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Hurin_Rules
05-02-2006, 20:50
Some interesting findings in a recent medical study:


Blimey! Americans sicker than the Brits
More in U.S. suffer chronic diseases despite more health care spending

Updated: 2:44 p.m. ET May 2, 2006
CHICAGO - Middle-aged, white Americans are much sicker than their counterparts in England, startling new research shows, despite U.S. health care spending per person that’s more than double what Britain spends.

A higher rate of Americans tested positive for diabetes and heart disease than the British. Americans also self-reported more diabetes, heart attacks, strokes, lung disease and cancer.

The gap between the countries holds true for educated and uneducated, rich and poor.


“At every point in the social hierarchy there is more illness in the United States than in England and the differences are really dramatic,” said study co-author Dr. Michael Marmot, an epidemiologist at University College London in England.

The study, appearing in Wednesday’s Journal of the American Medical Association, adds context to the already-known fact that the United States spends more on health care than any other industrialized nation, yet trails in rankings of life expectancy.

The United States spends about $5,200 per person on health care while England spends about half that in adjusted dollars.

“Everybody should be discussing it: Why isn’t the richest country in the world the healthiest country in the world?” Marmot said.

“It’s something of a mystery,” said Richard Suzman of the U.S. National Institutes of Health, which helped fund the study.


The researchers looked for answers in the data, which came from government-sponsored health surveys. The research was supported by grants from government agencies in both countries. A U.S. researcher from the Rand Corp. was on the team.

Americans more obese
Smoking rates are about the same on both sides of the pond. Brits have a higher rate of heavy drinking, but a higher percentage of Americans are obese.

The researchers crunched numbers to create a hypothetical statistical world in which the British had American lifestyle risk factors, including being as fat as Americans. In that model, the researchers found Americans still would be sicker.

Only non-Hispanic whites were included in the study to eliminate the influence of racial disparities. The researchers looked only at people ages 55 through 64, and the average age of the samples was the same.

Americans reported twice the rate of diabetes compared to the British: 12.5 percent versus 6 percent. For high blood pressure, it was 42 percent for Americans versus 34 percent for the British; cancer showed up in 9.5 percent of Americans compared to 5.5 percent of Britains.

The upper crust in both countries was healthier than middle-class and low-income people in the same country. But richer Americans’ health status resembled the health of the low-income British.


Health experts have known the U.S. population is less healthy than that of other industrialized nations, according to several important measurements. U.S. life expectancy, for example, ranks behind that of about two dozen other countries, according to the World Health Organization.

Some have believed the U.S. has lagged because it has a more ethnically diverse population than some of the higher-ranking countries, said Suzman, who heads the National Institute on Aging’s Behavioral and Social Research Program. “Minority health in general is worse than white health,” he said.

But the new study showed that when minorities are removed from the equation, and adjustments are made to control for education and income, white people in England are still healthier than white people in the United States.

“As far as I know, this is the first study showing this,” said Suzman who called the results “surprising.” But some other experts said the findings were predictable.

No financial safety net
Earlier studies have shown the United States does a poorer job than other industrialized countries at providing primary medical care to its citizens, particularly to those with less education and income, said Dr. Barbara Starfield, a professor of health policy and pediatrics at Johns Hopkins University.

“Countries oriented toward providing good primary care basically do better in health,” she said.

Marmot offered yet another explanation for the gap: Americans’ financial insecurity. Improvements in household income have eluded all but the top fifth of Americans since the mid-1970s. Meanwhile, the British saw their incomes improve, he said.

Robert Blendon, a professor of health policy at the Harvard School of Public Health who was not involved in the study, said the stress of striving for the American dream may account for Americans’ lousy health.

“The opportunity to go both up and down the socioeconomic scale in America may create stress,” Blendon said. Americans don’t have a reliable government safety net like the English enjoy, Blendon said.

However, Britain’s universal health-care system shouldn’t get credit for better health, Marmot and Blendon agreed.

Both said it might explain better health for low-income citizens, but can’t account for better health of Britain’s more affluent residents.

Marmot cautioned against looking for explanations in the two countries’ health-care systems.

“It’s not just how we treat people when they get ill, but why they get ill in the first place,” Marmot said.

