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SwordsMaster
05-20-2006, 17:18
linky (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-2188320,00.html)
I think you have probably seen this, but it is still impressive. A gang war that leaves over 100 dead in a week!
What do you think of that? What should the government be doing? Is it out of control? Should external powers intervene?
Watch the movie 'City of God', a human life means absolutily nothing there. Interesting about the movie is the cast, they are all from these very parts of town, the director wanted 'natural'. It is a mess there.
SwordsMaster
05-20-2006, 18:23
Watch the movie 'City of God', a human life means absolutily nothing there. Interesting about the movie is the cast, they are all from these very parts of town, the director wanted 'natural'. It is a mess there.
Seen it. Impressive. But still...
Crazed Rabbit
05-20-2006, 19:59
What?! How can this be possible?! Gangs with rifles and grenades?! I refuse to believe it!
After all, look at Brazil, they have some very strict gun control laws. Thus, it is simply not possible for criminals to get guns if guns are outlawed! If they could, what would be the point of gun control laws?
CR
Ser Clegane
05-20-2006, 20:00
Let's not turn this into yet another gun control thread, OK?
Thanks
:bow:
doc_bean
05-20-2006, 20:01
What?! How can this be possible?! Gangs with rifles and grenades?! I refuse to believe it!
After all, look at Brazil, they have some very strict gun control laws. Thus, it is simply not possible for criminals to get guns if guns are outlawed! If they could, what would be the point of gun control laws?
CR
Right, because this thread was about gun control....
EDIT Ser beat me to it
Avicenna
05-20-2006, 21:02
Mafiosi gangs in Sicily claim many lives, but I guess probably not that quickly and openly.
Crazed Rabbit
05-20-2006, 21:38
Sorry. I do not want to drag this into another gun control thread.
It sprang into my head after reading that police officers were forbidden to buy more ammunition.
Anyways, back on topic-I'm surprised they haven't sent the military in to the city. It sounds like near anarchy.
Crazed Rabbit
Byzantine Prince
05-20-2006, 21:53
Yeah it's a really messed up situation, you have millions of people from the country living in illigal homes with little to no police monitoring, most of the youths in drug-traficking gangs. The crime rate inside the slums is surprisingly low, disregarding the drug trade, because if the police get called into the neighobourhoods it costs the gangs dearly. So a lot of people there leave their homes unlocked ironically enough.
After all, look at Brazil, they have some very strict gun control laws. Thus, it is simply not possible for criminals to get guns if guns are outlawed!
Guns are not outlawed in Brazil. They have about 17,000,000 registered firearms. It's illigal to carry them outside of the home but whateva.
/edited for content. no ad hominem.
Soulforged
05-21-2006, 01:46
Anyways, back on topic-I'm surprised they haven't sent the military in to the city. It sounds like near anarchy.I'm not a military expert, but both parties prefer to use guerrilla tactics, thus it will be not a good option to send the military. Besides sending people trained to kill into a heated terrain with many innocents in it will be a very bad choice IMO.
BHCWarman88
05-21-2006, 02:23
a Country that NEar Anchry,and proably be running with Tens of Gangs soon,SOund like a good place to go,anyone like to go there next weekend?? :-( :/
Soulforged
05-21-2006, 02:32
a Country that NEar Anchry,and proably be running with Tens of Gangs soon,SOund like a good place to go,anyone like to go there next weekend?? :-( :/
Note for the rest of the thread, and those who didn't know or didn't read the article: This whole thing is happening in the capital of Sao Paolo, not all Brazil. You can be safe turists in the rest of the place.
BHCWarman88
05-21-2006, 04:24
That's good.... Well,Who wants to go to Sao Paolo with me then?? lol
it Just,why Be in a Gang??the Mitaiarty should Enter and try to calm it down..
Last paragraph is good
"It is the only way to deal with them," says Ednar Souza, a taxi-driver working the unusually quiet streets of downtown on Thursday night. "They don’t care about the courts or prison, which they run. The only way to deal with them is to shoot them."
See if they arrest them, they go free or maybe just a slap on the wrists while they knew who arrested them and then either beat the officer if he/she is lucky. So they take the law into thier own hands..
So controlling the courts may not be for the best of thier future.
