George W. Bush is Abraham Lincoln

[Hurin_Rules]

It's all very clear to me know, thanks FoxNews!:



Friday, May 26, 2006
By Neil Cavuto
PHOTOS VIDEO

Newspapers and magazines characterized him a buffoon. Said he couldn't handle a war, let alone choose men to lead that war.

His own generals second-guessed him. One even ignored him. His economy was in shambles. And his electorate was enraged.

Folks were sharply divided. How did we get into this war? Just how badly are we handling this war?

There was a point when he looked like a doomed one-termer, and despite being re-elected, looked like he'd be, at best, a problem-plagued second-termer.

Foreign nations didn't know what to make of him. His own party often seemed to have its fill him.

His speeches were ignored at the time. His rambling, private musings the stuff of press fodder at the time. He was a dolt, a charlatan, a country bumpkin, ridiculed for telling stories on the stump, but leaving reporters, well, just stumped.

A different world then. Abraham Lincoln then.

Different view now. Abraham Lincoln now.

I'm not smart enough to suggest a present day president can hope for the same historical turnaround.

I am smart enough to say the headlines, and cartoons, of the moment, can look kind of silly themselves.

Funny thing, history.

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Well, I guess Cavuto does have one thing right: he's 'not smart enough'.

[Silver Rusher]

I'm sorry, I don't understand. What connection does he have with Abraham Lincoln?

[Hurin_Rules]

I'm sorry, I don't understand. What connection does he have with Abraham Lincoln?

They're both male. They both have heads and eyes. I think they both wore black pants once. Lots of things, can't you see?

[KukriKhan]

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When he does the hat, whiskers, and long coat... and writes his own speeches on the back of envelopes - then we'll talk.

[The_Doctor]

I'm sorry, I don't understand. What connection does he have with Abraham Lincoln?

They both dropped their dog out of a helicopter?

[Mithras]

They're both male. They both have heads and eyes. I think they both wore black pants once. Lots of things, can't you see?


They're both Republicans? They're supported by the North and celebrated for their defence of minorities who are treated like dirt despite the conventional veiws of the time veiws. Lincoln with blacks Bush with gays.

enough sarcasm they've got very little in common. fox,Stop kissing his ass guys

[edyzmedieval]

They both dropped their dog out of a helicopter?

:laugh4:

Good one. Still, what's so similar about them? :inquisitive:

[Strike For The South]

I hate Lincoln to.

[Ronin]

anyone care to shoot his ass and make them even more similar?

[Divinus Arma]

This is Cavuto commentary, and it was never reported as "news". He's just pointing out a couple of interesting coincidences. Stop your Fox bashing, liberal. We all know Bush is a moron, and we all dislike him for different reasons. I dislike him because he's too liberal. He expands the federal government and ignores State Authority (marriage amendment and no child left behind). This jackball acts as if the enumerated powers were never written. Plus, he's in support of a foeriegn invasion of American soil.

Send him back to his ranch where he can hold hands with the oil barons.

I hope squatters invade his property and camp out in his precious private forest.


anyone care to shoot his ass and make them even more similar?
I'm technically not allowed to laugh at this. Seriously though, we just need him out of office, not dead. Jeeze.

[Major Robert Dump]

The similarities are interesting, but you have to understand that his life was far from under the day-to-day scruntiny that mass media allow us to put on our politicians today. The country was also largely illiterate. I've found that, so far in my life, the general public perspective of the recent presidents is the same as when they left office, peppered by a few stand-out events for better or worse. The opinions of the left, middle and right haven't seemed to change much on Carter, Reagan, Herbert, and Clinton.

Interestingly enough, it seems JFK is the one who seems to me to have his legacy questioned the most and ever-changing. Incidentally, he was the first president to establish the relationship between the white house and the press that exists today (although Nixon tried to reverse all of that), so its safe to say he was the first president to truly come under scrutiny from the nations eye in the shallow world of television.

[GoreBag]

I'm technically not allowed to laugh at this. Seriously though, we just need him out of office, not dead. Jeeze.

Shooting him in the ass wouldn't kill him, unless the rumours are true.

[KukriKhan]

Joking intentions are understood... but let's put the ka-bosh on the shooting talk, please.

[Hurin_Rules]

Stop your Fox bashing, liberal.

