View Full Version : Creative Assembly Petition to get MTW GOLD Patched to 2.01
Papewaio
05-31-2006, 04:18
Put your name in this thread to list your desire to see MTW GOLD be able to be patched without having to break the EULA.
If you have any other avenues of leverage (such as gaming forums and magazines) then list them here. Particularly any other petition threads on other TW sites.
United we stand.
Papewaio
Morrigan
05-31-2006, 04:38
Real Name? xxxxxxxxxxx
Alright sign me up as Morrigan :)
Papewaio
05-31-2006, 04:41
Nope keep it your net name for now... protection from identity theft.
The_Doctor
05-31-2006, 15:03
Sign me up.
Craterus
05-31-2006, 15:41
Yeah, me too.
The_Doctor
05-31-2006, 16:10
And put a link to this thread in your sig.
Its like the Anti-Jamster Crusade, but with a purpose.
macsen rufus
05-31-2006, 17:57
Well, it's a bit let letting the barbarians in through the gates, but I guess we really need full compatibility for those who've only just discovered MTW/VI :2thumbsup:
That's a "yes", by the way :book:
Divine Wind
05-31-2006, 20:11
One ronin samurai at your service.
The Spartan (Returns)
05-31-2006, 20:22
well i dont have MTW gold but why not?
Count me in.
Big mistake and hopefully CA will correct it, since someone overlooked and sent an olser version for release
The Stranger
05-31-2006, 22:14
i'm in!
GeneralHankerchief
05-31-2006, 22:22
I'll sign.
Definitely add my signature to the list. I don't have Gold edition, but I can certainly feel the pain of those who do. I remember all too well what a royal pain in the butt Viking Invasion 2.0 was before the patch.... :furious3:
x-dANGEr
06-01-2006, 14:48
At your service.
Can you not just patch it yourself?
I'm in.
BTW: Shaun - no, apparently if you patch it, it does not work (doesn't recognise the CD). You have to use some dodgy cracks or something to get around the problem.
x-dANGEr
06-01-2006, 15:58
So the EULA control the CD?! 0-o
Dutch_guy
06-01-2006, 16:57
Count me in.
Hope this works !
:balloon2:
So the EULA control the CD?! 0-o
The EULA states that the game can't be copied or cracked etc. Installing the unoffical VI patch over the Gold Edition stops the Gold Edition CDROM from being recognised by the installation, this is because it is the Medieval_TW.exe file that reads and verifies the CD copy protection and this is patched (replaced by a new file). The patched Medieval_TW.exe v2.01 will be looking for the VI disc and not the Gold edition disc, so the game simply won't run. The only way around this, for the moment, is to violate the EULA by using one of the "dodgy cracks" mentioned above. This is why CA need to get on this embarrassing problem straight away.
R'as al Ghul
06-02-2006, 14:56
I feel your pain.
Signed!
Anthony Cecil Hogmanay Melchett
06-02-2006, 15:22
This is certainly a strange issue indeed. When I got the game home I installed it on my first PC, only to find that it was V2.0 as described here. However I tried installing it on my second lower spec. pc and it installed V2.01 first try. Nothing I can do will get it to install the borked version on my second computer nor can I seem to get it to install V2.01 on my first computer (other than using the workaround aluded to). Strange.
There is no particular difference between the computers that I could see that would of caused this, they're both XP with SP2 installed.
Still I'll sign a petition to encourage them to sort out this garbled mess.
PS I sent an email to the techsupport people who you are prompted to contact on the Sega support site before I found the workaround, so it'll be interesting to see what (if anything) they recommend.
I don't own M:TW gold, but I'll add my voice to this as well.
This is certainly a strange issue indeed. When I got the game home I installed it on my first PC, only to find that it was V2.0 as described here. However I tried installing it on my second lower spec. pc and it installed V2.01 first try. Nothing I can do will get it to install the borked version on my second computer nor can I seem to get it to install V2.01 on my first computer (other than using the workaround aluded to). Strange.
There is no particular difference between the computers that I could see that would of caused this, they're both XP with SP2 installed.
Still I'll sign a petition to encourage them to sort out this garbled mess.
PS I sent an email to the techsupport people who you are prompted to contact on the Sega support site before I found the workaround, so it'll be interesting to see what (if anything) they recommend.
