See Tom be Jan.... transgendered children with parent approval... [Archive]

Devastatin Dave

06-20-2006, 19:07

I can't wait for the "pervertsare normal" crowd to chime in. I love the part when the mom said that at 2 her kid told her that, "I want the fairy princess to come and make my penis into a vagina". What 2 year old uses words like "penis" and "vagina". This sounds very bizarre and quite frankly, sounds like this kid is being "guided" into this sick lifestyle.
Love the "role model" Mark Angelo Cummings. Nothing like a crack headed pervert teaching your kids the benefits of altering nature to satisfy your perversions. :no:
This is a sick, sick world.:wall:

doc_bean

06-20-2006, 19:13

I love the part when the mom said that at 2 her kid told her that, "I want the fairy princess to come and make my penis into a vagina". What 2 year old uses words like "penis" and "vagina". This sounds very bizarre and quite frankly, sounds like this kid is being "guided" into this sick lifestyle.

It's probably not what the kid said word for word, he might have said something about not wanting a wee-wee or being like his sisters *down there* or something...

I don't think any parent wants this to happen, no matter what you think of us liberals, Dave. It must be horrible for the kid.

Devastatin Dave

06-20-2006, 19:23

Doc, you read the whole article right? There is no way this kid isn't being coached into this "choice". If i was the Dad i would have stepped in long ago and not allowed this BS. Daddy needs to grow some balls before his son cuts his own off.

Goofball

06-20-2006, 19:25

Well, as long as they don't cut anything off, and they leave the choice to 'come back' open and completely up to the kid, I'm not against it actually.

I'm not saying parents should encourage this, but the behaviour of the kid makes it pretty clear that he doesn't want to be a boy. I don't see why you should try and force it, with any luck, hormones will do their work eventually.

My thoughts exactly.

I am unfailingly amused by how some people are so offended (to the point of being physically ill) by something as silly and harmless as a 5 year old boy who wants to wear girls' clothes.

On the other hand, if the kid was running around with toy guns pretending to kill people, it would probably draw nothing more than an indulgent smile and a pat on the head...

:dizzy2:

doc_bean

06-20-2006, 19:38

Doc, you read the whole article right? There is no way this kid isn't being coached into this "choice".

Why not ? The kid said he was a girl, the parents accept this as a phase, the *phase* lasts for 3+ years and now the kid has to go to school. What's the big deal ?

If i was the Dad i would have stepped in long ago and not allowed this BS.

Right, and your kid might have found a pair of scissors one day, not the best approach usually.

Look Dave there are only two options here:

1. The kid is a boy, in mind and body, and will eventually start behaving like one.
2. the kid is a girl with the body of a boy, in which case surpressing this will only lead to trauma

So they're doing the best they can. I'm sure they're hoping this will pass, but you can't force your kid to be something it is not. You can't turn an atheist into a believer by telling him he has to. You can't turn a homosexual into a heterosexual because he has too, sure, he might get married, but will he be happy. So honestly dave, which would you rather have ; kids that acted normal, or kids that were happy ?

Daddy needs to grow some balls before his son cuts his own off.

Right, because nature always gets it right :dizzy2:

Xiahou

06-20-2006, 19:51

It's probably not what the kid said word for word, he might have said something about not wanting a wee-wee or being like his sisters *down there* or something...

Lauren was sitting at her computer working when two-year-old Nicholas, who, like all the Anderson children, had a frank understanding of anatomy, came to her with a request: "I want the fairy princess to come and make my penis into a vagina," he said.Looks like a direct quote to me. Reading the article, it does sound like the mother, if not outright encouraging the behavior, has done nothing to deter it.

doc_bean

06-20-2006, 19:58

Looks like a direct quote to me.

Have you ever been interviewed ?

Never thrust what seems to be direct quote, unless (perhaps) the interviewee has checked the article before print.

Xiahou

06-20-2006, 20:17

Nicholas, who, like all the Anderson children, had a frank understanding of anatomyMaybe I should've bolded that in my above quote.

Devastatin Dave

06-20-2006, 20:23

. So honestly dave, which would you rather have ; kids that acted normal, or kids that were happy ?

