View Full Version : Canada foils massive terror plot saves millons
Strike For The South
06-03-2006, 16:38
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/06/03/canada.terror/index.html
Well the 2nd best place on Earth foils a terror plot with about 1/64564575675 funding that the USA has makes ya think eh? Good job you canackus :canada:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/06/03/canada.terror/index.html
Well the 2nd best place on Earth foils a terror plot with about 1/64564575675 funding that the USA has makes ya think eh? Good job you canackus :canada:
Good work Canada:2thumbsup:
Holy smacking. I've got lots of family there.
Good for the RCMP!
Very sad though.
Duke Malcolm
06-03-2006, 17:10
The Mounties always get their man...
3 Tons of NH4NO3... good god. Very good this was foiled.
Well it just proves that having only one federal law enforcement agency can make these type of things go quicker.
The Mounties always get their man...
This is totally off topic but where did that saying originate? It's not the RCMP's motto. Never was, it's always been "Maintiens le droit".
See.
http://www.rcmp.ca/about/images/1954_lg.jpg
Anyway good job.
Marcellus
06-03-2006, 18:13
This is totally off topic but where did that saying originate? It's not the RCMP's motto. Never was, it's always been "Maintiens le droit".
From Wikipedia: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mounties#The_RCMP_in_popular_culture)
The Mounties have been immortalized as symbols of Canadian culture in numerous Hollywood movies, which often feature the image of the Mountie as square-jawed, stoic, and polite, and with the motto that the Mountie "always gets his man." (In actual fact, the RCMP's motto is Maintiens le droit, French for "Maintain the law".) The Hollywood motto derives from a comment by the Montana newspaper, the Fort Benton Record: "They fetch their man every time."
Duke Malcolm
06-03-2006, 18:15
This is totally off topic but where did that saying originate? It's not the RCMP's motto. Never was, it's always been "Maintiens le droit".
Because it is true.
Kongamato
06-03-2006, 20:43
Good work by the Canadians, dunno if they saved millions, but that's a nitpick.
Anyway, if you have time, check out the photoshopped picture accompanying this story on msn.com's front page.
Hurin_Rules
06-04-2006, 02:34
It will be interesting to see what they were planning. I'm going to be back in Toronto for a good bit of the summer, and I'm actually near there right now; I've been following it in the Toronto Star. There is some speculation here they were aiming at the CN tower (which I believe is still the world's largest free-standing structure, though I think there are others under construction that will be bigger when completed). If that were the case I have many friends who would have been affected, if not killed.
Good job!
AwesomeArcher
06-04-2006, 05:13
yea canada, our great neighbors to the north.
P.S. send free perscription drugs to me :laugh4: (kidding)
I hope that the Canadians get the recognition they deserve in the US News networks. I'll be pissed if this is just one of those scrolling texts at the bottom of the screen or worse not even mentioned.
Good job Canda!:balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2:
Rodion Romanovich
06-04-2006, 10:05
Good job Canada! What's even better, is that Canada succeeded in stopping this brutal act of terror without removing any integrity of the individual or giving the police a shoot first and ask questions later policy which could lead to the death of innocent civilians (like it did in Britain). All in all I think Canadian police has done a really brilliant job on this one. :2thumbsup:
Avicenna
06-04-2006, 11:23
Good work by the Canadians, dunno if they saved millions, but that's a nitpick.
^ Exactly what I'm thinking.
Mount Suribachi
06-04-2006, 12:04
And bang goes the "only imperialist countries fighting a crusade against muslims need to fear Islamic terrorism" theory...
(not that I ever suscribed to it)
Avicenna
06-04-2006, 12:06
Canada does have troops at Iraq though.
And bang goes the "only imperialist countries fighting a crusade against muslims need to fear Islamic terrorism" theory...
(not that I ever suscribed to it)
My thoughts exactly...
Hope Canada locks these guys in for life.
Hurin_Rules
06-04-2006, 15:57
Canada does have troops at Iraq though.
Canada does not have troops in Iraq, beyond a few (less than a dozen, I believe) who were already conducting cooperative training missions when the US units they were with were sent to Iraq. The Canadian parliament and government declined to participate in the invasion of Iraq.
Canada does, however, have troops in Afghanistan, and in fact has taken an even greater role there in the last year.
>Hope Canada locks these guys in for life.
LOL, here in lies the fault.
I hope our new government lives up to it's promise for tougher sentences, but I'll believe it when I see it + the hilarity will really start if Canada tries to "deport" these terrorist punks to their original countries of origin.
Remember the Air India terrorist fiasco? Complete incompetence on the part of the Canadian legal system, and a disgrace to the very concept of justice.
Don't get me wrong, it's certainly good that they stopped these punks before their plots got off the ground. I just believe it will all fall apart like a Chinese motorcycle from here. ...I'd be very happy if I was wrong though.
Tribesman
06-05-2006, 01:28
A quick lesson in how to catch potential terrorists with 3 tons of fertiliser .
Don't under any circumstances make a move until you have delivered them the fertiliser .
Papewaio
06-05-2006, 02:57
3 tons of fertilizer would only fertilize something like 15 to 30 acres of a cereal crop. A small farm would be 1500-3000 acres depending on the region... so a typical farmer might have 30 tons of fertilizer.
A bit of preplanning by these guys... buy their own farm. And the ability to track this would have become a lot more harder to find and a lot harder to prove.
"So what if I have 3 tons of Ammonia Nitrate? Thats just the amount for the market garden."
>Hope Canada locks these guys in for life.
LOL, here in lies the fault.
I hope our new government lives up to it's promise for tougher sentences, but I'll believe it when I see it + the hilarity will really start if Canada tries to "deport" these terrorist punks to their original countries of origin.
