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Well not really, no less then 40% (youth) of our most law abiding citizins north-african friends despises us, hate the Netherlands and everything western. Not that we didn't know that already but I guess the multicultifundi's couldn't sweep thus one under the rug like they did with reports of the crime within this group and their taste for white flesh and groupdynamics when consuming it by force. This will probably mean that tonight on the news the 30 year anniversary of the introduction of kebab in the dutch cuisine will be celebrated on our oh so independent television network and another award for our rapper of north african decent Ali B who is extremily popular and not backed by any organisation whatsoever. AdrianII, come in and make yourselve comfortable.
Pssssssssst tribesman: http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article319760.ece/Bijna_helft_jonge_Marokkanen_antiwesters
InsaneApache
06-14-2006, 13:06
That links all foreign. :laugh4:
Ser Clegane
06-14-2006, 13:20
Well not really, no less then 40% of our most law abiding citizins north-african friends despises us, hate the Netherlands and everything western.
My Dutch is not really fluent - but from what I gathered your statement above is (intentionally?) wrong (due to omission) :no:
My Dutch is not really fluent - but from what I gathered your statement above is (intentionally?) wrong (due to omission) :no:
I'll just translate the title: almost half of the maroccan youth is anti western.
Hmmm you got a point, I should have put 'youth' in there, now it is indeed not accurate.
we will always have edit.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/19/nsharia19.xml&sSheet=/portal/2006/02/19/ixportaltop.html
coincidince? Teh magic number 40%
The feeling sounds mutual. Didn't 60% of Dutch people polled recently say Islam was incompatible with Western society? Half expressed fear of it. 10% said they were more intelligent than immigrants.
http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=1&story_id=30545&name=One+in+10+Dutch+people+are+racist%3A+poll
What I find weird is that some immigrants come to the west and then say they hate the west?
We give them a home, money or jobs and then they hate us, if they really hate us, they are free to go back to wherever they came from.:juggle2:
The feeling sounds mutual. Didn't 60% of Dutch people polled recently say Islam was incompatible with Western society? Half expressed fear of it. 10% said they were more intelligent than immigrants.
http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=1&story_id=30545&name=One+in+10+Dutch+people+are+racist%3A+poll
That is correct, the love is kinda gone.
Taffy_is_a_Taff
06-14-2006, 13:44
nevermind.
Mithrandir
06-14-2006, 14:03
What I find weird is that some immigrants come to the west and then say they hate the west?
We give them a home, money or jobs and then they hate us, if they really hate us, they are free to go back to wherever they came from.:juggle2:
They come here, fleeing from war usually.
then they "take" our jobs, the absolute crappy ones, which no one else wants to do, with which they make very little money. From that money we take taxes with which we fund the detaining centres where they are held.
Oh bless us for being so kind.
I'm not talking about muslim extremists, if they have a sincere hatred towards our culture, then they should have fled to a muslim country.I'm talking about the vast majority of refugees.
My Dutch may not be up to scratch either, but here goes :
Jonge Marokkanen zijn in meerderheid tegen het recht op vrije meningsuiting als het gaat om toestaan van kwetsende uitspraken, vooral als het de islam betreft.
"The majority of your marrocans are opposed to the right of free expression when it comes to insulting expressions, especially when it's about the Islam"
So am I. In the Netherlands there are towns where the local authorities have put fines on cursing in public places.This has been so for 50 years and has nothing to do with the Islam. Things like god....... insert any "bad" word there are forbidden. So how's that for the right to say what you want?
Op sociaal-economisch terrein is er een groot verschil tussen de twee groepen. De democratisch actieven hebben een sterke wens om ‘mee te doen’ en hier een toekomst te veroveren, de radicalen zien geen perspectief.
Well, research has shown that they ARE lagging behind, but that's not jsut due to themselves, employers are often more inclined to hire a "native" even if the colored person has a better resume.
oh well. discuss on without me.
"The majority of your marrocans are opposed to the right of free expression when it comes to insulting expressions, especially when it's about the Islam"
In practise that means no critic at all, and if you do it anyway you come on the black list.