Kids that act normal of course, because "normal" children run less of a risk of catching sexually transmitted disease, committing suicide, and abusing alcohol and drugs. "Normal" kids are happy kids, no need to turn them into little transvestites or bath house members at age 5. When you allow your kids to "be happy" (translation: allowing the homosexual/transgender propagandists to indoctrinate your children into their perversed agenda) then they run much more risks of living a very unhappy life regardless of what leftist propaganda teachings have brainwashed you into believing. Nope, little boys should be little boys and little girls should be little girls. When they become adults then they can choose to be, well, "different". :no:

Devastatin Dave

06-20-2006, 20:32

"Nicholas, who, like all the Anderson children, had a frank understanding of anatomy"

Maybe I should've bolded that in my above quote.

Bingo!!! This is what happens when you let the kids be adults and make adult decisions. Silly liberal parenting has led to this child's mental disorder.

Goofball

06-20-2006, 20:32

Kids that act normal of course, because "normal" children run less of a risk of catching sexually transmitted disease, committing suicide, and abusing alcohol and drugs.

And of course, those symptoms all magically occur in homosexuals simply because they are gay. They have nothing to do with the scorn, hate, and disenfranchisement that the rest of us heap on homosexuals just because of who they are.

:juggle2:

Devastatin Dave

06-20-2006, 20:41

doc_bean

06-20-2006, 21:04

Bingo!!! This is what happens when you let the kids be adults and make adult decisions. Silly liberal parenting has led to this child's mental disorder.

1. They didn't makie the kid make adult decisions, at most, the kid knows what a woman and what a man looks like. Wow. I saw my mother and father naked as a kid, we didn't exactly lock the door when we where in the bathroom. I'm not gay, nor am I a transvestite...

2. They didn't make him wear dresses or play with dolls. the article states that they tried to raise him as a boy, he just always wanted to wear dresses and play with dolls, how is this the fault of liberal parenting ?

Kids that act normal of course, because "normal" children run less of a risk of catching sexually transmitted disease, committing suicide, and abusing alcohol and drugs.

I hope you'll realise in a few years that experimenting with drugs is normal (more then 50% of the kids do it), so is teenage sex (most Americans start between 14-16 iirc), homosexuality isn't that abnormal (10-20% of the population, not exactly a small minority), alcohol abuse with teenagers is pretty common too.

So in fact, if you have a kid that doesn't drink, has never done drugs, doesn't get laid in highschool AND isn't gay, you have a very abnormal kid.

Hurray for normality !!!!

Personally I don't like to focus on society's rather hypocritical norms, if someone is happy with himself, he'll be less likely a victim to peer pressure, will be less prone to addictions or escapism, will be far less likely to kill himself and probably has a healthier view on sex. :2thumbsup:

Sasaki Kojiro

06-20-2006, 21:19

Looks like a direct quote to me. Reading the article, it does sound like the mother, if not outright encouraging the behavior, has done nothing to deter it.

Why should she deter it? The only harm will come from prudes.

Kanamori

06-20-2006, 21:29

The article hardly gives enough information to reasonably comment on what's led up to the child being the way it is, as far as upbringing goes, and anyone who thinks they can reasonably comment with that little bit of information is delusional. So far, the parents have done nothing to warrant legal action. Even if the parents were pressuring him to dress like a girl, which does not seem to be the case -- and he most certainly is a he, as long as he is xy -- I fail to see how that is significantly different than pressuring your child into being the stereotype of their gender. What you wear does not make your sexuality, and any person who rejects the norm as the authority for their decisions is far more free than the cookie-cutter man or woman. I'd even say that a man who doesn't care if someone thinks he is gay is far more manly than one who must be reassured by his 'peers'.

I'm not aware of current laws in the area, but I would be in favor of an age restriction on the transgender operations, and I think that they already have to see psychologists before they can even try to find someone to do the operation.

Kongamato

06-20-2006, 23:53

I saw a story about this man on TV, and I felt the story was relevant. He lost his genitalia in an electronic circumcision accident at 8 months and was reassigned and raised, unsuccessfully, as a girl. Here is Wikipedia's article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

Crazed Rabbit

06-21-2006, 00:30

This kid is going to get screwed up. He does not understand what he is doing, and his twisted parents are only too willing to go along because of deluded liberalistic thought (note that they never once said he shouldn't dress or act like a girl).

