You racists thugs....

[InsaneApache]

Here we go again.....


UNLESS YOU’VE been stuck indoors all day — watching the World Cup, perhaps — you’ll have noticed that the flag of St George is flying all over the place. What you may not have realised is that this has little to do with patriotism. The flag wavers are, in fact, supporters of the BNP celebrating their racial pride.

source (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,6-2221289,00.html)

Why are the (white) middle classes so ashamed of their country? It's my opinion that they should either bugger off to another one or think before they opine on the rest of us.

It's the world cup forchissake!!! If you can't celebrate your own land in a footy game it's a poor show.

[rory_20_uk]

Yeah, they all are racist ~:rolleyes:

I've seen people from all ethnic backgrounds with the flags on their cars. To be honest I thought it was a great sight in showing how all groups are viewing themselves as English. Sure, the majority were white. But so what? The country is c. 90% white!

Yes, the BNP have managed to sully the flag with their hate and lies. Surely this is a greater reason for others to fly it proudly.

The swastica was taken from Hindu(?) beliefs. It doesn't mean that suddenly all religious uses of the swastica are suddenly Nazis!

Oh look it was the Guardian... No surprises there then. Why bother with evidence when accusation will do just as well?

~:smoking:

[Fragony]

So waving a flag is now racist as well, glory to the multicultifundi's kneejerk brigade :dizzy2:

[LeftEyeNine]

Fragony, I have just counted and %83 of your posts include "multiculturalism".

(Hey, don't do that back to me, eh ?.. :goofy:)

[Fragony]

Fragony, I have just counted and %83 of your posts include "multiculturalism".

(Hey, don't do that back to me, eh ?.. :goofy:)

Look who's stalking ~;)

[naut]

Thats terrible, why in gods name should people not be able to show national pride!


The swastica was taken from Hindu(?) beliefs. It doesn't mean that suddenly all religious uses of the swastica are suddenly Nazis!

It is used in Buddhism, but reversed and not on the 45 degree angle. But he saw it in a church, it was the symbol of a local saint.

[Tribesman]

From the original article on which the one Apache posted is based ....
Until the "Three Lions" Euro 96 football tournament hosted in this country, the only place the cross of St George was normally seen was at far-right political rallies. The flag has a long association with racism, intolerance and bigotry. In the past decade, though, the symbol has gone mainstream - you can't pass a petrol station without seeing piles of them on sale - and its old link has largely been forgotten. And though many racial minorities in this country are still instinctively repulsed by the cross, some among them have begun to embrace it.


Nothing wrong with that is there .

So ....Oh look it was the Guardian... No surprises there then.
Oh look it was the Times , which is the Sun with big words but no tits , no surprises there then .

[Ser Clegane]

Wow - so all these 30.000 people who were here in Frankfurt for the match on Saturday were in fact racists... :rolleyes:

The horror...

Well, some of them certainly were scary :help: (this is in front of the English fans' "headquarters" - a pub near Frankfurt's main station)
https://img55.imageshack.us/img55/2939/english8ps.jpg

[rory_20_uk]

Sorry I mangled most of the details, but I hope that my point is still of some relevance :sweatdrop:

~:smoking:

[naut]

I feel sorry for the German people of Frankfurt, over 100,000 Englishmen in Frankfurt!

[Ser Clegane]

I feel sorry for the German people of Frankfurt, over 100,000 Englishmen in Frankfurt!

Fortunately they turned out to be quite peaceful - I guess if you have fantastic weather, good beer, sufficient large scale screens to watch the game and then your team wins, it's difficult to be not in a good mood ~:)

[rory_20_uk]

Wait until T&T win... :laugh4:

~:smoking:

[edyzmedieval]

Wait until T&T win... :laugh4:

~:smoking:

T&T?

Oh nooo!!! Nooo!!! I don't want dynamite to rule over the world!!! :help:

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Actually Rory the Swastica is an ancient European symbol which predates the Roman Empire, many modern re-enactment groups have to docter their uniforms to stop a backlash.

As to the flag being associated with racists, well no, it was apropriated by racists. The fact that it actually comes from a Crusader Surcoat is neither here nor there.

