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The senate just informed me that I have too have my faction leader commit suicide..I accepted. The penalty was being a outlaw, and the death was instant. The man was 77, old old man. He had the virtue "in the pink".
What a sad way to go....
Papewaio
06-20-2006, 07:03
That is normally a very large hint to rebel...
I probaly wouldve. Just I had no standing army in Italy at this time. I have 1 in upper gaul and another one in brittania (finishing off the chariot riding britons) 2 in egypt (ironically with both egyptian generals) finishing off the egyptians. , other then that, nothing. So basically im not ready yet.
Then you´d better call backyour armies to Italy, or raise new ones. From what I´ve read (I´ve never had the Senate dislike me enough to order my leader to commit suicide - how do you do it?) the suicide will only give you a couple of turns before the Senate will request the next sacrifice of a leader.
I've never been ordered to suicide either, but I've heard the same thing. Within a couple of turns, your new faction leader will be ordered to suicide. Get those armies back ASAP!
Garvanko
06-20-2006, 15:16
You know things are a bit shakey with the senate when they start threatening to investigate your faction's finances.
I would never accept assassination of my faction leader. We are a family, after all.
The Spartan (Returns)
06-20-2006, 15:25
anyway if you read Froggy's guide i think she said if you accept they will ask again soon. (to make your faction leader commit suicide)
IrishArmenian
06-20-2006, 15:33
I have been asked to do this, but I rejected them. I was the Scippii with large armies in Carthage and Sicily, so I just left a couple of people there and picked the good units out of the two armies. Of course, this is after the Marian Reforms, so it was much easier because the Senate still has Hastati and Velites and that sort of stuff.
Your right, the asked again. I couldnt do it this time because he's a 8 star general of mine. The war is a bit shaky, I managed to scrap together a 4 star general and his bandit-destroying army (gladiators, praetorians, and arcani) and am making it a full fledged legion. The senate is kicking my ass at sea, and brutii are threatning my bases in the middle east. I have bribed 2 of brutii commanders (did you know that if you bribe the romans and you are a roman, you will get ALL units?) and bribed a army going towards pavatium.
The Senate gives you a beating at sea? I´ve never seen them having even one ship, much less enough for a naval victory.
(did you know that if you bribe the romans and you are a roman, you will get ALL units?)
And yes, that´s well known. If you bribe an army all units you can recruit yourself (I think this includes mercenaries, but I´m not sure there) will join you, and of course, if you´re Roman, then you can keep all units of a bribed Roman army.
GeneralHankerchief
06-21-2006, 15:02
The Senate gives you a beating at sea? I´ve never seen them having even one ship, much less enough for a naval victory.
You kidding? In the earlier patches the Senate had a bunch of small navies with 2-3 star admirals in each. It made my life heck as Egypt and Macedon.
I'm not sure about 1.5, but I'm doing a Scipii campaign in it now and the civil war is looming so I'm sure to see some navy if they have one... and take 'em out with my Deceres. :evil:
The senate doesnt have small navys. They have 16 unit ones with 2 star generals. Insane amounts.
Anyway, I beat the brutii back to the defensive (and anatolia revolted against him) and took kydonia, croton, and that one other city in italy. And beat the senate army.
Interesting thing happened though, I made peace with the scipii and senate, only to have the senate demand my faction leader death AGAIN and the scipii betray me (allys with both). Since everyone got outlawed, the senate has to pick its own numbers to fill up the senate list...so what do they do? Create 6 brand new family members out of nowhere ( I bribed 4, they are now governing gaul).
Egypt's finally dead :juggle2:
I can´t remember a Senate navy in my 1.2 games, nor in my 1.5 ones. Not that I mind, naval combat isn´t what I got RTW for, after all, and ultimately, the war is decided on land.
The sea is clearing up though. Every roman faction had heavy amounts of ships everywhere doing nothing.
Never ever make peace with the Senate. Once the civil war starts, take them out. They should only have a single province unless you've given them others. Take Rome and they're gone.
Some people have reported buggy issues involving making peace with the other roman families once the war starts. Supposedly if it happens, it'll leave you in a position where the game won't allow you to attack them, but they'll be able to attack you freely, so I don't recommend that either. In most of my experiences the game ends shortly after the start of the civil war anyway, so it's not really important.
Im trying to make peace with the senate. Maybe I can make a breakthrough and it will be like it was at the start of the game. Im avoiding them for right now, but once the scipii and the brutii go down ill experiment by making low quality generals my heirs and letting them get killed, maybe sooner or later the senate rating in the senate floor goes up. (who knows, its a test)
Comrade Alexeo
06-23-2006, 09:49
Why not just sack Rome and be done with the Senate?
I did that with both my Roman campaigns (first one - Scipii and last one before EB - Julii); once my offensives abroad began going well, I simply started building an elite army in Italy and just had them sit in a fort next to Rome until the Civil War began. In the case of my Scipii campaign, I already had the 50 territories so taking Rome meant winning the campaign. As for the Julii campaign, I was smart enough to recruit a second legion to attack the Brutii once the war started as well, and I had to money to bribe away all their forces...
In my case as the Julii, I simply ignored the Scipii completely (they were busy with Egypt) and just conquered the Brutii settlements in Greece with my armies already roaming Europe... but seeing as you're in Egypt for some reason...
Post up a screenshot of your map so we can see what you own.
Iv gone far with teh game, conquered alot of roman territory. Maybe someone can enlighten me on how to take screenshots and post them on .org?
:help:
you could get "fraps", google it and download. It can take screenshots and videos. Then upload and post. Or you could just hit the print screen, alt-tab out of game, hit ctrl-v in paint, then upload and post. Their all deadly.
Severous
06-24-2006, 07:15
Screenshots. Yes please. I look forward to those and your research Holybandit.
I use the MSPaint method. Didnt need to download anything. Windows has 'Paint' as standard. Its listed as one of the programs in the 'accessories' section.
Take screens using 'PrtSc' button thats in the top right area of most keyboards. Then alt-tab to MSPaint and 'paste' the screenshot there. Save the image with a suitable name and, importantly, as a jpeg type of file.
Then you have to find a place on the internet to host your picture. None of the RTW forums store your pictures...you have to find somethere to do that. I use Imageshack. Free..over 2000 images...occassionally slow. Its funded by adverts that are not obtrusive. It provides a wide range of links which you copy and paste into this forum. I like the thumbnail links it provides.
My longest ever post is below. It has loads of pictures. It is also 'on topic' as it was my first ever leader suicide. As you will see it was my cue to march on Rome.
http://rtw.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/forums/display.cgi?action=ct&f=10,2359,0,all
Slicendice
07-19-2006, 16:24
I've had it happen. I used a small force to attack Rome while their guard was to far away to assist. I put spies inside the city and rushed in.
When they told me to kill my leader I knew I had to rebel.
I still wonder under which conditions you get outlawed. I´ve never, ever managed it so far (five games with different Roman families so far). Neither did any other faction, by the way. The worst I got was Senate popularity down to three icons when I had about thirty provinces. After that it rose again, although my popularity with the plebs is so hight that it can´t be displayed anymore.
I fail missions, I have troops standing in countries where they shouldn´t be, I´m the richest, the most powerful, bigggest, whatever, name it, it´s true. And still the Senate won´t threaten me :furious3:. Of course I could march in and take Rome over, dito the other families, or trying to assasinate my fellow Romans, but that´s cheating.
I´ve tried blitzing, I´ve tried slow-going, I´ve tried building up massive armies, I´ve tried getting fabulously rich, I´ve tried failing the missions, I´ve tried going against Senate policy, all to no avail. And I play on VH campaign difficulty, of course. What do I do wrong - I must be doing something wrong, others got their leader asked to commit suicide, why not me :wall: ? I thought the challenge of the game was supposed to be to avoid or survive the wrath of the Senate, not earing it.
ByzantineKnight
08-09-2006, 03:26
I still wonder under which conditions you get outlawed. I´ve never, ever managed it so far (five games with different Roman families so far). Neither did any other faction, by the way. The worst I got was Senate popularity down to three icons when I had about thirty provinces. After that it rose again, although my popularity with the plebs is so hight that it can´t be displayed anymore.
I fail missions, I have troops standing in countries where they shouldn´t be, I´m the richest, the most powerful, bigggest, whatever, name it, it´s true. And still the Senate won´t threaten me :furious3:. Of course I could march in and take Rome over, dito the other families, or trying to assasinate my fellow Romans, but that´s cheating.
I´ve tried blitzing, I´ve tried slow-going, I´ve tried building up massive armies, I´ve tried getting fabulously rich, I´ve tried failing the missions, I´ve tried going against Senate policy, all to no avail. And I play on VH campaign difficulty, of course. What do I do wrong - I must be doing something wrong, others got their leader asked to commit suicide, why not me :wall: ? I thought the challenge of the game was supposed to be to avoid or survive the wrath of the Senate, not earing it.
from the times ive played it seems the people like you if you attack and capture lots of stuff, and the senate only likes you if you dont attack unless they tell you to. that includes moving into enemy territory, i get the Kill my faction leader thing just about every game i play, cuz i just attack without the senate's approval ~:) and who likes the senate anyway they tell us what to do and all its like ~:argue: i like wiping them off the face of the earth.~;)
Celt Centurion
08-12-2006, 19:04
I've had the order to have my Faction leader commit suicide quite often, pretty much every game that I'm a Roman Faction, and have won the "short" campaign. There was one time however, when it did not happen till about 30 or so BC. By then, I had won the "short" campaign, and had nearly 40 territories.
The order is quite simple, the tile tell you to have your faction leader commit suicide, and there is a place to click "accept or reject." If you accept, your Faction Leader dies instantly. If you reject, you are immediately outlawed, and the Senate, and both other Roman factions begin attacking you immediately. I havein the past, accepted the mission, but soon learned, that then they tell you to have your new Faction Leader commit suicide as well, and the next new one, and so forth, which will cause your family to die out.
Your family members all commit suicide, and then a Faction Destroyed tile comes up, referring to your faction.
What I do now, is have two large armies with fully upgraded armor, waiting in Forts near the border furthest from the one adjoining Rome, and when the mission comes to commit suidide, I refuse, and immediately dispatch the armies to Besiege Rome. The Senate will usually have 2-3 full stacks by then, One with after Marius troops, maybe two, and they will usually have "silver armor." There will usually be a third, consisting of Pre-Marius units inside the wall. I have always had to destroy the two "stonger" ones first, and the last one inside the wall doesn't seem quite as tough. Once, they made it really easy, by all three armies attacking me, outside the walls, and instead of all three at once, it was one at a time, giving me a chance to reform before they made contact.
From Refusing the Suicide Order to becoming Imperator, was two turns.
Strength and Honor,
Celt Centurion
Then you´d better call backyour armies to Italy, or raise new ones. From what I´ve read (I´ve never had the Senate dislike me enough to order my leader to commit suicide - how do you do it?) the suicide will only give you a couple of turns before the Senate will request the next sacrifice of a leader.
Celt Centurion
08-12-2006, 19:20
The Senate gives you a beating at sea? I´ve never seen them having even one ship, much less enough for a naval victory.
And yes, that´s well known. If you bribe an army all units you can recruit yourself (I think this includes mercenaries, but I´m not sure there) will join you, and of course, if you´re Roman, then you can keep all units of a bribed Roman army.
That doesn't include Mercenaries, but I have bribed lots of Roman Armies after the Civil War has begun. In a recent campaign, they kept telling me that in effect, I didn't have enough money, and I had over 80,000 available. As an experiment, I saved the game, added money, about 300,000 more, and then they said they would for about 280,000. I then agreed to the bribe price to find that there were only about a dozen units in the stack, and many of those turned out to be as low as 40 % strength, with inferior armor, or none at all.) Before I could use them effectively, I would have to retrain all of them up to strength and upgrade their armor. So, then I knew that bribing in that campaign was not going to happen without cheating in the money dept. It would be faster to do that, but much less expensive to train up my own units. Besides, I don't like to "add money." I closed out, and went back to the saved game, and kicked their butts.
Strength and Honor,
Celt Centurion
Pontifex Rex
08-16-2006, 03:39
I´ve tried blitzing, I´ve tried slow-going, I´ve tried building up massive armies, I´ve tried getting fabulously rich, I´ve tried failing the missions, I´ve tried going against Senate policy, all to no avail. And I play on VH campaign difficulty, of course. What do I do wrong - I must be doing something wrong, others got their leader asked to commit suicide, why not me :wall: ? I thought the challenge of the game was supposed to be to avoid or survive the wrath of the Senate, not earing it.
Ummm,...from the three odd years of playing this game I always maneuver to destroy the Senate, *that* is the point of the game. You want to get strong enough to gain the support of the mob, weaken the other families, put yourself in position to start and then finish the civil war and then become Emperor.
There is no glory or lasting fame in being a minor player within a powerful family of the Roman Republic. Fame and lasting glory comes by becoming a dictator and having statues and coins made of you, Vestal Virgins offered to you and an empire in your hands to rule. Once you have accomplished that,...
....load up BI and try to defend the bl#ody thing :laugh4:
Of course it is, though my expectancy for the gameplay was (or rather still is) that on your road to that goal the Senate and the other factions don´t just sit there idle but bunch up against you (as in "increase the challenge of the mid- to endgame"). Instead, the Senate showers me still with gifts and missions and offices, I can easily conquer my fifty provinces abroad without interference from the other Roman factions and then take Rome in a matter of two to three turns and win without need for a prolonged civil war. Ideally, in my opinion at least, once I´m around say twenty provinces the Senate gets fearful of me and at about thirty they´ll do anything to stop me.
Gaining popularity, after all, is easy, conquer, win more battles than you lose, perhaps throw a few games and there you go.
The Spartan (Returns)
08-16-2006, 14:35
well, you better start making your armies in Italy. i just made two and I took over Rome. so easy...
Pontifex Rex
08-17-2006, 04:43
Of course it is, though my expectancy for the gameplay was (or rather still is) that on your road to that goal the Senate and the other factions don´t just sit there idle but bunch up against you (as in "increase the challenge of the mid- to endgame").
What I do is watch the popularity closely as it rises. When it gets within three pips of the top I start redeploying for the civil war. With usually some 30 -35 provinces and wars going on with foreign enemies you gear yourself to fight at a disadvantage. When given the opportunity to seize power do not delay, strike as soon as possible and go to war with the Senate and both other factions. If you tax high enough and reduce population growth, you may not even have begun the Marion Reforms.
It's a bit of a fudge but then the AI is pretty hopeless,... not surprising considering there is no "good" AI anywhere as yet.
Yes, I know that I can start the war on my own any time I want to once I´ve got the "chance for Power" message, but just like ol´Gaius (I´m currently watching the HBO Rome series, very cool - though the history freaks here will most likely go wailing once again) back then, I´d rather have the Senate fire the first shot, figuratively speaking. And that is precisely what I´ve not managed so far, though a lot of people report they have in mid-game the Senate breathing down on their necks. I´ve got no problem with popularity, after rising to the top, taking a deep plunge, but it never seems to go below three pips, which from reading the descr_senate.txt I understand is the threshold for getting outlawed.
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