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Copperhaired Berserker!

05-07-2006, 20:16

I'm sure you've heard of this game.

It goes like this:

You'll have a table like this:

Baktria: 10
Romani: 10
Pahlava: 10
Pontos: 10
Haydasian: 10
Keilleon Helleon: 10
Yuezhi: 10
Makedonia: 10
Kathadast: 10
Arche Seulukeia: 10
Eluthiroi: 10
Sweboz: 10
Casse: 10
Ptolematai: 10
Iberia: 10
Sauromatae: 10
Getai: 10
Epieros: 10

What you would do is choose a faction to have a point added to it (Higher the points the better.) and then choose a faction to have a point taken off it. (Lower the points, the worser)

So let's say I added a point to Romani and taken away a point for Eluthoroi, the table would be like this:

Baktria: 10
Romani: 11
Pahlava: 10
Pontos: 10
Haydasian: 10
Keilleon Helleon: 10
Yuezhi: 10
Makedonia: 10
Kathadast: 10
Arche Seulukeia: 10
Eluthiroi: 9
Sweboz: 10
Casse: 10
Ptolematai: 10
Iberia: 10
Sauromatae: 10
Getai: 10
Epieros: 10

And then a other person would add a point etc.

So let's start:

Baktria: 10+1=11
Romani: 10
Pahlava: 10
Pontos: 10
Haydasian: 10
Keilleon Helleon: 10-1=9
Yuezhi: 10
Makedonia: 10
Kathadast: 10
Arche Seulukeia: 10
Eluthiroi: 10
Sweboz: 10
Casse: 10
Ptolematai: 10
Iberia: 10
Sauromatae: 10
Getai: 10
Epieros: 10

Masy

05-07-2006, 20:35

Baktria: 11
Romani: 10
Pahlava: 10
Pontos: 10
Haydasian: 10
Keilleon Helleon: 9
Yuezhi: 10
Makedonia: 10
Kathadast: 10+1 = 11
Arche Seulukeia: 10
Eluthiroi: 10
Sweboz: 10
Casse: 10
Ptolematai: 10
Iberia: 10
Sauromatae: 10-1 = 9
Getai: 10
Epieros: 10

Have i got this right?

Rodion Romanovich

05-07-2006, 20:38

Baktria: 11
Romani: 10
Pahlav: 10
Pontos: 10
Hayasdan: 10
Koinon Hellenon: 9
Yuezhi: 10-1=9
Makedonia: 10+1=11
Kathadast: 11
Arche Seulukeia: 10
Eleutheroi: 10
Sweboz: 10
Casse: 10
Ptolemaioi: 10
Iberia: 10
Sauromatae: 9
Getai: 10
Epieros: 10

QwertyMIDX

05-07-2006, 21:32

You forgot some factions, I'll add them here:

Aedui: 10
Arche Seulukeia: 10
Arverni: 10
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 10
Epieros: 10
Getai: 10
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 10
Kathadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 9
Makedonia: 11
Pahlav: 10
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi: 10
Romani: 10
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 9

tk-421

05-07-2006, 21:34

Aedui: 10
Arche Seulukeia: 10
Arverni: 10
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 10
Epieros: 10
Getai: 10
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 10
Kathadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 9+1=10
Makedonia: 11
Pahlav: 10
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi: 10
Romani: 10
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 9-1=8

Zalmoxis

05-07-2006, 21:51

Aedui: 10
Arche Seulukeia: 10
Arverni: 10
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 10
Epieros: 10-1=9
Getai: 10+1=11
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 10
Kathadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 10
Makedonia: 11
Pahlav: 10
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi: 10
Romani: 10
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 8

nic

05-07-2006, 22:40

Aedui: 10
Arche Seulukeia: 10
Arverni: 10
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 10
Epieros: 9
Getai: 11
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 10-1=9
Kathadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 10
Makedonia: 11
Pahlav: 10
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi: 10
Romani: 10+1=11
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 8

Sarcasm

05-07-2006, 23:23

Aedui: 10
Arche Seulukeia: 10
Arverni: 10
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 10
Epieros: 9
Getai: 11
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 9+1=10
Kathadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 10
Makedonia: 11
Pahlav: 10
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi: 10
Romani: 11-1=10
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 8

:inquisitive:

Warlord 11

05-07-2006, 23:35

Aedui: 10
Arche Seulukeia: 10
Arverni: 10
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 10
Epieros: 9
Getai: 11
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 10
Kathadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 10
Makedonia: 11+1=12
Pahlav: 10-1=9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi: 10
Romani: 10
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 8

nic

05-08-2006, 00:21

Was that necessary 'Sarcasm?'

Teleklos Archelaou

05-08-2006, 00:38

Aedui: 10
Arche Seleukeia: 10
Arverni: 10
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 10
Epeiros: 9+1=10
Getai: 11-1=10
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 10
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 10
Makedonia: 12
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi: 10
Romani: 10
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 8

Dayve

05-08-2006, 00:57

Aedui: 10
Arche Seleukeia: 10
Arverni: 10
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 10
Epeiros: 10
Getai: 10
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 10-1=9
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 10
Makedonia: 12
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi: 10
Romani: 10+1=11
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 8

nic

05-08-2006, 01:02

Thanks Dayve.
Can't do anything now sarcasm. :laugh4:

Homo Sapiens

05-08-2006, 01:06

Aedui: 10
Arche Seleukeia: 10-1=9
Arverni: 10
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 10
Epeiros: 10
Getai: 10
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 9
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 10+1=11
Makedonia: 12
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi: 10
Romani: 11
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 8

Sarcasm

05-08-2006, 01:11

Thanks Dayve.
Can't do anything now sarcasm. :laugh4:

You give yourself too much importance...

Why wouldn't I do that? Maybe another one is the one doing it over spite. Not me...I like Iberia, I don't like the Romani. Simple.

Dayve

05-08-2006, 01:17

You give yourself too much importance...

Why wouldn't I do that? Maybe another one is the one doing it over spite. Not me...I like Iberia, I don't like the Romani. Simple.

Romani pwn Iberia. :2thumbsup:

Birka Viking

05-08-2006, 01:21

Aedui: 10
Arche Seleukeia:9
Arverni: 10
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 10
Epeiros: 10
Getai: 10
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 9-1=8
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 12
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi: 10
Romani: 11+1=12
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 8

Sarcasm

05-08-2006, 01:23

Romani pwn Iberia. :2thumbsup:

I wonder why you get banned from forums.....

:writes a PM to the nearest mod:

Aedui: 10
Arche Seleukeia:9
Arverni: 10
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 10
Epeiros: 10
Getai: 10
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 9-1=8
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 12
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi: 10
Romani: 11+1=12
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 8:

Hilarious.

nic

05-08-2006, 02:18

Teleklos Archelaou

05-08-2006, 02:24

It's no big deal really. I could have told you exactly how the s-man was going to vote, and I think most members could have told you too. :grin: It wasn't bad manners on his part - that's just what he likes and doesn't like.

Salazar

05-08-2006, 02:41

Aedui: 10
Arche Seleukeia:9
Arverni: 10
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 10
Epeiros: 10
Getai: 10
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 8
Qarthadast: 11 +1 =12
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 12
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi: 10
Romani: 12 -1 =11
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 8

Dayve

05-08-2006, 03:01

Well, reporting me would be a waste of time, firstly because nowhere in the rules does it say you can't undo someones changes in a forum game, also this particular game doesn't seem to say anything about undoing someones changes, so since it has no rules i've done nothing wrong.

Secondly, the Romani actually do pwn Iberia... Literaly... They conquered half of it in 197BC and by 133BC they had conquered the rest, apart from one tiny piece, with ease. Well.. Not quite so much ease, but it wasn't difficult.

Actually when did Rome lose the Iberian peninsula? What date i mean and who to...

tk-421

05-08-2006, 03:12

Secondly, the Romani actually do pwn Iberia... Literaly... They conquered half of it in 197BC and by 133BC they had conquered the rest, apart from one tiny piece, with ease.

I would hardly say that the Romans conquered Iberia with "ease". It took them almost two hundred years. That's way longer than Gaul, Carthage, Greece, Egypt, Anatolia, etc.

Ragabash

05-08-2006, 06:52

Aedui: 10
Arche Seleukeia:9
Arverni: 10
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 10
Epeiros: 10
Getai: 10
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 8
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11 + 1 =12
Makedonia: 12
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi: 10
Romani: 12 - 1 =11
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 8

R4P

05-08-2006, 07:03

Aedui: 10
Arche Seleukeia:9
Arverni: 10
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 10
Epeiros: 10
Getai: 10
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 8
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 12 + 1 = 13
Makedonia: 12
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10 - 1 = 9
Ptolemaioi: 10
Romani: 11
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 8

GMT

05-08-2006, 07:10

Aedui: 10
Arche Seleukeia:9
Arverni: 10
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 10
Epeiros: 10
Getai: 10
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 8
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 12
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi: 10 + 1 = 11
Romani: 11 - 1 = 10
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 8

Zalmoxis

05-08-2006, 07:40

11-1 is 10, not 9.

GMT

05-08-2006, 07:50

11-1 is 10, not 9.

lol :oops: well it's been a long day and I'm awake for over 20 hours :shame:

I'll edit it.

Avicenna

05-08-2006, 08:11

I would hardly say that the Romans conquered Iberia with "ease". It took them almost two hundred years. That's way longer than Gaul, Carthage, Greece, Egypt, Anatolia, etc.

Even after the conquest, the Iberians inflicted casualties. There have been records of some cups made from the toxic yew tree, sold to Roman tourists who 'somehow' all died after drinking from them.

QwertyMIDX

05-08-2006, 10:02

Aedui: 10+1=11
Arche Seleukeia:9
Arverni: 10
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 10
Epeiros: 10
Getai: 10
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 8
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 13-1=12
Makedonia: 12
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi: 10 + 1 = 11
Romani: 11 - 1 = 10
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 8

Masy

05-08-2006, 11:47

Good to see Qarthadast still on 11

Dayve

05-08-2006, 13:31

It didn't take them 2 hundred years... It's not like they were trying continuosly to conquer Iberia for 2 hundred years... They conquered half, the half that belonged to Carthage, and then turned their attentions elsewhere to Greece... Then eventually came back and conquered the other half.

Actually almost all of Iberia was conquered in under 60 years, so where 200 came from i have no idea. By 197BC the Cartheginian half had been conquered and by 133BC 9/10ths of it belonged to Rome...

Salazar

05-08-2006, 13:32

It should actually be on 12, ive upped it to 12 and noone lowered it :laugh4:
Seems somebody got confused ;-)

Edit: Actually Rome should be one lower, and quarthadasht one higher

Sarcasm

05-08-2006, 14:34

Don't throw a tantrum sarcasm. I just found it bad manners that you undid my changes straight after I posted. For what its worth I like the Iberian faction but would prefer it to be based on either the Lusitanians or CeltIberians rather than an amalgam of the two.
That makes o sense at all...that would be like me taking a vote from my second favourite faction (KH) and giving it to Iberia.

