View Full Version : Star Wars vs. Star Trek
The Spartan (Returns)
06-12-2006, 18:17
Doc Bean said:
We have yet to come to Star wars vs Star Trek ! Or Picard vs Kirk !
so i started this topic, Star Wars vs. Star Trek!
anyway i pick Star Wars i like Jedi and i dont even watch Star Trek.
while that Gah option is there can you people tell me what that means? i use it for sentences like: Gah! You disgust me. but i seen people use it for different things. what does it mean?
UltraWar
06-12-2006, 18:21
Star Wars is better than Star Trek
Alexanderofmacedon
06-12-2006, 18:28
I second that.
Space 1999 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_1999) pwns all. And Hyperdrive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperdrive_%28BBC_TV%29) pwns a little.
The Spartan (Returns)
06-12-2006, 18:33
while that Gah option is there can you people tell me what that means? i use it for sentences like: Gah! You disgust me. but i seen people use it for different things. what does it mean?
yes, yes, very good but please answer my quetion too.
Gah! is the Org-standard last option of a poll. As in, "Gah! None of these poll options accurately reflect my opinion!"
AwesomeArcher
06-12-2006, 18:35
yep, got to go with star wars. You cant beat light sabers.
doc_bean
06-12-2006, 18:37
::awaits Trekkies::
The Spartan (Returns)
06-12-2006, 18:46
Gah! is the Org-standard last option of a poll. As in, "Gah! None of these poll options accurately reflect my opinion!"
very good definition Lemur! it should be in the Org dictionary! (not being sarcastic)
doc_bean
06-12-2006, 18:50
We have a dictionary ? :dizzy2:
Uh, Star wars, yes...
Star Trek had a worryingly large effect on real life, but besides the first series is mostly rubbish.
Some of the worst acting I've ever seen has been in Star Trek.
Star Wars acting was wooden too, but at least it had lightsabres and coolness.
The Spartan (Returns)
06-12-2006, 18:56
We have a dictionary ? :dizzy2:
Uh, Star wars, yes...
no that part i made up..
Dutch_guy
06-12-2006, 19:04
Star Wars.
Lightsabers are the best thing since sliced bread, so obviously star wars therefore wins.
:balloon2:
ShadesWolf
06-12-2006, 19:48
Must be Star Trek. (Must admit didnt like the last two series)
TOS
NG
DS9
What could be better. Touches on all aspects of life.
Kagemusha
06-12-2006, 20:19
Star Wars!We need a Darth Vader smiley around here.:book:
Conqueror
06-12-2006, 20:25
This must be the geekiest poll here in the .org ever. In fact, I'd bet it's the geekiest thread here ever!
Anyway, when it's a contest between Trek (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3f/Trekkies_at_baycon_2003.jpg) and Wars (http://www.nautiljon.com/images/conventions/js5/photos/cosplay04.jpg), there can be only one answer from a truly sane and mentally balanced orgah: :gah2:
Duke Malcolm
06-12-2006, 21:01
Star Trek, of course.
The Spartan (Returns)
06-12-2006, 21:19
This must be the geekiest poll here in the .org ever. In fact, I'd bet it's the geekiest thread here ever!
Anyway, when it's a contest between Trek (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3f/Trekkies_at_baycon_2003.jpg) and Wars (http://www.nautiljon.com/images/conventions/js5/photos/cosplay04.jpg), there can be only one answer from a truly sane and mentally balanced orgah: :gah2:
i think Dumbledore vs. Gandalf is more geeky.
The_Emperor
06-12-2006, 21:22
Star trek, I disliked the original series (and the first bits of DS9 but things picked up when the Dominion came along) but loved the rest.
On another note I am also keen on Star Wars but I just preferred Star trek.
Banquo's Ghost
06-12-2006, 21:26
Star Trek, without doubt. It actually has storylines and characterisation.
I think Harrison Ford said it all:
"You can write this **** George, but you sure as hell can't say it."
:2thumbsup:
Mithrandir
06-12-2006, 22:49
Star Wars is for nerds....and for people who can appreciate special effects in a movie.
