men get obsessed with porn. Porn doesn't cause them to become obsessed. The obsession comes from other causes.

To me, pornography is for men what romance novels are to women.

Rape is an act of violence caused by a person with deep-rooted emotional problems. It's silly to say that pornography causes it. Rapists may be major porn consumers, but porn is not the cause of their crimes.

[Ser Clegane]

Rape is an act of violence caused by a person with deep-rooted emotional problems. It's silly to say that pornography causes it. Rapists may be major porn consumers, but porn is not the cause of their crimes.

I think that nails it - and I this issue seems to be pretty much comparable to the perceived correlation between violent video games and teenagers who go berzerk

[Major Robert Dump]

Pornography is, essentially, legalized prostitution, and I thibk thats where feminists have their big beef, they don't like women using their tits instead of their brains to make a buck, but really its no different than men using their muscles and brawn to make a buck as opposed to their brains. Sexuality be damned, its all about the money, yet oddly enough plenty of places still go to extremes to prevent it. For example, in areas where pornography is legal to shoot and produce, police go after men who advertise for roomates who will get free rent in exchange for sex. How in the hell is that any different than pornography?

States that allow porn but not prostitution are retarded, At least I live in one that doesn't allow anything, but hey! bear wrestling is still legal!!!!!

[spmetla]

Well here I am looking at porn while browsing the forums, am I a sicko future rapists as well?

Porn is fine, if we didn't have porn we'd just need to go to more strip clubs or mud wrestling contests.

I'm attracted to the female body, I enjoy seeing pictures and videos of them and theres nothing wrong with that, I know some people that don't like porn but whatever I don't force porn on them and they don't preach their ideals to me which is how life should be.

[Ja'chyra]

Tbh, my significant other likes watching porn more than I do, does that make her a rapist too?

[Vladimir]

All she needs to believe now is that abortions are a good thing and you have yourself a feminazi. You should be honored as those are a rare find indeed. Maybe she should be put in a museum or in a large glass jar for preservation.

[TonkaToys]

Here's an interesting article linking porn to rape (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,200-2101204,00.html). It is a pretty nasty case, so those easily upset, blah blah blah


Violent pornography blamed for turning boy aged 14 into a rapist
He lured four girls from swings and forced them to commit sex act

[Kanamori]

It was probably already illegal for him to purchase pornography at that age, no?


At any rate, I fail to see how pornograph compels someone to do something like this, it certainly wasn't whispering in his ear. Even providing inspiration doesn't mean the pornography caused it. And it certainly didn't jump off some shelf and attack the young girls. The blame lies squarly on the deranged kid.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

know something that always amazes me about porn?

the stretching abilities of orifices:
"I bet you cant take a baseball bat"
"pfft, easy, I can fit a train in there"

[Devastatin Dave]

So a speaker came to my school (Dr. Gail Dines) and gave a presentation on "Pornography and Media Images of Women". In her presentation I learned that:

George Bush is very similar to "Max Hardcore"

People who enjoy bondage were sexually abused as children

Sado-Masochism is behind the invasion of Iraq

Pornography would go away if we were all Marxist

Men don't understand themselves much less women





LOL, looks like leftist propaganda and Bush hatred has gone to a new level. Porn would go away if we were all Marxists? Are you payng for this "education" or is this free? Seriously, do you agree with her opinion?

[Ser Clegane]

I think a woman who makes a statement like this one

“The only way males can show emotion towards women is anger,”
has a bit of a credibility issue... (and/or lets perhaps personal experience cloud her judgement)

source (http://www.universitychronicle.com/media/paper231/news/2001/04/02/News/Speaker.Sheds.Light.On.Effects.Of.Media.Images.Of.Violence.Pornography-62840.shtml?norewrite200603241057&sourcedomain=www.universitychronicle.com) (quoted statement at the very end)

[BigTex]

I think a woman who makes a statement like this one

has a bit of a credibility issue... (and/or lets perhaps personal experience cloud her judgement)

source (http://www.universitychronicle.com/media/paper231/news/2001/04/02/News/Speaker.Sheds.Light.On.Effects.Of.Media.Images.Of.Violence.Pornography-62840.shtml?norewrite200603241057&sourcedomain=www.universitychronicle.com) (quoted statement at the very end)

Yeah she's one of the sexist women of America with a access to a loudspeaker. The "facts" she quotes can be easily scewed. I'd put in her quote about playgirl to playboy, but apparently when women buy playgirl they only read it for the articles, but men well they take advantage of the pixels! Who woulda thought there's such a diversity in reasons for buying porn :no: . I see she has not given her reason for being a vengeful banshee, wonder who or what happened to her.


Originally posted by Taffy_is_a_Taff
the stretching abilities of orifices:
"I bet you cant take a baseball bat"
"pfft, easy, I can fit a train in there"

https://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/Thammure/camuy-caves-1-420.jpg

I don't think a train will fit. Maybe a baseball bat though.

[doc_bean]

well, i for one believe she is right.

After all, in areas were there is less easy access to porn, say Afghanistan or Central Africa rape never happens...


:oops:

But I don't think exposing young children to porn is good though, sex doesn't look very 'woman-friendly' in general. With all the thrusting and all the screaming.
Actually I think this is why the femnazi's dislike porn, it shows women at their most vulnerable, losing their self control because of a man...

[Tachikaze]

I am not against feminism. There are extreme feminists that I disagree with, but they are a vocal minority. One point of disagreement I often have with feminists is pornography and prostitution.

A lot of it boils down to definitions. What qualifies as prostitution? MRD pointed out that the deifinition of pornography is also hard to nail down.

In their extremes, both can be very damaging, humiliating, degrading, dangerous, and even fatal, and I despise them. But, they both also can have a functional place in society. They are only degrading if we make them degrading.

[Viking]

But I don't think exposing young children to porn is good though, sex doesn't look very 'woman-friendly' in general. With all the thrusting and all the screaming.
Actually I think this is why the femnazi's dislike porn, it shows women at their most vulnerable, losing their self control because of a man...