I don't really care that he wants to wear girlie clothes. What I am concerned is people actually supporting such lunacy -this is a five year old child, not an adult- and pretending he is a girl:

But a growing coalition of therapists, scientists, and activists disagree and refer to such children—even those as young as three years old—as transgendered, insisting that the child's new identification shouldn't be discouraged.

These people really disgust me. They want to force their agenda on children, without regard for the child, as a result of radical leftist thought about sexuality.

Crazed Rabbit

Sasaki Kojiro

06-21-2006, 00:37

This kid is going to get screwed up. He does not understand what he is doing, and his twisted parents are only too willing to go along because of deluded liberalistic thought (note that they never once said he shouldn't dress or act like a girl).

I don't really care that he wants to wear girlie clothes. What I am concerned is people actually supporting such lunacy -this is a five year old child, not an adult- and pretending he is a girl:

When you were five did you want to wear male clothes?

These people really disgust me. They want to force their agenda on children, without regard for the child, as a result of radical leftist thought about sexuality.

Crazed Rabbit

What agenda? Enough with the crazy conspiracy talk already.

Papewaio

06-21-2006, 00:48

Shouldn't such a decision be made as an adult after you have gone through puberty. Puberty has a lot of impact on ones thought processes and gender identity.

Goofball

06-21-2006, 00:57

And of course, those symptoms all magically occur in homosexuals simply because they are gay. They have nothing to do with the scorn, hate, and disenfranchisement that the rest of us heap on homosexuals just because of who they are.

:juggle2:LOL, yup, its everyone elses' fault again and not the person that CHOSE their lifestyle. I should become a liberal so i can blame all my misgivings on everyone else. Must be easy to be the victim all the time.

Thats an awful lot of venom for so early in the conversation Dave. Don't blow your whole wad of stock homophobic talking points and conservative cookie cutter arguments all at once; you'll have nothing left for page two.

I am very big on personal choice and responsibility. That's why I acknowledge that I need to take responsibility for the fact that my choices to abuse others because I disagree with how they live their lives may have an impact on their ability to live their lives as they have a right to do. For that reason, I choose not to scorn and alienate people because they do things in their bedrooms that I find distasteful.

It's funny.

All the symptoms you describe above (suicide, STDs, drug use, etc.) are also symptoms that people (gay or straight) exhibit when they have been emotionally or physically abused from a young age.

So do you think you can acknowledge that maybe there is a chance that people don't turn to drugs, or booze, or suffer from depression because they are gay, but because being gay meant that they got beat up at school, had parents who were ashamed of them and withdrew their love, were the subject of ridicule at work, and victims of all the other things that we do to homosexuals?

Let me ask you this:

Out of these two hypothetical people, who do you think is more likely to end up on drugs, depressed, with an STD and suicidal:

1) Heterosexual with two alcoholic parents who is abused from a young age who never has any friends because he never really developed any social skills

or

2) Homosexual with two supportive parents who grows up in an accepting family and has lots of friends who don't treat him like a freak because he is gay.

Sasaki Kojiro

06-21-2006, 03:12

Shouldn't such a decision be made as an adult after you have gone through puberty. Puberty has a lot of impact on ones thought processes and gender identity.

You have to make a decision as a child one way or another, nudity is not allowed.

Crazed Rabbit

06-21-2006, 03:34

What agenda? Enough with the crazy conspiracy talk already.

It's right in the bloomin' article, for crying outloud. The part I quoted.

Crazed Rabbit

Reverend Joe

06-21-2006, 03:45

OH MY GOODNESS! ~:eek: Someone decided to turn their dick inside out when they were just a kid! Let's all build talking points around them and judge them!

Kinda makes you think, who is the bigger freak... the guy with the wierd self-inflicted wound, or the nuts who shout and point.

So someone did something really wierd and freaky with their body. Who... fucking... cares? It doesn't affect any of you. Besides, it's their body. If they want to pull their liver out and staple it to their forehead, it's their right and their decsion; they are the ones who will have to live with the consequences.

solypsist

06-21-2006, 03:47

dave asked for this thread to be re-opened. in a singular act of generosity, it's open and available again.

BUT

things are headed downhill with the nomenclature and slang, so watch out lest warnings be meted out. and for each warning a user gets, Dave gets one, too. just so you know...

