False Statements about EB

[Roderick Ponce Von Fontlebottom]

Quote: Combat in Barbarorum is very similar to how it is in the vanilla version of Rome Total War, and as such is much faster paced than the battles in Total Realism. Depending on how you like to play the game and at what sort of speed, this could be a deal breaker in terms of which mod you prefer, as the character of fights is completely different between the two mods.
With Europa Barbarorum still very much a work in progress, as can be seen from the lack of descriptions to some units and factions, it is clear that there is still some way to go before it is as highly refined as Total Realism.
http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/2006/05/18/top_mods/4.html

[Wardo]

This is one of those reviewers who played all the way to year 50BC, with at least 3 factions (Rome/Carthage, a Celt one and a Hellenistic one), right? Right?

Nevermind.

[Roderick Ponce Von Fontlebottom]

whaa????:dizzy2:

[Cheexsta]

I'm not sure what you're complaining about. He stated that EB isn't as complete as RTR, and I agree. It is far more detailed than the latter, yes, and that's why I still like EB, but in my opinion, RTR is more complete.

So all he's saying is that EB still has a ways to go before it reaches its full potential. RTR has already reached the full potential that 6.x allows.

Personally, I'm getting quite sick of the friction between the fans of both mods. As soon as someone mentions something that vaguely favours RTR, he's said to be on RTR's payroll. By all means, disagree with the guy's statement; just don't use it as another excuse to slag off another mod.

Sigh...

[Teleklos Archelaou]

There's no reason to disparage RTR over this Roddy. I've got no mod powers, but could you drop the 'rtr payroll' quip? We appreciate you posting the link here though, as I don't think anyone knew about it.

Though I'm not thrilled about that writeup, any press is good press around here I suppose.

[Simmons]

You have to admit they guy/gal doesn't sound that informed now I have never played the two mods back to back but I sure as hell wouldnt call EB's combat vanilla like.

[Cheexsta]

I'd agree with Descent, it's certainly not always like Vanilla. It depends on your general; with an average general, your battles will be at a level higher than vanilla. With a bad general, the battle will be over pretty quickly, like vanilla. Unfortunately, the AI doesn't seem to give all of their armies generals, which may be what this guy is basing his opinion off. But I haven't read the whole article so I don't know...

[paullus]

Indeed its certainly not always like Vanilla. In fact, its usually gonna be always certainly not like Vanilla. It was a very biased write-up, and the sort of thing that surely doesnt help the perceived relations between the two mods. Can't we all just have our multiple installs and deal with it?

[O'ETAIPOS]

Fighting in RTR is in fact much slower than in EB. I remember when I was playing 6.2 version having a clash between one unit of mak pikemen and one of some greek hoplites that took about 20 minutes with minimal casualties. Well... I like realism, but i dont have whole day to fight single battle.

[stalin]

No it isn't in the gold version, the troops rout a lot quicker I play it regularly to remind myself how lucky I am to have EB. But we've had this thread before hence why don't we show uselves to be we bigger men than the other fanboys and close this?

[Obelics]

i havent read the article and i wont cause ive no time, so i will base on the topic comments:
what i can say is that i played RTR for a long time, i used also many minimods for it. Now im playing EB from abaut some month, and i must say the battle time is very long, it is harder, much harder than RTR, and it has what i like i.e. accuracy and particularism. so i dont care on thinks regarding who is the best or who have the more slowy battles. EB have the description i like (also if some are absent again cause is beta), have the best traits, dirty skins i like (no colorfull and carnival), general gain command stars very slow and i like this, some of the units have the best faces ever (the zadhra pahlavanshave the most expressive faces i found in a game...), it have no that bad skating effect (some RTR players know of what im talking abaut). It have some strange name for the units that you hate at starts, but then you become to learn and love...