Reality is reality. We need more realists, not pathetic people. The earlier exposed for it, the more "natural" sex will be for people.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

LOL, looks like leftist propaganda and Bush hatred has gone to a new level. Porn would go away if we were all Marxists? Are you payng for this "education" or is this free? Seriously, do you agree with her opinion?

Haha, certainly not. She's pretty wacko like I said. She did make some good points about images in the media causing anorexia and that kind of thing. I always thought that porn didn't have any effect, but recently on another forum I saw several guys claiming that "all women want to be dominated in the bedroom even if they don't admit it". I can't tell for sure where that idea comes from, porn would seem the logical place.

[Viking]

Haha, certainly not. She's pretty wacko like I said. She did make some good points about images in the media causing anorexia and that kind of thing. I always thought that porn didn't have any effect, but recently on another forum I saw several guys claiming that "all women want to be dominated in the bedroom even if they don't admit it". I can't tell for sure where that idea comes from, porn would seem the logical place.

Heh. I read about a study that showed that many women had fantasies of being "raped"(not a real rape, of course) by their boyfriend/husband. Don`t remember how many, tho.

[master of the puppets]

weird, buts still i see the accusation unfounded, a rapists is a deranged scumsucker 99.9% of the time regardless of what they may have watched as a wretched little freak.

let um have there porn when young, but teach them the difference between it and the real thing, tell them that there is a difference between girls in a movie and ones on the street. and if they fail to learn this lesson...then beat the domination loving piss out of the ass-hole and instead teach them that all things have consequences.

[Big_John]

I think a woman who makes a statement like this one

has a bit of a credibility issue... (and/or lets perhaps personal experience cloud her judgement)

source (http://www.universitychronicle.com/media/paper231/news/2001/04/02/News/Speaker.Sheds.Light.On.Effects.Of.Media.Images.Of.Violence.Pornography-62840.shtml?norewrite200603241057&sourcedomain=www.universitychronicle.com) (quoted statement at the very end)to be fair, i think she is talking about men's emotions within the purview of pornography

(i think...)

[doc_bean]

Reality is reality. We need more realists, not pathetic people. The earlier exposed for it, the more "natural" sex will be for people.

Only if we make porn more natural then. Stuff where the girl is more than just another collection of holes that need to be filled. For most people at least, there is a romantic dimension to sex, porn clearly seperates sex from love, I'm not sure this is a good message to send to the kids.



Heh. I read about a study that showed that many women had fantasies of being "raped"(not a real rape, of course) by their boyfriend/husband. Don`t remember how many, tho.

I read that it's the most common fantasy amongst women. However, this doesn't mean they actually want to be raped. It's probably a fantasy about someone having an uncontrollable desire for them.

[Reenk Roink]

Heard a weird story today...

It was a funny story then, in that context, but now that I think about it, I do not want to see that. Sex-Ed in school is bad enough...

[GoreBag]

Only if we make porn more natural then. Stuff where the girl is more than just another collection of holes that need to be filled. For most people at least, there is a romantic dimension to sex, porn clearly seperates sex from love, I'm not sure this is a good message to send to the kids.

I read that it's the most common fantasy amongst women. However, this doesn't mean they actually want to be raped. It's probably a fantasy about someone having an uncontrollable desire for them.

I separate love and sex all the time. In fact, I prefer sex without the lovey-dovey sentiments.

On the rape fantasy issue, I'd say it's a case of preference for domination. Obviously, they don't want to be tied up and tortured; it's more of an animal kind of desire.


removed quote of a graphic description that has been edited out by the original poster (edit by Ser Clegane)

Yeah, I've seen that. Japan is undergoing a period of cultural rebellion right now, and sexual deviance is one of the main mediums. You might also be able to find on that there internet a video of a Japanese women struggling to keep a big snake inside of her when it clearly wants to leave.

[Ser Clegane]

I'd like to remind you all that this is a PG13-forum.

Please keep this in mind when you feel the urge to post detailed descriptions of any pornographic videos you might have watched.

Thanks

:bow:

[Conqueror]

The problem is most people aren't willing to spend $40-$50 to buy high quality porn and instead end up downloading low quality porn.

:idea: There should be government-funded programs to make high quality porn available to everyone :2thumbsup:

[aw89]

Heh. I read about a study that showed that many women had fantasies of being "raped"(not a real rape, of course) by their boyfriend/husband. Don`t remember how many, tho.

If I remember correctly it is one in three, and it was something like "being take by force (Not violently), without control" or some such. Damn that is hard to explain without the wording right in front of you

[Reenk Roink]

I'd like to remind you all that this is a PG13-forum.

Please keep this in mind when you feel the urge to post detailed descriptions of any pornographic videos you might have watched.

Thanks

:bow:

Sorry, it is edited out. :bow:

And, errm no thanks GoreBag...*squirms*

[doc_bean]

I separate love and sex all the time. In fact, I prefer sex without the lovey-dovey sentiments.


So if you are in a relationship you wouldn't mind your girlfriend sleeping with someone else ?

Sex is still tied to a relationship for most people, and/or vice versa. One night stands aren't a bad thing, but they're usually an 'in-between relationships' solution for most people.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I separate love and sex all the time. In fact, I prefer sex without the lovey-dovey sentiments.

Few women do, but porn presents all women as liking that. This would lead to false expectations.


On the rape fantasy issue, I'd say it's a case of preference for domination. Obviously, they don't want to be tied up and tortured; it's more of an animal kind of desire.



Undoubtedly many women do like that. However you can say "many women" for almost anything. It's not the kind of thing you can assume to be true, it needs to be asked about.

[Devastatin Dave]

Haha, certainly not. She's pretty wacko like I said. She did make some good points about images in the media causing anorexia and that kind of thing. I always thought that porn didn't have any effect, but recently on another forum I saw several guys claiming that "all women want to be dominated in the bedroom even if they don't admit it". I can't tell for sure where that idea comes from, porn would seem the logical place.
Good, then we are in somewhat of an agreement and I apologise for thinking that you were agreeing with her. I thought you agreed because you said "learned". She seems to be a bit on the extreme but I do find pornography very detrimental to the respect for women and, along with Hollywood, entertainment, etc, it puts great stress on women to be "hot" or sexual objects. Some women may want to be dominated in the bedroom but the way porn and many other entertainment outlets there are, you could almost assume that the majority want this sort of treatment. Women have come a long way through many struggled to be recognised by society as something more than sperm dumpsters and house slaves, its unfortunate that there are industries actively promoting the idea that women "want" to be treated like crap. My son is 3 and my daughter is 1 years old. I fear for what sort of influence these outside factors will have on them.