Sorry, but an extended comparison of Bush to Abraham Lincoln invites--no, demands--abuse.

[Tribesman]

:laugh4: Send him back to his ranch where he can hold hands with the oil barons.

Divinus , you dare to imply that shrub is in someway involved with the petro-chemical bigwigs????????
You traitor:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Why do you hate profits ?

[Divinus Arma]

Why do you hate profits ?

Good one. :2thumbsup:



Bush resembles my balls faaaaar more than he resembles Lincoln. Observe:

The word "Bush" is important to both the President of the United States and my nuts.
Both the President and my nuts have an important working relationship with "Dick".
My testicles and the President both think in very primitive and simple terms.
The President and my balls both cringe at the thought of gay butt sex.
Just like my nuts, the President is "The decider".
The President and my balls have both made mistakes that they are reluctant to admit.
My balls and the President both like to act now and think later.
My testicles and the President both like to "Bring it on".
The President is an early riser and wakes up excited. Just like my nuts.
Some have compared the similarity of the president to a "monkey". My balls assist me with a certain "monkey".

[Seamus Fermanagh]

There are moments, Div, when you rise above yourself to a level that exceeds our expectations and deserves -- no, demands -- quiet reflection and a zen-like sensation of being perfectly "in the moment."

[Louis VI the Fat]

~D :laugh4: :laugh4:


Brilliant, DA. :bow:

[Hurin_Rules]

LOL

Well done.

[Papewaio]

The difference DA is Dick in Bush for you would be hetrosexual sex... for Bush it wouldn't be.

[Reverend Joe]

Good one. :2thumbsup:



Bush resembles my balls faaaaar more than he resembles Lincoln. Observe:

The word "Bush" is important to both the President of the United States and my nuts.
Both the President and my nuts have an important working relationship with "Dick".
My testicles and the President both think in very primitive and simple terms.
The President and my balls both cringe at the thought of gay butt sex.
Just like my nuts, the President is "The decider".
The President and my balls have both made mistakes that they are reluctant to admit.
My balls and the President both like to act now and think later.
My testicles and the President both like to "Bring it on".
The President is an early riser and wakes up excited. Just like my nuts.
Some have compared the similarity of the president to a "monkey". My balls assist me with a certain "monkey".


~:eek: Stop it... you're scaring my testes. :hide:

[Abokasee]

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When he does the hat, whiskers, and long coat... and writes his own speeches on the back of envelopes - then we'll talk.

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there you go now we can get back to subject!

[Goofball]

This is Cavuto commentary, and it was never reported as "news". He's just pointing out a couple of interesting coincidences. Stop your Fox bashing, liberal. We all know Bush is a moron, and we all dislike him for different reasons. I dislike him because he's too liberal. He expands the federal government and ignores State Authority (marriage amendment and no child left behind).

Priceless.

For six years, we liberals have been telling you conservatives what an idiot Bush is while you have by and large defended him as a great American President and Defender of the Faith. Now, when you finally realize we were right all along, you jump off his bandwagon so hard you break your ankles, and say you don't like him because he's a "liberal."

Doubleplusgood reasoning there.

:laugh4:

[KafirChobee]

anyone care to shoot his ass and make them even more similar?
Sorry, but it was my patriotic duty to forward this to the NSA and FBI - you will now be charged with threatening the life of the Prez, according to the new improved justice department (s).

Seriously, in the 8th grade (1961) I wrote a piece accusing Lincoln of creating the situation for the Civil War (wtf does one know at 13?). My History teacher accused me of being a "revisionist" (which I had no clue about wtf she was talking about - after all when 13 most thoughts are "original"). Today, if I accused Bush of creating lies to allow the invasion of Iraq, I would again be accuse by some of being a revisionist. Only this time, I would be right.:balloon2:

[rotorgun]

While some may say that Mr. Bush and President Lincoln can be compared is true. President Lincoln presided over an unpopular war, so does Mr. Bush. President lincoln was often referred to as an ape or a baboon by his political critics, so too has Mr. Bush been derided as a talking chimpanzee. They share the same political affiliations, and both have been called "religious". Mainly their similarities are situational at best. Read just a few of President Lincolns letters, or only a few lines of the Gettysburg Address and one can see the profound differences immediately. President Lincoln was known for his "folksy" humor, but if one reads some of his little public jests, one sees the clarity of his wit, and his great sense of humor. To listen to a George W. Bush joke is akin to witnessing the act of a child annoncing that he has soiled his pants in the presence of the family guests. As someone in the Org. has quoted "George W. is like a mail clerk who has been promoted to CEO, but really belongs in the mail room." (Anonymous) I have always thought of him as the talking dummy in Dick Cheney's version of the Howdy Doody Show. Whenever that hand comes out, look out! They never know what he'll say next!