What tantrum? Like I said you give yourself way too much importance. Like Dave said, my vote was kind of predictable...they know me well by now ~D

Well, reporting me would be a waste of time, firstly because nowhere in the rules does it say you can't undo someones changes in a forum game, also this particular game doesn't seem to say anything about undoing someones changes, so since it has no rules i've done nothing wrong.
The report thing was meant as a joke. Geeez. :no:

Secondly, the Romani actually do pwn Iberia... Literaly... They conquered half of it in 197BC and by 133BC they had conquered the rest, apart from one tiny piece, with ease. Well.. Not quite so much ease, but it wasn't difficult.

Actually when did Rome lose the Iberian peninsula? What date i mean and who to....

It didn't take them 2 hundred years... It's not like they were trying continuosly to conquer Iberia for 2 hundred years... They conquered half, the half that belonged to Carthage, and then turned their attentions elsewhere to Greece... Then eventually came back and conquered the other half.

Actually almost all of Iberia was conquered in under 60 years, so where 200 came from i have no idea. By 197BC the Cartheginian half had been conquered and by 133BC 9/10ths of it belonged to Rome....

Yes it did. It took about 200 years to pacify the peninsula, and with extreme measures such as outright genocide and deportation. There were revolts (and significant ones) up until the end of the age. In those 60 years you mention, the romans were to have casualties that were similar to those of the Teutoburg disaster (in legionaries and auxiliaries). Rome had difficulty raising legions to fight there...it was the vietnam of the ancient world. I wouldn't call that with ease.

And the Romans did conquer Iberia, no one is disputing that. The same can be said about most of western Europe, North Africa and the Near East. What's your point here?

How about we leave it as it is, and let the other guys play? I know I will.

Elthore

05-08-2006, 15:07

Aedui: 11
Arche Seleukeia:9
Arverni: 10
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 10
Epeiros: 10
Getai: 10
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 8
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 12-1=11
Makedonia: 12
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9+1=10
Ptolemaioi: 11
Romani: 10
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 8

Oleo

05-08-2006, 15:23

Aedui: 11
Arche Seleukeia:9
Arverni: 10
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 10
Epeiros: 10
Getai: 10
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 8
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 12
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi: 11-1= 10
Romani: 10+1= 11
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 8

Forgus

05-08-2006, 15:38

Aedui: 11
Arche Seleukeia:9
Arverni: 10
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 10
Epeiros: 10+1= 11
Getai: 10-1=9
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 8
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 12
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani: 11
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 8

fallen851

05-08-2006, 17:59

Aedui: 11
Arche Seleukeia:9
Arverni: 10
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 10
Epeiros: 11
Getai: 9
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 8
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 12-1=11
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani: 11
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 8+1 = 9

Sdragon

05-08-2006, 18:47

Aedui: 11
Arche Seleukeia:9
Arverni: 10
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 10
Epeiros: 11
Getai: 9
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 8
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 11
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani: 11+1 = 12
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 9-1 = 8

Moros

05-08-2006, 19:34

Aedui: 11
Arche Seleukeia:9+1=10
Arverni: 10
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 10
Epeiros: 11
Getai: 9
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 8
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 11
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani: 12-1 = 11
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 8

thh

05-08-2006, 20:36

Aedui: 11
Arche Seleukeia:10
Arverni: 10
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 10 - 1 = 9
Epeiros: 11
Getai: 9
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 8
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 11
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani: 11 + 1 = 12
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 8

Zalmoxis

05-09-2006, 01:21

Aedui: 11
Arche Seleukeia:10
Arverni: 10
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 9
Epeiros: 11-1=10
Getai: 9+1=10
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 8
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 11
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani: 12
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 8

Wardo

05-09-2006, 04:40

Aedui: 11
Arche Seleukeia:10
Arverni: 10
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 9 - 1 = 8
Epeiros: =10
Getai: =10
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 8
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 11
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani: 12 + 1= 13
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 8

GMT

05-09-2006, 07:20

Avicenna

05-09-2006, 07:26

Once per day.
Epirus+1
Getai-1

Aedui: 11
Arche Seleukeia:10
Arverni: 10
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 11
Getai: 9
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 8
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 11
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani: 13
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 8

GMT

05-09-2006, 07:40

oh ok, thanks.

Aedui: 11
Arche Seleukeia:10
Arverni: 10
Baktria: 11 + 1 = 12
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 11
Getai: 9
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 8
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 11
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani: 13 - 1 = 12
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 8

ScionTheWorm

05-09-2006, 07:58

I can't allow this...

Aedui: 11
Arche Seleukeia:10
Arverni: 10
Baktria: 12
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 11
Getai: 9 + 1 = 10
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 8
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 11
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani: 12 - 1 = 11
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 8

Rodion Romanovich

05-09-2006, 09:36

I think I'll do the same in favor of the cool drapanai guys:
Aedui: 11
Arche Seleukeia:10
Arverni: 10
Baktria: 12
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 11
Getai: 10 + 1 = 11
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 8
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 11
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani: 11 - 1 = 10
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 8

Avicenna

05-09-2006, 14:41

Can everyone do the +1 and -1 bits above the main part of the post (faction names and scores) so that it saves time? It's easier for both the poster and the next person.

paullus

05-09-2006, 15:06

KH +1
Arverni -1

Aedui: 11
Arche Seleukeia:10
Arverni: 10-1 = 9
Baktria: 12
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 11
Getai: 11
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 8
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11+1 = 12
Makedonia: 11
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani: 10
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 8

Ragabash

05-09-2006, 15:27

Epeiros +1
Romani -1

Aedui: 11
Arche Seleukeia:10
Arverni: 9
Baktria: 12
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 11+1 = 12
Getai: 11
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 8
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 11
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani: 10 - 1 = 9
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 8

cunctator

05-09-2006, 18:51

Romani +1
Yuezhi: -1

Aedui: 11
Arche Seleukeia:10
Arverni: 9
Baktria: 12
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 12
Getai: 11
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 8
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 11
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani: 9 + 1 = 10
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 8 - 1 = 7

PantsToucher

05-09-2006, 20:09

Getai +1
Yuezhi -1

Aedui: 11
Arche Seleukeia:10
Arverni: 9
Baktria: 12
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 12
Getai: 11 + 1 = 12
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 8
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 11
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani:10
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 7 - 1 = 6

jedispongee

05-09-2006, 20:11

Romani +1
Iberia: -1

Aedui: 11
Arche Seleukeia:10
Arverni: 9
Baktria: 12
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 12
Getai: 11
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 8-1= 7
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 11
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani: 10+1= 11
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 7

Bonny

05-09-2006, 20:14

Makedonia +1
Romani -1

Aedui: 11
Arche Seleukeia:10
Arverni: 9
Baktria: 12
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 12
Getai: 11
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 7
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 12
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani: 10
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 7
:book:

cunctator

05-09-2006, 20:54

jedispongee and Bonny forgot PantsToucher changes, here is the correct list:

Aedui: 11
Arche Seleukeia:10
Arverni: 9
Baktria: 12
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 12
Getai: 12
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 7
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 12
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani: 10
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 10
Yuezhi: 6

O'ETAIPOS

05-09-2006, 21:02

Makedon +1
Sweboz-1

Aedui: 11
Arche Seleukeia:10
Arverni: 9
Baktria: 12
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 12
Getai: 12
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 7
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani: 10
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9
Yuezhi: 6

Homo Sapiens

05-09-2006, 21:13

Aedui +1
Averni -1

Aedui: 12
Arche Seleukeia:10
Arverni: 8
Baktria: 12
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 12
Getai: 12
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 7
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani: 10
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9
Yuezhi: 6

mediobogdum

05-09-2006, 22:08

Getai+1
Ptolemy-1

Aedui: 12
Arche Seleukeia:10
Arverni: 8
Baktria: 12
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 12
Getai: 13
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 7
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:9
Romani: 10
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9
Yuezhi: 6

edited cause I had the wrong figures.

Sarcasm

05-09-2006, 23:10

Iberia+1
Romani-1

Aedui: 12
Arche Seleukeia:10
Arverni: 8
Baktria: 12
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 12
Getai: 13
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 8
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:9
Romani: 9
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9
Yuezhi: 6

...

Kralizec

05-09-2006, 23:22

Looks like the Yuezhi are hurting...
Epeiros +1
Averni -1

Aedui: 12
Arche Seleukeia:10
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 12
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 13
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 8
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:9
Romani: 9
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9
Yuezhi: 6

Go Epeiros go!

Sdragon

05-10-2006, 01:20

Arche Seleukeia +1
Yuezhi -1

Aedui: 12
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 12
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 13
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 8
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:9
Romani: 9
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9
Yuezhi: 5

Taurus

05-10-2006, 01:41

Iberia +1
Casse -1

Aedui: 12
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 12
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 13
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 9
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:9
Romani: 9
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9
Yuezhi: 5

Zalmoxis

05-10-2006, 05:08

Getai +1
Arverni -1

Aedui: 12
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 12
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 14
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 9
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:9
Romani: 9
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9
Yuezhi: 5

GMT

05-10-2006, 07:08

Ptolemaioi +1
Koinon Hellenon -1

Aedui: 12
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 12
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 14
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 9
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani: 9
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9
Yuezhi: 5

Avicenna

05-10-2006, 08:20

Getai-1
Romani+1

Aedui: 12
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 12
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 13
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 9
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani: 10
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9
Yuezhi: 5

QwertyMIDX

05-10-2006, 08:28

Arverni: +1
Makedonia: -1

Aedui: 12
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni: 6+1=7
Baktria: 12
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 13
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 9
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 13-1=12
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani: 10
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9
Yuezhi: 5

Kralizec

05-10-2006, 09:07

Pontos -1
Romani +1

Aedui: 12
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 12
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 13
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 9
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: =12
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani: 11
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9
Yuezhi: 5

Rodion Romanovich

05-10-2006, 09:08

Arverni+1
Post count+1
Yuezhi: -1

Aedui: 12
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni: 8
Baktria: 12
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 13
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 9
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 12
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani: 11
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9
Yuezhi: 4

fallen851

05-10-2006, 09:13

Aedui: 12-1=11
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni: 8
Baktria: 12
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 13
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 9
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 12
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani: 11
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9
Yuezhi: 4+1=5

Greek_fire19

05-10-2006, 11:19

Aedui: 11+1=12
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni: 8-1=7
Baktria: 12
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 13
Hayasdan: 10
Iberia: 9
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 12
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani: 11
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9
Yuezhi: 5

mediobogdum

05-10-2006, 13:59

Hayasdan-1
Gaetai+1

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:7
Baktria: 12
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 14
Hayasdan: 9
Iberia: 9
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 12
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani: 11
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9
Yuezhi: 5

Ragabash

05-10-2006, 14:33

Baktria +1
Romani -1

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:7
Baktria: 12 +1 = 13
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 14
Hayasdan: 9
Iberia: 9
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 12
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani: 11 -1 = 10
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9
Yuezhi: 5

cunctator

05-10-2006, 16:23

Romani +1
Yuezhi: -1

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:7
Baktria: 13
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 14
Hayasdan: 9
Iberia: 9
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 12
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:10
Romani: 10 +1 = 11
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9
Yuezhi: 5 -1 = 4

Kralizec

05-10-2006, 17:01

Getai -1
Ptolemaioi +1

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:7
Baktria: 13
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 13
Hayasdan: 9
Iberia: 9
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 12
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:11
Romani: 11
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9
Yuezhi: 4

jedispongee

05-10-2006, 17:12

Stop picking on the Yuezhi you bastards!

