View Full Version : al-Zarqawi killed in airstrike
Ser Clegane
06-08-2006, 09:26
I haven't seen this one posted yet:
Airstrike kills terror leader al-Zarqaqi in Iraq (http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/08/iraq.al.zarqawi/index.html)
Very good news - although I would have loved to see him captured alive.
Let's see if this has any effects on terrorist activities in Iraq, but it is certainly very good for moral.
Good riddance, 72 goats for you.
InsaneApache
06-08-2006, 09:40
IRC they did catch him, but let him go. Still, very good news indeed.
Great news. Glad not to have him captured alive. Screw the idea of him being a martyr better than parading him in front of a screwball court like Saddam.
First a video of him being an incompetant then killing him, makes me happy.:balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: Now we need to get Osama finally:wall:
Good news. There was a lot of talk a while back about local insurgents getting fed up with the more extreme outside Jihadis, but being intimidated by their viciousness. I think this successful airstrike is a sign of the balance of power shifting to Iraqis. The report suggests locals tipped off the US/Iraqi authorities.
But I've never believed foreigners are driving the insurgency. The local roots of the insurgency are one reason why I think an early troop withdrawal may help the situation there. Even with the best will in the world, there's nothing like armed foreigners in your country to stirr up a people. Reports from Iraq and Afghanistan show that even foreign troops getting involved in such "innocent" things as car crashes (or falling victim to roadside bombs) lead to violent protests and backlash.
edyzmedieval
06-08-2006, 11:01
I want to see his body to be 100% sure. :inquisitive:
And I still doubt the fact that it will bring a blow to Al Qaeda. A moral blow yes, but a fatal one, absolutely no. They still have Bin Laden. :shame:
But I've never believed foreigners are driving the insurgency. The local roots of the insurgency are one reason why I think an early troop withdrawal may help the situation there.
Nah, keep a minimum of troops at the borders and leave the towns, they are just targets there anyway. Civil wars have the tendency to bring peace, just make sure no foreign power invades when things get rough. This will not go on forever, everyone will be fed up with it at some point.
Geoffrey S
06-08-2006, 11:10
Whatever the effect will be on terrorism in Iraq, that man got exactly what he deserved. Good riddance.
Good news. There was a lot of talk a while back about local insurgents getting fed up with the more extreme outside Jihadis, but being intimidated by their viciousness. I think this successful airstrike is a sign of the balance of power shifting to Iraqis. The report suggests locals tipped off the US/Iraqi authorities.
But I've never believed foreigners are driving the insurgency. The local roots of the insurgency are one reason why I think an early troop withdrawal may help the situation there. Even with the best will in the world, there's nothing like armed foreigners in your country to stirr up a people. Reports from Iraq and Afghanistan show that even foreign troops getting involved in such "innocent" things as car crashes (or falling victim to roadside bombs) lead to violent protests and backlash.
From what I know the leaders of the insurgency are foriegners that have conections to outside funding and training. Especially from Iran, Syria, and the Lebanese Hezbollah but the actual troopers are Iraqis then trained by these leaders.
One of the problems with leaving too early right now is the fear that the Iraqi military while it's so young and in many parts corrupt while use it's shiite majority to exact revenge on the sunnis once the US leaves. That's one of the reasons the US has been trying to recruit former Iraqi army officers of sunni origin into the new Iraqi army so that it's more diverse and checks it's power internally.
The Iraqi goverment has a huge campaign for tipping off insurgents. They use TV, posters, radio to try and get people to come out and tell the goverment who's hiding what where. It's one of the unfortunate facts of Iraq, the locals know who doesn't belong in their neighborhoods but their friends and familiy get threatened and killed by insurgents.
Avicenna
06-08-2006, 11:25
Whatever the effect will be on terrorism in Iraq, that man got exactly what he deserved. Good riddance.
After what he did to those people who were guilty of only being of a specific nationality, an air strike is simply such an easy way for him to go. He deserved worse, at least the chair.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/IraqCoverage/story?id=2052212&page=1
U.S. forces dropped two 500 pound bombs Zarqawi's safehouse. The bombing came at the conclusion of a three-day operation and U.S. forces had tracked Rahman for over two hours as he was dirven to the meeting.
Zarqawi did not die right away, ABC News has learned. He was badly injured when he was recovered by U.S. troops. He then died from his injuries and was handed over to Iraqi officials. Zarqawi was identified with fingerprints, facial features and scars U.S. officials knew he had.
Nobody will miss the guy except Al Qaeda (shed a tear Osama)!