Well, research has shown that they ARE lagging behind, but that's not jsut due to themselves, employers are often more inclined to hire a "native" even if the colored person has a better resume.
That is a myth, sorry only in dutch http://www.intermediair.nl/artikel.jsp?id=95778
English assassin
06-14-2006, 14:19
"The majority of your marrocans are opposed to the right of free expression when it comes to insulting expressions, especially when it's about the Islam"
Oh dear, here we go again.
The deal is western Europe has freedom of speech, and that includes the freedom to say things other people find offensive. Its no freedom otherwise. And what is and is not within freedom of expression MUST be objectively defined and not left to the tender sensibilities of those who are "offended".
Provided I do not express myself in a way that may incite violence I should be free to criticise Islam, or any other religion, in trenchant terms if I want to. I might regard belief in an omnipotent deity who takes a personal interest in apparently trivial aspects of your life, such as the length of your beard, as the most childish load of rubbish it has been my misfortune to hear in a long while. I might regard Islam's treatment of women as institutionalised sexism at best, and institutionalised abuse at worse. I should be free to say so. I shouild be free to oppose those who say I do not have the right to say these things.
One thing I really do not understand about the "progressive" mindset is that, having created a "progressive" society, in which we have rights, equalities, separateion of powers etc etc, they have such difficulty in saying that the presence in society of an element opposed to those things is a bad thing. maybe we should get radical muslims to wave the St Georges cross and tattoo NF on their knuckles before they say woman should not have the same rights as a man and that there should be special courts to deal with people who offend against their ideology, then perhaps the Guardian readers would see it for what it is?
If you are white and dislike homosexuals you are a bigot. If you are muslim and dislike homosexuals its "culture".
Mithrandir
06-14-2006, 14:21
In practise that means no critic at all, and if you do it anyway you come on the black list.
Yes, all marrocans have a secret forum which they all visit and put people on the blacklist.They are all conspiring against us white people. ~:rolleyes:
give me a break.
Mithrandir
06-14-2006, 14:24
Oh dear, here we go again.
The deal is western Europe has freedom of speech, and that includes the freedom to say things other people find offensive. Its no freedom otherwise. And what is and is not within freedom of expression MUST be objectively defined and not left to the tender sensibilities of those who are "offended".
Provided I do not express myself in a way that may incite violence I should be free to criticise Islam, or any other religion, in trenchant terms if I want to. I might regard belief in an omnipotent deity who takes a personal interest in apparently trivial aspects of your life, such as the length of your beard, as the most childish load of rubbish it has been my misfortune to hear in a long while. I might regard Islam's treatment of women as institutionalised sexism at best, and institutionalised abuse at worse. I should be free to say so. I shouild be free to oppose those who say I do not have the right to say these things.
One thing I really do not understand about the "progressive" mindset is that, having created a "progressive" society, in which we have rights, equalities, separateion of powers etc etc, they have such difficulty in saying that the presence in society of an element opposed to those things is a bad thing. maybe we should get radical muslims to wave the St Georges cross and tattoo NF on their knuckles before they say woman should not have the same rights as a man and that there should be special courts to deal with people who offend against their ideology, then perhaps the Guardian readers would see it for what it is?
If you are white and dislike homosexuals you are a bigot. If you are muslim and dislike homosexuals its "culture".
The article didn't state that it was about critisism. That's your interpretation.
Racism is also an expression, it's also forbidden.
Mithrandir
06-14-2006, 14:27
That is a myth, sorry only in dutch http://www.intermediair.nl/artikel.jsp?id=95778
Please read the article. It undermines your critique.
It is only about highly educated, 2nd generation immigrants.
It explicitly says it's not the case for 1st generation and marrocan and turkish people, which this discussion is about.