Getai -1
Yuezhi +1

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:7
Baktria: 13
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 13-1= 12
Hayasdan: 9
Iberia: 9
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 12
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:11
Romani: 11
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9
Yuezhi: 4+1= 5

Dayve

05-10-2006, 17:39

Personally i think WTC7 was brought down by thermite explosions and that the whole thing was a government conspiracy. I mean come on, a building doesn't just collapse from fire...

Wha?

Orb

05-10-2006, 19:15

Aedui -1
Hayasdan +1

Aedui:12-1=11
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:7
Baktria: 13
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 12
Hayasdan: 9+1=10
Iberia: 9
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 12
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:11
Romani: 11
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9
Yuezhi: 5

mediobogdum

05-10-2006, 19:33

Arent we allowed only one post a day or have I misunderstood?

O'ETAIPOS

05-10-2006, 20:48

Makedonia +1
Sweboz -1

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:7
Baktria: 13
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 12
Hayasdan:10
Iberia: 9
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:11
Romani: 11
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 8
Yuezhi: 5

:charge: Pros tois barbarois strateuomen 'oi 'etairoi!

Copperhaired Berserker!

05-10-2006, 21:11

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:7
Baktria: 13+1=14
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 12
Hayasdan:10
Iberia: 9
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:11
Romani: 11
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 8
Yuezhi: 5-1=4

Moros

05-10-2006, 21:14

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:7+1=8
Baktria: 14
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 12
Hayasdan:10
Iberia: 9
Qarthadast: 11
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:11
Romani: 11-1=10
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 8
Yuezhi: 4

Justiciar

05-10-2006, 21:21

Sweboz +1
Baktria -1

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:8
Baktria: 13
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 12
Hayasdan:10
Iberia: 9
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 11
Romani: 10
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9
Yuezhi: 4

Wardo

05-10-2006, 22:43

Yuezhi -1
Romani +1

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:8
Baktria: 13
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 12
Hayasdan:10
Iberia: 9
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 11
Romani: 10 + 1 = 11
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9
Yuezhi: 4 - 1 = 3

tk-421

05-10-2006, 22:55

Romani 11+1=12
Epeiros 13-1=12

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:8
Baktria: 13
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 13-1=12
Getai: 12
Hayasdan:10
Iberia: 9
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 11
Romani: 11+1=12
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9
Yuezhi: 3

PantsToucher

05-10-2006, 23:01

Getai 12+1=13
Yuezhi 3-1=2

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:8
Baktria: 13
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 12
Getai: 12 +1=13
Hayasdan:10
Iberia: 9
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 11
Romani: 12
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9
Yuezhi: 3 -1=2

The Getai are my boys--my first attempt at a campain was with them--and thus I give them their daily point.

Homo Sapiens

05-10-2006, 23:50

K(Q)arthadast 11+1=12
Romani 12-1=11

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:8
Baktria: 13
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 12
Getai: 12
Hayasdan:10
Iberia: 9
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 11
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9
Yuezhi: 3

Hannibal always was better...

Volume II

05-11-2006, 00:14

Does it strike anyone else that taking a point off the Yuezhi is a might bit cheap?

Justiciar

05-11-2006, 00:34

Meh.. someone's got to die.

Zalmoxis

05-11-2006, 01:02

Getai +1
Yuezhi -1

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:8
Baktria: 13
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 12
Getai: 14
Hayasdan:10
Iberia: 9
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 11
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9
Yuezhi: 1

EDIT: Homo Spaiens didn't update his list right, I think these are right.

Birka Viking

05-11-2006, 01:23

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:8
Baktria: 13
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 12
Getai: 14
Hayasdan:10
Iberia: 9
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 11+1=12
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9
Yuezhi: 1-1=0

Zalmoxis

05-11-2006, 01:32

The first faction's down.... others are gonna follow soon.

Birka Viking

05-11-2006, 01:48

lol

Justiciar

05-11-2006, 02:19

Baktria -1
Epeiros +1

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:8
Baktria: 12
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 14
Hayasdan:10
Iberia: 9
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 2
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9

PantsToucher

05-11-2006, 02:50

:2thumbsup: Getai is in the lead :balloon2:

Dayve

05-11-2006, 05:41

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:8
Baktria: 13
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 12
Getai: 14-1=13
Hayasdan:10
Iberia: 9
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 12+1=13
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9

Ali Baba.

GMT

05-11-2006, 06:21

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:8
Baktria: 13
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 12
Getai: 13
Hayasdan:10
Iberia: 9
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:11+1 = 12
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 13-1 = 12
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9

Avicenna

05-11-2006, 08:01

Please put the numbers at the top!

Romani+1
Getai-1

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:8
Baktria: 13
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 12
Getai: 12
Hayasdan:10
Iberia: 9
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:12
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 13
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9

Forgus

05-11-2006, 08:57

Getai-1
Epeiros+1

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:8
Baktria: 13
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 11
Hayasdan:10
Iberia: 9
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:12
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 13
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9

mediobogdum

05-11-2006, 13:13

Getai+1
Ptolemaioi-1

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:8
Baktria: 13
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 12
Hayasdan:10
Iberia: 9
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 13
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9

Taurus

05-11-2006, 13:16

Iberia +1
Sweboz -1

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:8
Baktria: 13
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 12
Hayasdan:10
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 13
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 8

Kralizec

05-11-2006, 14:25

Hayasdan +1
Sauromatae -1

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:8
Baktria: 13
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 8
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 12
Hayasdan:10 + 1 = 11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 13
Sauromatae: 9 -1 =8
Sweboz: 8

Orb

05-11-2006, 14:26

Hayasdan +1
Eleutheroi -1

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:8
Baktria: 13
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 7
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 12
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 13
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 8

Hayasdan Campaign so much fun :D

Justiciar

05-11-2006, 14:29

Just to point out.. Epeiros are on 14, Baktria on 12.

The Celtic Viking

05-11-2006, 14:44

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:8
Baktria: 11 (-1)
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 7
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 12
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 13
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9 (+1)

Cronos Impera

05-11-2006, 14:54

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:8
Baktria: 11
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 7
Epeiros: 13 (-1)
Getai: 12 (+1)
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 13
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9

cunctator

05-11-2006, 17:49

Romani +1
Eleutheroi -1

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:8
Baktria: 11
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 7 -1 = 6
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 12
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 11
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 9
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 13 +1 = 14
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9

Homo Sapiens

05-11-2006, 17:50

KH +1
Pahlav -1

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:8
Baktria: 11
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 7
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 12
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 8
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 13
Sauromatae: 9
Sweboz: 9

PseRamesses

05-11-2006, 17:56

Arche Seleukeia +1
Sauromatae -1

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:8
Baktria: 11
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 7
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 12
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 8
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 13
Sauromatae: 8
Sweboz: 9

cunctator

05-11-2006, 18:18

Homo Sapiens and PseRamesses have forgotten my changes. Here is the correct list

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:8
Baktria: 11
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 6
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 12
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 8
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 14
Sauromatae: 8
Sweboz: 9

Rodion Romanovich

05-11-2006, 18:38

Don't kill the Arverni :furious3: :furious3: :furious3:
Arverni+1
Romani-1

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:9
Baktria: 11
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 6
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 12
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 8
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 13
Sauromatae: 8
Sweboz: 9

stalin

05-11-2006, 18:41

kill the Arverni
Arverni -1
Romani +1

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:8
Baktria: 11
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 6
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 12
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 8
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 14
Sauromatae: 8
Sweboz: 9

Rodion Romanovich

05-11-2006, 18:43

lol, this is not the first time in this thread that someone has undone another's post... Actually, my motivation for keeping the Arverni is that their faction color reminds me of a sherbet flavor that I like ~:)

The_Mark

05-11-2006, 19:33

... and the point of this is to drop off factions until there are two factions remaining, at which point the forumites will subsequently add to and remove points from both of the factions, leading to an eternal stalemate?

Ragabash

05-11-2006, 19:49

Koinon Hellenon +1
Romani -1

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:8
Baktria: 11
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 6
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 12
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 12 +1 = 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 8
Pontos: 9
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 14 -1 = 13
Sauromatae: 8
Sweboz: 9

Volume II

05-11-2006, 19:49

Epeiros +1
Pontos -1

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:8
Baktria: 11
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 6
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 12
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 8
Pontos: 8
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 14
Sauromatae: 8
Sweboz: 9

sergiu

05-11-2006, 19:53

Getai +1
Sauromatae -1

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:8
Baktria: 11
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 6
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 13
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 8
Pontos: 8
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 14
Sauromatae: 7
Sweboz: 9

Dayve

05-11-2006, 20:16

I hereby put a curse on the next person that removeth a point from the Romani, a terrible curse where you keep getting thinner and thinner no matter what you eat... You know like in that movie where the gypsy chick puts a curse on him which makes him go thin and he just keeps getting thinner and thinner and dying from thinness? Then at the end he feeds his wife this pie and the morning after she has turned into a skeleton? That curse...

SO DON'T DO IT! :furious3:

paullus

05-11-2006, 20:19

Pahlav: -1
KH: +1

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:8
Baktria: 11
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 6
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 13
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 8
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 14
Sauromatae: 7
Sweboz: 9

UltraWar

05-11-2006, 20:46

Romani +1
Arverni -1

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:7
Baktria: 11
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 6
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 13
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 8
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 15
Sauromatae: 7
Sweboz: 9

Zero1

05-11-2006, 20:49

Romani-1
Aedui+1

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:7
Baktria: 11
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 6
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 13
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 8
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 14
Sauromatae: 7
Sweboz: 9

Dayve

05-11-2006, 21:38

Justiciar

05-11-2006, 22:00

Pahlav -1
Sweboz +1

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:7
Baktria: 11
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 6
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 13
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 6
Pontos: 8
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 14
Sauromatae: 7
Sweboz: 10

Wardo

05-11-2006, 22:50

Pahlav: 6 + 1 = 7
Sauromatae: 7 - 1 = 6

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:7
Baktria: 11
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 6
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 13
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 8
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 14
Sauromatae: 6
Sweboz: 10

Sdragon

05-11-2006, 23:31

Romani: 14 + 1 = 15
Arverni: 7 - 1 = 6

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:7
Baktria: 11
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 6
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 13
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 8
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 15
Sauromatae: 6
Sweboz: 10

tk-421

05-11-2006, 23:33

Romani +1
Epeiros -1

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:7
Baktria: 11
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 6
Epeiros: 14-1=13
Getai: 13
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 8
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 15+1=16
Sauromatae: 7
Sweboz: 9

Kralizec

05-11-2006, 23:40

Koinon Helenon -1
Epeiros +1

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:7
Baktria: 11
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 6
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 13
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 8
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 16
Sauromatae: 7
Sweboz: 9

oudysseos

05-12-2006, 00:07

Romani -1
Koinon Hellenon +1

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:7
Baktria: 11
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 6
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 13
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 8
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 15
Sauromatae: 7
Sweboz: 9