what other i can say, this is a love declaration so i think i will call my daughter Europa Barbarorum...:idea2:

anyway what i want to say is:
RTR is good if you like Arcade stile mod
EB is good if you like RPG and deep

i have both, when i want some good arcade game i load my RTR and when i have time to deep myself in a contest i load EB. So the EB vs RTR polemic is so stupid, just have both and live happy.

i can understand younger people can be attract more by RTR, but the more you can make the thinks complex and deep the more i like them.
As omorphos sayd (in the RTR forum, or should i say demetrios?) EB is not for all.

quoting PsicoV:
just my 2 bobs (i dont know what does it means anyway...:coffeenews:)

[edyzmedieval]

I refrain myself from commenting. :shame:

[Ryman2489]

Wow, false statements about EB, unbelievable. Should I redirect you all to the bashing posts made on RTR's forums?

Why can't the fanboys (of both sides) just grow up, open their eyes, and realize that the development teams of each mod are not tossing harsh words back and forth?

[edyzmedieval]

Wow, false statements about EB, unbelievable. Should I redirect you all to the bashing posts made on RTR's forums?

Why can't the fanboys (of both sides) just grow up, open their eyes, and realize that the development teams of each mod are not tossing harsh words back and forth?

Why should you redirect me? I already know about it. Sheesh. Grow up.

About the fanboys stuff, the TEAMS are NOT tossing harsh words. Because it's bad image if they do that. Rivalry exists, but it's not shown. And if you're wise enough, you'll know what I'm talking about. :shame:

[Ryman2489]

Why should you redirect me? I already know about it. Sheesh. Grow up.
Because you're one of the sources? :no:


About the fanboys stuff, the TEAMS are NOT tossing harsh words. Because it's bad image if they do that. Rivalry exists, but it's not shown. And if you're wise enough, you'll know what I'm talking about. :shame:
The teams are ACTUALLY SHARING INFORMATION! The only rivalry existing is between the fans, and it is pointless.

[Cronos Impera]

Can someone close and delete this senseless topic. It is nothing but flame trying to incinerate the good relations between EB and RTR.
And Roderick,please stop being a troll. For the sake of common sense.

RICHARD, WHERE ARE YOU????

[Ryman2489]

Can someone close and delete this senseless topic. It is nothing but flame trying to incinerate the good relations between EB and RTR.
And Roderick,please stop being a troll. For the sake of common sense.

RICHARD, WHERE ARE YOU????
Agree, it's better to stop these things before they start.

[Ludens]

Can someone close this senseless topic. It is nothing but flame trying to incinerate the good relations between EB and RTR.
Request seconded.

Nothing good will come out of this or similar threads. Please stop trying to look for rivalries. It won't do any good.

[Cronos Impera]

Ludens, how did you get that cool avatar. It's.....:dizzy2: :dizzy2: :dizzy2: :2thumbsup:

[edyzmedieval]

Ludens is an official moderator now.

I've stopped flaming. Banning on the RTR forums is one thing, getting warned here is a totally different thing. :shame:

Of course, I still keep my views.

[Geoffrey S]

This is getting tiring. Waste someone else's time, please. Worst thing is, people bitching about other mods seem like a majority (on both sides), which they certainly are not. Doesn't give a great impression of the community; perhaps some strictly enforced rules are necessary?

On the article, it's fair points; EB is rough around the edges and battles aren't quite balanced, and RTR does provide a smoother and currently more complete experience. It would be nice if the article mentioned the beta status more explicitely, but you can't have it all.