[English assassin]

Fact is though the white working class is the one group in this country it is apparently OK to despise. The liberal left always has, it was George Orwell who pointed out an English intellectual is always ashamed by his country. Not that I would dignify janet Street Porter with the tag of intellectual.

As Kipling put it,


For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck 'im out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;

[rory_20_uk]

T&T - Trinidad and Tobago, the Soca Warriors.

Well, it was appropriated by racists, and hence is now associated with racists.

Janes Street Porter has found a great niche where even trying to point out what a myopic biggot she is automatically makes you on of those "middle age, middle class men" she has been knocking for the last 3 decades - and as such somehow proves her "point".

Society has to be advanced to reach a point where people are so sheltered from any perceivable threats that they can attack with impunity the very society that has brought them the comfort and stability that they somehow view as their "right".

~:smoking:

[Red Peasant]

Fact is though the white working class is the one group in this country it is apparently OK to despise. The liberal left always has, it was George Orwell who pointed out an English intellectual is always ashamed by his country. Not that I would dignify janet Street Porter with the tag of intellectual.

As Kipling put it,

The attitude is timeless, for instance just substitute Chav for Tommy.

I've not heard anyone complaining about the flags, they are all over the place here and not all are sported by whites of any class. It's a non-issue to the vast majority of people.

[rory_20_uk]

The common man used to be referred to as "the salt of the earth", and I imagine that most viewed their input into society as important. They built the ships, worked in the factories, and worked in the fields. Without them the country wouldn't function.

Can the same be said about Chavs? No.

Flags are to most a non issue. As are people flying two different flage or one foreign flag. Then again the Guardian can find capitalist gender bias in "good morning".

~:smoking:

[caravel]

Fact is though the white working class is the one group in this country it is apparently OK to despise. The liberal left always has, it was George Orwell who pointed out an English intellectual is always ashamed by his country. Not that I would dignify janet Street Porter with the tag of intellectual.

As Kipling put it,

So very true... I try not to think about it, because doing so makes want to mod my MTW into a "Working Class Total War: The PC do-gooder invasion" and that wouldn't be at all healthy.

The anti social yobbery aren't totally to blame for this, it's mainly due to the do-gooders that are making gross generalisations and fixing labels. If they behaved like this towards other cultures, they themselves would be called racists. It is their sucking up the underclass drop outs of all races that has exacerbated the anti social behaviour issues accross all communities.

As to the Flag, well the BNP stands for British National Party, and their logo consists of a Union Jack flag, not a St George Cross, so these people appear to be confused. The George Cross was always associated with the NF, not the BNP IIRC.

Just because someone adopts a flag and puts it to another, unfavourable, use should the flag then be abandoned and made almost taboo? The media seem to have a license to freely slur the flag of england, yet if anything was said about any other flag, such as the Scots Saltire or the Welsh Dragon, and god forbid any asian flag, there would be an uproar followed by apologies.

I've often seen pakistanis driving around waving the pakistani flag from their cars, much larger than the small england flags fitted to car windows, waving them from the windows to mark the end of Ramadan or some such festival. I expected an overpaid do-gooder to suddenly appear with a clipboard and a few coppers in tow to inform them that 'the working class whites' might possibly be a tad offended by this. Nothing happened??!! Where is my namby pamby do-gooder representation?? I'm just trying to fit in!! :book:

[Duke Malcolm]

Perhaps conversely, racism is rife in the People's Republic. A shop in this city's major shopping centre was selling t-shirts emblazoned with "Anyone but the English", which is also to approach many take to selecting which teams to support in the World Cup here.
Although this racism is for the most part ignored, the CRE did not raise its voice when a politician said they would want anyone but the English to win...

[doc_bean]

Perhaps conversely, racism is rife in the People's Republic. A shop in this city's major shopping centre was selling t-shirts emblazoned with "Anyone but the English", which is also to approach many take to selecting which teams to support in the World Cup here.
Although this racism is for the most part ignored, the CRE did not raise its voice when a politician said they would want anyone but the English to win...

But how much of it is true racism and how much is just neighbourly rivalry ?

We (Belgium) do these things constantly with the Dutch, yet we mean no harm :2thumbsup:

[English assassin]

I don't think its reciprocal enough, or friendly enough, to be friendly rivalry.