Alexanderofmacedon
05-21-2006, 06:43
The question is: Is this a gang war? Or just a war?
Devastatin Dave
05-21-2006, 08:03
As long as they don't pop a cap in any of those Brazillian honeys, I'm kool wit de mutual beatdown... POP!!! POP!!! POP!!! beeeeyatches!!!
Avicenna
05-21-2006, 08:38
The question is: Is this a gang war? Or just a war?
Probably. If it was some kind of revolution I'd guess it would happen in Brasilia, the capital. The police are fighting the gangs, so you could call it a gang war I guess.
Interesting how they're targeting the relatives of the gang members. The mafiosi leader Riina was pretty accused of being bloodthirsty for doing that, and was a fearsome figure even in the Sicilian Mafia. The police doing that is quite pathetic, to be honest. Killing the family members? They've done nothing wrong. It's just the police sinking to the level of thugs.
The question is: Is this a gang war? Or just a war?
Actually the gang behind it, the PCC, is purportedly strongly left wing. Viva la revolution! :charge:
Kralizec
05-22-2006, 00:17
As long as they don't pop a cap in any of those Brazillian honeys, I'm kool wit de mutual beatdown... POP!!! POP!!! POP!!! beeeeyatches!!!
You're content with police officers dieing?
Seamus Fermanagh
05-22-2006, 00:31
Oh come now, that was very obviously DD in sarcasm mode.
Beirut:
This thread title (albeit not the subject) BEGS for a link to some of the better Brazilian photos in the Babes thread. Any chance you could set us up?
AntiochusIII
05-22-2006, 10:24
Note for the rest of the thread, and those who didn't know or didn't read the article: This whole thing is happening in the capital of Sao Paolo, not all Brazil. You can be safe turists in the rest of the place.Erm, Sao Paolo is not the capital of Brazil, last I heard. I assume the word you're looking for is "Metropolis" or simply "city," which will indicate a particularly urban area with a particularly high concentration and therefore a lot more slums and "bad neighborhood" than usual.
And yes, Sao Paolo was messed up. But hey.
Erm, Sao Paolo is not the capital of Brazil, last I heard. I assume the word you're looking for is "Metropolis" or simply "city," which will indicate a particularly urban area with a particularly high concentration and therefore a lot more slums and "bad neighborhood" than usual. Actually, Sao Paolo the city is the capital of the State of Sao Paolo. ~;)
Tribesman
05-22-2006, 19:57
It sprang into my head after reading that police officers were forbidden to buy more ammunition.
Does any context spring into the head over that ?
Like for example police officers being forbidden to have unauthorised weapons and ammunition because of a slight problem with certain officers operating as vigilante death squads ?
Thats amazing isn't it , making sure that officers only have what they are given and making sure they can account for every round they fire , it works wonders if you want to lower the amount of extrajudicial murders being carried out by so called Guardians of the peace .
Crazed Rabbit
05-23-2006, 02:34
You have no idea of what you're talking about, do you?:laugh4:
But keep on with your dillusional ramblings. They're so cute. :laugh4:
Crazed Rabbit
Divinus Arma
05-23-2006, 03:00
I'm not a military expert, but both parties prefer to use guerrilla tactics, thus it will be not a good option to send the military. Besides sending people trained to kill into a heated terrain with many innocents in it will be a very bad choice IMO.
Weren't you near Brazil? Do you have family near there? Believe or not, when I heard about this, you were the first person I thought of!
Funny how violence can do that to ya. As much as we all whack at each other via politics, I really would hate to hear of a tragedy to an org member.... :no:
Tribesman
05-23-2006, 06:50
You have no idea of what you're talking about, do you?
Well enlighten me as to any other restrictions that have been placed upon the Brazillian police regarding ammunition Rabbit .
Oh right , there is none:idea2:
So it appears that you are correct , I have absolutely no idea about some imaginary legislation that sprang into your head:2thumbsup:
Crazed Rabbit
05-24-2006, 00:33
Well enlighten me as to any other restrictions that have been placed upon the Brazillian police regarding ammunition Rabbit .
Not restriction just upon the police, but restrictions on anybody buying more than a certain (low) amount of ammunition each year.