:stupido:

PS: Feel free to report me to the republican Gestapo at any time. It would probably be their greatest challenge.

[PanzerJaeger]

His economy was in shambles.

In that respect, George W Bush has Lincoln beat - to the degree that any president can take credit for the economy.

George W will be remembered in a much more positive light as history unfolds.

[Redleg]

PS: Feel free to report me to the republican Gestapo at any time. It would probably be their greatest challenge.

Since there is no Gestapo in the United States nor does a political party directly control the police forces of this nation you are relativily safe...

To much thinking about conspricary theories will rot your brain....:oops:

[Hurin_Rules]

George W will be remembered in a much more positive light as history unfolds.

Well, that's easy to say, because you can never be called on it. But I am struggling to think of anything for which he will be fondly remembered. Massive budget deficits? Expanding the size of the government? Initiating constitutional crisis? Undermining human rights? Dividing the nation? Starting elective wars?

What's going to make us forget about all that?

[Major Robert Dump]

My personal favorite praise of Bush (trumped a lot during the second election) was always how he showed such poise, dignity and decision-making in the immediate aftermathg of 9/11. In other words, doing the job that would be expected of the official holding the highest office in the United States. HAHA people acted as if any other person if office would have crawled under the desk in the Oval Office and cried on television.

Come one, people, even Nader would have invaded Afghanistan.

There have been good things and bad about his time in office, but the dumbed down electorate tends to remember the worst not the best, and over generalize at that. As one of my ignorant little colleagues at work once said (insert hot chic voice here) "well Bill Clinton never did anything."

Oh come on. 8 years and never did ANYTHING????

I also think (this would make a good study) that people passing through the blissful ignorance of youth and becoming decision-making adults has a huge impact on opinions as well. Not only do their parents and teachers and media icons figure greatly into their "opinions" (repeating what Dad said isnt really an opinion), but there is typically an information history gap that negelcts recent events. Don't expect a 21 year old to remember a lot about Bill clinton being in office and world events of that time, outside of what they overheard from grown ups, and expect them to not necessarily trust the "history" they learned from grown-ups once they grow up and realize they have been lied to all their lives with cake and ice cream stories in history class. After listening to a good friend who is 35 rant and rave about the ignorance of his 18 year old nephew surrounding the events of the first gulf war, I couldn't help but say "dude, he was a toddler."

[R'as al Ghul]

I'm sorry, I don't understand. What connection does he have with Abraham Lincoln?

Well, they are the same person.
Think about it, have you ever seen them together on one photograph? :grin:

[Major Robert Dump]

I have one grandma who had family die in Andersonville who hates Bush and hates the south and loves Lincoln and is a Democrat

And one grandma from Georgia who hates Lincoln and REALLY hates Sherman and loves Bush and wont eat at McDonalds because black people touch her food and is a Democrat

Makes for interesting Thanksgivings

[rotorgun]

Since there is no Gestapo in the United States nor does a political party directly control the police forces of this nation you are relativily safe...

To much thinking about conspricary theories will rot your brain....:oops:

LOL :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: Indeed, I admit it was a bit of an exaggeration, but I couldn't help taking a poke at my conservative freinds. It was all in fun. I do not spend all my time thinking about conspiracy theories ethier. LOL :laugh4: As always, I appreciate your "cannon cocker" humor Red.
It's another reason I joined Aviation.