A bloke who lives in the next village to my brother (in England) has been flying the Saltaire on a main road for years, with no trouble. Anyone like to guess what would happen if you flew the St Georges cross on a rural main road in Scotland? You'd get through about one flag a day for a start.

[Duke Malcolm]

In a rural area it wouldn't be so bad, the problems would be in the urban areas...

[InsaneApache]

I don't think its reciprocal enough, or friendly enough, to be friendly rivalry.

A bloke who lives in the next village to my brother (in England) has been flying the Saltaire on a main road for years, with no trouble. Anyone like to guess what would happen if you flew the St Georges cross on a rural main road in Scotland? You'd get through about one flag a day for a start.

No no and thrice no. :wall: Saltaire is a 'model' village next to Shipley, built by that altruist Sir Titus Salt.

:sweatdrop:

[Red Peasant]

The common man used to be referred to as "the salt of the earth", and I imagine that most viewed their input into society as important. They built the ships, worked in the factories, and worked in the fields. Without them the country wouldn't function.



You can back even further and substitute Wellington's 'scum of the earth' for Chav or Tommy. ~;)

[rory_20_uk]

Wasn't part of Wellington's outburst as he did not get to fight with many of the veteran regiments of the Peninsular war, who he described with glowing terms?

~:smoking:

[Kralizec]

Actually Rory the Swastica is an ancient European symbol which predates the Roman Empire, many modern re-enactment groups have to docter their uniforms to stop a backlash.

Wouldn't that be Indo-European then? That would explain why it's a symbol in Hinduism too.

Flag waiving has become suspect in some countries (England, but the Netherlands too in some instances), because the general populace generally doesn't bother about waiving flags. Right wing extremists do so very much, hence the association.
So as mentioned, the solution is that everybody should waive flags every now and then.

[Louis VI the Fat]

I'm rather indifferent to flag waving. You can fly my flag with pride or you can use it for toilet paper. I don't mind either.

The typical french solution is to wave the tricolore together with the flag of the EU. It combines national pride with xenophilia. :2thumbsup:

[Fragony]

We (Belgium) do these things constantly with the Dutch, yet we mean no harm :2thumbsup:

We are too busy with the germans to notice you guys anyway ~;)

[Mount Suribachi]

Then again the Guardian can find capitalist gender bias in "good morning".

~:smoking:

Oh how true Rory. When I was at Uni I used to share a house with a bloke called Vince. Vince was a stereotypical, right-on, leftie student. In fact I would go as far as to call him a caricature, very similar to Rick from The Young Ones.

A simple "Good morning Vince" would be retorted with a "NOT UNDER THIS CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT ITS NOT!" followed by a 5 minute diatribe on the evils of capitalism and how we were all being oppressed.....

[rory_20_uk]

Was Vince old enough to experience the "joys" of Labour in the 1950's and 60's? Thatcher's reign was extremely painful, but that was due to the failings of the previous governments allowing the country to get to a point where such drastic action was required.

~:smoking:

[Red Peasant]

Wasn't part of Wellington's outburst as he did not get to fight with many of the veteran regiments of the Peninsular war, who he described with glowing terms?

~:smoking:

That is a later interpretation, one of many. In reality, we don't know what the Duke meant, other than the very words he was reported to have uttered. I believe he meant it affectionately, in soldier's parlance, but he probably did believe that they were the scum of the earth socially.

[A.Saturnus]

I'm rather indifferent to flag waving. You can fly my flag with pride or you can use it for toilet paper. I don't mind either.

The typical french solution is to wave the tricolore together with the flag of the EU. It combines national pride with xenophilia. :2thumbsup:

I have a German and an European flag at my door. ~:)

[Louis VI the Fat]

I have a German and an European flag at my door. ~:)What a happy marriage it is. :2thumbsup:

Stuff everything else, the EU is worth any price just for the honour of being associated with Germany.
What were our ancestors even thinking? :no:

[Mount Suribachi]

Was Vince old enough to experience the "joys" of Labour in the 1950's and 60's? Thatcher's reign was extremely painful, but that was due to the failings of the previous governments allowing the country to get to a point where such drastic action was required.

~:smoking:

No, same age as me, even the winter of discontent would probly have passed him by (my first political memory is Thatchers election being discussed on the lunchtime news).