Birka Viking

05-12-2006, 00:38

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:7
Baktria: 11
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 6-1=5
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 13
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 8
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 15+1=16
Sauromatae: 7
Sweboz: 9

Zalmoxis

05-12-2006, 00:56

Getai +1
Eleutheroi -1

Aedui:11
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:7
Baktria: 11
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 4
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 14
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 8
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 16
Sauromatae: 7
Sweboz: 9

QwertyMIDX

05-12-2006, 03:29

Aedui +1
Romani -1

Aedui:11+1=12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:7
Baktria: 11
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 4
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 14
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 8
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 16-1=15
Sauromatae: 7
Sweboz: 9

GMT

05-12-2006, 06:39

Epeiros +1
Romani -1

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:7
Baktria: 11
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 4
Epeiros: 14+1 = 15
Getai: 14
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 8
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 15-1 = 14
Sauromatae: 7
Sweboz: 9

Avicenna

05-12-2006, 07:15

AS-1
Romani+1

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni:7
Baktria: 11
Casse: 9
Eleutheroi: 4
Epeiros: 15
Getai: 14
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 8
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 15
Sauromatae: 7
Sweboz: 9

Orb

05-12-2006, 07:15

Casse +1
Sauromatae -1

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:7
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 4
Epeiros: 15
Getai: 14
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 8
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 14
Sauromatae: 6
Sweboz: 9

Rodion Romanovich

05-12-2006, 07:55

Eleutheroi: +1
Romani -1

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:7
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 5
Epeiros: 15
Getai: 14
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 8
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 13
Sauromatae: 6
Sweboz: 9

Dayve

05-12-2006, 08:37

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:7
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 5
Epeiros: 15-1=14
Getai: 14
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 8
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12
Romani: 13+1=14
Sauromatae: 6
Sweboz: 9

Warlord 11

05-12-2006, 08:55

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:7
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 5
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 14
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 8
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 12+1=13
Romani: 14-1=13
Sauromatae: 6
Sweboz: 9

QwertyMIDX

05-12-2006, 09:25

tk-421 accidently shortchanged the Aedui a point, these are the right numbers.

Aedui:13
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:7
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 5
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 14
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 8
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 13
Romani: 13
Sauromatae: 6
Sweboz: 9

Taurus

05-12-2006, 11:09

Iberia +1
Eleutheroi -1

Aedui:13
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:7
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 4
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 14
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:11
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 8
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 13
Romani: 13
Sauromatae: 6
Sweboz: 9

mediobogdum

05-12-2006, 13:25

Eleutheroi-1
Getai+1

Aedui:13
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:7
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 4-1=3
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 14+1=15
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:11
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 8
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 13
Romani: 13
Sauromatae: 6
Sweboz: 9

cunctator

05-12-2006, 13:30

Eleutheroi-1
Romani+1

Aedui:13
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:7
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 3-1=2
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 15
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:11
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 8
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 13
Romani: 13 +1 = 14
Sauromatae: 6
Sweboz: 9

Sarcasm

05-12-2006, 13:51

Aedui:13
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:7
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 2
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 15
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:11
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 8
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 13
Romani: 14-1=13
Sauromatae: 6
Sweboz: 9+1=10

Death to the roman dogs! ~D

Dayve

05-12-2006, 15:17

Yes goddamn those Romans for making the quality of life in western Europe infinately better than it was before they conquered it!

And for inventing things we still use today!

All of them must die!

Romani-400

stalin

05-12-2006, 15:43

Wait, are you allowed to vote more than once? Then it is bit pointless.
I can post the Averni out of existence while you're all sleeping

Dayve

05-12-2006, 15:46

Once a day i believe... If everybody could only vote once then the game would just end with only about 2 factions eliminated...

stalin

05-12-2006, 15:52

In that case...

Aedui:13
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni:7-1=6
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 2
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 15
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:11
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 8
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 13
Romani: 13+1=14
Sauromatae: 6
Sweboz: 10

Sarcasm

05-12-2006, 15:58

Rodion Romanovich

05-12-2006, 16:34

In that case...

Why do you hate Arverni so much? :inquisitive:

Kralizec

05-12-2006, 16:48

Aedui:13
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 2
Epeiros: 14 +1 = 15
Getai: 15
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:11
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 8
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 13
Romani: 14 -1 = 13
Sauromatae: 6
Sweboz: 10

Dayve

05-12-2006, 16:51

Rodion Romanovich

05-12-2006, 17:22

At what cost? I'm not sure i understand... What's not to agree with? When the Roman empire fell Europe became the uncivilised barbaric craphole it was before they conquered it... The quality of life before the Roman empire was very basic, the quality of life under Roman administration greatly improved to no end, the quality of life after the Roman empire fell once again became shit.

Only 1 thousand years after the empire fell did Europe reach the technological level it was on under the Roman empire... And even then its people were completely stupid, poor to the extent that they died from not being able to afford anything to eat and so dirty there was a plague epidemic every 100 years or so. Gone were the sewers and aqueducts... Instead of a proper waste disposal system like that of the Romans, they simply used to throw their excrement on to the streets...

No, i honestly believe that the Romans were the best thing that ever happened to western Europe. The worst thing ever to happen, after 20+ million dead in WW1 and 50+ million dead in WW2, was the decline of the Roman empire and consequently Europe being plunged back 1000 years in technological terms, which resulted in the dark ages.

There's already a thread about how backwards the romans really were: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=64384
It also mentions the fact that Rome during the empire, while having it's greatest geographical extent, hardly was at it's peak. The real peak was before the Punic wars. All the quick conquests that followed after the Punic wars were simply the result of this power and economy basis created before the Punic wars. The idea to attribute these conquests to clever generalship rather than realize that they were the result of a successful early roman republic, is a huge fallacy. Up till the Punic wars, Rome was fairly tolerant, inventive, and flourishing in art and science. During a long changeover period between the punic wars and around 200 AD, Rome steadily declined, grew more intolerant, and economically unstable. Looking beyond the surface, the post 200 AD Rome looks just as much as the dark age as any of the barbarian cultures after 400 AD. It also becomes apparent that Rome after around 0 AD hardly invented anything, all it did was exhaust it's treasury, ban different forms of philosophy, and carry out several massacres of Christians, Jews, Isis cultists, Druids, Rebels and Freedom fighters, as well as starting wars with new tribes they had no quarrel with. It has also become apparent that the "barbarian" cultures between 300 BC and 200 AD were in many ways much more sophisticated than Rome. Most inventions traditionally attributed to Rome were in fact invented by barbarians - many things such as aqueducts and irrigation were implemented in all major Middle east cultures many centuries before the romans came. In fact, the fall of Rome was one of the greatest events in history. One of the saddest events in history was perhaps when Rome decided to attack Carthage in the first punic war, thus starting the changeover into the dark age which took place during the following 300-400 years.

Justiciar

05-12-2006, 17:40

Epeiros -1
Eleutheroi +1

Aedui:13
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 3
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 15
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:11
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 8
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 13
Romani: 13
Sauromatae: 6
Sweboz: 11

Teleklos Archelaou

05-12-2006, 18:03

So, does winning basically consist of tenaciously showing up each day to vote for the same faction over and over and over, especially when it's the one you in some way descend from or live in the remains of? Yay! Go nationalism!

edyzmedieval

05-12-2006, 18:19

Aedui:7
Arche Seleukeia:11
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 10
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 3
Epeiros: 10
Getai: 14
Hayasdan:10
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 10
Makedonia: 10
Pahlav: 8
Pontos: 10
Ptolemaioi:20
Qarthadast: 15
Romani: 10
Sauromatae: 6
Sweboz: 10

Perfect. ~D

edyzmedieval

05-12-2006, 18:21

By the way, this looks like:

SUDOKU

stalin

05-12-2006, 18:29

Why do you hate Arverni so much? :inquisitive:
Asterix and Obelix pwnd my legions

stalin

05-12-2006, 18:33

Justiciar

05-12-2006, 18:38

Perfect.

Hang aboot. After SDragons' post on the last page the Sweboz went down a point without it acctually being taken away. Hence.. 11! :charge:

Dayve

05-12-2006, 18:57

There's already a thread about how backwards the romans really were: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=64384
It also mentions the fact that Rome during the empire, while having it's greatest geographical extent, hardly was at it's peak. The real peak was before the Punic wars. All the quick conquests that followed after the Punic wars were simply the result of this power and economy basis created before the Punic wars. The idea to attribute these conquests to clever generalship rather than realize that they were the result of a successful early roman republic, is a huge fallacy. Up till the Punic wars, Rome was fairly tolerant, inventive, and flourishing in art and science. During a long changeover period between the punic wars and around 200 AD, Rome steadily declined, grew more intolerant, and economically unstable. Looking beyond the surface, the post 200 AD Rome looks just as much as the dark age as any of the barbarian cultures after 400 AD. It also becomes apparent that Rome after around 0 AD hardly invented anything, all it did was exhaust it's treasury, ban different forms of philosophy, and carry out several massacres of Christians, Jews, Isis cultists, Druids, Rebels and Freedom fighters, as well as starting wars with new tribes they had no quarrel with. It has also become apparent that the "barbarian" cultures between 300 BC and 200 AD were in many ways much more sophisticated than Rome. Most inventions traditionally attributed to Rome were in fact invented by barbarians - many things such as aqueducts and irrigation were implemented in all major Middle east cultures many centuries before the romans came. In fact, the fall of Rome was one of the greatest events in history. One of the saddest events in history was perhaps when Rome decided to attack Carthage in the first punic war, thus starting the changeover into the dark age which took place during the following 300-400 years.

You have just destroyed everything i have been taught about the ancient Romans in my life... But even if the Romans didn't invent so much, they still spread civilisation and the idea of unity all through western Europe... And they still carved out an awesomely large empire for their time, indeed for any time, and maintained it for hundreds of years, and copied or not, their military was awesome, and nobody seemed to have been able to beat Rome on the whole... Sure people won victories and caused problems, but nobody ever conquered it for so long... And Rome has written what is, in my opinion, the most interesting 6-700 years in known history.

stalin

05-12-2006, 19:03

The romans built upon greek and phoenician achievements who built upon egyptians who built upon ...
The darkness that followed the fall of rome was long and I am thankfull the were those that made sure that not all the knowlege was lost untill we the europeans of today decided to climb down from the trees or something

cunctator

05-12-2006, 19:56

Up till the Punic wars, Rome was fairly tolerant, inventive, and flourishing in art and science. During a long changeover period between the punic wars and around 200 AD, Rome steadily declined, grew more intolerant, and economically unstable. Looking beyond the surface, the post 200 AD Rome looks just as much as the dark age as any of the barbarian cultures after 400 AD.

When elements of roman society were still actively fighting the influences of greek culture and Rome just begun to produce it's own historians and playwriters it was more tolerant than in a time when emperors and leading man of the state itself wrote philisophical books?

Most of cities during the principate flourished and reached their peak, several companies operated accross half of the empire and whole fleets traded directly with india directly through the ocean. The econmy of italy itself declined not of the empire.