[Lemur]

That "one in three women will be raped" figure has been debunked many, many times. I'm amazed people are still saying it. The one in three statistic began with the Ms. Magazine Campus Project on Sexual Assault directed by Mary Koss. In her initial findings, Koss asserted that 27 percent of college women had been victims of rape or attempted rape an average of two times between the ages of fourteen and twenty-one.

Some of the questions on the Koss survey that resulted in that inflated figure:


"Have you had a man attempt sexual intercourse when you didn't want to by giving you alcohol or drugs, but intercourse did not (emphasis added) occur?"
"Have you had sexual intercourse when you didn't want to because a man gave you alcohol or drugs?"

More importantly, only 27 percent of the women Koss says were raped agreed that they had been raped. If the "victim's" perception means anything, then this greatly deflates Koss's original assertion.

I guess one in three is catchy, and so we will always be stuck with this B.S. statistic.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

That "one in three women will be raped" figure has been debunked many, many times. I'm amazed people are still saying it. The one in three statistic began with the Ms. Magazine Campus Project on Sexual Assault directed by Mary Koss. In her initial findings, Koss asserted that 27 percent of college women had been victims of rape or attempted rape an average of two times between the ages of fourteen and twenty-one.

Some of the questions on the Koss survey that resulted in that inflated figure:


"Have you had a man attempt sexual intercourse when you didn't want to by giving you alcohol or drugs, but intercourse did not (emphasis added) occur?"
"Have you had sexual intercourse when you didn't want to because a man gave you alcohol or drugs?"

More importantly, only 27 percent of the women Koss says were raped agreed that they had been raped. If the "victim's" perception means anything, then this greatly deflates Koss's original assertion.

I guess one in three is catchy, and so we will always be stuck with this B.S. statistic.

Thanks. It seemed really fishy to me. 27 percent of 27 percent would be 7.3 percent, or 1 in 14.

[GoreBag]

So if you are in a relationship you wouldn't mind your girlfriend sleeping with someone else ?

Correct. I don't believe in monogamy and I don't expect her to behave differently from how I do, but I don't expect her to be the same, either. She can do what she wants; I don't own her.

[Tachikaze]

That "one in three women will be raped" figure has been debunked many, many times. I'm amazed people are still saying it. The one in three statistic began with the Ms. Magazine Campus Project on Sexual Assault directed by Mary Koss. In her initial findings, Koss asserted that 27 percent of college women had been victims of rape or attempted rape an average of two times between the ages of fourteen and twenty-one.
I find one-in-three less believeable if one pictures a menacing stranger in a dark alley. But if one considers date rape, that is rape by someone well-known to the victim, I can see the figure being quite high.

A line has to be drawn between what is coercion and what is rape or attempted rape.

[Viking]

Only if we make porn more natural then. Stuff where the girl is more than just another collection of holes that need to be filled. For most people at least, there is a romantic dimension to sex, porn clearly seperates sex from love, I'm not sure this is a good message to send to the kids.


Yeah, I meant sex and not porn. I didn`t see the word 'porn' in the part that I quoted, my 'stake. Lets call it erotic videos instead..


I read that it's the most common fantasy amongst women. However, this doesn't mean they actually want to be raped. It's probably a fantasy about someone having an uncontrollable desire for them.

Defintions. :juggle2:


If I remember correctly it is one in three, and it was something like "being take by force (Not violently), without control" or some such. Damn that is hard to explain without the wording right in front of you

Which about equals "rape". 1/3 sounds quite many, but then again, I think the women had to submit their phantasies somewhere, they didn`t get the survey by doing nothing, if you know where I`m going. It still might representative, tho.

[Devastatin Dave]

You also have to consider what is meant by "fantasies". People "fantasies" some very strange thing, but I seriously doubt that a third of women fantasies in the context of actually wanting to be raped. Much like people fantasizing about killing someone thats done them a percieved wrong; this inner desire may not be as strong as a worded study might make it out to be.

[Byzantine Prince]

Fantasies are just that, fantasies. No woman actually wants to be raped for real, ever. Rape fantasies don't really represent what rape is really like anyways, it is more a masochistic fantasy, and definetly less brutal than real life.

Sexual release is real and if repressed for too long, from say, absence of porn, rape is certain in some people. I think the example with the little kid is misleading.

[Kanamori]

One in fourteen is still sadly high. How many 'predators' are out there anyway?:no:

[Viking]

You also have to consider what is meant by "fantasies". People "fantasies" some very strange thing, but I seriously doubt that a third of women fantasies in the context of actually wanting to be raped. Much like people fantasizing about killing someone thats done them a percieved wrong; this inner desire may not be as strong as a worded study might make it out to be.

Well, I for one, certainly have not fantazised about killing people.... I`ve had fantasies, but none of them has ever come to live; not because they`re absurd, but because I`ve never had the opportunity.



Fantasies are just that, fantasies. No woman actually wants to be raped for real, ever. Rape fantasies don't really represent what rape is really like anyways, it is more a masochistic fantasy, and definetly less brutal than real life.

Ok, it`s not rape, then. Whateva.

[Devastatin Dave]

Well, I for one, certainly have not fantazised about killing people.... I`ve had fantasies, but none of them has ever come to live; not because they`re absurd, but because I`ve never had the opportunity..
Good for you, but I don't think you see my point but when it comes to things that involve peoples inner thoughts and the process in which they come to conclusions between fantasies and taking action on these thoughts, it gets very confusing. That's why I beat off to pictures of Ruth Bader Ginsberg.:laugh4:

[Kraxis]

Fantasies are just that, fantasies. No woman actually wants to be raped for real, ever. Rape fantasies don't really represent what rape is really like anyways, it is more a masochistic fantasy, and definetly less brutal than real life.
The 'rape' fantasies are quite simply fundamental to the human mind (it is quite popular with men too). For a woman is the 'danger' of an uncontrolled event, often with an unknown/unseen man, that results in something nice. This actually looks a whole lot like what porn often is like. Strange huh?

