Mafia II: The sequel to the best-selling forum game [Concluded]

[Stormcrow]

My bad, I recalled this post :

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1190704&postcount=171

You may be rehabilitated after all Kage...still keeping an eye out though ~:eyebrows:.

It'd be nice if we got to pick a way of disposing of the suspects as well ~:).

[Ice]

Stormcrow

[Ignoramus]

Maybe make the punishment fit the crime? If you blow someone to pieces by a land mine and their your corpse covered with popcorn, then perhaps you ought to have the same done to you?

[Kommodus]

Alexander the Pretty Good

[Cowhead418]

Silver Rusher

[GeneralHankerchief]

For the first time, the townspeople had a clear whipping boy. After a series of ties, run-offs, and all-around close calls, finally a clear result would be yielded. All they had to do was take Silver Rusher, kneel him on the chopping block, and watch Chief of Police Beirut swing away.

SR had been quiet for the last part of the voting, when it became apparent that he would be executed. He was off in the corner, what looked like writing something. He had just finised and put it into his pocket when Beirut hauled him up and dragged him off to the chopping block. As SR got into position, Beirut finally spoke.

"You can write notes later, son. Right now it's an execution."

"How can I write notes when I'm dead?!"

"...oh yeah. My mistake. Guess it's just too bad for you." He swung his axe and Silver Rusher departed from this world.

As his lifeless body tumbled over, the note rolled out of his pocket. Beirut picked it up and read to the crowd.


I am very sad to see that you fools have put me next in your hopeless witch-hunt. I am not a member of the mafia. I am too squeamish to even watch somebody pouring salt on a slug, let alone kill somebody. Over and over again have you executed people without any proper reasoning, people who are innocent. If you want to protect yourself, you must think: what clues do the mafia give away? I was wrong to accuse Ignoramus, I simply did it out of anger that he changed his vote to me. But he had the right idea. You should all follow his approach when finding the true Mafia.

Beirut folded up the note. "Words to live by, gentlemen. We must keep this in mind if the mafia still strike."

And so the townspeople departed with lots of thoughts in their heads, especially concerning SR's alleged guilt.

Here is the voting total for Session 3:

Silver Rusher: 7 :skull:
DemonArchangel: 4
Craterus: 2
Stormcrow: 2
Ignormaus, Alexander the Pretty Good: 1 each

Still alive:
Ice
SSNeoperestroika
Lehesu
Uesugi Kenshin
DemonArchangel
Hiji
Destroyer of Hope
Lemur
Crazed Rabbit
Ignoramus
Tiberius
Dutch_guy
Divine Wind
Stormcrow
Kommodus
Kralizec
Cowhead418
Craterus
Kagemusha
UltraWar
Alexander the Pretty Good

Neither killed nor executed but still dead:
evil_maniac from mars
littlelostboy

Killed:
Eclectic
Zalmoxis
The Spartan
Peasant Phill
Sasaki Kojiro
discovery1

Executed:
AggonyDuck
Csar
Silver Rusher

[The Spartan (Returns)]

whispers from the dead: i knew it wasnt you Silver.

[Csargo]

Get Craterus its him he's the killer or maybe its DemonArchangel
\
Kill one of those two.
Believe me i know the truth I'm dead.

[Cowhead418]

Silver Rusher is right, but what clues do the mafia give away? Are they more inclined to post less or more in order to draw attention away from themselves? Will they vote mindlessly or give a reason for their accusations? Do their methods of murder give clues? Perhaps ex-mafioso Kagemusha can shed some light on this matter.:inquisitive:

[Kagemusha]

Silver Rusher is right, but what clues do the mafia give away? Are they more inclined to post less or more in order to draw attention away from themselves? Will they vote mindlessly or give a reason for their accusations? Do their methods of murder give clues? Perhaps ex-mafioso Kagemusha can shed some light on this matter.:inquisitive:

Hmm..These are trade secrets..:book: Nope seriously.I think there isnt a one way to play this game as mafioso.There are so many different kind of tactics then there are players.
This time its harder for the mafiosos to play becouse they have to post how they kill their victims,so a mistake there can lead us on their tracks.But on the other hand it also creates opportunities.
So unless Mafioso doesnt make a complete mistake,we are pretty much in the dark and we just have to trust in our own gut instinct to reveal them.:juggle2:

[scotchedpommes]

Silver Rusher is right, but what clues do the mafia give away? Are they more inclined to post less or more in order to draw attention away from themselves? Will they vote mindlessly or give a reason for their accusations? Do their methods of murder give clues? Perhaps ex-mafioso Kagemusha can shed some light on this matter.:inquisitive:

I thought towards the last few rounds of the first game it seemed clear that
Kagemusha was in the mafia, if only based on what he was posting. By that time
though, I was dead. Of course, the mafia this time might be slightly better at
acting the part of the innocent. ~;)

[The Spartan (Returns)]

whispers from the dead: becareful Kage for your wisdom, the mafia may target you next.