Maar ook discriminatie sluit hij niet uit. Misschien heeft de Marokkaan wel tien keer moeten solliciteren voor hij die baan kreeg en de geboren Nederlander maar vijf keer. Daar komt nog bij dat het cijfers van 2001 betreft. ‘In die tijd kreeg iedereen een baan’, geeft Jan Latten toe, eveneens onderzoeker bij het CBS. ‘Je weet niet wat er gebeurt nu de banen niet meer zo ruim voorhanden zijn.’ ... Hoewel: uit een onderzoek uit 2000 blijkt al dat een kwart van de werkgevers bij voorkeur helemaal geen allochtoon aanneemt en achttien procent dit alleen doet als er geen autochtoon beschikbaar is.
(translation)
"but he also says discrimination is possible, perhaps the marrocan had to try out 10 times before getting a job, while a born Dutch person only needed 5 tries.Besides that, this is about facts from 2001, a time where 'everybody got a job', Jan Latten admits, like a researcher at the central agency for statistics.'You never know what happens now that jobs aren't for the picking anymore'...though: from a research done in 2000 it shows that a quarter of the employers prefers to not hire an immigrant and 18% will only do this where there is no dutchborn person is available."
(/end translation)
you do the math.
Yes, all marrocans have a secret forum which they all visit and put people on the blacklist.They are all conspiring against us white people. ~:rolleyes:
give me a break.
Nah, that is just silly, just half of them :laugh4: In all seriousness, this does show that those 60% that think that islam and democracy cannot really coexist have the right idea. These numbers are extremily worrying to me, just as these 10% of dutchies that have a superiority complex. This all not going very suave.
It explicitly says it's not the case for 1st generation and marrocan and turkish people, which this discussion is about.
It is? Silly me for thinking we were talking about the youth. First generation is mostly retired by now, and most of them don't speak dutch. Article explicitly says that second and third generation immigrants have just as often a job on their level as their native counterparts. Maroccans and Turkish do seem to do a little less good, but that didn't come out of nothing, Turkish mostly solve it within their community though. And don't forget a lot of them don't want to work.
"but he also says discrimination is possible, perhaps the marrocan had to try out 10 times before getting a job, while a born Dutch person only needed 5 tries.Besides that, this is about facts from 2001, a time where 'everybody got a job', Jan Latten admits, like a researcher at the central agency for statistics.'You never know what happens now that jobs aren't for the picking anymore'...though: from a research done in 2000 it shows that a quarter of the employers prefers to not hire an immigrant and 18% will only do this where there is no dutchborn person is available."
But in the end the motivated find them anyway, maybe not as fast fair enough, but it doesn't change the fact that in the end they work on the same level. Shame a lot of them are just not very motivated. But why assume racism? There are also practical things, like the decrease in performance at ramadan for example, they are also more often ill, they are also less likely to hire a woman because they tend to get pregnant.
Mithrandir
06-14-2006, 14:40
In all seriousness, this does show that those 60% that think that islam and democracy cannot really coexist have the right idea.
shouldn't it be 40%? And where did it state that 40% thought that they couldn't coëxist?
It only said that they were opposed to insulting comments.
and most of them don't speak dutch.
You've got proof for that?That's just prejudism
Article explicitly says that second and third generation immigrants have just as often a job on their level as their native counterparts.
Only the people from suriname&the Netherlands Antilles, which both are Dutch speaking countries, hence the difference.
Maroccans and Turkish do seem to do a little less good, but that didn't come out of nothing, Turkish mostly solve it within their community though.
70% is not a "little less good". And as above, the language is the main problem.
Funny how you ignore the fact that it's only about high educated persons.
Funny how you ignore the fact that it's only about high educated persons.
Don't need resumee's to work in the chickenfactory, that is why. But, I once read unemployement in the white lower classes is just as high as it is with immigrants. There isn't a lot of demand for the 'lower' anymore.
shouldn't it be 40%? And where did it state that 40% thought that they couldn't coëxist?
It only said that they were opposed to insulting comments.
Sorry for the confusion, I was talking about the article econ21 posted.
You've got proof for that?That's just prejudism
The first generation hardly speaks dutch, they never needed to learn it. Don't know the numbers so can't proof it.
70% is not a "little less good".