Anyway, the natural explaination for this is the fact that the woman also desires to have different partners, at least deep down. I don't know if any studies have been made into when these fantasies pop up in the female mind, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were most prevalent if it was near when she was ovulating (the period where she is most likely to be unfaithful to a partner, and find strange men most attractive).

The male 'rape' fantasy is not a single fantasy, but a colelction of domination fantasies. Ranging from just being in complete control to outright violence (real rape).
The frequency is also harder to determine. Is it a fantasy when an angry man goes for himself and mutters in is angry mind something about 'teaching her a lesson' (with rape in mind) but never acting on it. Much like most men do about physical responses to jerks. Or is it merely a product of a situation that is unusual for the person?
Also is it truly a 'rape' fantasy when a young man, deeply infatuated with a girl, thinks of having his way with her, but the thoughts never comes close to consider her position in it? Isn't that more an egocentric fantasy rather than rape (though the event if ever carried out could not be anything but rape)?

[Viking]

Good for you, but I don't think you see my point but when it comes to things that involve peoples inner thoughts and the process in which they come to conclusions between fantasies and taking action on these thoughts, it gets very confusing. That's why I beat off to pictures of Ruth Bader Ginsberg.:laugh4:

I know where you`re going, but if you`ve born the same fantasy long enough, you might want more and more to make it to reality. Also the subconsciousness, the unkonwn, might control people more than you think.

[Byzantine Prince]

I don't know what you are arguing about Kraxis.

[doc_bean]

That's why I beat off to pictures of Ruth Bader Ginsberg.:laugh4:

Damnit ! That's the last time I google pictures of someone you mention, Dave ! :furious3:

[Kraxis]

I don't know what you are arguing about Kraxis.
Trying to spice it up a bit... Also bringing a bit of attention to the uncertainties of definitions. It is most certainly not a black and white world. But 'research' (as in 'research has shown') often puts it into this black and white world.

And I was half asleep when I wrote it. :rolleyes:

[Alexanderofmacedon]

How exactly do you go about asking "Do you have fantasies about being raped? Would you like to do it?":dizzy2:


Also, I think the number one fantasy is to be with an other woman. At least the pole I heard about...

[doc_bean]

I know a lot of girls who feel the same about lesbianism as most men do about homosexual guys: Ewwww !

I doubt that it's the number one fantasy. Maybe in a Maxim survey...

[Alexanderofmacedon]

It was a survey in San Antonio Texas (don't know if this sways results). I don't know, they sure do make for excellent videos ~;)

[Viking]

How exactly do you go about asking "Do you have fantasies about being raped? Would you like to do it?":dizzy2:

No, you ask: Tell us about your sex-fantasies. ~;)



I don't know, they sure do make for excellent videos ~;)

:2thumbsup:

[mercian billman]

:idea: There should be government-funded programs to make high quality porn available to everyone :2thumbsup:

I'm telling you there is a huge difference between high quality and low quality porn, not all porn is the same.

[Lazul]

I wouldnt mind some bondage... and I wasnt abused as a kid... proves that woman wrong! :laugh4:

[Samurai Waki]

meh. Porn really isn't the epicenter of my life anymore, after my awkward and confusing teenage years, I actually found out that the real thing is much...MUCH better:2thumbsup:

[Alexanderofmacedon]

meh. Porn really isn't the epicenter of my life anymore, after my awkward and confusing teenage years, I actually found out that the real thing is much...MUCH better:2thumbsup:

I hate you...

:help: :help: :help:

EDIT: At least my post count *cough* penis *cough* is bigger than yours ~;)

[KrooK]

I'm editing my post cause I used non acceptable language. I would apologise everyone who felt bad reading such a language.

Porn movies (i mean light porn, not child of animal) is something normal in my opinion. Earlier pps went to publish houses , now they are watching movies.
I don't think it causes rapes. Truth is that hardly even rapes has no causes - almost everytime woman or man do something that :"inspire" crime.

I think good resolution would be allowing on normal public houses like in Holland. If potencial rapers go to public houses, they usually don't feel necessity of rape. I'm talking about most typical rapers - peoples who are just feeling unstopable necessity of sex. If they get what they want into public house, they probably won't rape.
What do you think about it?

EDIT - This time I hope I didn't abuse anyone


Edited for language by Ser Clegane

[Samurai Waki]

At least my post count *cough* penis *cough* is bigger than yours ~;)

Keep dreaming and one day you won't have to stuff a banana in your pocket~;)

[Kraxis]

I think good resolution would be allowing on normal public houses like in Holland. If potencial rapers have sex with a prostitute, they wouldn't rape normal girl. What do you think about it?


Edited for language by Ser Clegane
Well, since most rapists are not into animal sex I'm not so sure about the bitch aspect, but prostitutes perhaps... I don't know really.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

Keep dreaming and one day you won't have to stuff a banana in your pocket~;)

You get a lot more "size" for your buck if you go with a cucumber...

I mean...err...

[A.Saturnus]

Porn movies (i mean light porn, not child of animal) is something normal in my opinion. Earlier pps went to publish houses , now they are watching movies.
I don't think it causes rapes. Truth is that hardly even rapes has no causes - almost everytime woman or man do something that :"inspire" crime.

I think good resolution would be allowing on normal public houses like in Holland. If potencial rapers ********, they wouldn't **** normal girl. What do you think about it?

I think that such language is not appropriate here and you should change it before a Tavern Mod sees it.

[Reenk Roink]

You get a lot more "size" for your buck if you go with a cucumber...

I mean...err...

:laugh3:

I have a whole bunch of funny things said on this forum, but that has definitely got to take the cake...

:laugh3: :laugh3: :laugh3:

[Harald Den BlåToth]

I would like some information/insight on how that jump is made.
Idiotic feminism, that's how "that jump is made".

[A.Saturnus]

Recently a left-wing student group here in Leuven protested against a party event that featured strippers for being sexist. But the event had both female and male strippers. Either that student group uses a very uncommon definition of sexist or they are sexist themselves.