[Ignoramus]

I'm at a disadvantage, seeing as I hardly know anyone's characters. But still try to find out.

[Kralizec]

Man, being the first to vote for Silver Rushers execution really makes me proud. Kinda like Joseph McCarthy. :laugh4:

Seriously though, I really thought he was trying to hard to appear innocent.

There were 2 maffia members from the start, right?

[GeneralHankerchief]

There were 2 maffia members from the start, right?

Correct. I'm telling you now at least one of them is still alive.

[The Spartan (Returns)]

that doesnt help!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pannonian]

Is it just my impression or are the dead more active than the living?

[Ignoramus]

Hmmmmmmmm, did we dig their graves deep enough?

[Ignoramus]

Hmmmmmmmm, did we dig their graves deep enough?

[Lemur]

Silver Rusher is right, but what clues do the mafia give away? Are they more inclined to post less or more in order to draw attention away from themselves? Will they vote mindlessly or give a reason for their accusations? Do their methods of murder give clues?
The last time I asked a question like that I got lynched by my fellow villagers. Thus I am not asking such questions this time, and I'm glad you have the guts to do so.

[scotchedpommes]

Silver Rusher is right, but what clues do the mafia give away? Are they more inclined to post less or more in order to draw attention away from themselves? Will they vote mindlessly or give a reason for their accusations? Do their methods of murder give clues?The last time I asked a question like that I got lynched by my fellow villagers. Thus I am not asking such questions this time, and I'm glad you have the guts to do so.

The "a spicy meat-a-ball" comments are more likely to arouse my suspicion.

Mhm.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Is this story gonna write itself?

C'mon, I usually have at least one PM by now.

[Ignoramus]

Is this story gonna write itself?

C'mon, I usually have at least one PM by now.

Is that genuine? Because if it is, you've provided the villagers with valuable clues. Of course, it could be a deliberate red herring.

[Drisos]

yeah that was info.. if you would check and see which people had not been online for a while it might have been them..:book:

[Ignoramus]

Lemur and SSNeoperestroika are definitely innocent if it is true.

[Avicenna]

I'd say good work, but remember there are two mafiosi and maybe one's PM'ed GHC already.

[Ignoramus]

But why would GH say "C'mon, I usually have at least one PM by now."

Edit: Also, one of the mafiosi may have kicked the bucket already, although I doubt Silver Rusher was one.

[Dutch_guy]

Correct. I'm telling you now at least one of them is still alive.

Oh and something else...is the detective still alive too ?

Or was Sasaki really the detective, and SSNeoperestroika really innocent ?

If he wasn't the detective, he just cleared his co-mafioso, by saying he was.

:balloon2:

[GeneralHankerchief]

All this speculation... :laugh4:!

I was just telling the main character(s) to hurry up with the PM(s) so I could post the kills quickly. I was trying to get them in now (Friday morning) because I won't be able to be on again until Saturday.

Oh well, you guys are just going to have to wait a bit for the next update...

[Sigurd]

https://img81.imageshack.us/img81/4615/ghc6669dx.jpg

This is all of the devil I tell ya!!

BTW: Nice game :2thumbsup: !!

[Stormcrow]

Why didn't you just PM them :eyebrows:

[Cowhead418]

https://img81.imageshack.us/img81/4615/ghc6669dx.jpg

This is all of the devil I tell ya!!

BTW: Nice game :2thumbsup: !!He's right! This game is all a scam! GHC is really the mafia and we must lynch him instead!:laugh4:

[UltraWar]

Hi i'm back after 1 week of no internet... did I miss much?

[Silver Rusher]

Later that day, Beirut revisited the execution square. He picked up the note on the ground and saw that there was writing on the other side. It said:

"Whenever you vote for somebody, use evidence to back it up. Do not vote a) because that person has any random and unconnected piece of evidence associated with them, such as AggonyDuck's name containing the word duck or b) because somebody else voted for that same person, but did not use any credible evidence to back it up. Also, do not vote for somebody because they are trying to help find the mafia. This is ungrateful and it simply means that people will be too afraid to do any real detective work. And most importantly, use evidence from previous assassinations/executions to help find the killers.

Have said that, the mafia will probably use what a have just written to further their plans so be extra vigilant!"