May God have mercy on his black soul.
doc_bean
06-08-2006, 12:20
/me wishes I could search the thread where it said that celebrating/rejoicing over anyone's death on the Org would lead to immediate banning
rory_20_uk
06-08-2006, 12:37
I'm pleased you can't ~;)
We'd loose a lot of people under that somewhat draconian policy.
~:smoking:
Geoffrey S
06-08-2006, 12:54
After what he did to those people who were guilty of only being of a specific nationality, an air strike is simply such an easy way for him to go. He deserved worse, at least the chair.
I don't particularly care. He's dead and can no longer trouble innocent people. Anything extra is unnecessary.
That was a very lame and dishonorable way to kill him in my view.
Taffy_is_a_Taff
06-08-2006, 13:02
That was a very lame and dishonorable way to kill him in my view.
yes, I'd have loved to see him fight a duel.
I'm pleased you can't ~;)
We'd loose a lot of people under that somewhat draconian policy.
~:smoking:
Actually I've seen Tosa post exactly that, that the Org tolerates no celebration of anyone's death. I believe that post was made in regards to Yasser Arafat's death.
Be interesting to see if the rule holds true in this case or the Admins just "look the other way" because it's al-Zarqawi.
Ser Clegane
06-08-2006, 13:12
Be interesting to see if the rule holds true in this case or the Admins just "look the other way" because it's al-Zarqawi.
a) The thread was started by an admin (i.e. me)
b) I see a slight difference between gloating over death of an democratically elected leader of a people on one hand and on the other hand stating that the death of a person who is directly responsible for the brutal murder of numerous Iraqi citizens (and who preferably targeted civilians) is good news
a) The thread was started by an admin (i.e. me)
b) I see a slight difference between gloating over death of an democratically elected leader of a people on one hand and on the other hand stating that the death of a person who is directly responsible for the brutal murder of numerous Iraqi citizens (and who preferably targeted civilians) is good news
If memory serves, Tosa's post stating the Org policy was much less broad and did not include any semantics. IIRC it was "There may be no celebration of anyone's death, period."
Ser Clegane
06-08-2006, 13:34
IIRC it was "There may be no celebration of anyone's death, period."
My interpretation of the posts in this thread would less be that people are "celebrating" (and celebrating already goes too far) the death of a person, but are rather happy about the permanent removal of a threat to the lives of numerous innocent people.
Tosa is no longer an admin. His statement represented his judgement call at the time. It was not formally enshrined in the forum rules. The new admins have to make their own judgement calls. The forum rules say no offensive posts. I don't think saying al-Zarqawi's death is "very good news" is offensive to anyone except certain religious extremists.
Finally some real, tangible good news out of Iraq. With any luck, Z's death will put a crimp in communication and funding or al-Qaeda in Iraq.
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Looks as though this is reall good new for troop morale. This is the picture that the soldiers are supposedly emailing to each other:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Lemurmania/novirgin.jpg
yesdachi
06-08-2006, 13:54
The report suggests locals tipped off the US/Iraqi authorities.
This is the part i like:2thumbsup:
That was a very lame and dishonorable way to kill him in my view.
Agreed, just how I like it. I would have preffered him being raped to death by camals but having him spread out over 5 meters is fine as well. Too bad he must have died on impact, would have been fun watching him trying to put back his bowels.
Alexanderofmacedon
06-08-2006, 13:55
Although this is good news, I'm sort of sick and tired of seeing Bush say things like "This will turn the tide" and things of that sort.
Reenk Roink
06-08-2006, 13:59
Well I'll be... a Ser Clegane thread actually started by Ser Clegane. :tongue3:
Although the point Navaros brings up is valid, there was a precedent set not to celebrate anyone's death, and I was here for the recent incident with the Jewish leader...
Still, KukriKhan's judgement, should he lay it down, will be the deciding factor.
Anyway, I will say that this is a crucial moment in the War on Terror, at least crippling to morale of al-Qaeda and boosting it for us, no matter how al-Qaeda may try to glorify his death...
Taffy_is_a_Taff
06-08-2006, 14:06
Agreed, just how I like it. I would have preffered him being raped to death by camals but having him spread out over 5 meters is fine as well. Too bad he must have died on impact, would have been fun watching him trying to put back his bowels.
I read that they found him alive but terribly wounded. He died soon afterwards. That's what I've heard anyway.
Ser Clegane
06-08-2006, 14:14
Agreed, just how I like it. I would have preffered him being raped to death by camals but having him spread out over 5 meters is fine as well. Too bad he must have died on impact, would have been fun watching him trying to put back his bowels.
And that's the kind of graphic wallowing that we actually do not want to see here.