He's probly boss of a union now, earning 80 grand a year with a private pension scheme and his own chauffeur... :juggle2:

[Husar]

What a happy marriage it is. :2thumbsup:

Stuff everything else, the EU is worth any price just for the honour of being associated with Germany.
What were our ancestors even thinking? :no:
1. If I get you correctly you don´t like that?
2. I don´t know what they were thinking(your ancestors or all ancestors of all EU countries?)
3. Germany is a member of the EU
4. If he said a swastika and the EU flag, I´d worry a lot more.
5. Bismarck:2thumbsup:
6. I´m German and I like the EU
7. end of brainstorming:dizzy2:

[Louis VI the Fat]

I could have phrased that better. No more drinking and posting late at night for Louis. :embarassed:

I meant the exact opposite, Husar. I was trying to express delight at post-nationalist flag-waving in Germany and France. The happy marriage I spoke of is between these two. The EU flag symbolises a love for the foreign, it associates me with the Germany I love and I'm proud of that. For this alone the EU is worth any price.
So, what were our ancestors, meaning yours and mine, even thinking when they marched off to yet another war? Voltaire and Schiller should exchange ideas and poetry, not mud-wrestle each other in a trench at Verdun.

[English assassin]

So, what were our ancestors, meaning yours and mine, even thinking when they marched off to yet another war? Voltaire and Schiller should exchange ideas and poetry, not mud-wrestle each other in a trench at Verdun.

Oh come on Louis, are you French or not? You must know it was all the doing of perfidious Albion. Somehow.

Is it too cynical of me to suggest that, as well as the admirable realisation on all our parts that fighting wars is not a particularly clever thing to do per se, we all realised that we Europeans had a lot more in common with each other when better communication links brought home just how different a lot of the rest of the world was?

And if that is a bit too cynical, lets not overlook what you might call microhistory. Thanks to the delights of package holidays, the British generation that grew up in the 60s was probably the first where traveling abroad and meeting Germans on a beach involved beer and suntan lotion rather than barbed wire and machine guns.

Its a lot harder to go to war against people you have met IMHO. Other than over sunloungers.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Yes, it is too cynical. People don't fight that with which they have little or no contact - they couldn't be bothered - people fight what is close to them, what is in their way. The Sunni's and Shiites in Iraq know each other better than the English, French and Germans. The Serbs, Croats and Bosnians speak the same language, shared the same country even.
So familiarity doesn't breed peace in itself. It takes the added step of a sense of mutual interest, of a commonwealth to breed peace.



Oh come on Louis, are you French or not? You must know it was all the doing of perfidious Albion. Somehow.
Oh dear Assassin, you English still don't get it, do you? We don't blame all the ills of this world on the Anglosaxons.

It is much worse than that.

Blaming Albion is fun, but only to a certain point. For by blaming somebody else, one automatically acknowledges the other's influence. And France couldn't bear the thought of the Anglosaxons as the main actors of history.

Eternal France is the centre of the universe, you all revolve around us. We are the engine of history, shaping the destiny of the world while you, mere spectators, must stand by and gaze in awe at our breathtaking enterprise. :sweatdrop:


In the specific example, evil foreign tongues may whisper that Germany trying to find it's place in the political landscape of Europe was the main reason for the wars that ravaged Europe in the century before the EU. And that Germany's adventures in the east were more important than the events in the west, but we know that French-German hostility was the main European issue that had to be resolved.
When Germany was on it's knees in 1945, we extended our hand to them. Through the French dominated project of the EU, a democratic Germany could finally be peacefully incorporated into the European political landscape, and eternal peace established. Put like this, peace to Europe came the instant France decided upon peace.