Agreed, but as I said before a lot of them don't want to work. This is relevant: Waar van de autochtone en Surinaamse en Antilliaanse bevolkingsgroepen ongeveer de helft hoger tot middelhoog is opgeleid, is dat bij de Turken en Marokkanen maar een kwart. ‘Dit laat onverlet dat het principe “hoe hoger je opleiding, hoe groter de kans dat je op niveau een baan vindt” ook voor Turken en Marokkanen geldt.
Only a quarter of the Turkish and Maroccans have a medium to higher education, the ones that do fare well. There is also a lot of dropout in the schools, again a motivation issue. And again, there just isn't a lot of demand for the lower jobs, for that is true for the natives as well. Also, that 70% is about working on their level, but a lot of them start small company's which is technically below their level.
Mithrandir
06-14-2006, 14:59
So? If there's no work for them because they don't get employed, it doesn't matter if you need a resume or not.
So? If there's no work for them because they don't get employed, it doesn't matter if you need a resume or not.
It is true for the lower white class as well, I'll try to find the article but it was in print so it may proof to be a bit difficult.
Mithrandir
06-14-2006, 15:20
Don't need resumee's to work in the chickenfactory, that is why. But, I once read unemployement in the white lower classes is just as high as it is with immigrants. There isn't a lot of demand for the 'lower' anymore.
shouldn't it be 40%? And where did it state that 40% thought that they couldn't coëxist?
It only said that they were opposed to insulting comments.
Sorry for the confusion, I was talking about the article econ21 posted.
Will read it soon[/quote]
You've got proof for that?That's just prejudism
The first generation hardly speaks dutch, they never needed to learn it. Don't know the numbers so can't proof it.
So it's still just prejudism.I'm quite at home in the Netherlands, and I know for a fact almost all do, ofcourse not fluent,but enough to get by.
70% is not a "little less good".
Agreed, but as I said before a lot of them don't want to work.
This is noe of the most persistant prejudices! They don't "want" to work??
Show me a research by an respectable institution and we'll discuss further.
This is relevant: Waar van de autochtone en Surinaamse en Antilliaanse bevolkingsgroepen ongeveer de helft hoger tot middelhoog is opgeleid, is dat bij de Turken en Marokkanen maar een kwart. ‘Dit laat onverlet dat het principe “hoe hoger je opleiding, hoe groter de kans dat je op niveau een baan vindt” ook voor Turken en Marokkanen geldt.
Only a quarter of the Turkish and Maroccans have a medium to higher education, the ones that do fare well. There is also a lot of dropout in the schools, again a motivation issue. Again, proof please (this one won't be so hard to find I guess), but this returns us to the language barrier which makes it harder for them to be as succesful as their native counterparts.
And again, there just isn't a lot of demand for the lower jobs, for that is true for the natives as well.
uhm, so ?
Again, proof please (this one won't be so hard to find I guess)
I hope this is what I am looking for, but I have no powerpoint here, I followed a google link. Wasn't that easy at all.
www.amcham.nl/files/File/PPT_2006___website.ppt?PHPSESSID=0a00e568fa0f6d4981c9639eb9d5806c
This is noe of the most persistant prejudices! They don't "want" to work??
Show me a research by an respectable institution and we'll discuss further.
Well I am talking from personal experience, I know of no such study. I have been a manager for a recruiting agency and I found most to be extremily unriable workers, often late, often sick, and unwilling to do anything that wasn't in the job description. Turkish were a lot better though.
do have this for you, it's about them being sick more,
taalachterstand, ziektebeleving, aanleiding geven tot de verklaring van een eventueel andere, hogere instroom van allochtone verzekerden in de WAO ten opzichte van autochtone verzekerden met een laag opleidingsniveau.
Not really what you asked for, but it does show that they are more likely to stay home when they catch a cough.
http://cba.uwv.nl/cba/opencms/CBA/module7/Verschillen_in_WAO/03.html
uhm, so ?
So it has little to do with discrimination.
English assassin
06-14-2006, 16:24
Racism is also an expression, it's also forbidden.
Err, not in the UK its not. You won't make any friends, but expression of a racist opinion is not against the law. We try not to do thoughtcrime here.
doc_bean
06-14-2006, 16:29
It's forbidden here.
denying the holocaust ever happened is strictly forbidden, I think they can even throw you in jail for that...
It's forbidden here.
Bit strange then that you have a political party where only arabs are allowed to join. Hehe, it took one hot secret service chick to really 'screw' them here :laugh4:
doc_bean
06-14-2006, 18:34
Bit strange then that you have a political party where only arabs are allowed to join. Hehe, it took one hot secret service chick to really 'screw' them here :laugh4:
What the ? Are you talking about the AEL or whatever that was ?
I don't follow every political fringe group in Belgium :embarassed:
I think there will be a "war" in parts of Europe at the end of this multiculti line.
Things are getting worse and worse.
Tribesman
06-14-2006, 19:05
hmmmm.....Fragony on about immigrants ....again .
from what I gathered your statement above is (intentionally?) wrong
The article didn't state that it was about critisism. That's your interpretation.
Please read the article. It undermines your critique.
shouldn't it be 40%? And where did it state that 40% thought that they couldn't coëxist?
It only said that they were opposed to insulting comments.
You've got proof for that?That's just prejudism
Funny how you ignore the fact
This is noe of the most persistant prejudices! They don't "want" to work??
Show me a research by an respectable institution and we'll discuss further.
So just the usual rubbish about multiculchies again , what a surprise .
Pssssssssst tribesman:
No need Frag , you have already shown that your "proof" and "facts" are not proof or fact:juggle2:
A.Saturnus
06-14-2006, 21:11
Jonge Marokkanen zijn in meerderheid tegen het recht op vrije meningsuiting als het gaat om toestaan van kwetsende uitspraken, vooral als het de islam betreft.
Politici, denken ze, zijn bang voor de islam en proberen die de kop in te drukken. Zelf zijn ze ‘actiebereid’ als het gaat om de verdediging van hun geloof. De meerderheid wil dit doen met legale middelen. Zes tot zeven procent is bereid geweld te gebruiken.
Ahh, if you think that freedom of speech has limits which include the protection of religion, you're anti-western. Hmm, that means that a number of German conservative politicians and in fact the BGB (German civil law) are anti-western. Who would have thought.
And the article also says that 93-94% of all immigrants intend to live here peacefully, no matter what. You're right, I think it's really good news.
Things are getting worse and worse.
Yeah, with Fragony's arguments...
Mithrandir
06-14-2006, 21:24
Yeah, with Fragony's arguments...
:laugh4: :laugh4:
They come here, fleeing from war usually.
then they "take" our jobs, the absolute crappy ones, which no one else wants to do, with which they make very little money. From that money we take taxes with which we fund the detaining centres where they are held.
Oh bless us for being so kind.
I'm not talking about muslim extremists, if they have a sincere hatred towards our culture, then they should have fled to a muslim country.I'm talking about the vast majority of refugees.
And noone ever blames countries which don´t take refugees at all?
I never blamed anyone for taking my job, I am as nice to room cleaners as I am to everyone else and I am grateful for them doing their job.
But if I am expected to differentiate between terrorists and usual immigrants, then I can expect those immigrants to differentiate between our government and some nazis/rightwingers who screw up and the rest of the german(or whatever other country) people, can´t I?
If they hate the whole population of the host country, they are doing exactly what they expect us not to do.:oops:
And the article also says that 93-94% of all immigrants intend to live here peacefully, no matter what. You're right, I think it's really good news.
That is one way to interpet that 7% is willing to 'defend islam' with violence. God and then they say I am a statistics bender.
Samurai Waki
06-15-2006, 09:57
I'm going to get Moroccan Citizenship, Complain about how dirty it is and that my freedom of expression is limited, then fly to the Netherlands, get citizenship and demand that they revoke my right of speech and that the government needs to take down all religious symbols except the star and crescent and the American Flag because that infringes on my right to freedom of religion and nationalism that I have to put up with looking at the crappy Christian Crosses and the Dutch Flag just doesn't have enough Modern Flair.
doc_bean
06-15-2006, 10:07
That is one way to interpet that 7% is willing to 'defend islam' with violence. God and then they say I am a statistics bender.
Meh, defend against what ? If we forced conversion on them ? If we blew up all mosques ? If we forced everyone to eat pork on friday ?
Seriously, 7% that can up a worst case scenario in which they would defend their cultural heritage and religion is certainly not much. 93% is essentially saying **** Islam, it's tradition but I don't really care about it.
And being anti-western ? What does that mean ? Anti-McWhatever, anti-iPod rage, anti-work-hard-and-long-hours ?
Pfff polls and statistics, they rarely prove anything.
They already feel that islam is under attack. This isn't good at all, 40% rejects the west (can this be interpeted that they want the sharia, like they do in england?), and 7% is willing to take up arms. Well let's look at the bright side, 50% of them at least doesn't detest us, champagne anyone? This really calls for a party :wall:
Mithrandir
06-15-2006, 10:21
And noone ever blames countries which don´t take refugees at all?Yes they do, why do you ask?
I never blamed anyone for taking my job, I am as nice to room cleaners as I am to everyone else and I am grateful for them doing their job.
:2thumbsup: an aquitence of mine is a roomcleaner. She's as arien as one can get, blond hair blue eyes and looks lovely.
But if I am expected to differentiate between terrorists and usual immigrants,
Where did the terrorists come into this equasion ? Seriously, this is nonsense (you may insert a totally different word there, but I don;t want to create dirty work for the moderators here, even though you'll probably be nice to them ~;).
then I can expect those immigrants to differentiate between our government and some nazis/rightwingers who screw up and the rest of the german(or whatever other country) people, can´t I?This wasn't the point, the point was exactly the opposite. That there are some right wing groups who want to do the same, limit freedom of expression.
If they hate the whole population of the host country, they are doing exactly what they expect us not to do.:oops:
:dizzy2: Where did the article say that? And where did it say that they expected the opposite from us ?
Really , it seems to me this discussion is going nowhere, everytime of of your arguments gets refuted, you guys turn the discussion in a completely different direction.:no:
Really , it seems to me this discussion is going nowhere, everytime of of your arguments gets refuted, you guys turn the discussion in a completely different direction.:no:
Such a thing would look like this,
Well, research has shown that they ARE lagging behind, but that's not jsut due to themselves, employers are often more inclined to hire a "native" even if the colored person has a better resume.
please blame me, I *sniff* excluded them..... socially :shame:
doc_bean
06-15-2006, 10:45
They already feel that islam is under attack. This isn't good at all, 40% rejects the west (can this be interpeted that they want the sharia, like they do in england?), and 7% is willing to take up arms. Well let's look at the bright side, 50% of them at least doesn't detest us, champagne anyone? This really calls for a party :wall:
When a guy recent shot a Malinese woman (and a little, white, baby) because of his hate for *immigrants* several people were saying he had had the right idea and that he should have shot more. We had a protest march recently against 'senseless violence' and some people said the people participating should be shot too.
Now, wouldn't you reject a society were a large percentage wanted you dead ? :wall:
EDIT: I should have added: Is Islam under attack ? Yes it is.
When a guy recent shot a Malinese woman (and a little, white, baby) because of his hate for *immigrants* several people were saying he had had the right idea and that he should have shot more. We had a protest march recently against 'senseless violence' and some people said the people participating should be shot too.
Now, wouldn't you reject a society were a large percentage wanted you dead ?
Oh these people can go screw themselves, give them a white colony somewhere on antartica. That was pretty ugly, and the politics afterwards was pretty ugly too. But I do wonder, what was there first, the chicken or the egg.
EDIT: I should have added: Is Islam under attack ? Yes it is.
et tu brute?
Mithrandir
06-15-2006, 11:08
Such a thing would look like this,
please blame me, I *sniff* excluded them..... socially :shame:
On the contrary, my responses are always in reaction to yours. I'll wont respond anymore, your attitude annoys me.
doc_bean
06-15-2006, 11:17
Oh these people can go screw themselves, give them a white colony somewhere on antartica. That was pretty ugly, and the politics afterwards was pretty ugly too. But I do wonder, what was there first, the chicken or the egg.