Star trek is for nerds....period.
crossroad
06-13-2006, 01:14
Star Trek! Star Trek started it all when it comes to sci-fi - The transporter, phaser weapon, warp speed. Gene Roddenberry broke every mold - Women Officers (during the civil rights movement), a Russian Navigator (during the cold war), the coolest emotionless alian of all time (Spock).
But I do have to admit, light sabers are cool.
Zalmoxis
06-13-2006, 01:42
Star Wars.
Lightsabers are the best thing since sliced bread, so obviously star wars therefore wins.
:balloon2:
You stating that does not set a high standard for lightsabers to beat..
Reverend Joe
06-13-2006, 02:46
Star Wars is for nerds....and for people who can appreciate special effects in a movie.
Star trek is for nerds....period.
Wrong... the origional Star Trek is for stoners. The rest, yeah- the other series are the dumbest thing I could ever come up with. Kinda like "Time Tunnel: the next Generation." But the first one is hilarious whilst baked.
But they both lose out to "Space: Above and Beyond", one of the toughest grittiest series ever shown on Cable television. It was really, good, too; yet it only lasted one season. Really a terrible waste of a very good series. Apparently, the lack of stupid, nerdy aliens and even worse, nerdier storylines (*cough* Babylon 5 *cough*) led to its downfall.
Alexander the Pretty Good
06-13-2006, 03:15
Star Wars - no questions.
Star Trek's about a bunch of hippies. "Oh, let's go around not shooting stuff, or something. Anyway, our weapons suck."
yesdachi
06-13-2006, 03:58
I am a big fan of both but I choose Star Wars because it includes tech and fantasy.
A cross over would be sweet!
Star Wars is RTW to Star Trek's MTW.
Stars Wars has great looks and special effects, but is a little light and ultimately unsatisfying. Only the Empire Strikes Back and the last one have any real gravitas and drama, IMO. The rest is just ultimately trite Flash Gordon, Saturday matinee stuff.
Star Trek is a bit clunky and uncool, but has a lot of hidden depth, excellent characters and solid plots. There have been some amazing one-off episodes - City on the Edge of Forever (ToS) and An Inner Light (TNG) come to mind. Plus DS9 had a very impressive central story arc in the last few series.
But ultimately both lose out to Babylon 5 whose 5 year story arc was about the most satisfying thing I've watched on TV.
And the new Battlestar Galactica is shaping up to rival all of them for atmosphere and adult drama.
InsaneApache
06-13-2006, 10:30
Star Wars is cowboys and injuns in space, pure opera. Star Trek at least makes a stab at possible future technology. Remember the plasma flat tellys that Kirk had? Now they are everywhere. Also the 'communicators', now flip top mobiles, just not held up to the ear. Also the 'impulse' drive is based on the Ion (http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/prop06apr99_2.htm) drive.
Anyway Star Trek has better babes :2thumbsup: and Spock. Who can compete with Spock? Even when some alien pinched his brain! :sweatdrop:
doc_bean
06-13-2006, 11:01
meh ion drives are just an extension of current technology, now warp drives (http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/), they're something spectacular.
Also, I suspect the reason we're seeing so much star trek technology in real life is that a lot of trekkies got into product development / engineering. Life imitating 'art'.
Still, I want a damn lightsaber !
Star Wars ... it is more fantasy than science fiction. Plus, it has lightsabers.
Star Trek I can watch, but I only liked DS9, and I prefer my Original Trilogy SW anyway.
Avicenna
06-13-2006, 19:54
Never watched Star Trek, never planned to.
I just watch Star Wars for the sabre fights :tongue:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/illusionario/fight2.gif
The Spartan (Returns)
06-13-2006, 20:25
Never watched Star Trek, never planned to.
I just watch Star Wars for the sabre fights :tongue:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/illusionario/fight2.gif
me too. wah.. never seen that smilie before.
UltraWar
06-13-2006, 20:37
Please add this smiley to the .org database: https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/illusionario/fight2.gif
The Spartan (Returns)
06-13-2006, 20:42
Please add this smiley to the .org database: https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/illusionario/fight2.gif
yea and call it swduel.
The Spartan (Returns)
06-13-2006, 20:44
Please add this smiley to the .org database: https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/illusionario/fight2.gif
wait how did you get that!?