[InsaneApache]

So it's all the Frenchies fault then? :inquisitive: :laugh4:

[Husar]

I could have phrased that better. No more drinking and posting late at night for Louis. :embarassed:

I meant the exact opposite, Husar. I was trying to express delight at post-nationalist flag-waving in Germany and France. The happy marriage I spoke of is between these two. The EU flag symbolises a love for the foreign, it associates me with the Germany I love and I'm proud of that. For this alone the EU is worth any price.
So, what were our ancestors, meaning yours and mine, even thinking when they marched off to yet another war? Voltaire and Schiller should exchange ideas and poetry, not mud-wrestle each other in a trench at Verdun.
Ok, then I agree with you.:2thumbsup:

[English assassin]

we know that French-German hostility was the main European issue that had to be resolved.
When Germany was on it's knees in 1945, we extended our hand to them. Through the French dominated project of the EU, a democratic Germany could finally be peacefully incorporated into the European political landscape, and eternal peace established. Put like this, peace to Europe came the instant France decided upon peace

The annoying thing about this is its largely true. And it was indeed a brilliant and radical French initiative to make future wars unnecessary by surrendering in advance...~;)

[Tribesman]

Was Vince old enough to experience the "joys" of Labour in the 1950's and 60's?
Well Rory , if Vince was old enough he would know that it was the conservatives in power most of the time .:laugh4:

[A.Saturnus]

I understood you Louis

[Brenus]

Come on guys!!! How the Cross of St Georges could be the symbol of racism?
St Georges is a Foreigner (Turk/Roman from Cappadocia) who allegedly killed a dragoon. A lot of heroes achieved that. In 1415, he took the job of the local Saint (St Edward, the guy who converted the –future- English to Christianity and THAT was probably a bitter job to do than to kill a very old dragoon, it was more probably an assisted and merciful death the dragoon asked for anyway, than a fight).

In fact St George is THE example how sneaky foreigners come into England and take the job of the locals… He lied (This odious stranger", says Gibbon, in a famous passage, "disguising every circumstance of time and place, assumed the mask of a martyr, a saint, and a Christian hero, and the infamous George of Cappadocia has been transformed into the renowned St. George of England, the patron of arms, of chivalry), came in the country, got his visa under false allegations and got the job. And poor Edward, King of England, who “could not leave his kingdom without injury to his people, the making of a pilgrimage to St. Peter's tomb, to which he had bound himself, was commuted by the pope into the rebuilding at Westminster of St. Peter's abbey, the dedication of which took place but a week before his death, and in which he was buried. St. Edward was the first King of England to touch for the "king's evil", many sufferers from the disease were cured by him. He was canonized by Alexander III in 1161. His feast is kept on the 13th of October, his incorrupt body having been solemnly translated on that day in 1163 by St. Thomas of Canterbury in the presence of King Henry II” was boot out by the pure evil will of Richard Hear of Lion and Edwar5d the III, both having FRENCH :shame: blood in the veins, who imposed this Foreign So-Called Saint against the real but truly only BRITISH Saint, Edward (in 1348 or in 1344 Edward proclaimed St George Patron Saint of England).:sweatdrop:

However, I concede that “For Harry, England and St Edward” isn’t so powerful and Shakespeare’s Henry V should have been modified.:laugh4:

And it nice from the English to support the International Red Cross…:2thumbsup:

[Louis VI the Fat]

Interesting, Brenus. One more addition to the famous list of the British hierarchy: Celtic peasants, Saxon middle-class, French aristocracy, German Kings. Apparently, under a Turkish Saint too.

It so perfectly reflects it's history: the funny constant in British history that the British instantly bow down in subservience to whomever sails to Britain and claims overlordship. Those poor isolated island-dwellers must have been awfully intimidated each time a new wave of invaders appeared with the newest technology from the continent. :no:

[Louis VI the Fat]

Dp.

[rory_20_uk]

Alloys are stronger. Perhaps that's why the British Empire was so impressive and the French one was slowly ceeded to the British.

~:smoking:

[Incongruous]

Aaahh its moving on to the French question is it?

Well for the cross, whatever way you read it, no up himself historian is going to tell the English that st. George is anything but English and a great symbol of england. That is of course except for the Guardian.

[Brenus]

“st. George is anything but English” and Russian.

“British Empire was so impressive”: Yep, WAS.

“French one was slowly ceeded to the British”: Yep, except America, the biggest territorial lost EVER. :frog:
Anyway, the French Empire (the 1st one) was taken by the English thank to the Pit politic and the Louis the XV stupidity and the Regency.

[InsaneApache]

As ever the liberal elite can't tell their arse from their elbow.....