[Kagemusha]

I think sex is basic need like food or sleep.People need it and they enjoy it.But im against showing Porn to children.Everything has its time on nature.When kids develope enough to be youngsters they will make sure themselves to find out what sex is about.About Prostitutes.Well its the oldest profession in the world. Over here the current law says that any adult can sell their body if they want but you cant sell sexual favours of another people(Pimp).
I dont know and i dont care what the feminist think about that ,but over here nobody really have to sell sexual favours in order to survive.The Social services will take care of that.Still there are people who sell their body. I can understand that there are people that wont get sex any other way then buying it like some disabled persons or those who just cant get enough ever(sexmaniacs).So in generally i dont have anything against buying or selling sex. But also over here there are imported women from the former Soviet Union and Eastern Europe that has been tricked over here by criminals with promises of great future and then made as sex slaves and their profits are going to Eastern Mafia. That is sick and should be routed out with great determination.

[TonkaToys]

You get a lot more "size" for your buck if you go with a cucumber...

I mean...err...


:laugh3:

I have a whole bunch of funny things said on this forum, but that has definitely got to take the cake...

:laugh3: :laugh3: :laugh3:

I didn't think cake would make as good a shape as a cucumber... I'll give it a try when I'm next out on the pull and let you know how it goes.

Hmm... which should I try? Fairy Cake, Swiss Roll, Sponge Finger or Jam Tart?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ok, here's what I think.

Everything in the media is going to have some effect on young people. That's unavoidable. But their parents, their family, and their peers will have a much greater effect. The problem isn't pornography, the problem is teenagers watching porno to find out what sex is since their parents were too embarrassed to talk to them about it.

So the real problem is people who are too uptight ~:)

[Byzantine Prince]

Actually I know a lot of middle-aged men who will watch porn with their girlfriends to learn new things about sex. If anything porn can be as an educational tool.

[English assassin]

Actually I know a lot of middle-aged men who will watch porn with their girlfriends to learn new things about sex. If anything porn can be as an educational tool.

Ahh, yes, the old "look love, I got this for both of us, its educational" ploy...:2thumbsup:

And its true too. How else would we know what three attractive young women having sex with each other on a pool table looked like?

I still want to know why its a rule they have to keep their shoes on though...

[Major Robert Dump]

I've dated just as many girls who like to watch porn as I have girls who would dump me if they ever knew I had porn. The ones who would dump me had nothing to do with religion, it was either some feminist garbage or insecurity, like not even wanting me to read a maxim because of all the bikini girls.

However, the girls who watched it tended to like more vanilla or girl oriented stuff, not the tacky, dmeaning stuff that is geared towards men nowadays, where woman are pretending to do things they obviously are not enjoying

[Byzantine Prince]

~:rolleyes: pretending?

[Goofball]

LOL, looks like leftist propaganda and Bush hatred has gone to a new level. Porn would go away if we were all Marxists? Are you payng for this "education" or is this free? Seriously, do you agree with her opinion?

I'll thank you to not paint the entire left with the same anti-porn brush.

I'm a lefty and I love teh pr0n.

:eyebrows:

[Alexanderofmacedon]

I'll thank you to not paint the entire left with the same anti-porn brush.

I'm a lefty and I love teh pr0n.

:eyebrows:

Me too

:eyebrows:

[GoreBag]

I still want to know why its a rule they have to keep their shoes on though...

Same reason you keep your boots on...

[R'as al Ghul]

Same reason you keep your boots on...

It gives you a better posture and your behind looks better?

[English assassin]

It gives you a better posture and your behind looks better?


Ooooh, R'as, you old charmer, you...:kiss: .(minces off to admire posterior in mirror)

[R'as al Ghul]

Ooooh, R'as, you old charmer, you...:kiss: .(minces off to admire posterior in mirror)

Not looking bad, EA. Try a bit more hollow-back.....yes that's it, honey. :gorgeous: ~:flirt:

[Lemur]

Looks as though British people are a bunch of pervs. This article proves it.
(http://news.ft.com/cms/s/c65a4966-bfbb-11da-939f-0000779e2340%2C_i_rssPage=daa36138-ce4f-11d7-81c6-0820abe49a01.html)
Not tonight darling, I’m online
By Adrian Turpin
Published: March 31 2006 15:19 | Last updated: March 31 2006 15:19

On a winter afternoon in Trafalgar Square, Michael (”Please don’t use my second name”) is trying to explain how the internet has changed his life and the lives of thousands like him.

“How many men are there here?” he asks, standing on the steps of St Martin in the Fields church. He surveys the tableau of anonymous office workers muffled against the cold. “Say there are 100, 200, 500...? How many will go home tonight and, with or without the knowledge of their partners, look at porn on the internet? You’d be surprised. Timothy Leary said about Sixties drug culture, ‘tune in and drop out’. The modern equivalent is ‘log on and get off’.”

He draws a line in the air between Nelson’s Column and the National Gallery. “You might think they don’t look the sort. Well, I don’t look the sort - but I’ve spent whole weekends with the curtains drawn, sitting in the dark apart from the blue light of the screen. It seems so creepy when it’s put like that.” He laughs and shrugs. “But everybody’s at it. Aren’t they?”

The question is all the more unsettling for being rhetorical. Can it be true that a great swathe of the UK population is spending its spare moments surfing for naked flesh and, if so, what effect might that have on the nation’s collective psyche? What does it say about our emotional lives? You don’t have to look far to find evidence that Michael’s “everyone’s at it” contains more than a kernel of truth.

Dr Marios Pierides is a consultant psychiatrist with the Capio Nightingale hospitals in London, who specialises in treating patients with addictions. “The man who tells you he hasn’t looked at pornography on the web is the man who tells you he hasn’t masturbated,” he says.

According to the internet filter company N2H2, its database of pages identified as pornography grew from 14 million in 1998 to 260 million in 2003, a 1,800 per cent increase. Type “XXX” into Google - a rough and ready reckoner of the number of adult sites - and you will get millions of results, while in January this year, The Washington Post reported that the online porn business was worth $2.5bn a year, compared with just $1.1bn for music downloads.