Kralizec
06-14-2006, 02:26
Star trek, I disliked the original series (and the first bits of DS9 but things picked up when the Dominion came along) but loved the rest.
On another note I am also keen on Star Wars but I just preferred Star trek.
DS9 is my favourite series. The other series seemed to focus to much on the old theme discover alien entity/new race, get into trouble, get saved at the very last moment and learn an important lesson. Aside from that it got boring, it was also conceptually flawed- if ships ran into such misadventures that often, shouldn't Starfleet have a loss rate of over 80% per year?
The political intrigues of Cardassia and the Dominion war kept DS9 interesting. Cardassians are my favourite fictional race in any series I've seen, wich isn't many though.
discovery1
06-14-2006, 03:02
Meh. Star Wars is ok, well excluding the first trilogy. Star Trek I don't watch, BUT I HATE TREKKIES!
Papewaio
06-14-2006, 03:57
Also the 'communicators', now flip top mobiles, just not held up to the ear. :
Psst just use speakerphone if you don't want to hold it to your ear...
Papewaio
06-14-2006, 04:23
Star Trek! Star Trek started it all when it comes to sci-fi - The transporter, phaser weapon, warp speed.
Just a bit of science fiction reading, say Asimov and Heinlein and you will see that a lot of these ideas have been around for a longtime.
Movies there is plenty that predate Star Trek, Flash Gordon has already been mentioned.
TV... well even Doctor Who predates Star Trek.
as for me... (http://www.starterupsteve.com/video/Conan-Triumph-Star-Wars.html)
gah
doc_bean
06-14-2006, 16:15
as for me... (http://www.starterupsteve.com/video/Conan-Triumph-Star-Wars.html)
gah
You will die alone !
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
as for me... (http://www.starterupsteve.com/video/Conan-Triumph-Star-Wars.html)
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: oh crap my chest hurts from laughing.
Anyway Star Wars for me.
I voted Gah because I loved Space Precinct, a show that had about one series and then disappeared from the world... I still have all the toys in their original wrappings...(ebay in 50 years maybe?)
Alexander the Pretty Good
06-15-2006, 00:00
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/FiveMinutes.html
Reverend Joe
06-15-2006, 05:23
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/FiveMinutes.html
I refuse to read that. Frankly, I can't believe someone took the time to do anything like that. That is so sad I actually want to cry.
Or is that an urge to laugh? :thinking:
Anyway, that man will definitely die alone.
DukeofSerbia
06-15-2006, 12:29
Star Wars off course. But only the old epizodes, not new (especially Epizode I which is terrible).
yesdachi
06-15-2006, 15:15
(especially Epizode I which is terrible).
Com on, they were great, as long as you ignore the bad acting, stupid characters and poor story. :wink:
doc_bean
06-15-2006, 15:27
Com on, they were great, as long as you ignore the bad acting, stupid characters and poor story. :wink:
...and bad CGI effects !
The Spartan (Returns)
06-15-2006, 15:42
Star Wars off course. But only the old epizodes, not new (especially Epizode I which is terrible).
i liked #3 but the story was a bit boring.
DukeofSerbia
06-15-2006, 18:41
Com on, they were great, as long as you ignore the bad acting, stupid characters and poor story. :wink:
Only story how Republic transformed into Empire is good in the new epizodes. Everything else sucks!
Spectacular effects can't supersede bad acting and boring story.
Avicenna
06-15-2006, 20:22
wait how did you get that!?
From moi :happy:
IrishArmenian
06-15-2006, 21:07
Gah- I have heard of Star Wars. I have never seen either. They sound sci-fi which is not my favorite genre.
yesdachi
06-15-2006, 21:11
Gah- I have heard of Star Wars. I have never seen either. They sound sci-fi which is not my favorite genre.
Shouldn’t knock it until you try it. I don’t know anyone that did not enjoy the first one (a new hope) after watching it. even if it wasn’t their cup o tea.
Only story how Republic transformed into Empire is good in the new epizodes. Everything else sucks!
Spectacular effects can't supersede bad acting and boring story.