Aki Sadiq, 26, from Bolton, who is in Germany with four white friends, said: “First and foremost, we’re all English, born and bred. Second, we’re all England fans and we’ll sing and follow our team anywhere. I’m a Muslim and I don’t drink with the rest of the boys but it makes no difference. They get legless along with everyone else and I stay sober. At Bolton games it’s me that drives them home.


Up the road at the Taj Stores, an Asian supermarket, a semi-circle of colourful wicker stools was occupied by a group of older men, serious-faced behind their long beards as they watched the same game on a TV screen.

One, Abdul Monaf, 72, explained with a gap-toothed grin that he played football in Bangladesh before moving to England in 1960. “I like England, I’m watching all the games. I have a flag hanging from the window at home,” he said. “Yes, there is still racism in England. People do not accept each other. But the football makes us all brothers.”

In-ger-lund (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2230688,00.html)

May I say that the only racists seem to be the liberal elite who hate poor working class white men,,,shhh don't tell everybody.

[Tribesman]

May I say that the only racists seem to be the liberal elite who hate poor working class white men,,,shhh don't tell everybody.
hmmmmm......interesting .
here follows a small example of Lancashires finest .........Oh warning , this link is a mildish post , but may contain language that some find offensive

http://oldham.proboards3.com/index.cgi?board=guest&action=display&thread=1150112943
For more offensive crap feel free to explore the rest of the poor working class white mens non racist soccer appreciation site .

[Louis VI the Fat]

a boy and a disabled driver were assaulted for wearing England shirts.

The driver, Ian Smith, was dragged from his car in and punched in the face because of his England shirt and the St George's cross on his car.Thing is, these events took place in Scotland...

The brave of heart (http://football.guardian.co.uk/worldcup2006/story/0,,1802684,00.html) attack seven year olds and the handicapped.

[Red Peasant]

Come on guys!!! How the Cross of St Georges could be the symbol of racism?
St Georges is a Foreigner (Turk/Roman from Cappadocia) who allegedly killed a dragoon. A lot of heroes achieved that. In 1415, he took the job of the local Saint (St Edward, the guy who converted the –future- English to Christianity and THAT was probably a bitter job to do than to kill a very old dragoon, it was more probably an assisted and merciful death the dragoon asked for anyway, than a fight).

etc.



Nice post Brenus, made me chuckle. Just one point, Edward did not convert the English, that was a process started centuries before by Irish monks with some help (usually exaggerated) from Rome, by St Augustine. And the English had been calling themselves English for quite some time by Edward's day. (Sorry, that makes two points!)

[Red Peasant]

It has also been noticed that the patriotic waving of flags is confined to the 'lower orders', whether ethnic English working-classes, Bangladeshi taxi-drivers, Pakistani shop assistants, etc, but the upper-classes generally tend to be less enthusiastic, finding such plebeian behaviour a bit 'beneath' them.

[Red Peasant]

Ah well Louis, those who deem themselves to be well-bred learn all of their out-landish fashions from our Gallic neighbours to the south. The poor Gauls, speaking the Latin tongue of their civilised Italian conquerors, yet calling themselves after a Germanic tribe who conquered them in turn. And yet, with all of its additions and natural mutations, at least we still do speak our native Germanic language and bear our Germanic name with pride. ~;) Most of us leave it to the upper-classes to ape the French, they have to be amused somehow. :laugh4:

[Watchman]

Apparently, under a Turkish Saint too.Late Roman really. Got martyred for his faith too, by what I've heard. And dragons go way back in Middle Eastern mythology...

Mind you, he was something of a patron saint of Sweden for a while in the Late Middle Ages too. Something about winning an important battle against the Danes (another loving neighbor relationship there...) with him in the banner, IIRC.

[Watchman]

And yet, with all of its additions and natural mutations, at least we still do speak our native Germanic language and bear our Germanic name with pride. ~;) Most of us leave it to the upper-classes to ape the French, they have to be amused somehow. :laugh4:You're not forgetting the contributions of certain hairy Scandinavian tourists who figured they liked the real estate there are you...? Or a certain bunch of mail-clad Frenchmen on horseback who saw a spare kingdom lying around ?
:medievalcheers:

[rory_20_uk]

Ah well Louis, those who deem themselves to be well-bred learn all of their out-landish fashions from our Gallic neighbours to the south. The poor Gauls, speaking the Latin tongue of their civilised Italian conquerors, yet calling themselves after a Germanic tribe who conquered them in turn. And yet, with all of its additions and natural mutations, at least we still do speak our native Germanic language and bear our Germanic name with pride. ~;) Most of us leave it to the upper-classes to ape the French, they have to be amused somehow. :laugh4:

Yet you yourself use more of the manguage with ln Italian / Latin root than the more coarse germanic root.