“One of my colleagues calls internet porn the crack cocaine of the internet,” Pierides says. “It would not be unreasonable to call it an epidemic. In the past 12 months, I’ve seen an explosion in the number of people referred to me with issues about it. It has tripled. This is causing real problems.

“I’ve had many wives complaining about it and simply going along with it, and the number of people in offices is startling. It’s now not at all uncommon for me to be consulted by high-flying professionals who fear their addiction will lead to them losing their jobs.”

The psychiatrist’s views find accord in the US. According to Mark Schwartz, the clinical director of the Masters and Johnson Clinic in St Louis, “Pornography is having a dramatic effect on relationships at many different levels and in many different ways - and nobody outside the sexual behaviour field and the psychiatric community is talking about it.”

Statistics about internet usage are often sketchy and raise as many questions as they answer. Still, the dots are there to be joined. In 2001, the internet tracking company Netvalue made headlines when it reported that more than a quarter of Britons who had access to the net from home had looked at adult websites over the course of a month. Of those, students (23 per cent), manual workers (15 per cent) and professionals (almost 13 per cent) were the most frequent visitors.

Now consider the near exponential increase in internet access in the past decade. The Office for National Statistics recorded that just 9 per cent of UK households were online in 1998; by 2004 that figure had risen to 52 per cent. The amount of time spent online seems to be expanding too. Last month, Google claimed that the average Briton now spends more time trawling the web (164 minutes a day) than watching television (148 minutes). It seems fair to assume that not all this time was spent innocently shopping on eBay or doing homework.

Given such growth, talk of pornography flooding into Britain’s homes as never before is neither hyperbolic nor judgmental; it’s a statement of fact. The internet has released a genie from the bottle. Once pornography had to be actively sought; now it is accessible and affordable for the majority of the population, anonymity guaranteed at the click of a mouse. The consequences are staggering. In 2004, the American internet tracking service ComScore revealed that more than 70 per cent of men aged 18-34 visit a pornographic site in a typical month. “It’s a high number,” one of the company’s analysts told The New York Times, “but it won’t shock anyone who’s worked in the industry.”

Michael is not shocked either. But nor is he entirely comfortable with his own situation. “When I talk to you about this for the first time, I feel queasy. It’s not quite a moral queasiness. I’m not talking about the ethics of pornography or the exploitation of women. Whatever I ought to feel about that, that’s the easiest bit for me to rationalise.

“It’s not sexual guilt. It’s more a sense of waste and puzzlement. What am I lacking in my life and my marriage that I need this? You are meant to get to know yourself as you get older. I’m 32 and sometimes I think I’m getting more confused, lost in cyberspace. But the most baffling thing is that I can say all this to you, but when I go home tonight I’ll probably boot up my machine and start all over again.”

I had found Michael through a friend of a friend, and e-mailed him a couple of weeks before our London meeting. I told him I was writing about how the internet had affected people’s relationships - more specifically about how the online revolution had brought the guilty secrets of pornography into men’s erotic lives. His first response was: “Why me?” His life was so ordinary. “Exactly,” I replied. “That’s the point.”

Michael was right about not seeming “the sort”. At first, we exchanged e-mails. For someone who spent so much time on line, he seemed awkward, cool to the point of terseness. It took a while before he told me his background: a happy childhood; two degrees - a bachelor’s from a red brick university and an Oxbridge PhD; a relatively high-flying job in academia that he liked rather than loved.

The really personal stuff was left until we met face to face - a face that seemed the antithesis of the pasty-faced onanist: shaven head, broad smile, good-looking in a slightly ruddy way with a self-deflating sense of humour.

Had he ever had problems establishing relationships with women? “I wasn’t Casanova,” he deadpanned. “Eight or ten relationships, flings, whatever, since I left university.” He met his wife five years ago, marrying in 2003. They have no children. “It’s a comfortable relationship,” he said. “But I would never tell her about the porn. It’s something I’d dabbled in occasionally for a long time. When I lived in London I would occasionally get magazines from a news stand outside Victoria station, always at night. But it was only really when I got the internet that I got serious.”

In the days before broadband, downloading pictures was painfully slow. He instead turned to MSN’s chat rooms, which have since closed down after the internet service provider became nervous about their ability to police paedophile activities. “I can’t remember the first time. But I can still remember the feeling. There was a sort of tingle of expectation - adrenaline - perhaps as the modem started to whine. I once read that some people get turned on just by hearing that sound. I can believe it.

“I’d be seeing a girlfriend but I’d choose to spend time getting aroused online rather than with her. It wasn’t always the case. Sometimes I’d go for weeks without logging on. But I’d always relapse in little bursts. A couple of hours a night for a week, if I got a chance.” By the time he was married the sessions sometimes lasted until three or four o’clock in the morning, after his wife had gone to bed. “Was it a sign that something was wrong with my relationship or that something was wrong with me?”

These days, Michael spends little time in chat rooms and more downloading pornographic pictures and videos from websites (he says that he prefers websites that show more natural, less silicone-enhanced women). His wife’s absence on business trips gives him time and opportunity to seek them out.

Has his online life changed the way Michael relates to her? “I don’t know. I really don’t know. I know I love her, although our sex life seems to have tapered off as I watch more. On a bad day, I feel it’s gnawing away at some human part of me.”

Jane Haynes knows all about the vagaries of human behaviour. For almost 20 years, she has practised as a relational psychotherapist, having trained as a Jungian psychoanalyst. Her consulting room at the Group Analytic Practice in London is discreetly tucked away in a mansion block near Marylebone Road. A box of tissues on the arm of the sofa suggests the hidden dramas that take place here, but Haynes radiates a soothing calm.

Never judgmental, she expresses wry wonder at the tangles in which people find themselves over sex. She used to be an actor. Now she often comes out of sessions with the words of A Midsummer Night’s Dream ringing in her head: “Lord, what fools [we] mortals be!”

She stresses that she speaks as a clinician rather than an academic, and she tells it as it is rather than as it ought to be: “In the last few years, the issue has come up more and more among the women I see professionally. I’m generally talking about women aged 30 to 40 who are outraged to find out that their husband is looking at some website or other. I hear it so often I sort of want to smile.