It was truely a tragically missed moment.
ajaxfetish
06-15-2006, 23:05
For now I think I'll stick to Firefly for my space fix.
Tragically short-lived, but otherwise fantastic.
Ajax
Reverend Joe
06-15-2006, 23:47
Only story how Republic transformed into Empire is good in the new epizodes. Everything else sucks!
Spectacular effects can't supersede bad acting and boring story.
Whoa, man... we have the same avatar... creepy.
Only story how Republic transformed into Empire is good in the new epizodes.
Yes, I thought Palpatine was the most interesting character in the new episodes - especially, the first two when he was rather understated. They did rather ham him up with special effects in the last one. But even so the way he played Anakin for a fool was impressively evil (playing on his fears; suggesting a cure for mortality but never actually lying about it; alternately appealing to Anakin's ambition, pique, love, rage, pity etc; and then at the end delighting in the irony of Anakin bringing about the one thing he had feared all along) .
Actually, I liked pretty much the whole of the last episode - Anakin and Amidala were mind-numbingly inane, but that aside the dark mood of the fall of the Republic was well done and in some way vindicated the upbeat tone of most of the original three movies.
Gah! is the Org-standard last option of a poll. As in, "Gah! None of these poll options accurately reflect my opinion!"
Talking about Gah! makes me long for those days when Krust is around....:wall:
Papewaio
06-16-2006, 02:12
Tootee have you changed your name?
Alexander the Pretty Good
06-16-2006, 02:20
The best part of the new ones is probably Ewan McGregor's acting - some of the most consistantly solid performances of the whole bunch, in my opinion, and worthy of Sir Alec Guinness.
Ep II was the lowpoint of the new ones, and while III wasn't bad, it is fairly open to criticism (the best being from Maddox on thebestpageintheuniverse.com). Ep I wasn't as bad as is made out to be despite Jar Jar - the Queen didn't get too much screen time and it wasn't like the annoying stuff in II & III. Plus Anankin is just a little kid and not the idiot from II & III.
yesdachi
06-16-2006, 03:41
For now I think I'll stick to Firefly for my space fix.
Tragically short-lived, but otherwise fantastic.
Ajax
Fun series, wish they would bring it back. Did you catch the movie? i liked it, it wasent the best, but i liked it.:2thumbsup:
DukeofSerbia
06-16-2006, 12:04
Actually, I liked pretty much the whole of the last episode - Anakin and Amidala were mind-numbingly inane, but that aside the dark mood of the fall of the Republic was well done and in some way vindicated the upbeat tone of most of the original three movies.
In Epizode III for me greatest disappointing ting is Lord Grivius. He should be the main negative character but he is the most funniest. In cinema kids coudn't stop from laughing when he was in scene. Thanks God, Jar Jar Binx hadn't any role.
Transformation from Republic into Empire seems to be borrowed from Roman history.
In Epizode III for me greatest disappointing ting is Lord Grivius. He should be the main negative character but he is the most funniest. In cinema kids coudn't stop from laughing when he was in scene. Thanks God, Jar Jar Binx hadn't any role.
I did not give Grievious much thought. I think Lucas tends to put in some characters for the kids. Some of these work even for adults (Yoda), others don't (Jar-Jar, Ewoks, etc). It's like taking your kid to a Disney or Pixar movie - some of it is not for you. Maybe Grievious did not sell well with the kids in your cinema but my son thought he was the most interesting character. I doubt kids could root for the other "baddies" in III - a sulky child killer and an ugly-wuggly arch manipulator.
Transformation from Republic into Empire seems to be borrowed from Roman history.
Inspired by the myth, I guess, but maybe that's why it worked, for me at least. There's a "garden of Eden" type quality about a republic (democracy) falling into tyranny that gives it a certain poignancy. It's more interesting to me than the "freedom fighters" win kind of story of IV and VI.
Star Trek's about a bunch of hippies. "Oh, let's go around not shooting stuff, or something. Anyway, our weapons suck."~:joker: :hippie:
true
very true
i vote TREK
B.
Reverend Joe
06-18-2006, 02:48
Okay, I'm REALLY going to settle this once and for all:
KHAAAAAAAAAN!!!