Arghh... eh? :dizzy2:
I don't own M:TW gold, but I'll add my voice to this as well.
I don't own it either, but I'd like to see newer players getting into MTW, though this present situation is not giving them the best start. :no:
Geezer57
06-02-2006, 17:34
Count me in, too. This situation implies terrible Q/A at the publisher, eh?
Divine Wind
06-03-2006, 03:02
Count me in, too. This situation implies terrible Q/A at the publisher, eh?
Hugely embarrassing for the QA team, and im sure heads will role for this.
I really cant understand how things like this seem to slip through so easily. I worked at Codemasters as a QA technician a few years ago and the amount of protocols and safety systems in place, made these type of things almost impossible to happen.
It'll be very interesting in the next few weeks to what action CA and Sega will take to resolve this situation.
I really hope they do the right thing for customers and loyal fans of this series, and if they dont i and many other people will be extremely disappointed.
:no:
Come Together
06-03-2006, 04:53
Hah, I'm not that suprised. Well, count me in.:sweatdrop:
BHCWarman88
06-03-2006, 05:02
Hand No Ploblems but........
Sign me up too :-) :-)
sign me up
B.
edit - i encourage people to add a link to this thread into their signature too
ChaosMerlin
06-03-2006, 19:17
Signed.
We need more MP players in the VI lobby and it's crazy that the versions aren't compatible.
ChaosMerlin
Tony Furze
06-04-2006, 01:39
Glad this is rolling,and glad to be along.TF
mercian billman
06-04-2006, 02:42
Sign me up as well.
Ianofsmeg16
06-04-2006, 11:01
I'm In
Signed.
I also suggest people send an email to PC Gamer UK as they seem to be big TW fans and I'm sure they could put some pressure on CA and Sega if enough people contact them. The sooner the wider public is made aware of this, the sooner it will be fixed I imagine. The address is cables@futurenet.co.uk
UltraWar
06-05-2006, 14:33
Signed
Stormcrow
06-05-2006, 15:52
Signed.
Archayon
06-05-2006, 18:02
I'd like to install the patch too :furious3: but i'm stuck with MTW:VI gold
so: Signed.
Loucipher
06-06-2006, 07:50
I don't own the MTW:GE, but I'd like all versions of the game to be brought to the latest version, so that all MTW players can have a common platform.
Signed.
AntiochusIII
06-07-2006, 00:14
Being that I might rebuy MTW soon, having lost it a long time ago and, now that it is summer, is going to buy a lot of games again, I must admit this predicament is of my immediate concern.
I'm not sure how much of an impact such an internet petition made, but consider it signed,
AntiochusIII; my individual real-life information can be provided to the petition upon request by private message, as long as it does not endanger my privacy and property.
Glad this is rolling,and glad to be along.TF
How's things Tony Furze! Good to see you here mate. :2thumbsup:
@AntiochusIII: I had read at the .com about someone with the DVD version having 2.01 and thus no problems. So that might be an option.
cunobelinus
06-07-2006, 11:16
count me in
Anthony Cecil Hogmanay Melchett
06-07-2006, 13:35
Just had a response from Mastertronic.
They say that the issue is related to having a previous install of medieval and not having removed it properly. This sounds some way plausible, as the computer I was having the issues with did have a Medieval install on there at some point in the past, however it had been removed properly (ie I had used the uninstall wizard).
I have tried manually removing some stray registry entries left behind after uninstall, but I still can't get it to install V2.01 on that computer straight from the disk.
Has anyone else who's had this issue also had an install of Medieval on the PC before? I'd like to know if Mastertronic are onto something with this theory.
KnightOfTheImperialDragon
06-07-2006, 18:24
Signed.
It's ridiculous that this oversight made it all the way to release. I hope it's not a sign of things to come from CA/Sega.
Tony Furze
06-07-2006, 18:35
Anthony:at least Mastertronic are putting their brains to the problem. Thanks for the reply from them. TF
Signed.
Will link in the Frontroom.
Uesugi Kenshin
06-08-2006, 02:42
Signed.
I don't own the gold version, but there's no reason why people should have to suffer through cracks and so on to get their game patched.