“In my work, I find it’s men who are bored by straight sex and women who say, ‘Why on earth, when I’ve only been married for a year, does my husband want me to take another woman to bed with us?’ So for me the big question is: what is the easy availability of porn doing to people’s minds and expectations?”

She is reluctant to take an ideological stance, pro- or anti-porn: “In my line of work I try to get people to understand that there are differences between men and women. And it may be that that, in the sexual arena, those differences are very profound.

“I have mainly found pornography to be a male problem. Unlike men, for example, very few women have problems that they’re more turned on by porn than by their partner. But then I don’t think men are naturally monogamous. So perhaps for them pornography is an attempt to come to terms with that without rocking the boat of their relationship. Domesticity is an enemy of the erotic life. I should also say there’s an important distinction to be made between porn used alone and pornography used together as a couple: sometimes consensual porn can actually enhance a relationship because it is shared and not split off into a private world.”

To some men, Haynes argues, clicking on porn is simply a way to pass the time. “It’s a hobby. Once they’d idly play solitaire; now they idly click on a porn site.” Others, though, succumb to addiction: “It isn’t just lonely, perverse men this happens to. It doesn’t just hit because men haven’t got a relationship. A man can be interacting well with his partner, but at the same time he’s addicted to these sites. That can be very distressing for him. Most addictions are to do with internal emptiness, wanting to fill up dead space, and addiction is always destructive.”

One problem is defining where normal behaviour ends and addiction begins - especially when so many people seem to be indulging. One much-quoted American survey labelled someone who looked at internet porn for more than 11 hours a week as a compulsive user. Using a similar benchmark, a study in 2000 by psychologists concluded that 200,000 people in the US were internet sex addicts.

Testifying to a US Senate committee in 1999, Dr Mary Anne Layden, co-director of the University of Pennsylvania’s sexual trauma and psychopathology programme, said that “even non sex-addicts will show brain reactions on PET [Positron Emission Tomography] scans while viewing pornography similar to cocaine addicts looking at images of cocaine.” The implication is that the human brain is hardwired to crave porn. Given the opportunity, we may all have the potential to become addicts.

I phone Michael. Does he think he’s addicted? “I haven’t bankrupted myself with subscriptions to porn sites. I’m still in a relatively stable relationship. And I’m not seeing a therapist, although I’ve thought about it,” he says. “But, yes, I know there’s an element of compulsion there.”

I tell him about how Pierides’ colleague described pornography as the crack cocaine of the internet. “I don’t feel like a crack addict, more like a binge drinker,” he replies, speaking low so that his wife can’t hear him in the other room.

“I know it’s not doing me good or making me happy at some level and I’d be embarrassed to let anyone know how much time I was spending online looking at porn. It’s like when the doctor asks how many units you’re drinking and you halve it.”

In the US, the debate about porn’s effect has been energised by the publication of Pamela Paul’s book, Pornified: How Pornography is Transforming Our Lives, Our Relationships and Our Families. Paul, a contributor to Time magazine and The New York Review of Books, describes herself as a liberal who had never really given pornography much thought before she came to write about it. “I set out to do a book that wasn’t politicised because I felt that people’s perceptions of the subject were set in stone.”

Her conclusions, however, echo many of the concerns of old-school feminists and the Bible-bashing right. “In America at least, a veil of political correctness has fallen over the subject. People think it’s either harmless entertainment or that it’s empowering or good for a relationship.”

What gives Paul’s polemic weight is the number of interviews she has done with users and those around them. “My starting point was that we knew about the supply but very little about the demand,” she says. If she thought that porn fans would be another species, she was soon disabused. One of the author’s first finds was Jonah, a religious school teacher who enjoyed looking at images of genital torture.

“I found him on the internet absolutely anonymously,” she says. “But it turned out that he used to work with me. He would have been the last person who I’d have thought would have been into that kind of thing.”

The words of Pornified’s female interviewees make uncomfortable reading. There is Ashley, whose boyfriend is quite open in his use of pornography but finds it hard to maintain an erection. Every man she has dated fixates on porn: “Their view of sex is really skewed. It’s gotten dirtier, raunchier. They want you to do a lot of degrading things.”

Bridget, a 38-year-old accountant from Kentucky, feels rejected by her partner: “When I found out he was looking at all this porn I just felt thrown away.”

Variations on this story recur repeatedly in Paul’s book - and are echoed on hundreds of websites about the subject. Typical are such women as marriedlove, who logged on to the “Husbands and internet porn” discussion board at www.aphroditewomenshealth in February. “I’m often struck in these (increasingly common!) debates over porn, how often female frigidity is referred to as cause for frequency of male porn use,” she writes.

“I’d be happy to engage in some form of sexual play or another with my partner multiple times per day, but he still looks at porn alllllll the time. Maybe I’m unique in this, but I don’t think so.”

In Pornified, however, it’s the testimony of the men that is most striking. “Overall one of the surprising things was the extent to which men would talk to me,” Paul said. Kevin, a 32-year-old photographer from Colorado, describes how, having broken up with his fiancee, he began to go online looking for porn almost daily: “I would want more and more. It wasn’t enough to see bare breasts, it had to be bottoms, then it had to be couple, anal and group sex, multiple men and multiple women, bisexual.”

“More than anything else it was making me jaded,” Kevin tells Paul. “I wasn’t finding pleasure in the little things, with women or with life in general. Things that used to be erotic bored me.”

Harrison, a graphic designer, finds his appetite for porn interfering with his libido: “I’ve gotten used to a certain heightened level of stimulation, and when compared with porn, real sex just isn’t that exciting.” (Jane Haynes knows this pattern only too well: “I see it time and again clinically. Porn doesn’t enhance libido, it tends to drain it, which is what drives thinking men to despair.”)

Pornified is subtle enough not to depict the world in black and white. There are men, couples and occasionally even solo women who profess to love porn, use it, and believe they have no problem controlling any demons it might unleash. But the overwhelming tone of the book is of male melancholy, best summed up by Kevin. “I don’t know if porn was an addiction for me,” he tells Paul, after deciding to stop looking at adult material online. “I don’t think so. But it was certainly a depressant.”