Devastatin Dave

06-21-2006, 04:14

Alright, the threads been reopened on the condition that everyone will play nice. Everybody play nice or I'll post pics of me in a cat suit sucking a cucumber. Now, let the debate continue!!! Thanks Soly, how long do you think before I'm Entrance Hall bound again?

Crazed Rabbit

06-21-2006, 04:16

Whoops, spoke too soon...

Zorba, I'm not attacking the kid. (Note, he is a child, not an adult, there's a reason we don't let them make decisions for themselves).

An adult doing this kind of...lifestyle...is one thing. This is a child who's gone a bit far, due to no resistance from parents who don't want to 'force a 'gender identity' on him'.

Crazed Rabbit

Devastatin Dave

06-21-2006, 04:31

Zorba, the kid hasn't had surgery as of now. Are you ok, you seem a little high strung. Relax....:2thumbsup:

Papewaio

06-21-2006, 04:50

You have to make a decision as a child one way or another, nudity is not allowed.

So the reason he should rush into getting a sex change is because nudity is a bad thing.

Why isn't nudity allowed? Frost bite? How many fatalities this year from streakers?

Devastatin Dave

06-21-2006, 05:00

Thats an awful lot of venom for so early in the conversation Dave.
Pot, let me introduce you to kettle...

GoreBag

06-21-2006, 05:45

HE IS 5 YEARS OLD! At 5 I wanted to be a power ranger. Oh well the parents will reap there sick and twisted child in about 13 years. At 5 you know nothing. Disgusting

I had my first sexual urge at 3 years old. I knew enough then to know that I was into chicks. Is it so impossible to know that you'd rather not be a dude?

AntiochusIII

06-21-2006, 07:32

I had my first sexual urge at 3 years old. I knew enough then to know that I was into chicks. Is it so impossible to know that you'd rather not be a dude? :inquisitive: Honestly?

I think the sexual hormones aren't truly active at the time, no?

An adult doing this kind of...lifestyle...Uncomfortable? ~;)

doc_bean

06-21-2006, 09:33

So the reason he should rush into getting a sex change is because nudity is a bad thing.

Why isn't nudity allowed? Frost bite? How many fatalities this year from streakers?

Maybe I read the article too fast, but I don't remember anything about a sex change. That was in my original response too, they let him dress up like a girl, which is fine by me. Cutting off genitals, isn't.
Most hermaprhodites only get their 'sex determination' surgery when they're teenagers or older, just because it's impossible (or nearly) to tell whether they are actually a boy or a girl inside, and some even change from 'primarily boy' to 'primarily girl' or vice versa.

Honestly?

I think the sexual hormones aren't truly active at the time, no?

I was 4 or 5 when I had my first crush on a girl, that's partly why I'm pretty sure you can't control these things.

English assassin

06-21-2006, 11:10

Hmm. Liberal or not, I'm pretty suspicious about the whole transgender thing.

Look at it like this; there is a mismatch between your gonads and how your brain thinks. This makes you unhappy. Something has to change. But why it is your gonads? Is it because there are slick surgeons out there wondering what they can do, and a big lobby pushing for victimhood? Does anyone EVER say to someone who feels transgendered that they have TWO options, one to live as the opposite biological gender, the other to try therapy to feel like the gender they are?

I'm not saying either option is better but both seem valid, no? How come we only hear of one? Seems pretty suspicious to me.

And in (not quite) a first, I agree with Dave, I just plain don't believe this five year old is the prime mover behind all this. Besides, a five year old's idea of gender is rather different to a twenty year olds, wouldn't you say? He thinks of being a girl as wearing dresses and playing with ponies, not as, well, you know, adult girl stuff.

BDC

06-21-2006, 12:03

Kralizec

06-21-2006, 13:57

EA said pretty much what I was thinking during the last transgender thread (the 70 year old teacher one)

"A woman trapped in a mans body" - BS, it's a male that thinks he'd rather be female, maybe due to an early psychological deviance, but don't formulate the problem so that it's the body wich is at fault.
Post-op transsexuals will never be women- they can't menstruate, have children and are dependent on female hormone dossages to sustain them. Maybe some people are unable to accept the way they were born and would prefer this over their current existence- but is that all predetermined, or is it partly because the culture of victimhood and non-conformity to the norm that is so prevalent today?
If you want to mutilate yourself to accomodate your self perception, go ahead- it's your body. But a lot of people, me included will think of you as weird. Then again, I don't suppose they care.