The single greatest, most side-splittingly hilarious case of overacting in acting history. Throw it into any serious moment and people will piss themselves laughing. Particularly when they are baked, but that goes without saying with Stoned Star Trek.
Crazed Rabbit
06-18-2006, 04:38
Trek.
I'm no trekkie, but Lucas shot himself in the foot with the last 3 movies. Several times.
Crazed Rabbit
UltraWar
06-18-2006, 10:14
The best part of the new ones is probably Ewan McGregor's acting - some of the most consistantly solid performances of the whole bunch, in my opinion, and worthy of Sir Alec Guinness.
Ep II was the lowpoint of the new ones, and while III wasn't bad, it is fairly open to criticism (the best being from Maddox on thebestpageintheuniverse.com). Ep I wasn't as bad as is made out to be despite Jar Jar - the Queen didn't get too much screen time and it wasn't like the annoying stuff in II & III. Plus Anankin is just a little kid and not the idiot from II & III.
Hmm... I have 2 versions of Star Wars: Episode 1 Racer...
It's a great game really... only problem is you can't destroy the other racers....
DukeofSerbia
06-18-2006, 11:15
I did not give Grievious much thought. I think Lucas tends to put in some characters for the kids. Some of these work even for adults (Yoda), others don't (Jar-Jar, Ewoks, etc). It's like taking your kid to a Disney or Pixar movie - some of it is not for you. Maybe Grievious did not sell well with the kids in your cinema but my son thought he was the most interesting character. I doubt kids could root for the other "baddies" in III - a sulky child killer and an ugly-wuggly arch manipulator.
Grievious is total mismatch. Like Jar-Jar, Ewoks and similar "kidy" characters. Even Epizode VI showed small degradation, but it was suppotably. Much of my friends are core SW fans and they are disappointed with Lord Grievious and EIII. I only watch the old ones.
Inspired by the myth, I guess, but maybe that's why it worked, for me at least. There's a "garden of Eden" type quality about a republic (democracy) falling into tyranny that gives it a certain poignancy. It's more interesting to me than the "freedom fighters" win kind of story of IV and VI.
I agree. Transformation from republic into empire (like Roman dominate - maybe I wrong spelled) is well done.
Kralizec
06-18-2006, 23:26
Okay, I'm REALLY going to settle this once and for all:
KHAAAAAAAAAN!!!
The single greatest, most side-splittingly hilarious case of overacting in acting history. Throw it into any serious moment and people will piss themselves laughing. Particularly when they are baked, but that goes without saying with Stoned Star Trek.
Star Trek II was good but overrated IMO. The best Star Trek movie of all times is VI: The Undiscovered Country :yes:
Kaiser of Arabia
06-19-2006, 04:45
Gah! is the Org-standard last option of a poll. As in, "Gah! None of these poll options accurately reflect my opinion!"
Actually, it's
GAH! CUT OFF HEADS! MAKE HEAD SOUP! GAH!
Vanya tradition.
Anyway, SW > ST.
This is at least the third thread of this exact topic in the Frontroom in my own recent memory (ie: less than a year).
Not that it's a bad topic, but just I hate how I make huge long posts in the other thread and then they are not there in the new threads about the same thing that spring up. Perhaps the mods should sticky this thread in the Frontroom since it's a recurring topic.
In short, Star Trek is better if you want meat & potatoes; real substance to make you think. Star Wars is better if you want some TV dinners and exciting action (hand to hand fighting action is something that Trek never did well).
Overall, I strongly prefer Star Trek because of it's deeper issues that make you think.
ajaxfetish
06-20-2006, 08:19
Fun series, wish they would bring it back. Did you catch the movie? i liked it, it wasent the best, but i liked it.:2thumbsup:
"I'm a leaf on the wind; watch how I soar."
Ajax
Reverend Joe
06-22-2006, 06:00
Star Trek II was good but overrated IMO. The best Star Trek movie of all times is VI: The Undiscovered Country :yes:
Actually, I hate all of the movies. But that one line is hilarious.
Wait- that was from number two?
...Oh, yeah- it's called the Wrath of Khan! Forgot about that. All I remembered was T. J. Hooker finally flipping his lid and hitting the outer limits of bad acting.
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