[Hurin_Rules]

I also think (this would make a good study) that people passing through the blissful ignorance of youth and becoming decision-making adults has a huge impact on opinions as well. Not only do their parents and teachers and media icons figure greatly into their "opinions" (repeating what Dad said isnt really an opinion), but there is typically an information history gap that negelcts recent events. Don't expect a 21 year old to remember a lot about Bill clinton being in office and world events of that time, outside of what they overheard from grown ups, and expect them to not necessarily trust the "history" they learned from grown-ups once they grow up and realize they have been lied to all their lives with cake and ice cream stories in history class. After listening to a good friend who is 35 rant and rave about the ignorance of his 18 year old nephew surrounding the events of the first gulf war, I couldn't help but say "dude, he was a toddler."

Totally agree with you there. My dad is super hard-core right wing, and I grew up thinking Reagan was fantastic, trickle-down economics was genius, and Nixon was just misunderstood.

[Redleg]

LOL :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: Indeed, I admit it was a bit of an exaggeration, but I couldn't help taking a poke at my conservative freinds. It was all in fun. I do not spend all my time thinking about conspiracy theories ethier. LOL :laugh4: As always, I appreciate your "cannon cocker" humor Red.
It's another reason I joined Aviation.

Well poking your head into the clouds also has the tendency to rot your brain - or in the case of Army Aviation you could find yourself about 12 inches shorter if your not real careful......:laugh4:

[yesdachi]

I have one grandma who had family die in Andersonville who hates Bush and hates the south and loves Lincoln and is a Democrat

And one grandma from Georgia who hates Lincoln and REALLY hates Sherman and loves Bush and wont eat at McDonalds because black people touch her food and is a Democrat

Makes for interesting Thanksgivings
I would pay to sit at that dinner table!

[PanzerJaeger]

Well, that's easy to say, because you can never be called on it. But I am struggling to think of anything for which he will be fondly remembered. Massive budget deficits? Expanding the size of the government? Initiating constitutional crisis? Undermining human rights? Dividing the nation? Starting elective wars?

What's going to make us forget about all that?

And what would Lincoln have been fondly remembered for in 1865? America was not in a good place at that point. Only a bit later people realized how bad things could have been had his policies not been implemented.

Remember, most people, northern and southern, did not think freeing the africans was monumental or a good idea. It was only tolerated in the north as it was seen as a weapon against the south. They had no love for blacks either.

Today - if opinion polls are correct - most people dont think trying to bring democracy to the mideast is worth it. However, if we stay the course and in 20 years that region is completely transformed for the better - who will get the credit?

Also Bush has done things for the economy and other aspects of the nation that have the potential to be very positive in the long run.

[Hurin_Rules]

And what would Lincoln have been fondly remembered for in 1865?

Winning the war.

[Kralizec]

Remember, most people, northern and southern, did not think freeing the africans was monumental or a good idea.

The blacks themselves? They no doubt approved back then, and still do now. The Iraqi's don't seem to like how their liberation is turning out, and how they'll think about it in 2 or 3 decades is still guesswork. I concede that if Iraq turns out allright, he should get due credit.

[Lemur]

However, if we stay the course and in 20 years that region is completely transformed for the better - who will get the credit?
Why is it that people who call themselves conservatives -- who supposedly distrust government power and expect all good and efficient things to come out of the marketplace -- suddenly become can-do big-government activists when it comes to nation-building in the mideast? Where does this transformation of ideology and character come from?

I don't trust the government to screw in a lightbulb without incompetence and graft. Why would I expect the same damn government to be whizzo at building democracies in hostile environments?

[Divinus Arma]

Why is it that people who call themselves conservatives -- who supposedly distrust government power and expect all good and efficient things to come out of the marketplace -- suddenly become can-do big-government activists when it comes to nation-building in the mideast? Where does this transformaation of ideology and character come from?


How can the Democratic party pretend to speak for Baptist Blacks and Catholic Mexicans while supporting abortion and gay rights?

The Democratic party is a fragmented collection of various competing groups that independantly have little power by themselves. They are united only in their lust for free goodies from the more succesful citizens.

Conversely, the Republican Party is united in principle, we just sometimes disagree on how exactly to implement policy. In this specific situation, the intent of Democracy export is greater stability and prosperity in a specific region. This results in a reduced costs overall to the United States through trade opportunities and a refocus of capital defense investment away from the region and into new regions. If the world was democratic and free, there would be less government investure into federal aid, national defense, and state department projects. Whether this strategy for policy implementation is effective or ethical is debatable.