We may have our reasons to wish for the worst for certain people, however, I would appreciate if wet dreams of graphic violence would not be posted here (otherwise this will be closed)
Thanks
:bow:
And that's the kind of graphic wallowing that we actually do not want to see here.
We may have our reasons to wish for the worst for certain people, however, I would appreciate if wet dreams of graphic violence would not be posted here (otherwise this will be closed)
Thanks
:bow:
Wet dreams of graphic violence, king of kinky = you :dizzy2:
gah, sorry ser the poet in me got the upper hand.
Justiciar
06-08-2006, 14:27
Not worth celebrating tbh. It's good that he's no longer in the picture, but I doubt it will take any great length of time for him to be replaced by an equally messed up individual. The insurgency won't die because he did. :no:
Tachikaze
06-08-2006, 14:50
I want to see his body to be 100% sure. :inquisitive:
And I still doubt the fact that it will bring a blow to Al Qaeda. A moral blow yes, but a fatal one, absolutely no. They still have Bin Laden. :shame:
These kinds of events tend to galvanize violent movements, not destroy them. If I were a US soldier in Iraq right now, I would watch my back.
Proletariat
06-08-2006, 14:58
Yeah, the period of relaxation that Zarqawi's existence brought for US soldiers is now over. Beware, guys.
Leet Eriksson
06-08-2006, 15:38
I thought i read zawahiri :(, but it does help iraq that zarqawi died, not that it matters now unfortunately the place went to hell earlier.
Kagemusha
06-08-2006, 15:53
I wont miss him.Lets see what kind of turns of events this will bring.
Tachikaze
06-08-2006, 18:24
I'm not sure the organizations over there depend that much on their individual leaders. If anything, this may cause a backlash. I'm sure there is a command structure that will fill the gap left by his death. The replacement could even be more active.
DemonArchangel
06-08-2006, 18:32
Good riddance. He'll get his virgins..... just not virgin human women....
~;p
Louis VI the Fat
06-08-2006, 19:26
Excellent, excellent. I have the same feeling that I had when both of Saddam's sons were killed: it satisfies my sense of justice to see them die a violent dead.
I love this bit: 'The most wanted man in Iraq died in a U.S. airstrike Wednesday evening when two 500-pound bombs slammed into a safe house near Baquba'. It's good to see bombs with the names of terrorists written on them hit the bull's eye. It keeps them all scared and running.
rory_20_uk
06-08-2006, 19:31
And redefines the meaning of "safe house"...
~:smoking:
I turned on the news this morning and caught this story midway through. My mom actually told me what happened because she saw it earlier. Good riddens, I'm glad he's dead. Now, we just have to find Osama..
scooter_the_shooter
06-08-2006, 19:48
About time they killed this SOB:2thumbsup: I hope the replacement is not worse though.
Hurin_Rules
06-08-2006, 20:07
Good job. Although, I heard today, that Zarqawi assumed the banner of Al Qaeda in Iraq on his own initiative, and that Zawahiri and Bin Laden have disowned him. So it's not exactly like the head of Al Qaedo in Iraq has been killed. Nevertheless, the neutralization of a man who executed civilians with such brutality is surely good news.
Best analysis I've read so far. (http://www.juancole.com/2006/06/zarqawi-killed-in-baquba-prime.html) Key quote:
There is no evidence of operational links between his Salafi Jihadis in Iraq and the real al-Qaeda; it was just a sort of branding that suited everyone, including the US. Official US spokesmen have all along over-estimated his importance. Leaders are significant and not always easily replaced. But Zarqawi has in my view has been less important than local Iraqi leaders and groups. I don't expect the guerrilla war to subside any time soon.
Kanamori
06-08-2006, 20:24
I'm not so sure that terrorist cells like his are exactly leader dependent. It is certainly a good blow though. With his planning gone, much fewer people will be killed by the cells I think. I also do not think that it is just a matter of time before someone 'replaces' him, they're not exactly government maintained and run military. The cells are just as likely to lose coherency and ability, without somebody to galvanize their actions.
Avicenna
06-08-2006, 20:39
Hmm, since we're talking about bin Laden now. I heard that maybe the Yanks can catch him, but that he has perhaps got a few 'misplaced' Soviet nukes planted all around the USA, which he threatens to detonate if he is attacked or killed.
So, random rumour or perhaps a grain of truth in a pool of lies?
100% rumor. If UBL had the ability to set of a nuke in the middle of the Great Satan, he would definitely do so. Immediately. Regardless of any consequences.
100% rumor. If UBL had the ability to set of a nuke in the middle of the Great Satan, he would definitely do so. Immediately. Regardless of any consequences.