We've 'imported' people to serve as an underclass, that didn't work out quite as we planned. People are now getting pissed they are lower on the social ladder than immigrants. I once told my girlfriends little brother (who's ten) that he should become a plumber since then he'd make a lot of money. His answer: "No let's some Lithuanian do that". We look down on immigrants, and it has come to bite us in our arses. They want a chance at a decent job too.
Now, there's the other side of it too of course, the PC police, who made sure that crying racism would get you out of any situation if you are an immigrant. So now we have a lot of poor kids who can barely be touched by the law. That's not asking for trouble, that's begging for it.
EDIT: I should have added: Is Islam under attack ? Yes it is.
et tu brute?
Please, at least here several prominent politicians have made statements against Islam. The whole head scarf thing was a with hunt, wtf have head scarfs ever done to us ? My grandmother wore one when she went outside. We also had an election on one of the holiest days of Islam, forcing all 'faithfull' to let other people vote for them. Now I'm not saying we should adapt ourselves to Islam to the extreme as some of the PC police seem to want it. But having an election a week earlier or later doesn't seem so hard to me...
Of course, most damage is once again done by the PC police, who feel the need to remove anything that 'might offend'.
But don't blame the immigrants for our idiots, please.
We've 'imported' people to serve as an underclass, that didn't work out quite as we planned. People are now getting pissed they are lower on the social ladder than immigrants. I once told my girlfriends little brother (who's ten) that he should become a plumber since then he'd make a lot of money. His answer: "No let's some Lithuanian do that". We look down on immigrants, and it has come to bite us in our arses. They want a chance at a decent job too.
Now, there's the other side of it too of course, the PC police, who made sure that crying racism would get you out of any situation if you are an immigrant. So now we have a lot of poor kids who can barely be touched by the law. That's not asking for trouble, that's begging for it.
Please, at least here several prominent politicians have made statements against Islam. The whole head scarf thing was a with hunt, wtf have head scarfs ever done to us ? My grandmother wore one when she went outside. We also had an election on one of the holiest days of Islam, forcing all 'faithfull' to let other people vote for them. Now I'm not saying we should adapt ourselves to Islam to the extreme as some of the PC police seem to want it. But having an election a week earlier or later doesn't seem so hard to me...
Of course, most damage is once again done by the PC police, who feel the need to remove anything that 'might offend'.
But don't blame the immigrants for our idiots, please.
Fair enough, that is where I also stand as when it comes with how to deal with it. Islamic women are free to wear a headscarve (burqua I consider a provocation though) but a company should have the freedom to not hire someone because of them wearing it. qui pro quo. A little addition, I am talking urban problems here, radical islam has little to do with it.
I'll wont respond anymore, your attitude annoys me.
sorry didn't mean to.
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Edit by Ser Clegane: I simply cannot believe that something like that is being posted here
Luuk Koelman
Yes they do, why do you ask?
:2thumbsup: an aquitence of mine is a roomcleaner. She's as arien as one can get, blond hair blue eyes and looks lovely.
Where did the terrorists come into this equasion ? Seriously, this is nonsense (you may insert a totally different word there, but I don;t want to create dirty work for the moderators here, even though you'll probably be nice to them ~;).
This wasn't the point, the point was exactly the opposite. That there are some right wing groups who want to do the same, limit freedom of expression.
:dizzy2: Where did the article say that? And where did it say that they expected the opposite from us ?
Really , it seems to me this discussion is going nowhere, everytime of of your arguments gets refuted, you guys turn the discussion in a completely different direction.:no:
Erm, thanks for pointing out my stupidity, but I never said all room-cleaners are immigrants, it was an example and if you didn´t notice, I don´t approve of right wing groups which want to limit freedom of expression. But I also don´t like people coming here, wanting to change everything or starting to hate us. There are poor poor people of every origin here, even Germans, so the reason immigrants are poor doesn´t necessarily be that they are immigrants, it may also be their low education, Germans with low education have very similar problems getting a job, but then again I am probably missing the point again and better won´t come here again.:dizzy2:
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