[Lemur]

Thanks for the reply, DA; I appreciate your clarification. As for the Democrats, I sort of expect them to be a mess of conflicting agendas. (And in fact, it is their unyielding support of the Teachers' Union that guarantees I will never register as a Democrat.)

I guess the larger lesson of the last few years is that it's much easier to be tight and coherent when you aren't governing. Power allows all of ths splinters in your base to go flying about.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Winning the war.

Good Line.

One important difference:

Grant and Lee, at Appomatox, crafted a surrender that sent Lee's troops home. There were a number of Lee's staff who wanted them to stage an endless guerilla war from the mountains. Without that dignified adherence to a surrender document, the temporary bitterness of the Reconstruction would have become an entrenched divisiveness rivaling Ireland or Israel/Palestine.

Obviously, no equivalent for that exists in Iraq.

[Divinus Arma]

I guess the larger lesson of the last few years is that it's much easier to be tight and coherent when you aren't governing. Power allows all of ths splinters in your base to go flying about.

There is only one issue that is splintering the Republican Party at present.

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Edit: In fact, I would say that this issue, more than any other, would be enough to keep GOPers home this season and next. The big Gov Spending of the current congess and administration is bad, but this topic is the one that'll get folks to drop registration. And that includes me. If this amnesty bill passes, I'm done with the GOP. I will be an American unrepresented.

[Major Robert Dump]

The Democratic party is a fragmented collection of various competing groups that independantly have little power by themselves. They are united only in their lust for free goodies from the more succesful citizens

Unfortunately for many liberals that line of thinking is spot on



Conversely, the Republican Party is united in principle, we just sometimes disagree on how exactly to implement policy. In this specific situation, the intent of Democracy export is greater stability and prosperity in a specific region. This results in a reduced costs overall to the United States through trade opportunities and a refocus of capital defense investment away from the region and into new regions. If the world was democratic and free, there would be less government investure into federal aid, national defense, and state department projects. Whether this strategy for policy implementation is effective or ethical is debatable.

Funny you bring that up right after taking a swipe at liberals. I thought the professional military was supposed to be used to defend the nation and help others, not be a tool for defense investors, who, incidentally, are often the same people who decide what uses to put the military to. What a convenient marriage. I'm not disagreeing with you, in fact I think its true, and I think it's sad, and I think its unethical and pathetic, and it actually benefits these people to be in prolonged conflicts. Oddly enough, this reasoning isn't something thats widely advertised by the Republicans or the Democrats, probably because it wouldn't wash with the general public, and more of them just might become liberals and want free goodies from the people who use national assets to further their own personal gain. The parties throw up smoke screens so we argue over stupid crap, hoping we ignore the larger plan and agendas of the political elite while arguing over issues of the lowest common denominator.

[Divinus Arma]

Funny you bring that up right after taking a swipe at liberals. I thought the professional military was supposed to be used to defend the nation and help others, not be a tool for defense investors, who, incidentally, are often the same people who decide what uses to put the military to. What a convenient marriage. I'm not disagreeing with you, in fact I think its true, and I think it's sad, and I think its unethical and pathetic, and it actually benefits these people to be in prolonged conflicts. Oddly enough, this reasoning isn't something thats widely advertised by the Republicans or the Democrats, probably because it wouldn't wash with the general public, and more of them just might become liberals and want free goodies from the people who use national assets to further their own personal gain. The parties throw up smoke screens so we argue over stupid crap, hoping we ignore the larger plan and agendas of the political elite while arguing over issues of the lowest common denominator.

I normally enjoy your posts. But this rot hey're is ain't nothin' but a bit o liberal hippie speak.

Seriously. An evil military industrial complex with designer wars fabricated only for stockholder benefit? The capitalist war machine? That is about as San Fransisco as you can get, minus the buttsex.

[rotorgun]

I normally enjoy your posts. But this rot hey're is ain't nothin' but a bit o liberal hippie speak.

Seriously. An evil military industrial complex with designer wars fabricated only for stockholder benefit? The capitalist war machine? That is about as San Fransisco as you can get, minus the buttsex.