Beirut curled the note up in his hand and said "That's weird. I usually check both sides of pieces of paper when I read them"

[GeneralHankerchief]

Rats, my 666 goes away... :cry:

Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet.

Afternoon in the Frontroom. All is quiet.

Evening happens in the Frontroom. All is still quiet. It appears that the killing is over at last. The villagers, jubilant, throw an impromtu celebration at the tavern where Eclectic died and The Spartan got drunk. Almost everybody came, and the party would definitely go long into the night. About an hour and a half into the celebration, when everyone was good and rowdy, a hearty drinking song started. Chuckling, SSNeoperestroika made his way into the bathroom. As he was doing his business at a urinal, another person made his way in, and took the urinal right next to SSNeo. The two nodded, but then SSNeo noticed something...

A gun clearly showing, positioned at the now-revealed mafioso's hip. SSNeo, realizing he's pretty much a goner, tries to scream that a mafioso is in the bathroom. However, said mafioso gets there first and puts his hand over SSNeo's mouth.

A silent fight commences, with each side having different objective. Mainly, SSNeoperestroika is trying to scream, and the mafioso is trying to kill SSNeo without anybody noticing. Luckily, someone realizes an opening. Unluckily, it's not SSNeo. The mafioso starts slamming SSNeo's head against the sink repeatedly, timed with the drinking song still going on in the main room. Eventually it works, and the population of the Frontroom has decreased again. The mafioso makes sure that his body is free of blood, and walks out the back door.

SSNeo's body is discovered soon enough, and after that the party disentigrates rapidly. Eventually there's only Crazed Rabbit and one other villager, drinking their troubles away. The door opens. CR expects it to be somebody performing an autopsy, but he's dead wrong. A girl from the Babe Thread, "dressed" in her thread outfit, makes her way in. Slowly.

Of course it reduces Rabbit's world to a very tiny field of view, and him having lots of alcohol in his system she looks about ten times more beautiful. Wait. Alcohol. Yes, he needed that too if tonight was to be successful. Strike For the South's rules of alcohol consumption are in mind when Rabbit takes a sip of beer, but they quickly vanish, replaced with a warning:

My mouth is burning! That other villager poured acid into my beer when I was looking at that babe! Must... get.. water...

Not caring at all about the fact that there was a dangerous killer next to him, Rabbit rushes and tries to find water. Anywhere. The mafioso calmly pulls out a pistol and dispatches Rabbit with two shots. He then runs off with the babe in the night.

Sometime later, around midnight, Chief of Police Beirut makes an announcement to the villagers.

"Gentlemen," he begins, "it's going to be a long night. So get voting."

[UltraWar]

I reckon that Dutch_Guy could have something to do with this...

[Dutch_guy]

Hmm I think someone with a grudge killed both men, and since they both have right wing sympathies, I'm going to have to vote for Lemur as the killer

Calling names isn't sufficient UltraWar, why would I kill these people.

:balloon2:

[Lemur]

Dutch_Guy, you're conveniently forgetting that both men, I believe, were named as innocent by the detective. Although it's all debatable about how true any of that was. Clearly, somebody believed it.

Nice bit of misdirection. Clever, in fact. I vote Dutch_Guy.

[EDIT]

P.S., if you'd bothered to notice, you would also see that I had been posting when G.H. complained about not getting mafia updates. That's two strikes, Dutch.

[The Spartan (Returns)]

whspers from the dead: it stll think its Tiberius.

[Dutch_guy]

Dutch_Guy, you're conveniently forgetting that both men, I believe, were named as innocent by the detective. Although it's all debatable about how true any of that was. Clearly, somebody believed it.

[/B].

Yeah, but one can still hold a grudge against a non-mafioso, as you are well aware of - why you ask ? Well only you can know really...


:balloon2:

[Silver Rusher]

Well, you are taking my advice, I see! It is clear to me why these two were killed: they had been proven innocent and so it was no longer possible for any attention to be put on them. If I were alive I would vote for Dutch_Guy.

Oh, by the way, a suggestion for any future Mafia games: A superman character, who at each killing/detective investigation session would choose one person to try and save. If both the mafia and 'superman' choose the same person, the superman character saves the person and he/she is not killed. Their saving would be included in the report, but if the superman makes the wrong decision they would not be mentioned. I think this would work well, especially in situations such as the one with SasakiKojiro where the mafia would be wasting a kill if the actually did attempt to murder him. Not only this, but the superman would also have to think psycho-strategically (is that even a word?) about who the mafia would go after next.

[Cowhead418]

I vote for Dutch Guy, only a mafioso would try to make this political when it was clearly not.


Oh, by the way, a suggestion for any future Mafia games: A superman character, who at each killing/detective investigation session would choose one person to try and save. If both the mafia and 'superman' choose the same person, the superman character saves the person and he/she is not killed. Their saving would be included in the report, but if the superman makes the wrong decision they would not be mentioned. I think this would work well, especially in situations such as the one with SasakiKojiro where the mafia would be wasting a kill if the actually did attempt to murder him. Not only this, but the superman would also have to think psycho-strategically (is that even a word?) about who the mafia would go after next.An interesting idea, but I see one major flaw. This would allow the detective to declare himself immediately, and he would have the protection of the superman character until he has discovered the mafia members. Perhaps it could work if you substitute the superman for the detective.

[Divine Wind]

Its DemonArchangel. I have no doubts :listen:

[Silver Rusher]

An interesting idea, but I see one major flaw. This would allow the detective to declare himself immediately, and he would have the protection of the superman character until he has discovered the mafia members. Perhaps it could work if you substitute the superman for the detective.
Yes, I realised that myself after I posted it. Perhaps the superman character would not be able to try and save the same person twice in a row?

[Csargo]

Dutch Guy

[Craterus]

Yes, I realised that myself after I posted it. Perhaps the superman character would not be able to try and save the same person twice in a row?

Would Superman be able to be assassinated? If so, the mafia have a very quick answer to the problem.

Superman is a stupid idea anyway. :idea2: This game is good how it is.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

Tiberius was acting very odd in the chat yesterday, and though he didn't kill me this round I am still suspicious of him. He was asking too many questions. One might even think that he wasn't afraid of looking suspicious because he could kill me if I was too suspicious.

[Silver Rusher]

Would Superman be able to be assassinated? If so, the mafia have a very quick answer to the problem.

Superman is a stupid idea anyway. :idea2: This game is good how it is.
They would be able to kill him, and they wouldn't have a quick answer to the problem because THEY WOULDN'T KNOW WHO IT IS. :inquisitive:

I don't see anything wrong with the idea other than the constructive comment that Cowhead418 gave. Even that is easily rectifiable. :idea2:

[Ignoramus]

Dutch Guy

Csar, you're dead. You can't vote.

As for me, I shall vote for Dutch_Guy.

[Craterus]

DemonArchangel

[Kralizec]

Hmm I'll have to say Dutch_guy

[Dutch_guy]

Everyone who voted me as the killer is making a big mistake, you'll notice that when I'm dead the killings won't stop...

And since one of the mafioso is dead that means I'm not one of them, but oh well, I guess people only learn by making mistakes...

:balloon2:

[Ignoramus]

And since one of the mafioso is dead

How can you know that unless you are one of the mafioso? This reaffirms my vote.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Dangit, I knew that being named as innocent would be the kiss of death.

The last four dead have been the detective and whoever he named as innocent.

Sigh, oh well. And run over by a tank? Why do I always get run over? Geez, you lousy mafia.

Anyways, I somewhat suspect Tiberius. Check out post #229.

EDIT: Dutch Guy is also suspicious. Craterus a bit too. Not as much, though. Oh, and if anyone wants it I've got an excel spreadsheet with everyone's votes, who got killed, methods of death, etc.

Oh and for the 'superman' idea, you could make it so that if both mafiosa tried to kill one target, the superman couldn't save him. So announcing yourself as detective would be bad.

Crazed Rabbit

[Dutch_guy]

How can you know that unless you are one of the mafioso? This reaffirms my vote.

GHC said that one of them was dead, here it is :


Correct. I'm telling you now at least one of them is still alive.

Post 265, if you don't believe me.

The part :"is still alive'' leads me to think one of the mafioso is dead...

:balloon2:

[Avicenna]

The wording just means that he won't reveal anything.

I vote DemonArchangel.

EDIT: CR: Trying to help the village is now suspicious activity? :inquisitive:

[Silver Rusher]

EDIT: CR: Trying to help the village is now suspicious activity? :inquisitive:
Always has been. That's why I was executed. :inquisitive:

[Avicenna]

Kingdom of Peace and Love indeed. :laugh4:

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

DemonArchangel.

[Stormcrow]

DemonArchangel.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Kills have been updated and made into usual form.

As per request of his killer, Crazed Rabbit's death has been changed into something a little cooler.

And voting will end in a little bit.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Ah, now that's not so bad.

Crazed Rabbit

[Avicenna]

Interesting.