For Paul, the problem with porn is as much about self-harm as it is about objectifying women. “It’s like before [Eric Schlosser’s book] Fast Food Nation or [Morgan Spurlock’s film] Super Size Me people didn’t know junk food was bad. They just thought it tasted good. They didn’t know about the odd chemicals and cooking processes that go into a chicken nugget.” The difference is that where McDonald’s or Burger King can only be found on the high street, the majority of homes now offer the means to view internet porn.

For Michael, however, ease of access is only part of the problem. “It’s easy to think of the internet as just another medium,” he says, “a high-tech version of dirty magazines or films. I think that’s fundamentally wrong.

“To me, the most disturbing thing about the internet is that it has the perfect structure to promote dissatisfaction. You click on an image, it’s not quite right. So you click on another, then another. It’s completely open-ended. If you just keep looking there’ll be that image that’s just right. But the more you look, the less you get turned on by the stuff you did before. So, you have to search harder.”

You don’t have to be a moralist to see a downside in millions of men regularly seeking oblivion in an activity that is doomed to disappoint them and which (if Paul’s interviewees are typical) frequently depresses them.

However you judge it, the scale of this flight into fantasy is strange. To some it may look like both symptom and symbol of a wider malaise, marking a collective failure to connect with one other and engage with reality. Has an addictive, acquisitive society lost sight of what makes it happy beyond the next serotonin-inducing surfing session?

Pornified’s most memorable quote pursues a similar train of thought. “The metaphor of a man masturbating at his computer is the Willy Loman of our decade,” says Mark Schwartz of the Masters and Johnson Clinic, referring to the spiritually rudderless protagonist of Arthur Miller’s play, Death of a Salesman. “In a sociologist’s terms, it’s anomie - the completely lonely, isolated man having sex with an airbrushed woman on a computer screen. It’s truly pathetic, even tragic.”

What might this mean for children and adolescents learning about sex? Pamela Paul quotes the feminist writer Naomi Wolf: “Young men and women are indeed being taught what sex is, how it looks, what its etiquette and expectations are, by pornographic training - and this is having a huge effect on how they interact.”

Certainly, familiarity with adult material appears to be starting earlier. “It’s not uncommon for children to be talking about internet pornography in the playground,” says Dr Pierides. A 2003 study for the London School of Economics (LSE), “UK Children Go Online”, found that 75 per cent of nine- to 19-year-olds have accessed the internet from home. Of these, 57 per cent say they have seen pornography online, 36 per cent have accidentally found themselves on a sexually explicit website, and 25 per cent have received a pornographic e-mail.

But the effect of such exposure is almost impossible to quantify. “There just isn’t the data,” says Sonia Livingstone, who co-authored the LSE report. “The ethical problems of conducting research involving children are so great it’s hard to identify the areas for concern.”

Unflappable as ever, Jane Haynes counsels against a moral panic. “To some degree, where there is more openness about sex, boys are probably less driven in wanting to explore it. My 14-year-old grandson has seen a lot of porn on the internet and he is completely dismissive of it.

“You could say, though, that we are undergoing a huge experiment. This is the first generation who are flicking on pornographic websites in front of their parents - when it comes to 18-year-olds, you’ll find that a lot in professional families. I think it will take years to know what the implications are of young people having absolutely easy access to this material.”

If the genie of instantly accessible porn can’t be recorked, what can be done about it? For Haynes, used to picking up the pieces, that question is about as useful as asking what to do about the weather. “You can stop people watching pornography in offices,” she says. “You can stop people watching it in schools. But it’s there and it’s only there because there’s such a huge demand for it.”

Marios Pierides - dealing with the sharp end of addiction - prescribes psychotherapy and sometimes drugs. “Interestingly, a number of studies show that some antidepressants can have an effect on the problem,” he says.

Pamela Paul advocates what she terms “censure not censor”. The tub-thumping conclusion to her book is a call to arms against liberal relativism. “Pornography,” she declares, “is a moving target and it’s time we catch up with it. For years, the pornography industry and the pornified culture have told women to shut up or turn a blind eye. They have accused anti-pornography activists, or even those who have dared question their profit equation, of being anti-sex and anti-freedom... Those who are quiet must now speak out.”

For Michael, at least, the process of speaking seems to have been therapeutic. A couple of weeks after our meeting in Trafalgar Square, an e-mail from him arrives. “Cold turkey”, reads the header. With his wife trying for a baby, he’s been thinking about his online pursuits and it seems like a good time to stop.

For the immediate future, he intends to keep his study door open and avoid working at home while she is out of town. The credit card subscriptions have been cancelled and the history of the internet sites visited erased from his computer for the last time, or so he hopes. “One down, several million to go,” Michael drily concludes. “Failing that, same time, same place next year?”

[Paul Peru]

I do find pornography very detrimental to the respect for women and, along with Hollywood, entertainment, etc, it puts great stress on women to be "hot" or sexual objects. Some women may want to be dominated in the bedroom but the way porn and many other entertainment outlets there are, you could almost assume that the majority want this sort of treatment. Women have come a long way through many struggled to be recognised by society as something more than sperm dumpsters and house slaves, its unfortunate that there are industries actively promoting the idea that women "want" to be treated like crap.
Hmmm... I totally agree with Dave.... :inquisitive:
This is a turnip: http://images.chron.com/content/news/photos/05/01/19/rootvegs.jpg

Some pron:

I'm touching Bush! (huh huh)

[A.Saturnus]

“I don’t know if porn was an addiction for me,” he tells Paul, after deciding to stop looking at adult material online. “I don’t think so. But it was certainly a depressant.”

And why is that? Because porn users get marginalized. Using porn is normal and no one should be ashamed about it. The Romans decorated the interior of their houses with porn, in India religious buildings depict porn. We just need to be less hysterical about sex.

[Byzantine Prince]

I agree with Sat. Porn is only depressing when other people comment on it being shameful and pathetic. It's natural to watch images of that type.

[Viking]

And why is that? Because porn users get marginalized. Using porn is normal and no one should be ashamed about it. The Romans decorated the interior of their houses with porn, in India religious buildings depict porn. We just need to be less hysterical about sex.

Well, about every male teenager(below 16) these day have porn in some way on their mobilephone, not to mention on the computer..