In a time when the cults of douzends of gods from the east and the europe as well spread through the roman world and entered their pantheon Rome grew more intolerant? A time when senators and emperors came from all part of the empire and nearly everyone could achieve citizenship

It also becomes apparent that Rome after around 0 AD hardly invented anything,

Technical progress hardly slowed down through the empire, though it was slower than what we are accustomed today, but industrial civilisation can't be a scale. For example on the military side they invented a new artillery design, based on metall frames, more powerful pieces with greater accuracy than the hellenistic designs. By the consequent use of cement architecture reached a peak during this era, unsurpassed for well over a millenia and more. The dome of the pantheon in Rome should stay widest one until the construction of St. Peter in the 16th century, the artificial harbour of ostia was the greatest of antiquity, several damns were already build in the lighter half ovular form spreading the pressure to the flanks of the surounding hill instead of blocking the water only with their sheer mass. Watermills become a coomom sight, something as the great mill factory in Barbegal producing flour for nearly 80.000 people was without example in medieval europe again. The bridges of the road network are sometimes used to the present day. Medicine and law steadily improved, the effiency agriculture increased etc...

all it did was exhaust it's treasury, ban different forms of philosophy, and carry out several massacres of Christians, Jews, Isis cultists, Druids, Rebels and Freedom fighters, as well as starting wars with new tribes they had no quarrel with.

The roman empire during the principate was by far more tolerante than any monotheistic states in europe 1500+ years. Everybody could worhsips his own gods and religion without harm as long as he respected roman authority. What would happened if somebody tryed to establish a pagan cult in medieval europe? Pesecutions of christians were rare until the great purges of the late third and early fourth century AD and isolated events. As soon as the christian church dominated imperial administration they begun to wipeout all other cults by force and law, then the roman empire become intolerant.
The great rebeliions that caused that much destruction were not started by Roman administration, but selfish forces within local socities trying to enlargy there own power and religous fanatics or conflicts between ethnic and religous groups. The difference between freedom fighters and terrorists is only the point of view.

Most inventions traditionally attributed to Rome were in fact invented by barbarians - many things such as aqueducts and irrigation were implemented in all major Middle east cultures many centuries before the romans came.

It's to blame Rome for not inventing things that already existed. Fact is that theg greeco roman civilization that developed during the late republic and the principate incorporated all the knowledge and technology of their precedessors and douzends cultures of europe and mediteranean becoming more advanced than any of them alone and raising the living quality considerably. The size of the empire and it's extensive infrastructure made it possible for most areas to flourish as never before. As said europe needed more than 1000 years to rise to this level again.

One of the saddest events in history was perhaps when Rome decided to attack Carthage in the first punic war, thus starting the changeover into the dark age which took place during the following 300-400 years.

For me it's decline of rome after the principate in 3rd century or perhaps the day when Varus army was detroyed and the rest of germany wasn't allowed to enjoy roman rule.

You can as well make the rise of christianity and islam responsible for the destruction of the great ancient cultures and their way of life. They changed society more than anything else.

Masy

05-12-2006, 19:58

Aedui:13
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 3
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 15
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:11
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 7
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 14
Romani: 13
Sauromatae: 6
Sweboz: 11

Rodion Romanovich

05-12-2006, 22:34

tk-421

05-12-2006, 22:53

Romani 13+1=14
Epeiros 14-1=13

Aedui:13
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 3
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 15
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:11
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 7
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 14
Romani: 14
Sauromatae: 6
Sweboz: 11

Volume II

05-12-2006, 22:58

Epieros +1
Sauromatae -1

Aedui:13
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 3
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 15
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:11
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 7
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 14
Romani: 14
Sauromatae: 5
Sweboz: 11

stalin

05-12-2006, 22:59

Hey LegioXXXUlpiaVictrix I got a sig just like yours!

Wardo

05-12-2006, 23:09

Eleutheroi: 3-1=2
Romani: 14+1=15

Aedui:13
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi: 3-1=2
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 15
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:11
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 7
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 14
Romani: 14+1=15
Sauromatae: 5
Sweboz: 11

Birka Viking

05-12-2006, 23:59

Aedui:13
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Eleutheroi:2-1=1
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 15
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:11
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 7
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 14
Romani:15+1=16
Sauromatae: 5
Sweboz: 11

Dayve

05-13-2006, 00:05

Rome is teh win!

Vive la Rome!

Zalmoxis

05-13-2006, 00:22

Getai +1
Eleutheroi -1

Aedui:13
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 16
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:11
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 7
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 14
Romani:16
Sauromatae: 5
Sweboz: 11

Wardo

05-13-2006, 02:03

OMG! You killed Kenny! You bastard! :furious3:

GMT

05-13-2006, 02:45

Getai +1
Romani -1

Aedui:13
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 17
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:11
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 7
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 14
Romani:15
Sauromatae: 5
Sweboz: 11

qvcatullus

05-13-2006, 04:37

I'm game.

Romani +1
Aedui -1

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 11
Casse: 10
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 17
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:11
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 7
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 14
Romani:16
Sauromatae: 5
Sweboz: 11

Forgus

05-13-2006, 08:04

Hmmm How many times can one because I see Certain people wote for one specific faction time and again up to six times..... I guess all know what I mean.... Can you restrict yourselves like voting once a week?

Avicenna

05-13-2006, 08:18

Baktria+1
Iberia-1

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 12
Casse: 10
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 17
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 7
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 14
Romani:16
Sauromatae: 5
Sweboz: 11

Rodion Romanovich

05-13-2006, 08:58

Qarthadast+1
Pontos-1

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 12
Casse: 10
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 17
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 13
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 6
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 15
Romani:16
Sauromatae: 5
Sweboz: 11

O'ETAIPOS

05-13-2006, 09:28

Breaking point in Rome history that nobody mentioned (and i think was crucial)was the great desease carried from the east by Marcus Aurelius' army.
The second was giving citizenship to everybody.

both events combined destroyed roman army allowing barbarians to came in.

not to mention augustus' last will not allowing to conquer germania and shortening border.

Makedonia +1
KH -1

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 12
Casse: 10
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 17
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 14
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 6
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 15
Romani:16
Sauromatae: 5
Sweboz: 11

cunctator

05-13-2006, 11:16

@cunctator: It's my impression that all achievements after around 250-200 BC were direct results of the momentum and solid power basis built up before then. There were a few cases were Rome responded to outer attacks (Mithradates for example) after the Punic wars, but it was a changeover into more hostility and conquest for conquest's sake. Before the first punic war Rome held the moral high ground and represented civilization in that they showed clementia and seldom attacked first, seldom started wars. For every unprovoked hostility, Rome worsened the situation for themselves.

Yes, this small and peaceloving pre punic war city state conquered all off italia and had to subdue all it's neighbours thourgh nearly constant warfare only for the sake of self defence. This sheme can be used to describe nearly all wars of Rome if you want to.

The quick victory over the sucessors after the 2nd punic war were certainly caused by the highly experienced army and their commanders, but I don't think crediting ALL sucesses to the early republic is not justified. After the this generation of experienced veterans of the wars with hannibal and the successors had faded away the romans already had some serious military problems, from the third punic and macedonian war, in iberia, southern gaul and numidia. Of course the romans profited from the size and resources of their territories but when Caesar invaded gaul, the political situation there, the quality of his own army and his polital and military talent were much more important than the deeds of his ancestors.

Many wars of the late republic, begun by warlords as caesar and crassus, were conquest for conquest's sake. But in the early empire things changed. Augustus campaigns were more aimed to secure and stabilize his empire, closing gaps between roman territories by occupiyng illyria, dalmatia, the alps, raetia and the last part of spain, or creating buffer zones. He made peace with the parthians and concentrated activity to the northern border more directly threatening Rome. In germania Drusus early campiagns appaerently were targeted to creat a chain of client states around roman territory only after this strategy failed they tried to conquer and romanize the germans.

After Augustus the principate can be considered as much less agressive as the republic. Tiberius recalled Germanicus when he tried to subdue germania gain. A few decades later as Corbulo was called back when he wanted to move into german lands and was called back, he lamented that the republican generals were allowed to wage war on their on will while he was not allowed to gain glory.

What great unprovocked conquests can be credited to the empire? The romans invaded britian ok, but besides that major new territories were only gained by annexing client state as Mauretania or Thracia. The dacians and sarmatians raided roman territory unprovocked since the beginning of the flavian dynasty. After decades of warfare along the danube and several high casulaties Trajan's offensive mainly tried to make an end to this threads. His parthian war was certianly for the sake of conquest. But arguable you can also say that the empire ultimately failed because their foreign policy stayed to defensive and their wars missed the stubborness of the republic's. Without conquering their enemies along the frontier, while the empire enjoyed the pax romana and the wealth that came with it, they grew strenghter until it was too late. The later wars of the 2nd century were again largely unprocked by rome when first the parthians and then the marcomanii invaded roman territory.

Don't underestimate the problems that civil disorder and rebelliousness caused! The turning point of roman expansion, in 117 AD, rebellions all the way from Cyrenaica to Mesopotamia destroyed part of Trajan's enormous army used in the Parthian war, and threatened to cut off the rest of it. Rebellions in Illyria diverted 5 legions from the conquest of Germania - without that rebellion Arminius could hardly have had time to prepare the Teutoburg forest massacre. There were also plenty of rebellions in Iberia and Gaul. Dacia rebelled at least twice. Eventually the demands for equal terms and citizenship through violence and rebellion pressured Rome to accept that more non-romans reached positions of power. That included barbarians who still hated Rome, and didn't necessarily want that power to act in the best interests of Rome. Civil disorder also kept most of Rome's legions locked to territories and lowered their mobility, costing money while doing nothing good.

During the principate narly the whole army was concentrated along the external borders, far away from most popaltion centres. Greece and Asia minor (except the border) were nearly completly without military. Only a single legion was based in iberia, as well as northern africa, leaving much of the peninsula and whole gaul without a garrison. With below 400.000 soldiers the roman army was much too small to keep the empire together by force.

Without greedy republican governors trying to regain the expnses of prvious election campaigns most provinces profited far more from imperial rule than republican. Lost politcal freedoms and the excesses of some emperors were mostly limited to the roman upper class that formelry ruled the republic, further stabilizing the system of the principate in it's early years.

Most great rebellions as in illyria, germania, britannia and gaul followed directly a few years or decades after the roman conquest. Iberia stayed peaceful after Agustus conquered the last not roman territories and the troops bound on the peninsula were contoiusly reduced to the one legion force mentioned above until falvian era. The great rebellions there were fought against republican armies not the empire. Later ebellions in gaul after Julius Sacrovir during Tiberius, can only be considered as inner roman fighting. Vindex was the official roman governour and rebelled mainly against Nero's rule. Galba who joined his uprising become emperor therafter, without Vindex defeat by loyalist legions from rhine perhaps he would have suceeded Nero. For the great rebllions in the tensions between jewish and greek/pagan provicials were the dominating factor, not roman rule for itself.

The principate didn't give citizenship to the violent and rebells, it rewarded prooven men and their peolple which served the stae loaly. Surely there were some mistakes as giving citizenship to Arminius, but that's the risk of integration. The roman had recognized that their sucess was based on integrating the various peolple into their state, not by brute force alone.