Remember the Air India terrorist fiasco? Complete incompetence on the part of the Canadian legal system, and a disgrace to the very concept of justice.
Don't get me wrong, it's certainly good that they stopped these punks before their plots got off the ground. I just believe it will all fall apart like a Chinese motorcycle from here. ...I'd be very happy if I was wrong though.
Indeed, our judiciary is all about reform and helping rather than punishment. I'd like to see that wiener try and influence the courts from his parliment hill bunker, sorry office. :juggle2:
Rodion Romanovich
06-05-2006, 09:24
>Hope Canada locks these guys in for life.
LOL, here in lies the fault.
I hope our new government lives up to it's promise for tougher sentences, but I'll believe it when I see it + the hilarity will really start if Canada tries to "deport" these terrorist punks to their original countries of origin.
Remember the Air India terrorist fiasco? Complete incompetence on the part of the Canadian legal system, and a disgrace to the very concept of justice.
Don't get me wrong, it's certainly good that they stopped these punks before their plots got off the ground. I just believe it will all fall apart like a Chinese motorcycle from here. ...I'd be very happy if I was wrong though.
You mean you don't have a life prison sentence in Canada?
You mean you don't have a life prison sentence in Canada?
The only real life sentence in Canada is if a judge declares you a Dangerous Offender. A high threat of recidivism is the key. A dangerous offender is kept in prison "until we say so". It's not easy to have someone declared a dangerous offender, but if he is, odds are he's going to be locked up for a very long time or until he's dead.
Avicenna
06-05-2006, 12:39
The fact remains that troops are their. These guys want to scare everyone away from Iraq or even the whole of the Middle East, and what better to do than intimidate the US's main allies first? UK, Canada and OZ.
You mean you don't have a life prison sentence in Canada?
A life sentence here is 25 years. And that is about the max anyone can (outside of treason in time of war, which still carries a death sentence) get, save as the tree killer said being decalred a dangerous offender. Also few people will serve more than a 1/5 of a life sentence anyway. That is you can get parloed after 5 years and unless you are a problem inmate you will.
screwtype
06-05-2006, 13:31
3 Tons of NH4NO3... good god. Very good this was foiled.
And here's the really funny bit. The cops gave them that three tons of nitrate. Apparently so they'd have a better case against them.
Too bad if they'd managed to make use of the stuff before the cops arrested them...
Rodion Romanovich
06-05-2006, 13:58
And here's the really funny bit. The cops gave them that three tons of nitrate. Apparently so they'd have a better case against them.
Too bad if they'd managed to make use of the stuff before the cops arrested them...
What do you mean the cops gave it? They didn't order fertilizer from cops, did they? If so the police would be guilty of incitement to crime or whatever the proper term in English is. As for allowing the perfectly legal trade of fertilizer to take place, then arrest the people after proof of intent of crime had come (when there was proof the fertilizer was going to be used for bomb making), that's the way the police is supposed to act in the ideal case. You can't arrest them before they've shown signs of crime, and it's, except in the case of repeated offenders, pointless to arrest someone after they've committed the crime. If the police knows what they're doing, with good recon and high readiness, the way it was done in this case is the way it's supposed to be done IMO.
@Beirut & lars573: ok, but if there's proof of intent of wanting to blow up large parts of a city, wouldn't that be enough to declare someone dangerous enough for life sentence?
Tribesman
06-05-2006, 14:40
What do you mean the cops gave it? They didn't order fertilizer from cops, did they? If so the police would be guilty of incitement to crime or whatever the proper term in English is.
Thats the thing Legio , if the police sting operation supplying the suspects with the fertiliser hasn't been done correctly , then then part of the case gets thrown out as entrapment .
What do you mean the cops gave it? They didn't order fertilizer from cops, did they? If so the police would be guilty of incitement to crime or whatever the proper term in English is. As for allowing the perfectly legal trade of fertilizer to take place, then arrest the people after proof of intent of crime had come (when there was proof the fertilizer was going to be used for bomb making), that's the way the police is supposed to act in the ideal case. You can't arrest them before they've shown signs of crime, and it's, except in the case of repeated offenders, pointless to arrest someone after they've committed the crime. If the police knows what they're doing, with good recon and high readiness, the way it was done in this case is the way it's supposed to be done IMO.
The particular group was probably under RCMP servelence for a while and when they made noise about buying fertilizer the mounties set up a sting. Where an undercover guy approached them and offered to sell them 3 tonnes of fetilizer.
@Beirut & lars573: ok, but if there's proof of intent of wanting to blow up large parts of a city, wouldn't that be enough to declare someone dangerous enough for life sentence?
No, only if they had acutally blown up a large part of the T-DOT.
Hurin_Rules
06-05-2006, 18:13
The particular group was probably under RCMP servelence for a while and when they made noise about buying fertilizer the mounties set up a sting. Where an undercover guy approached them and offered to sell them 3 tonnes of fetilizer.
Yep, that's how it went down, I've heard. The RCMP and cops were monitoring the group, and when they went to buy the fertilizer, it was an undercover cop who sold it to them. Once the purchase was made, the cops and mounties swept in and arrested everyone.
@Beirut & lars573: ok, but if there's proof of intent of wanting to blow up large parts of a city, wouldn't that be enough to declare someone dangerous enough for life sentence?
The prosecuting attorney would have to fight long and hard to show that if they were released, even in twenty years, that they would do it again.
Most people declared dangerous offenders are serial rapists and rapist/murderers. The most infamous is Paul Bernado. He was a brutal serial rapist and murderer who terrorized southern Ontario for years. Mr. Bernardo now lives in a 6x8' cell in the dungeon at the Kingston penitentiary. He's locked up twenty-three hours a day. The lights are never turned off and his cell door is right in front of the guard station. Most likely he will die in that cell.
That's what being declared a dangerous offender gets you.
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