This just shows that one of the mafioso at least is a regular Backroomer, knowing about SFTS's alcohol consumption rule, which is definitely from the Drunkards' Thread. There's also knowledge of the Babe Thread.

[GeneralHankerchief]

As much as I hate to do this...

It seems we have another tie vote. This time between Dutch_guy and DemonArchangel.

There will be a re-vote, so anyone still alive can vote again (providing it's for one of those two). All votes from this round are wiped clean.

The voting period will be relatively short so get to it!

[Avicenna]

DemonArchangel

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

My vote remains unchanged. DemonArchangel.

[Csargo]

You know what you should do when there's a tie vote you should let the dead people vote.

[Csargo]

Csar, you're dead. You can't vote.

As for me, I shall vote for Dutch_Guy.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I was trying to sneak it in there. Sadly it didn't work.:shame:

[Lemur]

Dutch Guy.

[UltraWar]

Dutch_guy

[Craterus]

DemonArchangel

[Cowhead418]

Dutch_Guy

[John86]

Dutch_Guy

[Stormcrow]

DemonArchangel.

[Divine Wind]

DemonArchangel

[Sasaki Kojiro]

We need an "in case of tie put both of them to death" rule.

[GeneralHankerchief]

It was approximately four in the morning. Day would soon break in the Frontroom. Most of the villagers were still sleeping, but Chief of Police Beirut was not. He was tallying the tiebreaker votes. There were far too many of these.

"Why didn't I just execute them both?" Beirut thought to himself. Finally he made his announcement to the crowd.

"Gentl-"

"SNORE"

"WAKE UP, YOU MAGGOTS!" Everybody opened their eyes with a start. "Gentlemen," he began, "finally, the votes have been tallied. It's been a long night, but we finally have a result."

Everyone looked tense, especially DemonArchangel and Dutch_guy.

"The next person to be executed will be... DemonArchangel!"

DA groaned. Dutch_guy, all normal politeness forgotten, cheered. He then started a chant of "to the block," where everyone quickly joined. DA cursed under his breath as he was put in the execution position.

"Hey," yawned Beirut, "that's another crime you've committed. Murder AND un-Frontroomish language. For *yawn* that, I sentence you to be beheaded!"

He swung his axe, but Beirut was so overcome with fatigue that it missed DA's neck, instead hitting him in the back of the head.

"OW! I was supposed to be beheaded, not be...brained!"

Try as he might, Beirut couldn't pull the axe out to finish the job. The other villagers were just as tired, and had no luck as well. After some deliberation, Beirut just decided to leave it in there and let DA die a slow, painful death. Beirut dismissed the crowd, mumbling to himself about finding a new method of execution for next time...

Here is the voting total for Session 4a:

DemonArchangel: 5 :skull:
Dutch_guy: 4

~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive:
Ice
Lehesu
Uesugi Kenshin
Hiji
Destroyer of Hope
Lemur
Ignoramus
Tiberius
Dutch_guy
Divine Wind
Stormcrow
Kommodus
Kralizec
Cowhead418
Craterus
Kagemusha
UltraWar
Alexander the Pretty Good

Neither killed nor executed but still dead:
evil_maniac from mars
littlelostboy

Killed:
Eclectic
Zalmoxis
The Spartan
Peasant Phill
Sasaki Kojiro
discovery1
SSNeoperestroika
Crazed Rabbit

Executed:
AggonyDuck
Csar
Silver Rusher
DemonArchangel

[Dutch_guy]

I thought I was a goner, really....

Thanks to all who helped bail me out, I assure you it was a just decision.

:balloon2:

[Csargo]

I'm sure you still are a goner.

[The Spartan (Returns)]

whispers from the dead: come on its not Dutch Guy.

[DemonArchangel]

NOOOOOOOooooOOOooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

[Avicenna]

I'm sure you still are a goner.

Aren't we all?

[scotchedpommes]

I have been without an Internet connection for some time, so I missed my own
murder. Another amusing death, I'm pleased. Killed in a pub toilet in time with
music. Indeed, what a way to go.

There is one thing I would like to add, for clarification:


Hmm I think someone with a grudge killed both men, and since they both have right wing sympathies, I'm going to have to vote for Lemur as the killer

My sympathies lie firmly with the left. I'm unsure as to whether anyone
would bother to carry out political killings, but if they did they were attacking
both sides. [Or yes, they were as confused as Dutch_guy.]

[Dutch_guy]

My sympathies lie firmly with the left. I'm unsure as to whether anyone
would bother to carry out political killings, but if they did they were attacking
both sides.

Ah I recalled you voted right in a backroom poll, clearly that was not the case then !

Sorry if I offended you in any way.

:balloon2:

[scotchedpommes]

Ah I recalled you voted right in a backroom poll, clearly that was not the case then !

Sorry if I offended you in any way.

:balloon2:

Poll (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=2101).

Perhaps being strangely lumped next to Strike did the trick. In any case, if you
suffer a painful death in any future game, it won't be down to me.

[Kommodus]

Concerning the "Superman" idea: it's not a new component for the traditional mafia game, although it's referred to by different names. Some games of mafia I've played in the past have a player who is designated the "doctor."

Like the detective, the doctor is chosen randomly and not named. During each turn, he chooses one player who he thinks the mafia will attack (he can choose himself if desired). If he guesses correctly, that player is spared and not killed. The game moderator does announce which player was attacked and saved. Like the detective, the doctor can be killed by the mafia or executed by the people.

The idea adds a new dynamic to the game, and works fine. In fact, I've played some games that have no detective, but do have a doctor. (Those games are usually played with a small number of people, in which there can be only one mafia.)

I'll leave it to GH to determine whether or not to include a doctor in the next game. The drawbacks are that it adds more complexity and is harder to keep track of, and also could mean more waiting for the doctor's PM. Also, if you have both a detective and a doctor, you probably want three mafia, meaning that you also need a larger initial group.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. After a long night many of the villagers had just gone down to sleep, trying to get a little rest in before they started the day. This included the mafia.

However, many villagers realized over the course of the day that the pathetic amount of sleep they had gotten wouldn't be enough. So, during the afternoon, Kagemusha begun his pre-nap meditations. In his state of increased sensitivity, he hears his front door creak open. Sure enough, about a minute later the same noise occurs, except this time with his bedroom door. Kage turns around slowly.

"I've been expecting you," he says as he brings out his giant katana from out of nowhere. "So you think you can kill me, huh? I shall give you a chance. Where is your sword?"

The mafioso just chuckled. "I didn't bring one." However, he did bring a loaded shotgun, pumping it once and taking aim. Kage looked shocked.

"Where is your honor? Put the gun down and let's settle this the old-fashioned way."

"Honor?" A sinister laugh escapes the mafioso. "I'm in the mafia. We have no honor. Besides, I play by my own rules. You dared to call me a 'newbie mafioso' and you shall die for your insolence."

Kage mumbled something to himself about there being honor in the mafia last month, but then spoke aloud to the mafioso:

"So you will not fight me like a man, eh? So be it. I will win anyway." He then executed a flying leap, ready to strike the mafioso down. Surprised, the mafioso fired low, with fragments only clipping Kage's foot and lower leg. It was enough to bring him down, but not for long. He crawled for the mafioso, katana raised. The mafioso jumped back just in time to avoid Kage's deadly swing. He then pumped, aimed, and fired. After making sure Kage was dead, he quickly departed.

Later in the afternoon, Divine Wind was also meditating, but in his own backyard. He was even deeper into it than Kage, deep enough to be in a state of semi-nirvana. Because he was somewhere between this world and a higher plane of reality, DW did not notice such things as an evil presence sneaking through his house, looking for him.

Eventually the confused mafioso looked out a window and spotted DW in the backyard. Taking a chance that DW wouldn't notice, the mafioso slipped out the back door and neared his target.

Finally, DW realized something was wrong and got out of his meditating. He turned around, only to find the mafioso grinning, stiletto raised.

"Caught ya," he said, and stabbed. DW was hit in the heart and quickly faded. The mafioso then proceeded to carve the word "INFORMER" out on the corpse. Finally, he departed.

Later that day, Chief of Police Beirut addressed the ever-dwindling villagers.

"Gentlemen," he began, "as you all know there have been two more deaths. I am also informing you that since my last axe was... uh... caught, people with the most votes will now be executed by firing squad. Namely me and BKS. So get voting!"

