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Malrubius and others are closing in on the cause of the reinforcement CTD Bug. To help us out, we need for you to post ANY save games in which you had a CAPTAIN-LED army and still experienced the Reinforcement CTD bug. An example of this was provided by abou in this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1101110&postcount=26).
We don't need for you to type up reams of data, just post the save game along with a very brief description of what happened and your EB version (v.72, v.73, or v.74). Posting the file can be done using any of the many free file hosting services, such as Axifile (http://www.axifile.com/index.php). Thank You!!
OK. The paucity of responses indicates just how rare this occurrence is. So I'd like to make this request to all the players out there. If you have an army about to go into a reinforcement type battle, please remove your general from the stack and run a TEST, Captain-led battle. If you should get a CTD (and the odds are you won't), PLEASE post it here in this thread. We really need additional examples of this occurrence.
Thanks!
I remember a battle I had a while ago as the Seleukids. My captain attacked a rebel captain's army plus we both had reinforcements (also captains).
I won and there was no CTD whatsoever, actually I never had this reinforcements CTD you speak of.
Don't have a saved game though, hope this helps!
A Captain-led Reinforcement CTD battle is extremely rare, hence the request for more examples. So to clarify, if you do NOT have a CTD, that's "normal", and I don't need those files. Thanks!
Maybe the reason why it is extremely rare is because it is in those cases that the captain gets the merit to be adopted?
If the bug is in the traits file, then that would make sense. I believe the game draws up a VIP file for the captain once he can POTENTIALLY become a family member.
Maybe the reason why it is extremely rare is because it is in those cases that the captain gets the merit to be adopted?
If the bug is in the traits file, then that would make sense. I believe the game draws up a VIP file for the captain once he can POTENTIALLY become a family member.
That's sort of what I'm looking for. In the only existing all-captains CTD game, I was able to play my faction and just barely win (Average Victory), and it still CTD'd. Since the victory was average and the faction has 24 family members for a 21 province empire, "Man-of-the-Hour" was extremely unlikely to have occurred. However. If you back away from the battle (thus avoiding the CTD), you are presented with a new son-in-law EVERY time. So there is somebody out there who's receiving traits during the turn of the CTD. Is this a stretch? Absolutely! But until I can find another all-captain CTD game, it's impossible to determine if this is just a coincidence.
And now you know why I'm sooooo interested in getting my hands on another save game!
It's weird that there aren't any CTD's being reported and posted here. I remember a while back, every other thread seemed to be about reinforcement ctd's. I haven't had a ctd myself since the latest patch, which I'm happy about but unfortunately can't contribute here.
MaximianusBR
04-23-2006, 00:56
im having probs with that bug but the army lead by an general
Does it matter what faction its with? I'm trying the independants out and there's lots of opportunities to fight re-inforcement battles with and without generals.
Does it matter what faction its with? I'm trying the independants out and there's lots of opportunities to fight re-inforcement battles with and without generals.
The factions are not a concern. The only requirements are :
1) Three or more armies
2) No family members/generals (i.e. all captains)
Obviously this is pretty rare, or we'd see more of them. Here's my theory, except I don't have enough evidence to confirm it:
"All-captain battles will only cause a CTD IF your faction gains a new family member on the same turn."
So one way to actively test for this is to try and set up an all-captain battle on the SAME TURN that one of your boys is going to become a general. Far less controllable, would be to have these battles when a daughter is available for marriage (although one never knows when she'll get the offer.)
NOTE: Hmmmm. Thinking about that "son grows to manhood" idea. If you can set-up an all captain's battle on that turn and it DOESN'T CTD, I'd like to see that file posted too. Post the save before the battle, so I can fight it out and then see the son coming of age. I'm not entirely sure this is the same game mechanism as that which provides husbands (in terms of timing and such), so it may not be a good test of the theory.
I'm going to spend a couple of hours helping with this issue now... I'll play on easy and use the add money cheat and try to get as many captain battles as possible...
But in my game i get the reinforcement CTD even if there are generals, you guys know about this one right? (I haven't read the bug forums for months, haven't been playing EB much as i'm waiting for the port).
Right i've just had one battle with 2 of my armies led by captains against one enemy army led by a captain, fought the battle out and no CTD, so Kull, your theory may be right. I'll try and get more.
Just had another. 2 armies of mine led by captains against 2 armies of Makedonia led by captains. Played out the battle and no CTD.