[Obelics]

sorry Geoffry G, but you look so hypocrite...
you say:

"This is getting tiring. Waste someone else's time, please. Worst thing is, people bitching about other mods seem like a majority (on both sides), which they certainly are not. Doesn't give a great impression of the community; perhaps some strictly enforced rules are necessary?"

this word sounds so pacific and full of maturity and fair play...

and than you say:

"RTR does provide a smoother and currently more complete experience"

so you take position at the end, that's a contraddicion to your previous sentence...
if you are getting tired of this and want to assume a mature and balanced position in the polemic, you should abstain to say your "definitive" and not explaiined opinion on the polemic. What does it means "it is a more complete and smother experience"? it could be in your way to play but not in other people way...

in my way for example RTR is a faster and more arcade way to play RTW, but i dont see this "more complete experience" whatever i look....:coffeenews:

[Salazar]

Actually in regards of completeness, i have to pretty much agree, there's a reason we still call this an open Beta.
Though it also depends on how you understand "completeness", compared to the planned goals of the mod, rtr is probably more complete (dont know that much about it though), if it's just the overall amount of features, units, graphics, whatever included then i think we really dont have to hide compared to any other mods.

[edyzmedieval]

This is getting tiring. Waste someone else's time, please.

Who are you talking to?

[Ragabash]

Quote: Combat in Barbarorum is very similar to how it is in the vanilla version of Rome Total War, and as such is much faster paced than the battles in Total Realism. Depending on how you like to play the game and at what sort of speed, this could be a deal breaker in terms of which mod you prefer, as the character of fights is completely different between the two mods.
With Europa Barbarorum still very much a work in progress, as can be seen from the lack of descriptions to some units and factions, it is clear that there is still some way to go before it is as highly refined as Total Realism.
http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/2006/05/18/top_mods/4.html
IS this a joke, lol this guy must be on Rome total realism's payroll.

Remember that everyone have right for their opinions. I dont agree with him, that doesnt make him less right than me.

[Geoffrey S]

sorry Geoffry G, but you look so hypocrite...
you say:

"This is getting tiring. Waste someone else's time, please. Worst thing is, people bitching about other mods seem like a majority (on both sides), which they certainly are not. Doesn't give a great impression of the community; perhaps some strictly enforced rules are necessary?"

this word sounds so pacific and full of maturity and fair play...

and than you say:

"RTR does provide a smoother and currently more complete experience"

so you take position at the end, that's a contraddicion to your previous sentence...
if you are getting tired of this and want to assume a mature and balanced position in the polemic, you should abstain to say your "definitive" and not explaiined opinion on the polemic. What does it means "it is a more complete and smother experience"? it could be in your way to play but not in other people way...

in my way for example RTR is a faster and more arcade way to play RTW, but i dont see this "more complete experience" whatever i look....:coffeenews:
Thanks for twisting my words rather thoroughly. Try reading my post reasonably.

The EB team has never denied, and has made a point of it in fact, that the current version is incomplete and in beta stage. Missing units, incomplete factions, and the occasional CTD show the rough edges. If you want the complete package with a minimum of unfinished things, which I'd imagine a lot of casual players do do, RTR may be a better choice since currently it is a more polished mod; personally, I enjoy EB more and look forward to future releases. I hope you can see that taking a postition is a far cry from either bashing RTR or praising EB into the heavens, which is what I tire of and find entirely unnecessary; both mods have good points, and less good points. Bringing conspiracy theories or agressive rhetoric into things doesn't help matters and creates a rather immature image of the community.

It isn't hard to be critical about either mod without becoming rude or rather hysterical, which is what a number of posts do turn out to be. By no means the majority, but they don't have to be to spoil the mood as has been shown by this topic.

Who are you talking to?
Roderick Ponce Von Fontlebottom, in this case.

[Obelics]

ok i will read more resonabily the next time, but you sayd "a more complete experience", this is far different than "a finished mod"
Also a minimod that add a new spartan unit to vanilla RTW is a "finished mod", but it is not a more complete experience than EB.
So as you can see i read it enough reasonanbily i guess.

Anyway abaut the polemic i call me out, cause as i sayd i have both mods (but as i sayd i like far better EB and this is due to my tastes in graphic and accuracy, but i can understand who like better others mod) and im also active in the RTR forum, so i respect them.

cheers

[Obelics]

EDIT: sorry just doubled the post