I would agree with you in principal with this retort to the honorable Major Dump, but must point out that I don't see many of the stockholders, investment groups such as United Technologies, and high rollers like Dick Cheney (former CEO of KBR) lining up to go on patrol in Iraq. While freeing Iraqis is arguably a worthy goal, surely you can't be naiive enough to think that economic gain is not also a goal of this war? To qoute the Bible, "Love of money is the root of all evil" (Proverbs); almost every war in history had economic gain as a cause. All the other stated goals were the "reasons" to justify it.

BTW, I am not in San Francisco, and if any body wants to try "buttsex" with me, he had better think about dying on that day first. :viking:

No offense DA, I am proud of how much you love your country, and your political party. I just have a difference of opinion about all politicians since Watergate, Chapaquittic, Viet Nam, and the Clinton era...yes I, a Democrat, was appalled by his Presidency. I also thought that President Reagan was one of our greatest Presidents, because he could work with the liberals as well as the conservatives. I actually shed tears when he was going through the throws of Altzhiemer disease, and was saddened by his death. It is hypocricy that I cannot stand, and this current bunch practice it with abandon. As an old Italian freind of mine says "vote the old crooks out and the new ones in!" ....especially Ted Kennedy.
:laugh4:

[Divinus Arma]

I would agree with you in principal with this retort to the honorable Major Dump, but must point out that I don't see many of the stockholders, investment groups such as United Technologies, and high rollers like Dick Cheney (former CEO of KBR) lining up to go on patrol in Iraq. While freeing Iraqis is arguably a worthy goal, surely you can't be naiive enough to think that economic gain is not also a goal of this war? To qoute the Bible, "Love of money is the root of all evil" (Proverbs); almost every war in history had economic gain as a cause. All the other stated goals were the "reasons" to justify it.

Of course military contracters profit from armed conflict. I may be partisan, but I'm not a fool. I disagree with the view that the drive for profit actually stimulates polticians to engage in designer wars. Stupid? Arguably. Evil? I doubt it.



No offense DA, I am proud of how much you love your country, and your political party.

No offense taken. It takes a bit to do that. Insult the military or my service. That'll be about the only buttons I have.


I just have a difference of opinion about all politicians since Watergate, Chapaquittic, Viet Nam, and the Clinton era...yes I, a Democrat, was appalled by his Presidency. I also thought that President Reagan was one of our greatest Presidents, because he could work with the liberals as well as the conservatives. I actually shed tears when he was going through the throws of Altzhiemer disease, and was saddened by his death. It is hypocricy that I cannot stand, and this current bunch practice it with abandon. As an old Italian freind of mine says "vote the old crooks out and the new ones in!" ....especially Ted Kennedy.
:laugh4:

Sadly, the state of U.S. politics is so pathetic that our elected officials feel completely unaccountable to the citizenry. Gerrymandering, campaign financing, nepotism; all of it guarantees a flawed self-serving government.

[GoreBag]

I thought it was a well-established fact that intense pressure was being put on the president from the investors to go to war in Iraq. I remember hearing that the company contracted to build and supply helicopters was on the brink of bankruptcy, and then, because of the war, began rolling in the dough.

[Hurin_Rules]

Good Line.

One important difference:

Grant and Lee, at Appomatox, crafted a surrender that sent Lee's troops home. There were a number of Lee's staff who wanted them to stage an endless guerilla war from the mountains. Without that dignified adherence to a surrender document, the temporary bitterness of the Reconstruction would have become an entrenched divisiveness rivaling Ireland or Israel/Palestine.

Obviously, no equivalent for that exists in Iraq.

None of which refutes my central point.

Lincoln was and will always be remembered for winning the war. Freeing the slaves was more controversial at the time, to be sure. But he did have that one great victory, keeping the country together.

Bush has nothing remotely comparable.

[rotorgun]

Another point to consider in comparing President Bush with President Lincoln is that the War of the Rebellion was forced upon Lincoln. The war in Iraq, despite what some may feel, was an elective war. Afghanistan was, and is, the real central theater, being home to the Taliban, and nieghbor to Pakistan, probable hiding place of the Al Queida leadership. Therefore, I feel no sympathy for our dear President and his "War on Terror." I will say, in defense of President Bush, that he has allowed his Generals a little more leway than Lincoln did. Then again, Lincoln was saddled with some very incompetent fellows for quite some time.
:captain:

[solypsist]

NSA issues, chief?


Joking intentions are understood... but let's put the ka-bosh on the shooting talk, please.