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Ser Clegane
05-02-2006, 21:07
Middle-aged, white Americans are much sicker than their counterparts in England, startling new research shows, despite U.S. health care spending per person that’s more than double what Britain spends.

Of course one could also argue that English/Brits (both terms seem to be used quite freely here) need to spend less on health care because they are healthier... ~;)

yesdachi
05-02-2006, 21:46
We spend our healthcare money on Twinkies! They taste great and cure cancer. Well, they really don’t taste that great and I don’t think they do anything for cancer but just to make sure I better have another two pack!

Seriously thou, our healthcare IMO is drastically overpriced and the quality we receive is crappy and only focused on fixing a problem and hardly ever on prevention. The system is a quagmire of doctors, hospitals and insurance companies all trying to get their cut and it ends up costing the personal service the I think people need. Plus, we have to pay extra so the drug companies can run a commercial for some erectile dysfunction drug every10 minutes. Heck, we could probably cure cancer with the money spent on commercials about “Bob” and his wood.



Post # 1,000!

Redleg
05-02-2006, 22:19
That and most Americans have to much sugar and fat in our diets.

I am very guilty of having to much sugar - considering I drink 6 cans of Coca Cola or more a day.......

Diabeties here I come if I don't slow it down. :help:

rory_20_uk
05-02-2006, 22:22
[Sigh]

STOP DRINKING
STOP OVEREATING
STOP SMOKING
TAKE SOME EXCERSISE!!!

If we'd do that the rest of the health system ceases to matter in terms of morbidity and mortality.

Doctors have been saying the above for years. That's prevention - but no one want to hear that. They want to lie their lives as they want, and the Doctors there to basically let them continue doing so.

Pharmaceutical companies are like any other. They are no more and no less moral. Why should they be? They are businesses! It costs about $500,000,000 for one drug to reach market on average.

~:smoking:

Csargo
05-02-2006, 23:03
[Sigh]


TAKE SOME EXCERSISE!!!



I didnt know there was a little pill you could take to get exercise. Where do you get it at?:dizzy2:

rory_20_uk
05-02-2006, 23:19
There's not a pill, but soon GPs can prescribe it as such.

~:smoking:

Alexanderofmacedon
05-03-2006, 01:38
I'm always "sick" before school or soccer. That might be your reason. America is lazy. :sweatdrop:

Reenk Roink
05-03-2006, 04:20
considering I drink 6 cans of Coca Cola or more a day.......

Lucky...I wish I could be you...

My mom hates me drinking any pop at all...

I have to sneak it in (and candies)... :shame:

AntiochusIII
05-03-2006, 06:47
Lucky...I wish I could be you...

My mom hates me drinking any pop at all...

I have to sneak it in (and candies)... :shame:Ouch. My family's so lenient that I does not drink any soda/pop/coke/magical water myself.

"Hey, [my name], why don't you drink some coke?"

"No, thanks."

Of course the Americans could be sicker than the Brits. After all, we have more tropical and desert regions, the former are renown for their disease and the latter the sudden change of weather can do some harm. Remember the Jamestown at its beginning?

That's not taking account of the culture, etc.

Papewaio
05-03-2006, 09:23
Its not only the amount of sugar it is the type of sugar that is used.

Some types will trigger your body to say "Yum, had enough to eat now"... that is the type you want in a desert.

Others your body will go "Sweet but I don't feel full so I still want more." ... so you will gorge yourself as the sugars supplied don't trip the trigger.

English assassin
05-03-2006, 10:07
Brits have a higher rate of heavy drinking

At last, proof that (real) beer is good for you. THIS is what we pay scientists for.


The researchers crunched numbers to create a hypothetical statistical world in which the British had American lifestyle risk factors, including being as fat as Americans. In that model, the researchers found Americans still would be sicker.

This is the interesting bit. There is something at work that isn't an acknowledged lifestyle risk factor and that makes you ill. Could it be the "stress of striving for the American dream"? Sounds a bit glib to me. But if not that, then what.

Idaho
05-03-2006, 12:14
That and most Americans have to much sugar and fat in our diets.

I am very guilty of having to much sugar - considering I drink 6 cans of Coca Cola or more a day.......