This speechs hold emperor Claudius before the senate when it was debated to let the leading men of the aedui join it, it shows the true spirit behind Rome's sucess:

Tacitus Annales XI 24

In the consulship of Aulus Vitellius and Lucius Vipstanus the question of filling up the Senate was discussed, and the chief men of Gallia Comata, as it was called, who had long possessed the rights of allies and of Roman citizens, sought the privilege of obtaining public offices at Rome.

...

These and like arguments failed to impress the emperor. He at once addressed himself to answer them, and thus harangued the assembled Senate. "My ancestors, the most ancient of whom was made at once a citizen and a noble of Rome, encourage me to govern by the same policy of transferring to this city all conspicuous merit, wherever found. And indeed I know, as facts, that the Julii came from Alba, the Coruncanii from Camerium, the Porcii from Tusculum, and not to inquire too minutely into the past, that new members have been brought into the Senate from Etruria and Lucania and the whole of Italy, that Italy itself was at last extended to the Alps, to the end that not only single persons but entire countries and tribes might be united under our name. We had unshaken peace at home; we prospered in all our foreign relations, in the days when Italy beyond the Po was admitted to share our citizenship, and when, enrolling in our ranks the most vigorous of the provincials, under colour of settling our legions throughout the world, we recruited our exhausted empire. Are we sorry that the Balbi came to us from Spain, and other men not less illustrious from Narbon Gaul? Their descendants are still among us, and do not yield to us in patriotism. "What was the ruin of Sparta and Athens, but this, that mighty as they were in war, they spurned from them as aliens those whom they had conquered? Our founder Romulus, on the other hand, was so wise that he fought as enemies and then hailed as fellow-citizens several nations on the very same day. Strangers have reigned over us. That freedmen's sons should be intrusted with public offices is not, as many wrongly think, a sudden innovation, but was a common practice in the old commonwealth. But, it will be said, we have fought with the Senones. I suppose then that the Volsci and Aequi never stood in array against us. Our city was taken by the Gauls. Well, we also gave hostages to the Etruscans, and passed under the yoke of the Samnites. On the whole, if you review all our wars, never has one been finished in a shorter time than that with the Gauls. Thenceforth they have preserved an unbroken and loyal peace. United as they now are with us by manners, education, and intermarriage, let them bring us their gold and their wealth rather than enjoy it in isolation. Everything, Senators, which we now hold to be of the highest antiquity, was once new. Plebeian magistrates came after patrician; Latin magistrates after plebeian; magistrates of other Italian peoples after Latin. This practice too will establish itself, and what we are this day justifying by precedents, will be itself a precedent."

[11.25] The emperor's speech was followed by a decree of the Senate, and the Aedui were the first to obtain the right of becoming senators at Rome. This compliment was paid to their ancient alliance, and to the fact that they alone of the Gauls cling to the name of brothers of the Roman people.

The rebellions and wars with tribes on the outside together caused the death of so many romans that eventually the empire considered it unbearable to take such losses of good romans, so they started employing more auxilia.

The romans always had relied heavily on allied troops. When during Augustus reign the auxilia became a regular part of the army it was not only to save money and created a reliable more powerful force of cavalry and special troops but also to adequatly participate the provinces on the defense of the empire. After the end of the civil war there were more legionaries mobilized than ever before, and with the continous romanization of the provinces and increase of the citizten population until 212 AD most of these regular auxilia were often as roman as the frontier legions. In the 2nd century AD they employed numerii and nationes unit of more ethnic characrter similar to the late republican auxila, but there numbers where not significant and manly a way to employ quickly mobilized local troops or special recruits, as the sarmatians after Marcus Aurelius victory. What happended in the chaotic days of the later 3rd and in the late empire is different story.

In that changeover period there were some bright spots of culture and similar, but that entire period was based on spending resources such as economical strength, recruitment base of loyal troops, loyalty and popularity, and the rumour of being trustworthy, just and merciful. Wars gave short term economical gain, but spend recruitment base, loyalty, popularity and good rumor. When those things were spent, economy was destroyed by the need to hire so many troops against enemies outside and within. Money was spent on culture and architecture, giving higher living standards in a short term perspective. When most of the money was spent, there was nothing left of what the early republic romans had created. While the "spending phase" begun in 250 BC, it wasn't really until 100-200 AD that the resources started to run short. This shows how amazing state leaders the early republic romans were. Their followers were not, all they did was spend resources. It hardly takes any genius to do that, especially as the early roman republic senators had built up not only these resources, but also tradition and a sense of strategy.

Compared to the rebuplic the principate considerably enlarged his recruitment base, by giving citizenship to provincials far more generously than before. The shift from a militia artmy raised to full strenght only in case of war to a professional force permanetly garrisioned along distant borders much more reduced their loyalty towards state and his people towards their commanders and the emperor that paid them than any looses. Through it was certainly a huge mistake to pay subsidies to friendly tribes and states to stabilize ceratin border regions only for the sake of buyed peace.

The money spent by the empire wasn't inherited and taken from any secret buried treasury of the Republic. It was from the taxes payed by the current inhabitants of the roman world, generated by the empires economy. Rarely an emperor had build up reserves during his reign (Tiberius and Vespasian) mostly as most modern states the roman empire spent immidiatly what they got. The great buildings projects and the army of the principate, which wasn't much bigger than mamy modern forces, and rather small compared to the size of the empire, were financed by the flourishing economy during the centuries of the pax romana and not the treasuires of the ancients. Some of the extraordinary building priojects as the trajan's forum and the expansion of ostia artificial harbour were financed by the large booty from the dacian wars, but the countless iles of streets, aqueducts and ordinary public buildings that really raised the quality of living were not. In fact most provincial improvements weren't build by the empire, but paid by the rihcer citizens and cities directly, what become only possible due their gneral good econimal situation. The system collopased in the 3rd century when external and civil wars demanded for more soldiers and thus higher military expense the same time these crisises destroyed the base of the empire's wealth and economy.

Footnote: when I say period x was full of y, z etc., I don't necessarily mean the entire period contained all those things. For example the intolerance came in shorter bursts - Nero, Domitian, then a pause, then it came again during the end of Trajan's rule and during Hadrian's rule. Then it started again a bit later. And intolerance is still intolerance even during the periods when the intolerance was only directed at minorities.

You can't blame whole roman society for the deeds of certain emperors, that were additionaly very limited in time and space. During Nero's reign and the whole jewish war Tiberius Alexander,of jewish origin himself enjoeyed a remarkable career, becoming prefect of egypt and finally even praetorian prefect under Vespasian. Especially Hadrian tried it's best to better integrate the various peolple of his empire and travelled through all countries to know his citizens and promote them, especially the greeks.

Rodion Romanovich

05-13-2006, 12:17

There are always exceptions to any statement made about something that involves several million human beings and several centuries. But in summarizing the events, the Punic wars to 200 AD period was a period of spending, the period before that had more character of buildup. After all it was the pre-punic war Rome that easily managed to survive Trebia, Trasimene and Cannae, while Crassus' Rome had problems surviving Carrhae, Augustus' Rome had problems coping with Teutoburg forest, and Trajan's Rome that didn't cope with the lost Parthian war. Early Rome wasn't 100% peaceloving, neither was late Rome a 100% oppressive rule. But if the view is simplified, and the most important factor for the fall of Rome is sought, this is the strongest factor, as it gives rise to each of the events that historians agree directly led to Rome's fall. Indirectly behind them, this is the factor that caused the factors that caused the fall. Since I've already discussed this in the other thread I won't repeat all details of it here, but if you have direct responses to my comments in the other thread you may want to reply to them there, rather than forcing me to say the same things twice, which would be tedious.

In any case, any explanation of causality of anything in nature needs to be a simplification. It's only matter of which level of simplification we want our model to have. If we want the model to consist of one factor, the model I presented gives the highest accuracy for describing reality. If we want a model described in 100 factors, the view of modern historians is more accurate, but it's quite complex and might hide part of the overview, which serves as a good example for political and diplomatical theory.

Early Republican Rome conquered much of the Italian peninsula through diplomacy. Most people wanted to be part of Rome by free will. Rome also stood up to alliances, even if it meant destruction of much of the roman army at times (samnite wars). To deny that this good rumor played a major part in roman expansion would be a fallacy! Much of roman conquests were entirely diplomatic, and so many wouldn't have allied to Rome if Rome hadn't got a long time reputation for always being a trustworthy ally. This changed in the Imperial period.

Most great rebellions as in illyria, germania, britannia and gaul followed directly a few years or decades after the roman conquest.

Yes, but there's always a revolt attempt after a conquest of any province, almost always in history. But usually if you conquer a country that attacked you first, the conquered people tend to give up if they lose their first rebellion attempt. They eventually accept the occupation as something else than occupation, because they know the occupation is their own fault. This works very well when it's an entire tribe or nation that almost unanimously decides to go to war with another, and lose (but doesn't work as well when the war is driven by only a few). If the aggressor when defeated is also shown mercy and given a chance to integrate, they gladly become a part of such a just entity, for an entity that is so just, also gets strong by being so just.

But in the Imperial period, conquests faced rebellions much later than after the actual conquest - for example in Jewish, Greek and Pagan territories. You're indeed admitting that:

For the great rebllions in the tensions between jewish and greek/pagan provicials were the dominating factor, not roman rule for itself.

This tension was due to the very fact that: 1. the roman occupation was not a response to any hostility towards Rome, 2. the roman occupation refused to allow these people to maintain their culture.

Thus - the imperial roman expansionism philosophy was indeed the cause of the rebellions. While the Republican armies seldom faced more than one rebellion, the Imperial armies faced repeated rebellions. They used more fear and terror measures to scare people from rebellion. That sometimes removed the initial after-conquest rebellion, but long term unrest was much stronger. Plus the people from conquered areas, when coming to a position of power, seldom acted in the interest of Rome.

Vindex was the official roman governour and rebelled mainly against Nero's rule.

This shows very well that the Imperial system wasn't working, because it could make a person like Nero emperor. That's a very good reason to dislike roman expansionism and fight for independence - if the constitution of the faction that conquers you is so bad that it allows for oppressive maniacs to become rulers, then fighting for freedom is very reasonable, even if during the few situations where good emperors come to power, life can be more technologically advanced. Advanced technology is not something that makes people happy, it's just a way of keeping the mind away from the real concerns for safety, justice and freedom. In safety and living standards, a high lowest-level is more appreciated than a high top-level.

The principate didn't give citizenship to the violent and rebells, it rewarded prooven men and their peolple which served the stae loaly. Surely there were some mistakes as giving citizenship to Arminius, but that's the risk of integration. The roman had recognized that their sucess was based on integrating the various peolple into their state, not by brute force alone.

The integration became more difficult in the Empire period because Rome was growing more oppressive and unjust, and no longer kept the moralistic ideals that it had kept in the early phase, which had led people to trust the words of Roman representatives. For example - clementia (mercifulness), standing up for allies, and not conquering too many others than those who were aggressive to Rome first. The nova sapientia following after the Punic wars undermined this trust. There were roman representatives who in the period after the Punic wars said things like: "drop your weapons and we'll give you mercy", and then slaughtered all opponents when they had surrendered. There were alliances that were backstabbed. There were conquests merely to link up conquered territories, much like Hitler's attempt to seize the Polish corridor in 1939, only the romans did that kind of thing a dozen times, especially in the Imperial period. Such things removed the trust towards Rome, that had enabled so many diplomatical conquests and internal stability.

The Empire period integration was about burning and destroying rival culture, not about making people feel loyal to Rome. That was a major fallacy - it's more important to make people be loyal to and loving to their conqueror than eradicating their earlier culture. The Jews for instance didn't rebel much in the early phase after they were conquered, because Rome accepted their culture and ideals. Thus the Jews were fairly well integrated from a political point of view, but not from a culture point of view. They were often loyal to Rome, as in the example Tiberius Alexander that you gave. But the following empire period attempt for integration was based on the fallacy that eradicating culture and forming a state religion and a state culture would increase unity, which it didn't. Early roman tolerance was built upon keeping foreign temples. Late roman "tolerance" was to force roman state religion upon the conquered, but making some gods of the conquered be part of that state religion. It wasn't a way of allowing foreign religions, but rather a way of convincing the people that "you're already believing in the roman state religion, see - your God is a part of it".

You can't blame whole roman society for the deeds of certain emperors
Not the whole roman people, but the roman system was obviously seriously flawed when it allowed such emperors to get the full executive power over it's legions.

that were additionaly very limited in time and space

Nero, Claudius, Domitian, Trajan, Hadrian, Commodus, Heliogabalus - for a period there was at least 1 nutcase per generation. That's quite a lot. Would you like to live in an empire were at least once in your life time you'd have to put up with a nutcase leader?

Hadrian tried it's best to better integrate the various peolple of his empire

Hadrian gave the impression of wanting to eradicate cultural differences, not increase loyalty, understanding and communion. Hadrian was a fan of Greek culture, especially the homosexual parts of it, and wanted to spread the ideals of old men having sex with small boys around the empire. He made a statue to a boy (Antinoos) who had drowned himself in the Nile after being Hadrian's lover, possible as a result of becoming suicidal by the sexual abuse. Hadrian carried out a genocide of the Jews of the Bar Kochba revolt. IIRC he also held one of the longest gladiatorial games with most death fights so far in the history of the empire. Hadrian also wanted to destroy the remnants of the Jewish temple, and build a Jupiter temples in it's place, and he is also responsible for expelling the Jews from Jerusalem, expelling those he didn't kill, that is. Hadrian thus created the beginning of post-roman antisemitism, which later made it into the Christian culture. Do you call that integration?

stalin

05-13-2006, 12:19

Way too much text in this game, I am out...

The Celtic Viking

05-13-2006, 15:28

Hmmm How many times can one because I see Certain people wote for one specific faction time and again up to six times

You're allowed to vote once a day.

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 12
Casse: 10
Epeiros: 15 (+1)
Getai: 16 (-1)
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 14
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 6
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 15
Romani:16
Sauromatae: 5
Sweboz: 11

Forgus

05-13-2006, 16:55

OK then

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 12
Casse: 10
Epeiros: 16 (+1)
Getai: 15 (-1)
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 14
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 6
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 15
Romani:16
Sauromatae: 5
Sweboz: 11

Wardo

05-13-2006, 17:25

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 12
Casse: 10
Epeiros: 16
Getai: 15
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 14
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 6
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 15
Romani:17 (16+1)
Sauromatae: 4 (5-1)
Sweboz: 11

PantsToucher

05-13-2006, 18:05

Getai +1
Sauromatae -1

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 12
Casse: 10
Epeiros: 16
Getai: 15 +1=16
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 14
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 6
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 15
Romani:17
Sauromatae: 4-1=3
Sweboz: 11

Cronos Impera

05-13-2006, 18:17

Ok Forgus! Ighe!

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 12
Casse: 10
Epeiros: 16 -1=15
Getai: 16 +1=17
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 14
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 6
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 15
Romani:17
Sauromatae: 3
Sweboz: 11

Orb

05-13-2006, 19:22

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 12
Casse: 10+1=11
Epeiros: 15
Getai: 17-1=16
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 14
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 6
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 15
Romani:17
Sauromatae: 3
Sweboz: 11

Zalmoxis

05-13-2006, 21:32

Getai +1
Epeiros -1

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 12
Casse: 11
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 17
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 14
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 6
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 15
Romani:17
Sauromatae: 3
Sweboz: 11

Dayve

05-13-2006, 21:41

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 12
Casse: 11
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 17-1=16
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 14
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 6
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 15
Romani:17+1=18
Sauromatae: 3
Sweboz: 11

Neco

05-13-2006, 22:56

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 12
Casse: 11
Epeiros: 13 (-1)
Getai: 16
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 15 (+1)
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 6
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 15
Romani:18
Sauromatae: 3
Sweboz: 11

Justiciar

05-14-2006, 00:03

Romani -1
Qarthadast +1

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 12
Casse: 11
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 16
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 15
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 6
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 16
Romani:17
Sauromatae: 3
Sweboz: 11

GMT

05-14-2006, 00:11

Romani -1
Getai +1

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 12
Casse: 11
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 17
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 15
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 6
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 16
Romani:16
Sauromatae: 3
Sweboz: 11

Avicenna

05-14-2006, 08:39

Getai-1
Romani+1

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 12
Casse: 11
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 16
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 15
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 6
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 16
Romani:17
Sauromatae: 3
Sweboz: 11

Forgus

05-14-2006, 08:48

Day has downed

Getai-1
Epeiros+1

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 12
Casse: 11
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 15
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 15
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 6
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 16
Romani:17
Sauromatae: 3
Sweboz: 11

Cronos Impera

05-14-2006, 08:54

Ighe Forgus!

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 12
Casse: 11
Epeiros: 14 -1=13
Getai: 15 +1=16
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:10
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 15
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 6
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 16
Romani:17
Sauromatae: 3
Sweboz: 11

Forgus

05-14-2006, 09:30

To show my sense of fair play (and your complete lack of the most basic mathematical skills:laugh4: ) 14-1=13

Zalmoxis

05-14-2006, 09:32

Either way, it makes the last to additions to the game pointless.

Orb

05-14-2006, 10:52

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 12
Casse: 11
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 16
Hayasdan:11+1=12
Iberia:10-1=9
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 15
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 6
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 16
Romani:17
Sauromatae: 3
Sweboz: 11

Kralizec

05-14-2006, 14:10

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 6
Baktria: 12
Casse: 11 +1 = 12
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 16
Hayasdan:12
Iberia:9
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 15
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 6
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 16 -1 = 15
Romani:17
Sauromatae: 3
Sweboz: 11

The Celtic Viking

05-14-2006, 16:16

Gotta save the poor Arverni...

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 7 (+1)
Baktria: 12
Casse: 12
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 16
Hayasdan:11 (-1)
Iberia:9
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 15
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 6
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 15
Romani:17
Sauromatae: 3
Sweboz: 11

Volume II

05-14-2006, 16:51

Epeiros +1
Sauromatae -1

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 12
Casse: 12
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 16
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:9
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 15
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 6
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 15
Romani:17
Sauromatae: 2
Sweboz: 11

Wardo

05-14-2006, 19:53

Sauromatae: 2-1=1
Romani:17+1=18

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 12
Casse: 12
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 16
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:9
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 15
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 6
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 15
Romani:18
Sauromatae: 1
Sweboz: 11

Zalmoxis

05-14-2006, 19:54

Getai +1
Epeiros -1

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 12
Casse: 12
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 17
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:9
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 15
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 6
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 15
Romani:18
Sauromatae: 1
Sweboz: 11

Dayve

05-14-2006, 20:15

Romani+1
Getai-1

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 12
Casse: 12
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 16
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:9
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 15
Pahlav: 7
Pontos: 6
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 15
Romani:19
Sauromatae: 1
Sweboz: 11

O'ETAIPOS

05-14-2006, 21:55

Makedon +1
Phalav -1

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 12
Casse: 12
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 16
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:9
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 16
Pahlav: 6
Pontos: 6
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 15
Romani:19
Sauromatae: 1
Sweboz: 11

Birka Viking

05-14-2006, 22:48

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 12
Casse: 12
Epeiros: 13
Getai: 16
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:9
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 16
Pahlav: 6
Pontos: 6
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 15
Romani:19+1=20
Sauromatae: 1-1=0
Sweboz: 11

Birka Viking

05-14-2006, 22:49

Sauromatae is gone ..lol

Forgus

05-14-2006, 23:29

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 12
Casse: 12
Epeiros: 13+1=14
Getai: 16-1=15
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:9
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 16
Pahlav: 6
Pontos: 6
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 15
Romani:20
Sweboz: 11

tk-421

05-14-2006, 23:47

Aedui:12
Arche Seleukeia:12
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 12
Casse: 12
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 15
Hayasdan:11
Iberia:9
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 16
Pahlav: 6
Pontos: 6-1=5
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 15
Romani:20+1=21
Sweboz: 11

Justiciar

05-14-2006, 23:50

Romani -1
Sweboz +1

Aedui: 12
Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 12
Casse: 12
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 15
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 9
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 16
Pahlav: 6
Pontos: 5
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 15
Romani: 20
Sweboz: 12

PantsToucher

05-15-2006, 02:05

Getai +1
Pontos -1

Aedui: 12
Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 12
Casse: 12
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 15 +1=16
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 9
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 16
Pahlav: 6
Pontos: 5 -1=4
Ptolemaioi:11
Qarthadast: 15
Romani: 20
Sweboz: 12

Warlord 11

05-15-2006, 02:42

Aedui: 12
Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 12
Casse: 12
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 16
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 9
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 16
Pahlav: 6
Pontos: 4
Ptolemaioi:11+1=12
Qarthadast: 15
Romani: 20-1=19
Sweboz: 12

Slider6977

05-15-2006, 03:43

Aedui: 12
Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 12
Casse: 12
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 16
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 9
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 16
Pahlav: 6
Pontos: 4-1=3
Ptolemaioi:12
Qarthadast: 15+1=16
Romani: 19
Sweboz: 12

GMT

05-15-2006, 06:17

Romani -1
Qarthadast +1

Aedui: 12
Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 12
Casse: 12
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 16
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 9
Koinon Hellenon: 12
Makedonia: 16
Pahlav: 6
Pontos: 3
Ptolemaioi:12
Qarthadast: 17
Romani: 18
Sweboz: 12

Justiciar

05-15-2006, 06:36

If each faction started off with 10 points, and there were eighteen factions, that would come to a total of 180 points.. and since we're adding 1 and taking 1.. shouldn't the scores add up to 180?

GMT

05-15-2006, 06:54

If each faction started off with 10 points, and there were eighteen factions, that would come to a total of 180 points.. and since we're adding 1 and taking 1.. shouldn't the scores add up to 180?

The Sauromatae, Eleutheroi and Yuezhi are already eliminated, there were 20 factions from the start.

So the scores should add up to 200 but they add up to 201 so there's obviously some one who made a mistake.