Left wing intelligencia sneering at the "upper-classes"?

~:smoking:

[Red Peasant]

Yet you yourself use more of the manguage with ln Italian / Latin root than the more coarse germanic root.

Left wing intelligencia sneering at the "upper-classes"?

~:smoking:

Like I said "with all of its additions and mutations". Linguistically, it is still a germanic language however, its closest relative being Frisian.

[Red Peasant]

Left wing intelligencia sneering at the "upper-classes"?

~:smoking:

You're too touchy Rory, I didn't realise that I was sneering at you. ~;) Anyway, I just like to even things out a little, what with all of the posts and comments on here deriding and sneering at the 'lower orders'. If you can't take it, then don't dish it out old chap. :laugh4:

[Strike For The South]

Yall just wish you could be Texans. Get on a horse dip some copenhagen and get laid by cowgirls. YES:2thumbsup:

[rory_20_uk]

You're too touchy Rory, I didn't realise that I was sneering at you. ~;) Anyway, I just like to even things out a little, what with all of the posts and comments on here deriding and sneering at the 'lower orders'. If you can't take it, then don't dish it out old chap. :laugh4:

As soon as the "lower orders" stop drinking / smoking and having incestuous relationships to learn to read and write and save the money for a PC they are quite welcome here. (I think that's most stereotypes rolled into one!)

I don't mind bieng sneered at in the slightest. I'm quite flattered to be considered one of the upper class. And anyone that uses the phrase old chap is not from the lower orders.

~:smoking:

[Red Peasant]

As soon as the "lower orders" stop drinking / smoking and having incestuous relationships to learn to read and write and save the money for a PC they are quite welcome here. (I think that's most stereotypes rolled into one!)

I don't mind bieng sneered at in the slightest. I'm quite flattered to be considered one of the upper class. And anyone that uses the phrase old chap is not from the lower orders.

~:smoking:

Ahh, obviously irony is lost on you old bean. :laugh4: And remember, there's a difference between 'upper-class' and 'no class'.

Also, I don't smoke, do drugs or have incestuous relationships, although I have been known to dring a flagon or two, and I come from a poor, Liverpool background. Must be the bracing air of the Irish Sea fortifying my morals!

[Red Peasant]

Yall just wish you could be Texans. Get on a horse dip some copenhagen and get laid by cowgirls. YES:2thumbsup:

What?! Eating horse-shit and being laid by cows! You strange fellow. Never trust woolly-backs, even Texan ones!

[Strike For The South]

Im just waitning for everyone else to put ice in there tea. If you can do that for me. Ill be happy.

[rory_20_uk]

Ahh, obviously irony is lost on you old bean. :laugh4: And remember, there's a difference between 'upper-class' and 'no class'.

Also, I don't smoke, do drugs or have incestuous relationships, although I have been known to dring a flagon or two, and I come from a poor, Liverpool background. Must be the bracing air of the Irish Sea fortifying my morals!

Just because one is born in a stable does not make one a donkey. Congratulations from coming so far from such base roots. Roses do come from manure it seems.

How many "lower orders" know such phrases as "old bean" and "old chap"? If there's not a F*ck in there somewhere, they seem to get lost... innit?

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[Red Peasant]

Yeah Rory, it's amazing what they can teach us monkeys nowadays innit! Next thing you know I'll be using a knife and fork! Gorr Blimey! I'm almost a toff! :laugh4: :laugh4:

[Red Peasant]

Im just waitning for everyone else to put ice in there tea. If you can do that for me. Ill be happy.

I've tried SFTS, but it melts damn quick in my brew! :laugh4:

[InsaneApache]

What?! Eating horse-shit and being laid by cows! You strange fellow. Never trust woolly-backs, even Texan ones!

That's woollyist that is. You're a woollyist. :laugh4: