sarmatians wore pointy hats?

[antiochus epiphanes]

im curious as to what made you guys have the sarmatians have the pointy hats like the parthians and scythians ones to a extent.
what sources do you have for them? cause im having a hard time finding any:book:

[edyzmedieval]

Ask Steppe Merc directly. He's the Sarmatian, Pahlavian and Something Other than These 2 Nomads guy. :book:

[Moros]

steppe Merc and Angadil are the ones doing the Sauromatae history/research/....

[Angadil]

im curious as to what made you guys have the sarmatians have the pointy hats like the parthians and scythians ones to a extent.
what sources do you have for them? cause im having a hard time finding any:book:
What specific Sarmatian unit are you talking about? As far as I can remember, only the Early Sarmatian Nobles could be said to wear a pointy hat, but they do not. They are wearing a Greek-manufactured Phrygian helmet (well attested import). Mind you, the "pointy hat" was so widespread that it is probably fine for Sarmatians, particularly early ones (see, I. Lebedynsky "Les Sarmates"). However, as most original art does not indeed show them using it, we have erred on the cautious sidee and not given it to any units (at least, none I can remember).

[stalin]

I know that this is a little later period but...


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[Steppe Merc]

Yeah, what Angadil said. The pointy hats (I assume you mean the Phyrgian cap) was not given to the Sarmatians. Except for the foot archers, and they were just a place holder and will be replaced. Most Sarmatian art did have them bareheaded (at least the light horse archers).

[Mad Guitar Murphy]

hmm, is it possible to train anything heavier than the noble horse archer with front armored horse and short lance in EB at it's current status?

[antiochus epiphanes]

not so much the phyrgian helm but the normal horse archers hats im refering to, that are on the horse archers for the parthians,armenians,and yeuzhi:book:

[Steppe Merc]

hmm, is it possible to train anything heavier than the noble horse archer with front armored horse and short lance in EB at it's current status?
The heaviest unit in game is the Rauxsa-alanna Nobles. I'm guessing you're reffering to the Early Sauromatae Nobles... Unfortantetly, the recruitment is really screwed up currently, and I'm not sure what is working and what isn't.
antiochus:Yes, that's the Phyrgian hat (not helm). The smurf hat. I'm pretty sure only the Sarmatian foot archers have them, and they are a placeholder.

[Wardo]

Sarmatians got their pointy hats from Germannia, here's proof from the last Sarmatian tribe preserved intact and alive to this date. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHrN97uC4LQ)

They stole the language too.

[Steppe Merc]

Um... no!

The Sarmatians spoke an Iranian language. It is similar to the Persian, Parthian, and Scythian languages, and is closely preserved today as Ossentian, which is what we used to translate the unit names. The Ossentians were desended from Alans who, after breaking away from the Goths and or Huns (I'm not sure exaclty when)... they moved into the Caucaus mountains, and contuied to play an important role in the area, such as serving the Byzantines as mercanaries and crafting ornate weapons.

The pointy hat is a Phyrgian cap, and was found throughout what is now Russia, Turkey and Central Asia. It found in Scythian vases, Persian depection of nomads and the coins of Parthian kings, including Arsaces 1. Numerous other styles of similar felt hats exist, both amongst the Iranians and among the early Celt and Germanic people. That isn't to say one stole it from another.

There was of course interaction between the Germanic tribes and the Iranian nomads. The Goths moved into what was Alannic land, and the Goths adopted many Sarmatian customs and military styles. For example, at the battle of Adrianople, the Gothic cavalry likely included Alans. The Alans probably adopted some Germanic terms as the Goths adopted Sarmatian, for Ossentian does have some Turkic terms as well (I believe...), just as Farsi today has Arabic terms.

I do not see anything on that site you gave, but judging by the link given, and the claims made, I can garantee it is not particularly trustworthy.

[Wardo]

:laugh4:

Thanks for the lesson, Steppe Merc. :sweatdrop:

[Reverend Joe]

Um... no!

The Sarmatians spoke an Iranian language. It is similar to the Persian, Parthian, and Scythian languages, and is closely preserved today as Ossentian, which is what we used to translate the unit names. The Ossentians were desended from Alans who, after breaking away from the Goths and or Huns (I'm not sure exaclty when)... they moved into the Caucaus mountains, and contuied to play an important role in the area, such as serving the Byzantines as mercanaries and crafting ornate weapons.

The pointy hat is a Phyrgian cap, and was found throughout what is now Russia, Turkey and Central Asia. It found in Scythian vases, Persian depection of nomads and the coins of Parthian kings, including Arsaces 1. Numerous other styles of similar felt hats exist, both amongst the Iranians and among the early Celt and Germanic people. That isn't to say one stole it from another.

There was of course interaction between the Germanic tribes and the Iranian nomads. The Goths moved into what was Alannic land, and the Goths adopted many Sarmatian customs and military styles. For example, at the battle of Adrianople, the Gothic cavalry likely included Alans. The Alans probably adopted some Germanic terms as the Goths adopted Sarmatian, for Ossentian does have some Turkic terms as well (I believe...), just as Farsi today has Arabic terms.

I do not see anything on that site you gave, but judging by the link given, and the claims made, I can garantee it is not particularly trustworthy.
Hopefully this link will work for you... it also shows a live video of the last surviving Sarmatian tribe, clearly using a Germanic dialect and pointy hats. (http://www.koreus.com/media/dschinghiskhan-moskau.html)

:laugh4:

(...You weren't being wierdly sarcastic, were you? Because you sounded serious... that's why I found this thing.)

[Steppe Merc]

Hmm. Well I did not get that very odd video before. I just got a generic page, without the dancing Germans. Now I understand that it was a joke. I thought it was one of the many crackpot sites out there, actually claiming that the Sarmatians were Germans.

[VandalCarthage]

Well, those were a little odd. Nothing like Cold War era Russian disco.