Justiciar

05-15-2006, 07:05

Oh aye.. I was counting from CHB's origional post. Still.. -1 Pontos? Edge them closer to death? :2thumbsup:

Avicenna

05-15-2006, 07:56

KH+, Mak-

Aedui: 12
Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 12
Casse: 12
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 16
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 9
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 15
Pahlav: 6
Pontos: 3
Ptolemaioi:12
Qarthadast: 17
Romani: 18
Sweboz: 12

Dayve

05-15-2006, 09:24

Romani+
Carthage-

Aedui: 12
Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 12
Casse: 12
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 16
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 9
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 15
Pahlav: 6
Pontos: 3
Ptolemaioi:12
Qarthadast: 16
Romani: 19
Sweboz: 12

Wardo

05-15-2006, 13:45

Romani +1
Pontos -1

Aedui: 12
Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 12
Casse: 12
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 16
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 9
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 15
Pahlav: 6
Pontos: 2
Ptolemaioi:12
Qarthadast: 16
Romani: 20
Sweboz: 12

Taurus

05-15-2006, 14:18

Iberia +1
Sweboz -1

Aedui: 12
Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 12
Casse: 12
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 16
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 15
Pahlav: 6
Pontos: 2
Ptolemaioi:12
Qarthadast: 16
Romani: 20
Sweboz: 11

Justiciar

05-15-2006, 15:31

Pontos -1
Qarthadast +1

Aedui: 12
Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 12
Casse: 12
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 16
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 15
Pahlav: 6
Pontos: 1
Ptolemaioi:12
Qarthadast: 17
Romani: 20
Sweboz: 11

Rodion Romanovich

05-15-2006, 15:49

Yay I get to kill a faction!
Pontos -1
Arverni +1

Aedui: 12
Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 8
Baktria: 12
Casse: 12
Epeiros: 14
Getai: 16
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 15
Pahlav: 6
Ptolemaioi:12
Qarthadast: 17
Romani: 20
Sweboz: 11

Kralizec

05-15-2006, 17:38

Aedui: 12
Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 8
Baktria: 12
Casse: 12
Epeiros: 14 +1 = 15
Getai: 16
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 15
Pahlav: 6
Ptolemaioi:12
Qarthadast: 17 -1 = 16
Romani: 20
Sweboz: 11

:cheerleader: Go Epeiros! :cheerleader:

UltraWar

05-15-2006, 17:41

Sweboz +1
Pahlav -1

Aedui: 12
Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 8
Baktria: 12
Casse: 12
Epeiros: 15
Getai: 16
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 15
Pahlav: 5
Ptolemaioi:12
Qarthadast: 16
Romani: 20
Sweboz: 12

Volume II

05-15-2006, 19:19

Epeiros +1
Pahlav -1

Aedui: 12
Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 8
Baktria: 12
Casse: 12
Epeiros: 16
Getai: 16
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 15
Pahlav: 4
Ptolemaioi:12
Qarthadast: 16
Romani: 20
Sweboz: 12

qvcatullus

05-15-2006, 19:48

We get to play once a day, right?

Arverni -1
Romani +1

Aedui: 12
Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 12
Casse: 12
Epeiros: 16
Getai: 16
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 15
Pahlav: 4
Ptolemaioi:12
Qarthadast: 16
Romani: 21
Sweboz: 12

Dayve

05-15-2006, 20:14

Once a day yes.

Ragabash

05-15-2006, 21:31

Baktria +1
Romani -1

Aedui: 12
Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 13
Casse: 12
Epeiros: 16
Getai: 16
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 15
Pahlav: 4
Ptolemaioi:12
Qarthadast: 16
Romani: 20
Sweboz: 12

PS. I think it would be better to be able to vote when there are more than 10-15 new posts, rather than every day once.

Copperhaired Berserker!

05-15-2006, 22:10

Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 13
Casse: 12+1=13
Epeiros: 16
Getai: 16
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 15
Pahlav: 4-1=3
Ptolemaioi:12
Qarthadast: 16
Romani: 20
Sweboz: 12

tk-421

05-15-2006, 22:42

Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 13
Casse: 13
Epeiros: 16
Getai: 16
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 15
Pahlav: 3-1=2
Ptolemaioi:12
Qarthadast: 16
Romani: 20+1=21
Sweboz: 12

Copperhaired Berserker!

05-16-2006, 00:18

Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 13
Casse: 13
Epeiros: 16
Getai: 16
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 15
Pahlav: 2-1=1
Ptolemaioi:12
Qarthadast: 16
Romani: 21+1=22
Sweboz: 12

Zalmoxis

05-16-2006, 02:43

Copperhead, post only once a day.

Getai +1
Pahlav -1

Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 13
Casse: 13
Epeiros: 16
Getai: 17
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 10
Koinon Hellenon: 13
Makedonia: 15
Ptolemaioi:12
Qarthadast: 16
Romani: 22
Sweboz: 12

Avicenna

05-16-2006, 07:16

Getai-1
KH+1

Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 13
Casse: 13
Epeiros: 16
Getai: 16
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 10
Koinon Hellenon: 14
Makedonia: 15
Ptolemaioi:12
Qarthadast: 16
Romani: 22
Sweboz: 12

EDIT: If copperhead is from GMT+0 or GMT+1, he did post once per day.

Warlord 11

05-16-2006, 08:21

Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 7
Baktria: 13
Casse: 13
Epeiros: 16
Getai: 16
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 10
Koinon Hellenon: 14
Makedonia: 15
Ptolemaioi:12
Qarthadast: 16+1=17
Romani: 22-1=21
Sweboz: 12

Rodion Romanovich

05-16-2006, 08:38

Arverni+1
Romani-1

Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 8
Baktria: 13
Casse: 13
Epeiros: 16
Getai: 16
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 10
Koinon Hellenon: 14
Makedonia: 15
Ptolemaioi:12
Qarthadast: 17
Romani: 20
Sweboz: 12

GMT

05-16-2006, 09:04

Qarthadast +1
Romani -1

Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 8
Baktria: 13
Casse: 13
Epeiros: 16
Getai: 16
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 10
Koinon Hellenon: 14
Makedonia: 15
Ptolemaioi:12
Qarthadast: 18
Romani: 19
Sweboz: 12

Dayve

05-16-2006, 09:18

Qarthadast-
Romani+

Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 8
Baktria: 13
Casse: 13
Epeiros: 16
Getai: 16
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 10
Koinon Hellenon: 14
Makedonia: 15
Ptolemaioi:12
Qarthadast: 17
Romani: 20
Sweboz: 12

The Celtic Viking

05-16-2006, 10:05

Arverni +1
Romani -1

Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 9
Baktria: 13
Casse: 13
Epeiros: 16
Getai: 16
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 10
Koinon Hellenon: 14
Makedonia: 15
Ptolemaioi:12
Qarthadast: 17
Romani: 19
Sweboz: 12

stalin

05-16-2006, 10:08

Due to the Averni "problem" I am forced to offer a solution
Arverni -1
Romani +1

Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 8
Baktria: 13
Casse: 13
Epeiros: 16
Getai: 16
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 10
Koinon Hellenon: 14
Makedonia: 15
Ptolemaioi:12
Qarthadast: 17
Romani: 20
Sweboz: 12

Wardo

05-16-2006, 17:14

Iberia -1
Romani +1

Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 8
Baktria: 13
Casse: 13
Epeiros: 16
Getai: 16
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 9
Koinon Hellenon: 14
Makedonia: 15
Ptolemaioi:12
Qarthadast: 17
Romani: 21
Sweboz: 12

Justiciar

05-16-2006, 17:28

Iberia -1
Sweboz +1

Aedui 12
Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 8
Baktria: 13
Casse: 13
Epeiros: 16
Getai: 16
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 8
Koinon Hellenon: 14
Makedonia: 15
Ptolemaioi:12
Qarthadast: 17
Romani: 21
Sweboz: 13

Kralizec

05-16-2006, 18:36

Romani -1
Ptolemaioi +1

Aedui 12
Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 8
Baktria: 13
Casse: 13
Epeiros: 16
Getai: 16
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 8
Koinon Hellenon: 14
Makedonia: 15
Ptolemaioi:13
Qarthadast: 17
Romani: 20
Sweboz: 13

Forgus

05-16-2006, 19:18

Getai -1
Epeiros +1

Aedui 12
Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 8
Baktria: 13
Casse: 13
Epeiros: 17
Getai: 15
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 8
Koinon Hellenon: 14
Makedonia: 15
Ptolemaioi:13
Qarthadast: 17
Romani: 20
Sweboz: 13

Sarcasm

05-16-2006, 19:26

Romani -1
Iberia +1

Aedui 12
Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 8
Baktria: 13
Casse: 13
Epeiros: 17
Getai: 15
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 9
Koinon Hellenon: 14
Makedonia: 15
Ptolemaioi:13
Qarthadast: 17
Romani: 19
Sweboz: 13

Homo Sapiens

05-16-2006, 21:42

KH +1
Romani -1

Aedui 12
Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 8
Baktria: 13
Casse: 13
Epeiros: 17
Getai: 15
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 9
Koinon Hellenon: 15
Makedonia: 15
Ptolemaioi:13
Qarthadast: 17
Romani: 18
Sweboz: 13

Taurus

05-16-2006, 23:20

Iberia +1
Sweboz -1

Aedui 12
Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 8
Baktria: 13
Casse: 13
Epeiros: 17
Getai: 15
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 10
Koinon Hellenon: 15
Makedonia: 15
Ptolemaioi:13
Qarthadast: 17
Romani: 18
Sweboz: 12

tk-421

05-16-2006, 23:42

Aedui 12
Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni: 8-1=7
Baktria: 13
Casse: 13
Epeiros: 17
Getai: 15
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 10
Koinon Hellenon: 15
Makedonia: 15
Ptolemaioi:13
Qarthadast: 17
Romani: 18+1=19
Sweboz: 12

Birka Viking

05-17-2006, 00:12

Aedui 12
Arche Seleukeia: 12
Arverni:7
Baktria: 13
Casse: 13
Epeiros: 17
Getai: 15
Hayasdan: 11
Iberia: 10-1=9
Koinon Hellenon: 15
Makedonia: 15
Ptolemaioi:13
Qarthadast: 17
Romani:19+1=20
Sweboz: 12

Dayve

05-17-2006, 00:15

We should let teh Romani win since out of that list, they did the most for western Europe... The Romans were the only ones willing to spread their culture and civilisation throughout western Europe. I don't care what anybody says about the Romans being evil as opposed to being good before around 250BC, and i don't care if the Romans didn't invent most of the things they gave to western Europe, but the fact is that everywhere in western Europe the Romans went, their technology followed, and WE was unified for the first (and last?) time ever and flourished like it never had before.

ROMANI ARE TEH PWN

Ragabash

05-17-2006, 00:52

The Romans were the only ones willing to spread their culture and civilisation throughout western Europe.

Sure they were. Other nations were forced to spread their culture and civilization trought the known world. But really, Rome didnt spread their culture into new regions as much as they were affected by conquered lands.

Everywhere in western Europe the Romans went, their technology followed, and WE was unified for the first (and last?) time ever and flourished like it never had before.

Dont forget, where Romans went, their slave mines and exploitation of conquered lands followed. Rome really wasnt one united empire that lived together in harmony. Most of nations that lived in Roman Empire lands were exploited by Roman nobles so much that Romans were hated commonly everywhere outside Italy.

Did Rome flourished after 1.AD, I would argue about that. Especially Western Rome was in serious problems with riots, corruption and generals hungry for power.