Diabeties here I come if I don't slow it down. :help:

6 Cans! That's 10.6grams of sugar per 100ml. 1 can is 330ml x 6 = 2000ml approx 210 grams of sugar a day - just from Coke. Basically a bag and a half of sugar every week (our sugar gets sold in 1 kilo bags). If I guess your weight at 80 kilos then you are consuming your own body weight in sugar every month or so.

Try something for me (and for you!): Cut out all sugar for two days. Nothing with any sugar in at all. Just two days. And just to complete the picture, have no fruit juice or honey in those two days either.

I too was a sugar addict until last year. The cold turkey from it showed me how badly messed up my metabolism was. I am pretty sure you will get the same withdrawls that I got ~:eek:

Devastatin Dave
05-03-2006, 19:23
It might be because of the higher amount of liguid protien on average the Brittish male population intakes compared to the American male. Intersting study.

master of the puppets
05-03-2006, 20:35
people are obese cause there idiots and don't exercise, i'm guilty of overeating when its good food but i simply work it all off in a day, its not that hard.:laugh4:

English assassin
05-04-2006, 17:55
It might be because of the higher amount of liguid protien on average the Brittish male population intakes compared to the American male.

Nah, that's just our prime minister you are thinking of, whenever Georgie is in town touting another war...

Redleg
05-04-2006, 18:08
6 Cans! That's 10.6grams of sugar per 100ml. 1 can is 330ml x 6 = 2000ml approx 210 grams of sugar a day - just from Coke. Basically a bag and a half of sugar every week (our sugar gets sold in 1 kilo bags). If I guess your weight at 80 kilos then you are consuming your own body weight in sugar every month or so.

Try something for me (and for you!): Cut out all sugar for two days. Nothing with any sugar in at all. Just two days. And just to complete the picture, have no fruit juice or honey in those two days either.

I too was a sugar addict until last year. The cold turkey from it showed me how badly messed up my metabolism was. I am pretty sure you will get the same withdrawls that I got ~:eek:

Done this several times. however I am weak and continue to return to the suger.

Damn that must make me an addict. :oops:

Devastatin Dave
05-04-2006, 19:18
Nah, that's just our prime minister you are thinking of, whenever Georgie is in town touting another war...
:laugh4: :2thumbsup:

Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
05-04-2006, 19:30
At last, proof that (real) beer is good for you. THIS is what we pay scientists for.

This is the interesting bit. There is something at work that isn't an acknowledged lifestyle risk factor and that makes you ill. Could it be the "stress of striving for the American dream"? Sounds a bit glib to me. But if not that, then what.

Actually life expectancy dropped when the English went from beer to tea in the 18th Century, cripes, I need a cup.

*Goes away.*

*Comes back with Earl Grey.*

Maybe Americans just have worse genetics.:2thumbsup:

Devastatin Dave
05-04-2006, 19:35
double post, sorry I must be under the weather. :)

PantsToucher
05-04-2006, 22:42
That and most Americans have to much sugar and fat in our diets.

I am very guilty of having to much sugar - considering I drink 6 cans of Coca Cola or more a day.......

Diabeties here I come if I don't slow it down. :help:


Lucky...I wish I could be you...

My mom hates me drinking any pop at all...

I have to sneak it in (and candies)... :shame:

I really wouldn't consider the ability to drink that much soda a day is good thing, and I like soda as much as the next guy. Even ignoring how much crap is in soda, that must cost a bundle unless you are getting that awesome generic stuff. Mmm, orange brand orange soda. You know what you are getting with that.

Does the study take into account population size and such? And with regards to the statement about why the US is not the most healthy even though it is the richest country, I kind of think the that may be the problem. That is, people can afford to eat tons of crappy food, so they do. Also, there is not really much choice. I know I shouldn't eat fast food, but need to do it pretty much everyday during lunch.

Redleg
05-05-2006, 00:22
I really wouldn't consider the ability to drink that much soda a day is good thing, and I like soda as much as the next guy. Even ignoring how much crap is in soda, that must cost a bundle unless you are getting that awesome generic stuff. Mmm, orange brand orange soda. You know what you are getting with that.

Less then $3 a day habit. I know some smokers that envy the cost of my bad habit over theirs. :laugh4: