Another Bush poll! Do you approve of the job he is doing?

[Divinus Arma]

Simple! Yes! or No!

All votes for Gah will be counted as European.:laugh4:


EDIT: POLL IS NOT PUBLIC>

[Spetulhu]

I voted Gah! since I'm Eurotrash. ~D

[Xiahou]

I dont think you'll find many approving votes. The thing some people on the left don't seem to understand is that conservatives can and do support certain Bush policies (a scant few), while still feeling that he's doing a poor job overall. For example, just because someone supports finishing the job in Iraq, they arent automatically Bush administration cheer leader.

I voted that I disapprove of the job he's doing- but if the election between Bush and Kerry were held tomorrow, I'd have no choice but to vote for Bush. Maybe next time the Dems will give us someone not so shiftless. I probably wouldn't have voted for a Leiberman- but at least he seemed rational enough that I wouldnt have been forced to vote for Bush for fear of letting a liberal kook in office. Hopefully next time Dems wont nominate a raving loon (or Hillary), because Im pretty uninspired by the current slate of Republican hopefulls. :no:

[Justiciar]

Who is this Bush fellow anyway?

[Kagemusha]

GAH! Another Eurotrash vote.:oops:

[Sjakihata]

Voted Gah! - im european and I do not approve of his job, never have.

[Devastatin Dave]

Voted no...
He's squandered one of the greatest opportunities for Conservatives to finally step on the necks of the 60's generation's foolish policies that have destroyed the moral fabric of our great society. Screw-U Bush...:furious3:

[Lemur]

Anybody else notice how hard-core American conservatives are starting to sound like communists? Meaning to say, if you argue with a modern commie, you're going to hear, "Oh no, the theory is great, it just hasn't been done right yet." So Stalin doesn't count, and Mao doesn't count, and the Khmer Rouge don't count, and if people would just do it right, everything would be perfect.

Do you see the analogy? Bush I doesn't count. Bush II doesn't count. Nixon doesn't count. They're not "real" conservatives. The ideology is still pure and perfect, just please ignore the reality and results of an all-conservative government for six years. They don't count. Now if we can just elect some "real" conservatives, everything will get fixed.

What a bunch of starry-eyed hippie idealists.

[Devastatin Dave]

Anybody else notice how hard-core American conservatives are starting to sound like communists? Meaning to say, if you argue with a modern commie, you're going to hear, "Oh no, the theory is great, it just hasn't been done right yet." So Stalin doesn't count, and Mao doesn't count, and the Khmer Rouge don't count, and if people would just do it right, everything would be perfect.

Do you see the analogy? Bush I doesn't count. Bush II doesn't count. Nixon doesn't count. They're not "real" conservatives. The ideology is still pure and perfect, just please ignore the reality and results of an all-conservative government for six years. They don't count. Now if we can just elect some "real" conservatives, everything will get fixed.

What a bunch of starry-eyed hippie idealists.
The difference is, and a very large difference, millions haven't died because of conservatism unlike communist and socialist movements. Nice try though.:juggle2:

[Lemur]

So you're conceding that you sound exactly like a defensive commie? Excellent.

[Devastatin Dave]

Anybody else notice how hard-core American conservatives are starting to sound like communists? Meaning to say, if you argue with a modern commie, you're going to hear, "Oh no, the theory is great, it just hasn't been done right yet." So Stalin doesn't count, and Mao doesn't count, and the Khmer Rouge don't count, and if people would just do it right, everything would be perfect.

Do you see the analogy? Bush I doesn't count. Bush II doesn't count. Nixon doesn't count. They're not "real" conservatives. The ideology is still pure and perfect, just please ignore the reality and results of an all-conservative government for six years. They don't count. Now if we can just elect some "real" conservatives, everything will get fixed.

What a bunch of starry-eyed hippie idealists.
The difference is, and a very large difference, millions haven't died because of conservatism unlike communist and socialist movements. Nice try though.:juggle2:

[Lemur]

Repetition is the soul of invetion, DD.

Yes, your point is understood. The outcomes of neoconservatism and communism have been very different. My point was that neocons and commies are using much the same rhetoric. The fact that the analogy doesn't extend to places I wasn't going doesn't kill the analogy.

Commie.

[Devastatin Dave]

Repetition is the soul of invetion, DD.

Yes, your point is understood. The outcomes of neoconservatism and communism have been very different. My point was that neocons and commies are using much the same rhetoric. The fact that the analogy doesn't extend to places I wasn't going doesn't kill the analogy.

Commie.
I mastakenly double posted, get off my back. You're acting like a right wing facsist, we can both play this game.:laugh4:

[Lemur]

I'll happily accept the fascist label if you're ready to admit you're an idealistic little hippie.

Oh, I want to have fun with your if-an-anology-is-not-total-it's-invalid line of reasoning.

You can't compare your true love to a summer rose because:

Your true love does not engage in photosynthesis.
A rose has spiny thorns and your true love doesn't.
They are members of different species.
Your true love does not respond to standard gardening practices.

What fun! You've given me a new game to play for the day, DD.

Fascisticly yours,

Lemur

[Idomeneas]

im Greek so i voted that i wanna play anyway.

As for Bush. I believe that he is the human incarnation of stupidity. Certainly the lost link between human and apes. But beside that the poll should not be about the work he is not doing, but about the job they're doing. Yep. I mean the backstage circus. Dont tell me that Junior rules US cause i ll drop laughing.

[Devastatin Dave]

I'm glad I've provided you some entertainment Lemur, I guess it beats flinging poo at passer-bys like most Lemurs at the zoo. :laugh4:

[Crazed Rabbit]

No. Not only 'Hell No', but F*** NO!

The senate bill he says is a good starting point for immigration reform is apalling, in the lastest travesty from this fool.

Oh, and Lemur, the difference is that conservatism has worked.

Crazed Rabbit

[Lemur]

Admit it, CR; you're an idealist hippie. You've got a vision of a golden city in your little rabbit head, and not amount of reality is going to shake it loose. If only we could seize the entire Federal Government and do it right next time ...

Feh. Hippie.

[Hurin_Rules]

The difference is, and a very large difference, millions haven't died because of conservatism unlike communist and socialist movements. Nice try though.:juggle2:

No, its only about 100,000 dead in Iraq so far.

[Ser Clegane]

Admit it, CR; you're an idealist hippie.

Please refrain from continuously trying to bait people into flaming.

Thanks

Ser Clegane

[Devastatin Dave]

Please refrain from continuously trying to bait people into flaming.

Thanks

Ser Clegane
Strange, I can still see Lemur's signature. Where's mine?:juggle2:

[Lemur]

Please refrain from continuously trying to bait people into flaming.

Thanks

Ser Clegane
Awww, daaaaad, I was just having fun ....

[Alexanderofmacedon]

Voted no...
He's squandered one of the greatest opportunities for Conservatives to finally step on the necks of the 60's generation's foolish policies that have destroyed the moral fabric of our great society. Screw-U Bush...:furious3:

:2thumbsup:

[Louis VI the Fat]

I'm eurotrash and I approve of bush.


Bring on them hairy European women!


These are the values that America was built on. We left Europe for a reason. They can keep their tiny cars and hairy women.

[PanzerJaeger]

Hes doing ok... I believe he will be remembered much like Truman has been.

Remember, men like Reagan do not come around all the time. We could hardly have expected that level of greatness.

Conservative anger should be directed toward the congress... :no:

[Goalie]

I am sort of a conservative, i think he is doing a so-so job, but the one thing i hate about him is the oil. It is retarded that he gave 27 billion dollars to oil companies for company welfare. He only gave 1 billion to alternative fuel research. I hope the next president will look at the oil issues.

[Kanamori]

I'm not from America but I want to play anyway!