Wow, the two finalists from last game go down together...

~~~~~~~~~
Oh, regarding the Superman/Doctor issue, I've got an idea in mind for next game that's something like it, but a little more passive. Depending on the success of the mafia/villagers, I'll be putting in a "kung-fu master" role where, if targeted, he takes his killer down with him. What do you guys think of that instead?

[Stormcrow]

Why do you frame me GHC ?
Or did the killers PM you to include the newbie maffioso part?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Kage's killer PM'd me.

I have the PM to prove it, but I'd rather not show it to you while the game is going on.

[UltraWar]

hmm this is a intresting turn of events...

I will stick to Dutch_Guy as I have a feeling that all is not as it seems...

[Stormcrow]

Dutch guy wouldn't set me up, I saved him by voting for DemonArchangel. Instead I studied the currently online list & saw Destroyer of Hope Private messaging..about 10 mins later the kills were posted.

So my vote goes to him.

[Dutch_guy]

Destroyer of Hope.

:balloon2:

[Lemur]

Why do you frame me GHC ?
Or did the killers PM you to include the newbie maffioso part?
I am truly, deply confused. How was Stormcrow framed? Why was DW called an informer? Am I not paying enough attention, or is there a real pattern emerging?

[edit]

Based on Stormcrow's explanation, I'm changing my vote to Destroyer of Hope.

[Stormcrow]

No! Trust me on DoH ! I saw him PM-ing just before the kills !

I feel framed because on page 9 Kage (falsely) accused me & called me a newbie maffioso...

[Kagemusha]

Ah..So much for the happy retirement days.:embarassed: I guess the pension benefits for old mafiosos arent that great anyway.Live by the sword...Die by the shotgun.~:smoking: My last Nostradamic foresight is that the two Mafiosos are the Stormcrow and Ultrawar.But who cares what the dead think anyway.:bow:

[Stormcrow]

:no:

[The Spartan (Returns)]

whispers from the dead: becareful Kage for your wisdom, the mafia may target you next.


Ah..So much for the happy retirement days.:embarassed: I guess the pension benefits for old mafiosos arent that great anyway.Live by the sword...Die by the shotgun.~:smoking: My last Nostradamic foresight is that the two Mafiosos are the Stormcrow and Ultrawar.But who cares what the dead think anyway.:bow:whispers from the dead: i knew you were next. but what a great way to die. i wish i could have died like that. people im telling you its : Tiberius.

[The Spartan (Returns)]

whispers of the dead :skull: people (in a hiss) i think i remembered who killed me it wasss Ice or or Tiberiussssssbut it could have been SSNeoperestroika! avnenge the lambda!!! avenge Sparta!!! (vanishing voice with wind blowind to a silence)another whisper from the dead: of one of these three.

[The Spartan (Returns)]

whispers of the dead :skull: people (in a hiss) i think i remembered who killed me it wasss Ice or or Tiberiussssssbut it could have been SSNeoperestroika! avnenge the lambda!!! avenge Sparta!!! (vanishing voice with wind blowind to a silence)another whisper from the dead: of one of these three cept SSNeo.

[Ignoramus]

I think Destroyer of Hope is one of the mafia. So he gets my vote.

[Avicenna]

The Spartan: Ice is dead already. ~;)

DoH

[GeneralHankerchief]

The Spartan: Ice is dead already. ~;)

EDIT: No he isn't. :inquisitive:

[Cowhead418]

I'll hop on the DOH bandwagon. I've noticed he hasn't posted in a long while. Why join this game if you aren't going to participate? It ruins all the fun...~:confused:

[Avicenna]

Ahh, whoops. His avatar and Silver Rusher's are too similar :embarassed:

Ice is away in Europe anyhow, so he won't be very active.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

I guess DOH sounds fairly good, but don't worry Tiberius I still think there's a good chance you did it.

[Zalmoxis]

I may be dead, but I think that Tiberius might have killed me. Don't put too much hope into it though.

[Silver Rusher]

Concerning the "Superman" idea: it's not a new component for the traditional mafia game, although it's referred to by different names. Some games of mafia I've played in the past have a player who is designated the "doctor."

Like the detective, the doctor is chosen randomly and not named. During each turn, he chooses one player who he thinks the mafia will attack (he can choose himself if desired). If he guesses correctly, that player is spared and not killed. The game moderator does announce which player was attacked and saved. Like the detective, the doctor can be killed by the mafia or executed by the people.

The idea adds a new dynamic to the game, and works fine. In fact, I've played some games that have no detective, but do have a doctor. (Those games are usually played with a small number of people, in which there can be only one mafia.)

I'll leave it to GH to determine whether or not to include a doctor in the next game. The drawbacks are that it adds more complexity and is harder to keep track of, and also could mean more waiting for the doctor's PM. Also, if you have both a detective and a doctor, you probably want three mafia, meaning that you also need a larger initial group.
Wow, I didn't know that. I just made up my idea and it happens to be exactly the same as that. :laugh4:


