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Alexanderofmacedon
04-03-2006, 00:54
I've been reading up on some of India's government, and I think they have some really interesting ideas. Check this out.
http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_news.asp?section=World_News&subsection=India&month=April2006&file=World_News2006040314548.xml
Also,
Kerala occupies only 1.2% of India's land area, yet it has 3.4% of India's population. Like any socialist system, Kerala spends what little resources it has on services such as health care, food, and basic education--equal for both men and women. Kerala is one of only a few anti-caste systems in India. Perhaps it is because there is a mixture of the Islamic and Christian religions. Both religions would tempt a lower caste Hindu to convert in order to avoid the stigma associated with the lower castes. This lack of strict caste structure could also result from the influence of the Communist Party of India which sought to abolish the caste system. The CPI was unsuccessful in uniting the castes in most of India, hence the failure of the movement, but it is a possibility in this situation. As mentioned above, Kerala is involved in active trade in a capitalist system. This is precisely what the communist movement was against when it can into being in India. However, Kerala is also the home of the first democratically elected Marxist government modeled on Chinese and Soviet influences rather than the "social justice" ideas of Gandhi. This system is what allows for the health care system, reliable food supply, and educational system mentioned above thereby maintaining a comfortable standard of living in Kerala amidst much squalor and turmoil which exists throughout India.
http://www.english.emory.edu/Bahri/communism.html
I think this might be a good idea. A democraticly elected Marxist government. Maybe not for some of the more prosperous nations such as the UK, or the United States, but it seems like a good try for India.
Thoughts? Comments? Am I an idiot?:sweatdrop:
:2thumbsup:
Kaiser of Arabia
04-03-2006, 01:21
After a year it would be a dictatorship.
Strike For The South
04-03-2006, 01:37
Why do you hate freedom?
I think this might be a good idea. A democraticly elected Marxist government. Maybe not for some of the more prosperous nations such as the UK, or the United States, but it seems like a good try for India.
:2thumbsup:
Sorry, I couldn't disagree more. I hate Marxism and everything it stands for.
In a way, the Bolsheviks were elected. They had approximately half the representatives in the Allrussian Soyuz of the Revultionary period. Now open a history book and look at where it landed Russia.
While we're talking of democracy ... don't forget ... Hitler also won democratically, Emperor Napoleon I too. Not to mention Emperor Napoleon III.
it looks interesting... (and plausibly a good idea for india, although i dont really know enough about it)
Why do you hate freedom?
:laugh4:
After a year it would be a dictatorship.
:laugh4:
It's been run by the marxists and communists for about 10 years.
It's been run by the marxists and communists for about 10 years.
Indeed, it's been run by them since 1957, give or take a few breaks.
The state is famous internationally for its social achievements, although like India in general until recently, it has not been a notable economic success.
Indeed, it's been run by them since 1957, give or take a few breaks.
The state is famous internationally for its social achievements, although like India in general until recently, it has not been a notable economic success.
Communist lies!
I'M NOT LISTENING *puts fingers in ears and hums loudly*
:laugh4:
Kralizec
04-03-2006, 14:13
Allthough the PRC and the SU were bad attempts at marxism to begin with, I'm no fan of marxism in general. Granted, some socialist ideas might be beneficial to India like eradicating caste distinctions and affordable healthcare. But implementing socialism entirely, while maybe yielding some short term benefits, won't help India -or any country- in the long run.
:2cents:
Btw AoM, do lower caste members in India have voting rights?
IIRC, from my research for a thesis, the goverment does not accept the existance of castes. Castes have been put outside the law, much like many byproducts of the caste system, such as dowry (which was the theme for my thesis, BTW).
Evidence and research indicates that, despite this, the caste system does persist, if mainly through tradition and in the minds of the poeple. Interestingly enough, it is the former upper castes that are embracing the western standards of equality, while those lower in the ladder are the ones maintaining the caste system.
It is also interesting that marxism continues ... the sole difference is that it's dogmatic forms (such as the Soviet Union, and a few other offshoots) are dying (or dead). Modern socialism is, in essence, Marxist, communism was a byproduct ... so, in essence I see no problem with marxists, as long as they are not of the communist orientation.
Alexanderofmacedon
04-03-2006, 22:00
Allthough the PRC and the SU were bad attempts at marxism to begin with, I'm no fan of marxism in general. Granted, some socialist ideas might be beneficial to India like eradicating caste distinctions and affordable healthcare. But implementing socialism entirely, while maybe yielding some short term benefits, won't help India -or any country- in the long run.
:2cents:
Btw AoM, do lower caste members in India have voting rights?
It depends. Many parties are trying to destroy the caste system to give more equal rights. I would think in some places they can vote and would be encouraged to, but in some places not. I'm sure there are no written rules...
SFTS: :laugh4: I don't hate freedom. First of all, it's still a democracy. Second of all, I stated quite clearly it is beneficial in India, but maybe not elsewhere in the West.
Kaiser: Like many other members have said: It's been up for quite a while :book:
The Wizard
04-03-2006, 22:13
Marxism has never and will never work. It was flawed from the outset.
i know it never can, but if it could, it would be brilliant :2thumbsup:
Kaiser of Arabia
04-04-2006, 00:12
:laugh4:
It's been run by the marxists and communists for about 10 years.
And it's probably just becoming a quasidictatorship. Damn commies.
YOUR A COMMIE AREN'T YOU!
Alexanderofmacedon
04-04-2006, 01:34
And it's probably just becoming a quasidictatorship. Damn commies.
YOUR A COMMIE AREN'T YOU!
Shut up, you practically worship Mussolini :laugh4:
Strike For The South
04-04-2006, 01:39
Shut up, you practically worship Mussolini :laugh4:
Ya and he was a facist.:inquisitive:
Kaiser of Arabia
04-04-2006, 02:12
Shut up, you practically worship Mussolini :laugh4:
In Soviet Kerala, Mussolini worships me!
AggonyDuck
04-04-2006, 02:20
Marxism has never and will never work. It was flawed from the outset.
Actually I'd bet that it would actually work quite well in a small isolated community. But on the other hand when it comes to a state, it won't work.
Alexanderofmacedon
04-04-2006, 03:56
Ya and he was a facist.:inquisitive:
I know, we're on a topic of not being "patriotic" i figured, so...
...shut up
Avicenna
04-05-2006, 02:26
Bolsheviks weren't really elected.. once they ousted the Provisional Government they were the only party to be votable for, so there's no way they couldn't be elected.
Kerala just has its own history, with the women traditionally being more important and now less so, explaining why even though it's so undeveloped and poor, it is still a sector with some of the lowest birth rates, highest women literacy level and higher life expectancy.
Marxism doesn't guarantee food: look at the Russians when first under the Bolsheviks and how many starved to death. Look at North Korea now, needing so much food aid.
Education? the problem is no matter how many schools there are, if you kill the better teachers like the Bolsheviks and CPC did, it won't do you much good.
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