[KafirChobee]

Hes doing ok... I believe he will be remembered much like Truman has been.
Remember, men like Reagan do not come around all the time. We could hardly have expected that level of greatness.
Conservative anger should be directed toward the congress... :no:

You jest? You do know that congress has been dominated by Republicans for 6 years (12 years in the House)? And, that Bush43 has yet to veto a Bill?

Won't comment on Reagan, except to say that his place in history is the greatest propaganda job ever created. He and his boys got away with treason - and sold it as patriotism.

Bush43, is the most unqualified President in resent history. Truman may not have been qualified, but atleast he had a variety of advisors to base his decisions on. The "Decider" has a choir that sings as he (or Cheney) wishes them to. Believe me, Bush43 will never be remembered as a "Give 'em hell Harry". He will be remembered as the man that created a richmans' welfare state, that bankrupted his nation for the enjoyment and benefit of the privellaged class. :wall:

[Divinus Arma]

Anybody else notice how hard-core American conservatives are starting to sound like communists? Meaning to say, if you argue with a modern commie, you're going to hear, "Oh no, the theory is great, it just hasn't been done right yet." So Stalin doesn't count, and Mao doesn't count, and the Khmer Rouge don't count, and if people would just do it right, everything would be perfect.

Do you see the analogy? Bush I doesn't count. Bush II doesn't count. Nixon doesn't count. They're not "real" conservatives. The ideology is still pure and perfect, just please ignore the reality and results of an all-conservative government for six years. They don't count. Now if we can just elect some "real" conservatives, everything will get fixed.

What a bunch of starry-eyed hippie idealists.

I really wanted to post a reactionary reply along the lines of "what the hell are you talking about, nobody said anything like this".

Instead, I would like you to clairfy how excatly Conservatives are arguing that the theory is correct, but poorly done? Before you respond, allow me to point out one thing:

Bush's policies have been everything but Republican. He has not embraced smaller government, he has expanded domsetic spending, he is in support of a foriegn invasion of poverty, and he has been cow-towing to Democrats. I want to hear what you have to say, but remember that Conservative anger is directed at his lack of conservatism. I think you have mischaracterized the outrage here.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

Nope.

I'm not too impressed with most politicians though....

Ah well, there's still our wonderful representative, soon to be Senator (iirc maybe I mixed them up) Bernie Sanders, who is an awesome politician if ever there was one. Sanders '12!:2thumbsup:

[Ice]

Economic... yes

Foreign Policy... Hell no.

So I just voted gah.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Lemur - I admit it! I'm a conserva-hippie! Except it's less about the peace and drugs and more about the guns and spreading freedom. And GUNS.

:laugh4:

I can't really approve. He's done but two things completely right: Justices Roberts and Alito.

For extra credit he torqued off the left by praying too much.

That's pretty much it. Iraq and Afganistan have been mishandled to be only kinda good, which is outweighed by his other bunglings - squandering our future by overspending and pandering to illegal immigrants.

[rory_20_uk]

How is Iraq or Afghanistan "kinda good"?? Several years later and one is almost as it was and the other is getting worse. That's the "freedom" is it :dizzy2:

Overspending is closely linked to the aforesaid wars.

He's not pandering to illegal immigrants. He's pandering to the Hispanics who can vote.

~:smoking:

[Xiahou]

That's pretty much it. Iraq and Afganistan have been mishandled to be only kinda good, which is outweighed by his other bunglings - squandering our future by overspending and pandering to illegal immigrants.Without a doubt, the administration mishandled much of the postwar efforts in Iraq/Afghanistan. However, (particularly in Iraq) I feel that we're now getting on the right track. My biggest beefs with Bush are domestic. Other than cutting taxes and making 2 good Supreme Court appointments, it's hard to think of anything he's done right on the domestic front.

[yesdachi]

Without a doubt, the administration mishandled much of the postwar efforts in Iraq/Afghanistan. However, (particularly in Iraq) I feel that we're now getting on the right track. My biggest beefs with Bush are domestic. Other than cutting taxes and making 2 good Supreme Court appointments, it's hard to think of anything he's done right on the domestic front.
I agree. I keep hearing good things form people I know coming back from Iraq, it still sucks and has been mishandled but is getting better. Domestically he has had to spend too much time dodging stones to be effective, he really needs to get better at dodging or start throwing some back.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

Economic... yes

Foreign Policy... Hell no.