Agreed. That's complete speculation and most likely false.
Avicenna
06-08-2006, 21:26
I guess the guy who told me that was leaning a little bit on the nutty side. He thinks that an average joe can learn how to make a nuke by the age of 3 if taught, and furthermore that that average joe can make a nuke without any kind of government, eg the USA's knowing. (obviously NOT at the age of three by this stage)
A bit of a queer in his view of the world. He's my Chinese teacher who fails to teach any chinese :inquisitive:
A.Saturnus
06-08-2006, 21:45
Good news out of the war on terror lately. First these captures in Canada and new this. I hope this is holding on.
Kaiser of Arabia
06-08-2006, 21:52
Let's Party!
Most likely only a minor step in the right direction but a step nonetheless. I hope he will enjoy the 72 eternal fires roasting him in hell.
CBR
Justiciar
06-08-2006, 23:22
How long before pre-recorded tapes claiming that he isn't dead get thrown out to Al Jazeera though?
Crazed Rabbit
06-09-2006, 00:24
That was a very lame and dishonorable way to kill him in my view.
Twas he who chose the way he lived.
I find it amusing when some say that killing him could be bad because it'll set up a backlash, etc. As if he wasn't doing the worst he could against basically everyone in Iraq.
Crazed Rabbit
mercian billman
06-09-2006, 02:31
That was a very lame and dishonorable way to kill him in my view.
It's not like he lived an honorable life.
discovery1
06-09-2006, 05:36
How long before pre-recorded tapes claiming that he isn't dead get thrown out to Al Jazeera though?
Al-Q CONFIRMS HIS DEATH! EXTRA! EXTRA! READ ALL ABOUT IT! (http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L08233828.htm)
I think giving him an "honorable death" would have been too risky. In the tilme it'd take to send troops to that house and kill him he could have possibly gotten away. Also what better way to show power when the US has and uses the capability to kill a terrorist leader without his ever really having an idea that it's about to happen.
Mount Suribachi
06-09-2006, 09:56
On the news this morning they said his safe house was surrounded by US special forces, and the F-16 pilots were told it wasn't a time-critical-target.
I am kinda surprised they didn't take him alive for the intel he may have provided, but then again, maybe they didn't want another Saddam style trial-cum-farce on their hands.
And redefines the meaning of "safe house"...
~:smoking:
:laugh4: That´s right.:laugh4:
Despite being terrorist he was kind of hero.
He was not afraid of USA and he showed his face to enemies.
And killing him using air strike wasn't too honorable way.......
Ser Clegane
06-09-2006, 12:18
Despite being terrorist he was kind of hero.
He was not afraid of USA and he showed his face to enemies.
And killing him using air strike wasn't too honorable way.......
You must be kidding ... how was he a hero? His main target were Iraqi and foreign civilians. It's not like he valiantly fought the US Army - he fought people who couldn't fight back
He died the way many of his victims did - by a bomb.
Geoffrey S
06-09-2006, 12:20
Yeah, ordering flunkies to go around suicide bombing innocent people sure is heroic and honourable. Why don't more people do that kind of stuff?
Despite being terrorist he was kind of hero.
He was not afraid of USA and he showed his face to enemies.
And killing him using air strike wasn't too honorable way.......
Que?
It's of course a bit of a mess compared to slowly slicing someone's head of but at least he went with a bang. I'd prefer something else but I won't say it because then Ser Clegane starts to say strange things that make him look less honorable like 'wet dreams of graphic violence' and that would be cruel. What would have been good for you, something involving katana's?
The man who is believed to have personally cut the throat of Daniel Pearl and Ken Bigley was no hero. Anyone who thinks he was should count themselves lucky they did not happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and find themselves subject to one of Al-Zarqawi's "heroic" acts. Pensioners, women, opponents of the Iraq war, charity workers, muslims, Iraqis... he did not discriminate. Well, except if you happened to be born Jewish, that would be a bonus to him. Hero? It's hard to imagine a more odious individual.
DevDav says, "The Air Force got him, hooray!!! Air Force Baby!!!"
Thanks Buddy
sure thing ~;)
Seamus Fermanagh
06-13-2006, 02:44
I can think of few instances where death should be cause for celebration.
Is the world, is Iraq, better for these men's absence? Probably so.
I am satisfied that this important terrorist was removed from action, though I am saddened that others died with him in the targeted house (though that is mollified somewhat by the relative precision of the whole effort).
However, we need to work on a means of removing several components of the A-Q leadership structure rapidly if we are to gain some kind of a "decapitation" effect. The leadership structure is a bit loose for any one component to be decisive -- probably even including OBL.
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