Oh right , there is none
So it appears that you are correct , I have absolutely no idea about some imaginary legislation that sprang into your head
Would you like a rope to pull yourself out of that hole you've dug yourself into?:laugh4:
In conclusion, my initial statement was correct.:2thumbsup:
Crazed Rabbit
solypsist
05-24-2006, 01:21
hmmm...maybe i'll plan a little trip to brazil, strictly to check it out for my own curiosity...
/adrenaline junkie
Tribesman
05-24-2006, 02:52
Would you like a rope to pull yourself out of that hole you've dug yourself into?
Lets see It sprang into my head after reading that police officers were forbidden to buy more ammunition.
Compare to.....Not restriction just upon the police, but restrictions on anybody buying more than a certain (low) amount of ammunition each year.
Oh I see , so not the stronger enforcement of an existing regulation regarding police and their possible use of non issue ammunition due to events in Brasil , but a law regarding the purchase of ammuntion by any citizen with a firearms licence ....hmmmmm...interesting , so please enlighten me ( I know you can , gun -nut weekly must have covered it) what was the outcome of of the referendum on the proposed law amending the bills controling and licencing firearms and their possesion in Brasil ?
It wouldn't have been rejected by any chance would it ?
It can't have been surely as only the US allows its citizens to have firearms doesn't it .
Forget the rope Rabbit , you need a full mining rescue crew to get you out of that hole , but its OK your take on foriegn firearms legislation is really cute , keep 'em coming.
Perhaps foryour next take you can try the draconin firearms laws of Bhutan , it should be easy enough , it has thousands less firearms laws than the US , it should be fairly easy for you to grasp .
Vladimir
05-24-2006, 13:08
hmmm...maybe i'll plan a little trip to brazil, strictly to check it out for my own curiosity...
/adrenaline junkie
Great. He goes to one itsy bitsy war zone and now he's Rambo with a camera. ~;)
Soulforged
05-25-2006, 03:25
Erm, Sao Paolo is not the capit
al of Brazil, last I heard. I assume the word you're looking for is "Metropolis" or simply "city," which will indicate a particularly urban area with a particularly high concentration and therefore a lot more slums and "bad neighborhood" than usual.
:laugh4: Dariush explained it. However Sao Paolo is the economic capital of Brazil.:2thumbsup:
Weren't you near Brazil? Do you have family near there? Believe or not, when I heard about this, you were the first person I thought of!Not to worry. As my location says, it's "Bueno Aires", it still is the same and I doubt it changes in the near future.~;) My relatives live in Florianopolis, the capital of Santa Catarina at the south of Brazil, I don't have any relatives near Sao Paolo at this time. But thanks for your concern DA.
AntiochusIII
05-26-2006, 10:16
Actually, Sao Paolo the city is the capital of the State of Sao Paolo. ~;)me = pwned
By Dâriûsh :P
Dariush explained it. However Sao Paolo is the economic capital of Brazil.That I do not doubt. Isn't Brazillia (how do you spell that :dizzy2: ) like, in the middle of the country?
By the way, how is Buenos Aires like?
Tribesman
05-26-2006, 21:37
Oh dear , bit of a problem now , the authorities are now revising their figures and launching an investigation , it would appear that the 109 "suspects" killed with perhaps a few accidental innocents killed by mistake is being seriously revised , revised by nearly 50% .
Luckily the police will be able to account for all the shots fired eh .
Soulforged
05-27-2006, 00:45
That I do not doubt. Isn't Brazillia (how do you spell that :dizzy2: ) like, in the middle of the country?If english speakers spell Brasil with a "z" then Brasilia must be "Brazilia".
By the way, how is Buenos Aires like?What do you mean? Political situation? Social sitaution? Legal situation? Economical situation? How do I live here? The short answer for the first four is declining without turning into Sao Paolo. Buenos Aires is the classical south american city that born from the flames independency and civil wars, uprisings and human "slaughterhouses", important trade routs and powerful economy, wanted to imitate the life style of the last part of XIX century Europe and the first part of the XX century, and turned into a heated boiler of social conflicts and corrupt politicians, you can imagine it as a retarded version of Paris (even if I never went to Paris) in the center and the surroundings of the center in the federal capital and as you leave the center you can see more towns, ancient houses and ghettos alienated from democracy in every sense except vote. The last one is fine, thank you.:2thumbsup: Sorry, too out of topic.
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