Oh yeah, about the 5 year old: he doesn't know what he's talking about at all, and I suspect that his parents talked him into saying stuff like that. Kids that age don't understand sexuality enough to be confused abou it.

Goofball

06-21-2006, 14:34

Pot, let me introduce you to kettle...

I note that you didn't respond to any of the questions I asked.

Whassa matta Dave? Did Andrew Dice Clay & Rush Limbaugh's Big Book of Rebuttal come up short?

:laugh4:

Lemur

06-21-2006, 14:45

Just going to throw my two cents in ...

No-one under the age of, say, sixteen should be allowed to make a decision this big. If the kid turns out to be a full-blown transsexual at a later date, fine, but offering a lot of "support" at the tender age of five seems like madness. If the kid wants to dress up like a girl, fine. Lots of little kids do gender play like that. They're exploring what it means to be a boy or a girl. It does not mean that they need gender reassignment.

And yes, it does sound like the mother has an agenda. Kids are fairly malleable, and it wouldn't take too much for her to turn normal childhood gender play into a full-blown crisis.

In fairness, though, this is hardly the worst child abuse story one can find. I know DD posted the story because he has a specific agenda about gays, TGs, liberals and how evil they are, and that's fine and dandy. But don't forget that there are far more evil things being done to children in the U.S.A. (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,119134,00.html), which don't fall so neatly into the left v. right puppet game.

Redleg

06-21-2006, 15:39

Its really rather telling that the parents allowed the media to come into their house and do a story on this.

This leads me to the conclusion that its not just the child wanting to be a girl.

doc_bean

06-21-2006, 15:50

The article is heavily biased and definitely supports an agenda, this doesn't mean the parents have one too. And once again, NO ONE said the kid should have surgery...

Its really rather telling that the parents allowed the media to come into their house and do a story on this.

This leads me to the conclusion that its not just the child wanting to be a girl.

Bleh, they could have tricked, a newspaper saying they will write a 'positive' story about the whole affair and that it might highten their chances of their kid going to school in a dress.

Or they mught have been threatened. A lor of journalist threaten people in to telling their story by telling them they will write it anyway, possibly without altered names.

Why would anyone want their child to be gender confused ? That's just insane :dizzy2:

Consider that if this was a 5 year old girl who ran about, played football, dressed in boy's stuff, pretended to shoot people, no one would care at all.

Very good point. A lot young girls want to be boys, they grow out of it. Of course, a girl wearing pants and having short hair is nothing special...But a boy puts on a dress and every conservative is up in arms. :wall:

Devastatin Dave

06-21-2006, 16:13

Let me ask you this:

Out of these two hypothetical people, who do you think is more likely to end up on drugs, depressed, with an STD and suicidal:

1) Heterosexual with two alcoholic parents who is abused from a young age who never has any friends because he never really developed any social skills

or

2) Homosexual with two supportive parents who grows up in an accepting family and has lots of friends who don't treat him like a freak because he is gay.

The hetero will more than likely have the drug and depression issue and the homo will probably have the STD and drug issue. Both will have a higher chance of suicide than a child that is hetero and has loving parents. There are way too many factors in your hypothetical persons to predict their futures. Nice try though, but no matter what you can't argue the CDC's statistics on STD rates among homosexuals compared to heteros. Not only higher percentage rates of STD's, but drug and alcohol abuse, and suicides. But when you have you head so firmly planted in your own sanctimonious backside, I guess it would be hard to understand reality.

Now that I've answered your questions, maybe you should do the same for the countless times you have simply avoided answering most questions asked of you and simply gave silly responses. I know you're going to be an officer, so maybe you're just simply working on your schtick. :laugh4:

Sasaki Kojiro

06-21-2006, 16:32

So the reason he should rush into getting a sex change is because nudity is a bad thing.

Hey, no one said anything about a sex change. I'm not in favor of sex changes, just deal with what you've got. My point was the child has to make a decision to dress somehow, if he can decide to dress in boys clothes he is capable of deciding to dress in girls clothes.

Consider that if this was a 5 year old girl who ran about, played football, dressed in boy's stuff, pretended to shoot people, no one would care at all.

People just get tetchy about men not being masculine.

Exactly.

doc_bean

06-21-2006, 16:58

The hetero will more than likely have the drug and depression issue and the homo will probably have the STD and drug issue.

If women were as easy as (gay) men, we'd all have the same risk of getting STDs though... :oops:

As for the drugs, I know more straigth people who do drugs, so unless you can produce convincing statistics here...

Devastatin Dave

06-21-2006, 17:45

If women were as easy as (gay) men, we'd all have the same risk of getting STDs though... :oops:

As for the drugs, I know more straigth people who do drugs, so unless you can produce convincing statistics here...
http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS01B1
http://www.narth.com/docs/whitehead.html
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422547/posts
http://www.royy.com/pap.html
http://www.traditionalvalues.org/pdf_files/statistics_on_homosexual_lifestyle.pdf
http://teenadvice.about.com/cs/homosexuality/
http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/7-18-2004-56789.asp
http://ams.cu.edu.tr/January2001Vol10No1/suicide.htm

Here's some different sites. Some of the sites states that the reasons for this phenominom is because its the heteros fault for making the homosexuals feel like outcastes and some sites say that it just goes with the territory. All give different reasons for homosexuals having higher percentages of drug and alcohol abuse. But there is a high percentage within the community that abuse substances and that can't be argues, no matter how much you want to paint it with the politically correct, all forgiving paint brush. But that's not the topic.

By the way, I also don't think it is a matter of being "easy" as you put it Doc. Its more the "risky" types of sexual activities that homosexual perform with each other that run the risk of STD's higher than that of "normal" sexual contact. I hope that you don't need me to explain any deeper because I'm sure with your "progressive" mindset, you should have a good idea of what I'm talking about.

This child has a lifetime of misery ahead of him/her/it especially when the parents are contributing to him/her/its delusions.

Kralizec

06-21-2006, 17:46

And there's the issue of pregnancy- gay men don't have that risk and this leads to less inclination to condom use.

I "know" a girl who has syphilis, kept being the [4 letter bad word for sexually very active woman] she always was, and then contracted gonorroe too. :inquisitive:
Strangely, though I know a couple of gay guys I never hear about STDs among gays.

Xiahou

06-21-2006, 19:12

Bleh, they could have tricked, a newspaper saying they will write a 'positive' story about the whole affair and that it might highten their chances of their kid going to school in a dress.

Or they mught have been threatened. A lor of journalist threaten people in to telling their story by telling them they will write it anyway, possibly without altered names.

Why would anyone want their child to be gender confused ? That's just insane :dizzy2: Again, the article covers why they did the story. The parents were convinced to speak to a reporter by a female-male transexual activist that they had sought out and contacted.

Goofball

06-21-2006, 19:19

Dave, I'm walking out the door righ now so I will respond to the meat of your post later, but I felt in necessary to comment on this bit now:

maybe you're just simply working on your schtick. :laugh4:

I only do that in the privacy of my own home, never at the office...

A.Saturnus

06-21-2006, 21:00

I should become a liberal so i can blame all my misgivings on everyone else.

It is my impression that you already do that, Dave.

Now to lighten things up, here's the fitting America-bashing (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/49608)

doc_bean

06-21-2006, 21:34

blah blah blah ...

frc: defending family FAITH and freedom
narth national association for research and THERAPY FOR HOMOSEXUALITY

:sigh: I'm not going to even look at the rest, have any UNBIASED sources ?

Look Dave, people don't get STDs from being gay, they get them from promiscusous and unsafe sex. I'll admit that gay men are probably more likely to engage in such an activity (because they can !), but that's an indirect connection at most. I know some gay people in very stable relationships who don't sleep around, I know some guys who screw a few different girls a month. Who do you think would sooner catch an STD ?

About the drug use: main gay subculture is one of PARTY !!! I'd like to see a comparison between people with similar lifestyles, say ravers, or even frat boys, then we can compare apples and apples...
And once again, just because you're gay doesn't mean you have to be a total queen, some gay people are actually surprisingly 'normal', not to into partying, not hitting on random guys or sleeping around, actively involved in the community. These people don't parade (pun intended) around as often and hence, not much attention is payed to them, but they might just be the silent majority.