Louis VI the Fat
06-08-2006, 02:49
Count me in.
Ironside
06-08-2006, 07:39
Signed
Geoffrey S
06-08-2006, 08:40
Consider it signed.
InsaneApache
06-08-2006, 09:37
present.
doc_bean
06-08-2006, 09:37
sing me up !
edyzmedieval
06-08-2006, 10:51
Sign me in. :2thumbsup:
MTW is my favourite TW game.
UglyandHasty
06-08-2006, 14:36
Sign me up please
UglyandHasty
Trapped in Samsara
06-08-2006, 18:59
I endore this petition.
VGB
I'm all for properly functional software.
Hi all I'll sign.:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
Alexander the Pretty Good
06-08-2006, 23:07
Needs to get fixed, in case I end up losing my current MTW and VI CD's.
LeftEyeNine
06-08-2006, 23:59
LEN is in.
Crazed Rabbit
06-09-2006, 01:06
Signed,
Crazed Rabbit
I am certainly in. Why make a patch and then handcuff your own games?
Kaiser of Arabia
06-09-2006, 03:48
Signing in!
yesdachi
06-09-2006, 04:06
You have my support! :knight:
Sjakihata
06-09-2006, 15:09
Sjakihata
As it should have been, perhaps it shall be.
mfberg
AggonyDuck
06-09-2006, 16:00
Sign up AggonyDucky for the list! This is definately something that needs to be fixed!
Storm_Of_Shields
06-09-2006, 16:40
Sign the Shield he will support :)
Just had a response from Mastertronic.
They say that the issue is related to having a previous install of medieval and not having removed it properly. This sounds some way plausible, as the computer I was having the issues with did have a Medieval install on there at some point in the past, however it had been removed properly (ie I had used the uninstall wizard).
I have tried manually removing some stray registry entries left behind after uninstall, but I still can't get it to install V2.01 on that computer straight from the disk.
Has anyone else who's had this issue also had an install of Medieval on the PC before? I'd like to know if Mastertronic are onto something with this theory.
Interesting. Any further news on this?
Sensei Warrior
06-10-2006, 00:04
signed
Mithrandir
06-10-2006, 19:32
Signed.
Mount Suribachi
06-11-2006, 21:40
Needs to get fixed, in case I end up losing my current MTW and VI CD's.
Exactly. I couldn't imagine not playing MTW without the 2.01 patch. Especially after all the furore I caused over the patching of VI.....
Count me in.
Judge not and thou shall not be judged
Judge has signeth the document
{AggonyJudgee}
Incongruous
06-13-2006, 08:37
Mine came patched to 2.01.
scannerfish
06-14-2006, 18:47
I'm in .
Marcvs Traianvs
06-15-2006, 08:50
and me!
Kralizec
06-19-2006, 15:07
Signed! :yes:
Add me to the list. This seems to be an absolutely crazy situation.
Mouzafphaerre
06-22-2006, 04:07
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I, Mouzafphaerre, sign the petition. :knight:
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greywolf
06-22-2006, 04:54
please count me in as well. thanks!
The Shogun
06-22-2006, 15:14
Ok we are looking in to this. My understanding is there may well be a patch for this issue. But that is not confirmed and I can't confirm it for at least a week or so. However there is no need for a petition, in fact you should all be aware of our opinion on these by now. Online petitions have to be disregarded as a measure of opinion as they are completely open to abuse there is no email authentication so any one make multiple signatures. So for example some one could start a petition saying that we should completely scrap the strategy map form our games. Then set up a PC to auto generate signatures and a few days later you a have petition with 1000's of signatures.
So I will let you know within two weeks what's happening with this, if you don't here back from be please get one of the admins to PM me. I am really busy at the moment so some things do slip from time to time.
I hope that helps guys?
Ok we are looking in to this. My understanding is there may well be a patch for this issue. But that is not confirmed and I can't confirm it for at least a week or so.
So finally you're hinting that there may be a patch? When this issue was raised over at the offical forums, the topics related to it were quickly closed and members informed that the VI 2.01 patch would suffice. It is good that this is being finally looked inot though.
However there is no need for a petition, in fact you should all be aware of our opinion on these by now. Online petitions have to be disregarded as a measure of opinion as they are completely open to abuse there is no email authentication so any one make multiple signatures.
I disagree, this is a call for a show of support from the existing userbase of this forum. To suggest that those members involved are simply the same person using multiple accounts is ludicrous. The administration could have verified the originating IP addresses if necessary, so this is easily proven. Most of those signing are long standing members, not those that have just registered with the sole purpose of signing this petition. Email authentrication is in place in this software (Vbulletin). The same email address cannot be used to register multiple accounts.
So for example some one could start a petition saying that we should completely scrap the strategy map form our games. Then set up a PC to auto generate signatures and a few days later you a have petition with 1000's of signatures.
Not on this messageboard. What you're trying to describe is some kind of a robotic registration hack. AS I've said, the members that have posted are long term members not generated bots, all posting from the same IP address.
So I will let you know within two weeks what's happening with this, if you don't here back from be please get one of the admins to PM me. I am really busy at the moment so some things do slip from time to time.
I hope that helps guys?
Well, let's hope that this issue is now addressed and that a patch is created. Despite the seemingly harsh manner of this post, I sincerely appreciate your coming here to make this statment.
CSXVI
So I will let you know within two weeks what's happening with this, if you don't here back from be please get one of the admins to PM me. I am really busy at the moment so some things do slip from time to time.
I hope that helps guys?
It does. Thanks for the response, Shogun.
A warning message posted on the forums about MTW Gold is the most effective thing to do. As you can see, petitions will be ignored. It's interesting that CA is responding to this because officially they claim product support isn't their responsibility.
Kralizec
06-22-2006, 18:50
Till then it might be useful to make a list of countries where improver Gold versions are distributed.
In the Netherlands you get the proper, patched version.
Thanks Shogun. We appreciate the response!
Mouzafphaerre
06-23-2006, 02:17
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Thanks for your participation. But:
Online petitions have to be disregarded as a measure of opinion as they are completely open to abuse [...]
Fair enough in principle, but:
So for example some one could start a petition saying that we should completely scrap the strategy map form our games. Then set up a PC to auto generate signatures and a few days later you a have petition with 1000's of signatures.
Totalwar.ORG members are not autogenerated signatures. We have well established and long tried security measures, the Entrance Hall system and all, to make sure that it remains a place where honourable people with legitimate intentions of discussing the TotalWar games and other things in a civil and friendly atmosphere assemble. There have been very few and marginal instances of crossing the line, all of which being taken care of properly and promptly.
Added to that, quite a large majority of the signers of this petition at this board have been well known and respected members of the community for a long time. They should never be suspected of identity abuse.
I kindly and most respectfully protest such implications as a devoted ORGAH. :bow:
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Mount Suribachi
06-23-2006, 08:37
Well said Mouza :bow:
Still, good news that they are looking into this ~:)
Papewaio
06-23-2006, 09:02
Year / Join Date of Member
2000 1
2001 4
2002 7
2003 14
2004 19
2005 20
2006 13
There are 78 signed members on this thread, anyone who signed the thread but since has been permanently banned is not included. Two of these have only posted once on the Org to sign this thread. The other 76 have posted an average of 1589 posts each, for a total of 120,777 posts.
edited by request of the poster
I hope that helps guys?
Thanks for the positive response, Shogun. :bow:
To any subsequent posters taking offense: I'm sure Shogun was not saying we are Script bots. I think he's just saying there's no need for a separate on-line petition. My reading of his post is that he's not regarding this thread as a petition (even though we've labelled it as such).
CA posts on the Org have become so rare they tend to attract over-excited responses. There's a risk that this becomes a vicious circle. If trying to communicate and be helpful leads people to over-analyse and over-react to your posts, you can understand why people are reluctant to post.
~:grouphug:
Myrddraal
06-23-2006, 10:09
Thanks for dropping by Shogun :bow:
R'as al Ghul
06-23-2006, 10:11
To any subsequent posters taking offense: I'm sure Shogun was not saying we are Script bots.
Nevertheless, I agree wholeheartedly with Papewaio and Mouza.
CA posts on the Org have become so rare
I think we all know the reasons for that.
Communication in online forums is always difficult. Either you want contact and discussion with your fan base, or you don't.
Whining and complaining from either side isn't helping anyone.
:bow:
just an agent
Communication in online forums is always difficult. Either you want contact and discussion with your fan base, or you don't. Whining and complaining from either side isn't helping anyone.
It's not an all or nothing thing. CA staff have limited time at work and like all of us, limited patience. If posting to fans produces positive responses, they will do it. If trying to be communicative and helpful leads them to be accused of whining and complaining, I can understand them staying away. :shrug:
R'as al Ghul
06-23-2006, 10:49
If trying to be communicative and helpful leads them to be accused of whining and complaining, I can understand them staying away. :shrug:
I was generally commenting on the atmosphere in the forums, lately (since R:TW). I didn't accuse anyone specific, although patrons are more guilty of it. Of course I understand that posting at .org isn't their main occupation but I always thought of it as an important tool for them.
If posting to fans produces positive responses, they will do it.
And only then, it seems. Since they are being criticized they're making themselves rather rare. Of course, this is my personal observation and needn't be true.
KukriKhan
06-24-2006, 04:00
Let's clear up a few things, so we can move on together.
1) Membership.
Being a Member here, whether Junior, Full, CA, or staff, means something special here; It means that your words get accorded respect, and are allowed the principle of charity (i.e. it's assumed that your intent is honorable). The_Shogun is a member here. He gets the same deal as the rest of us.
2) Staff:
Staff here are tasked to help Members. This thread & petition were started by staff in an attempt to help members solve a problem (50% of their game product being unusable). Kudo's to staff for using a petition, after exhausting the other, usual solutions - changing user settings, game settings, hardware configurations, etc. No other tech solution obtaining, staff resorted to the means at hand - the power of words, organized.
3) Petitions
It is well understood and remembered, the ugliness of some other past petition-drives in the totalwar community. Boycotts, won't-buys, and such like have tainted the reputation of petitions, and their ability to effect significant change. Nevertheless, after review, I certify that each signatory post in this thread was made by an individually-identifyable IP address. Such efforts should not be dismissed out-of-hand by developers and publishers due to past ugliness, because sometimes they are the only means seen as available by product-buyers to fix their problems.
All that siad... we asked for attention, attention is received and responded to. Solution is on the way, yes?
Thread re-opened.
Tony Furze
06-24-2006, 05:00
Great to see something s moving on this issue.
Thanks for the positive response, Shogun. :bow:
CA posts on the Org have become so rare they tend to attract over-excited responses. There's a risk that this becomes a vicious circle. If trying to communicate and be helpful leads people to over-analyse and over-react to your posts, you can understand why people are reluctant to post.
~:grouphug:
If only I could simply ignore all of the whining and complaining customers in my job... :inquisitive:
Silver Rusher
06-28-2006, 21:47
+1
I mean... err... I sign.
Divine Wind
06-28-2006, 23:11
A positive step...at least i hope so.
Thanks for stopping by Shogun.
Sun Tzui
07-02-2006, 02:33
Im in!
Mr Frost
07-02-2006, 03:26
One more .
Customers should not have to break a contract simply to get what they paid for .
The Shogun
07-03-2006, 16:26
Chasing up on this now should have news in the next day or so...
Appreciate the update, Shogun. :bow:
Mouzafphaerre
07-04-2006, 01:43
Chasing up on this now should have news in the next day or so...
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:balloon2: :bow: ~:thumb:
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Chasing up on this now should have news in the next day or so...
Superb, many thanks. :2thumbsup:
Again apolgoies for my earlier, somewhat harsh post, though I did feel that some of the administration over at the official forums were trying to sweep all of this under the carpet.
Dutch_guy
07-04-2006, 19:56
It's here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=66624)
It was posted in the M2TW forum, so you might have missed it.
Thank you CA !
:balloon2:
Medieval Gold Edition Patch Released : now available on www.totalwar.com under support/medieval!
:-)
B
This thread can probably be unstickied now its been fixed :2thumbsup:
Got to think of a new sig now though :idea2:
Hi all i whase looking at the download section from total war.org and found a Patch cald Gold_patch2[1].1 to 2.01 i dont no of this is for the MTW gold edition????
sry for the spoil alert i whase trying sommething
here it comme s again
Gold_patch_2[1].0 to 2.01
To end it on a good note:
Game PR Catchphrases: What They Really Mean
Quote: “Downloadable content available through our website!"
Indicates: There's going to be new levels, new maps, new everything after the game is out, making the purchase fully worth your $50.
True Meaning: We'll fix the game breaking bug about 3 weeks after the game's out, hope you guys aren't on 56K because it'll be a 186 MB patch. Also, hopefully this game will have some devoted mod/map makers, because the publisher isn't going to release ****. But there are some cool wallpapers to download!
http://www.somethingawful.com/index.php?a=2220
Btothexicus Maximus
07-10-2006, 22:33
I support this petition :)
The Spartan (Returns)
07-12-2006, 02:49
too late. the patch is out already.
Does this replacement TW.exe file allow you to actually play an online game with people that have the non-Gold MTW/VI v2.01?
Does this replacement TW.exe file allow you to actually play an online game with people that have the non-Gold MTW/VI v2.01?
It should do, as it should be recognised as exactly the same game and version. Would be good if someone were to test it though?
It should do, as it should be recognised as exactly the same game and version.
There are files that are not part of the main exe that are checked when you try to join a hosted game. Also, the MTW Gold TW.exe is not the same as the MTW/VI TW.exe.
There are files that are not part of the main exe that are checked when you try to join a hosted game. Also, the MTW Gold TW.exe is not the same as the MTW/VI TW.exe.
Indeed, though all of those files should be the same. The only other differences would be possibly the menu graphics? The exe will only be different to reflect the copy protection used. The Gold version Medieval_TW.exe would need to be able to recognise the Gold edition CD this is why the exe appears to be a different size.
Also *ahem* the Gold edition can be made to work by replacing the Gold edition exe with the VI 2.01 exe providing you also have the VI cd to put in the drive. This seems to point towards the installations being identical, otherwise the VI exe would not work with the GE files, it would crash.
Of course there could be other bugs/issues but as I've said, as it appears, it should work providing they're both v2.01. Hopefully someone can test this though.
Also *ahem* the Gold edition can be made to work by replacing the Gold edition exe with the VI 2.01 exe providing you also have the VI cd to put in the drive. This seems to point towards the installations being identical, otherwise the VI exe would not work with the GE files, it would crash.
That's true so the alternate files that are checked are the same between the two versions. However, the TW.exe's are different. If the game uses a checksum to compare main exe's it isn't going to allow MTW Gold to work with MTW non-Gold. We know it uses a checksum to compare the unit_prod files.
That's true so the alternate files that are checked are the same between the two versions. However, the TW.exe's are different. If the game uses a checksum to compare main exe's it isn't going to allow MTW Gold to work with MTW non-Gold. We know it uses a checksum to compare the unit_prod files.
If it does use a checksum... we'd better get another petiton going! (Once we've found out for sure that is.) You could very well be right... :help:
Count me in also. Sega is not of to a good start! I was thinking about buying the Gold will not now!!! :shame:
Count me in also. Sega is not of to a good start! I was thinking about buying the Gold will not now!!! :shame:
Already patched isn't it?
Count me in also. Sega is not of to a good start! I was thinking about buying the Gold will not now!!! :shame:
Have a look at this thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=66624).
AmbrosiusAurelianus
08-26-2006, 14:40
Count me in too! I have just got this with the Eras package.
My version will not even install. It says that a previous version of MTW is installed, and even though I have run the uninstall programs of both MTW and VI, and checked that there is no longer an entry in my registry, it still will not allow me to install Gold Edition. I am really ****** off with CA this time!!!!!
Dutch_guy
08-26-2006, 15:19
Well the petition is long over AmbrosiusAurelianus, so I'm going to have to redirect you to the Link Ludens (amongst others) posted :
this one (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=66624)
As for your problem, it would be wiser if you'd post your question here :
Apothecary (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=15)
:balloon2:
CountArach
08-26-2006, 22:28
I don't own it, but I'll sign for the hell of it.
Mithrandir
08-27-2006, 14:04
Well the petition is long over AmbrosiusAurelianus, so I'm going to have to redirect you to the Link Ludens (amongst others) posted :
this one (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=66624)
As for your problem, it would be wiser if you'd post your question here :
Apothecary (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=15)
:balloon2:
:bow:
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