Another. 2 captain led armies of mine, 1 captain led makedonian army, no CTD. (I am losing these battles btw).
And another - 2 armies of mine led by captains against a makedonian captain led army. No CTD.
I'm playing as the Epirotes, haven't taken any cities, don't have any sons/daughters coming of age and so no new family members could have appeared whilst doing those 4 battles.
Thanks for running these tests Dayve. The thing is, I pretty much expect that you'll never get a CTD from an all-captain's battle, UNLESS you pick up a new family member on the same turn. If possible, try and run one of these battles on the turn that one of your sons is promoted to general. Or while an eligible daughter is awaiting a husband.
I may have disproven your theory.
I've just had a battle, 4 captain led armies altogether. I finished the battle, (lost) and then got the adoption window for my daughter to marry a man when it came back around to my turn. Do you want this save game file?
Can't have it - Forgot to quicksave.. Haha... You'll just have to take my word for it. I shall do more tomorrow, but getting the AI to attack me with only captain led armies just as a son is about to come of age is very difficult... All i have to do is put 2 of my armies side by side, but it's up to the AI if it attacks me or what it attacks me with.
Nothing yet playing the independants, though, do they work like a normal faction? Also, if the rest of the material needed for the port to 1.5 is done except for this CTD being solved, will we still see the port? Maybe it'll happily disappear?
I may have disproven your theory.
I've just had a battle, 4 captain led armies altogether. I finished the battle, (lost) and then got the adoption window for my daughter to marry a man when it came back around to my turn. Do you want this save game file? Can't have it - Forgot to quicksave.. Haha... You'll just have to take my word for it.
Damn, that's too bad. I would LOVE to have played it out, gotten a victory, and seen if that would lead to the CTD. Do you have an earlier save that can be used to recreate this situation?
I shall do more tomorrow, but getting the AI to attack me with only captain led armies just as a son is about to come of age is very difficult... All i have to do is put 2 of my armies side by side, but it's up to the AI if it attacks me or what it attacks me with.
Actually this should be fairly easy to pull off. Just find a captain-led rebel stack and position two of your armies nearby. Then launch the attack at the right time.
Nothing yet playing the independants, though, do they work like a normal faction? Also, if the rest of the material needed for the port to 1.5 is done except for this CTD being solved, will we still see the port? Maybe it'll happily disappear?
The independents should work like anyone else in this regard. We will complete the port internally and then test for the CTD. It won't hold up the release even if it doesn't go away (in that case we'd probably need public testing to further track it down).
Forget that.
I just started a game as Makedonia, Kull. I killed off two family members, leaving only 1, and a daughter elligable for marriage, meaning that i get a proposal literally every turn because i have only 1 family member. I have this save game, the Greeks are sieging Korinthos and i have an army stood outside, all captain led. I ended my turn, they attacked me and my army from Korinthos was drawn in as reinforcements, i fought the battle and won a heroic victory, had no CTD, and then on my turn i got a candidate for adoption.
Do you want this save?
Excellent idea! And yes, please provide the save game! :2thumbsup:
http://www.axifile.com?5841382 There you go.
It is with the 0.74 patch and the traits patch that was released on April 1st.
Just end your turn and the Greeks will attack the army thet is sat outside Korinthos, which will bring the garrison from the city into battle as reinforcements and so you have 3 captain led armies. Then, on the next turn you will get a candidate for adoption since all but 1 family members are dead.
I won a heroic victory and went on to get a candidate for adoption on my turn with no CTD.
Traits Patch? The only one I know of was specifically designed to eliminate the awarding of most traits, thereby (hopefully) rendering the Reinforcement CTD all but impossible to get. If that's what you are using, your tests are not going to provide the results we'd expect from a typical v.74 installation.
No, there was another traits patch released by Malrubius on April 1. I haven't downloaded it because I'd have to restart campaigns, but its on the first page or two of the forum.
Actually, it was several pages back. here's a link (I hope): link (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1107372&postcount=1)
No, there was another traits patch released by Malrubius on April 1.
Looks like the joke was on me. :laugh4:
Gahhh. Save games are not compatible, which means updating my v.74 in order to test your file......hmmmm. I'll try it anyway, and if no dice I'll have to create a new v.74b version for this kind of testing.
What CTD stand for?
Crash To Desktop
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