So I just voted gah.

We're 23 trillion dollars in debt. :inquisitive:

[Viking]

Go Bush. :charge:

[Strike For The South]

I disliked him before and after yesterday speech which was just pandering to big buisness and the latin vote I hate the man. I have an honest hatred for him.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

I disliked him before and after yesterday speech which was just pandering to big buisness and the latin vote I hate the man. I have an honest hatred for him.

Well, we find a political point we can agree on!:laugh4:

His approval rate (according to ABC World News Tonight) is at 33%. This is tied for the worst ever.:embarassed:

[Lemur]

Missed this post earlier in the thread -- and it just goes to show that a silly statement deserves a serious question.

I would like you to clairfy how excatly Conservatives are arguing that the theory is correct, but poorly done? Before you respond, allow me to point out one thing:

Bush's policies have been everything but Republican. He has not embraced smaller government, he has expanded domsetic spending, he is in support of a foriegn invasion of poverty, and he has been cow-towing to Democrats. I want to hear what you have to say, but remember that Conservative anger is directed at his lack of conservatism. I think you have mischaracterized the outrage here.
With the exception of two points, I agree with much that you say here. I feel, however, that you missed the essence of my flip little comment.

Allow me to use a personal example. My wife has never been very political; in fact, she never voted until she married me. She was asking me questions about what various parties stood for. Republicans, I explained, believe in smaller government, personal responsibility, lower taxes and a healthy regard for tradtition and federalism. When my lovely wife digested this, she blurted out, "Then why don't you like them? That sounds perfect?"

"I dislike them because they don't do any of that. Ever."

So you argue that conservative anger is directed at this president and congress because they're not behaving like conservatives. To which I say, go tell your tale of disillusionment to the communist at the vegan bread shop. You've both been duped by a selfish elite of politicos who say one thing and do the opposite.

If you want me to detail all the ways that your administration and your congress have behaved in total opposition to their professed ideals of conservatism, I can do so, but that might get tiresome. I'm content if you understand the analogy I was drawing -- not agree, necessarily, but at least see my reasoning.

[Divinus Arma]

Lemur,
I see where you are coming from, and I certainly see the parallel in disillusionment. I thought you meant that we were similar to liberals because of the "its failed everywhere its been tried" commentary. Even China, the greatest success of communism, has begun ridding itself of communism's economic theory.

The difference is that communism doesn't work. Capitalism and economic freedom clearly do work.

It is just a matter of political inclination to decide just how much economic freedom should be restriced in order to eliminate the so-called evils of economic disparity. And that is decided by the will of the people in democracy and by the autocrat elites in communism. Do I make sense?


As for this:

"I dislike them because they don't do any of that. Ever."
You sound just like my cousin, a trial lawyer in Los Angeles. I would argue that recently many "don't do that", and it is one of the reasons people used to see little difference between Republicans and Democrats and become disillusioned with politics. (Which is kinda funny, 'cause now everyone complains that we are too polarized, caused by our differences.)

I am a Republican because I believe in those values. And I feel we have an obligation to stay active and control our party from the base. Just because the car is headed the wrong direction doesn't mean it can't be steered back onto the road. One only needs to look at Bush's poll numbers to see Republican sentiment there. We must stay active. I send emails to congressmen, senators, and state legislatures on a regular basis. In fact, I just recieved a return call yesterday from a local candidate for state assembly. I'll be speaking with her and her opponent later today. This active involvement by the people is what our country requires. The people are far too apathetic.

[Redleg]

This active involvement by the people is what our country requires. The people are far too apathetic.


The active involvement is what some of the founding fathers invisioned, and what others were scared of.

I think they would be shaking their heads if they knew how apathetic the people have come toward the way they are governed.

There is an old saying - you always get what you deserve.....