Again, the article covers why they did the story. The parents were convinced to speak to a reporter by a female-male transexual activist that they had sought out and contacted.

So the worried parents tried to inform themselves and got caught in somebody else's agenda, it still doesn't mean they *want* their child to be a transgender, not by a long shot...

Husar

06-21-2006, 22:36

Now, to me it sounds like this mother is way too early with introducing her kids to sexuality and the human body. Compare it to someone showing his little son a gew pics of hiroshima victims and explaining the process of death and so on in detail, closely followed by Auschwitz...

Death and sexuality are things young kids should not have to bother about, they will come across these things early enough.

Besides, I get the impression from this thread that people who have kids are more likely to not support this than people without kids. One could think that everything is fine with you, as long as you are not affected.

Kralizec

06-21-2006, 23:06

So the worried parents tried to inform themselves and got caught in somebody else's agenda, it still doesn't mean they *want* their child to be a transgender, not by a long shot...

So they went to a transgender activist? Makes sense...

Devastatin Dave

06-21-2006, 23:39

:sigh: I'm not going to even look at the rest, have any UNBIASED sources ?

...
Well since you basically said that I said was "blah, blah, blah" when most of those articles used the CDC as a reference, then look the statistics up yourself...
http://www.cdc.gov/
Its all there. Enjoy...

Papewaio

06-22-2006, 02:45

Consider that if this was a 5 year old girl who ran about, played football, dressed in boy's stuff, pretended to shoot people, no one would care at all.

People just get tetchy about men not being masculine.

Some reason I got an image of playing with dolls creating a more masculine man... seemed to work for the Duke...

doc_bean

06-22-2006, 09:31

Well since you basically said that I said was "blah, blah, blah" when most of those articles used the CDC as a reference, then look the statistics up yourself...
http://www.cdc.gov/
Its all there. Enjoy...

Yeah, I accidentaly deleted all of your post and was to lazy to copy/paste, sorry about that.

doc_bean

06-22-2006, 09:34

So they went to a transgender activist? Makes sense...

:sigh: We'll never know exactly what happened will we ? But can you honestly imagine parents wanting/forcing their child to be a transgender ? :dizzy2:

Mithras

06-22-2006, 11:21

Sounds like the mom and dad have allowed the liberal deviants of the transgendered mentally ill movement sink their claws into their child.

I should become a liberal so i can blame all my misgivings on everyone else.

Liberals

I think I know what the real issue is here......

They're isnt anything in the article which links them liberalism except that you don't like them.

What 2 year old uses words like "penis" and "vagina".

I recall using willie and peach from about that age (although I found them hilarious along with poop)...Children are aware of the thing that lies between their legs, using terms for them isnt particulary bizzare except to mollycoddling parents.

My opinion is that the child has female gender identity while I'll admit it's unusual to have him/her displaying it at such a young age I have no moral outrage assuming that this is something the child has come to on his (her?) own accord.

From a practical veiwpoint I'd recomend that they conceal that he's a boy to avoid the social stigma and if he feels the same way around the time of puberty start him on the hormones in preparation for full transition (avoidence of male gender Sexual dimorphism).

On a side note dave how do you feel about teens who want to change genders......or adults for that matter?

It's funny how the right always bangs on about personal responsibility and personal freedoms and then insists on gays changing becouse they don't like them:dizzy2:

Husar

06-22-2006, 11:41

:sigh: We'll never know exactly what happened will we ? But can you honestly imagine parents wanting/forcing their child to be a transgender ? :dizzy2:
Can you honestly imagine parents killing their children, raping their children, abusing their children in other ways? Well, it happens.:wall:

Kralizec

06-22-2006, 11:44

Not to mention parents pretending that their kid is sick, by keeping them such and/or convincing the kid that he's sick. Pretty disturbing but things like that happen.

doc_bean

06-22-2006, 11:48

Can you honestly imagine parents killing their children, raping their children, abusing their children in other ways? Well, it happens.:wall:

Yes, mostly these are people who don't care about their children and/or are angry at them (for whatever reason) or have deviant sexual urges. These actions are linked to primitive emotions (anger, desire). Trying to turn your little boy into a little girl seems to be an act that requires thought, and long term commitment, and as such is pretty different from physical violence against children.

They also have other kids who seem to be pretty normal, so that speaks in their favour too.