Oh, regarding the Superman/Doctor issue, I've got an idea in mind for next game that's something like it, but a little more passive. Depending on the success of the mafia/villagers, I'll be putting in a "kung-fu master" role where, if targeted, he takes his killer down with him. What do you guys think of that instead?
This idea is quite good, but the kung-fu master won't actually be able to do anything on most turns except try to draw the mafia towards him/her. But seeing as it doesn't really add much complication to the game, perhaps both ideas could be implemented.

EDIT: Hmm, Tiberius is trying hard to protect Ice. Maybe he made the 'mistake' of thinking Ice was dead as an excuse to try and protect him, because both he and Ice are the mafiosi!

My suspects list:
Dutch_Guy (I have already explained Dutch_Guy, as well as Tiberius and Ice)
Tiberius
Ice
DoH (Stormcrow says he saw DoH PMing before the kills)
Stormcrow (He could be lying in an attempt to focus all the attention on someone else so that he won't get executed. However, I only suspect him on the principal of this possibility, but to be honest no Mafia member would attract so much attention to themselves in such a huge gamble)

However, I think the mafia is still much more likely to be another member who is lying low to avoid the public gaze. If I were a mafioso, that's what I would do.

[Kommodus]

Destroyer of Hope

[Craterus]

Hey GeneralHankerchief, it's great that you run this game and it's loads of fun trying to work it all out but can you post a list of who's alive, executed, killed and so on after every murder(s). I've got a Word document here and it's a bit behind. Thanks in advance.

I'd like to vote for: UltraWar

[GeneralHankerchief]

A few things.

Regarding the Superman/Doctor/Kung-fu master issue: The main thing for me is I don't want it to be too complicated. If I implement a "save somebody else" - type role, first of all it would be somewhat difficulting remembering who targets who, etc. Second thing is it will now be at least an extra PM every session. Keeping in mind that I have three PMs per session already, not to mention the countless replies if something is wrong, conversations, and requests by you guys (nothing wrong with that btw), my PM box fills pretty quickly. Considering the fact that I'm also (hopefully) about to take a much larger part in the Will of the Senate PBeM I'm sure I'll be getting PMs flying my way.

Meanwhile, all I have to do for the kung-fu master is inform him of his role at the beginning of the game, and the next time we hear from him is if he's targeted by the mafia (if he's not executed by the villagers that is).

Regarding when I post the status list: I do this after every execution instead of just every event to make it easier on the important characters. Since I inform the mafia/detective in my initial PM that they are to give me their name for the next session after I post the status list, it would confuse them if I did it right after I posted the kills. Yes, it's a slight annoyance for me to go back an extra page or two to copy the list, but it's no big deal.

Regarding the execution: It's pretty clear that Destroyer of Hope will be executed this round so I'm closing voting. I'll post the execution soon, but I have to do some things first so don't expect it for another hour or so.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Chief of Police Beirut finished tallying the votes.

"Well," he said to fellow officer Big King Sanctaphrax, "that was easy. It's about time we had an easy one." BKS nodded. Finally they would all get some sleep.

"You go set up for the execution. I'll bring everyone over." BKS nodded and left. Beirut then addressed the crowd.

"Gentlemen," he began, "rejoice! For there will be no re-vote!" Everyone cheered at this except for Destroyer of Hope, who was overwhelmingly named as the killer. He groaned as Beirut came for him. Groaning, however, wouldn't solve his predicament, so he took a more pro-active approach: he ran for it.

However, this wouldn't be such a daring escape as in many movies that DoH had seen. He was quickly tackled by the angry crowd and dragged to the execution site where BKS had prepared for his arrival. Before he could do anything about it, DoH was blindfolded and slammed to the wall, stunning him for a couple of seconds. When he recovered, he desperately tried to get a last word in.

"I'm inno-" BLAM!

The firing squad had completed their duty. But soon a much louder explosion rocked the night. Before anything knew what happened, they were all thrown back by the force of the very near police station going up in a fiery inferno. Shocked, the two police officers screamed for everyone to leave. They then stared at the ashy remains of their station.

The message was clear: At least one of the mafia was still out there. And it would be war.

Here is the voting total for Session 5:

Destroyer of Hope: 8 :skull:
Dutch_guy: 1
UltraWar: 1

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive:
Ice
Lehesu
Uesugi Kenshin
Hiji
Lemur
Ignoramus
Tiberius
Dutch_guy
Stormcrow
Kommodus
Kralizec
Cowhead418
Craterus
UltraWar
Alexander the Pretty Good

Neither killed nor executed but still dead:
evil_maniac from mars
littlelostboy

Killed:
Eclectic
Zalmoxis
The Spartan
Peasant Phill
Sasaki Kojiro
discovery1
SSNeoperestroika
Crazed Rabbit
Kagemusha
Divine Wind

Executed:
AggonyDuck
Csar
Silver Rusher
DemonArchangel
Destroyer of Hope

note: the exploding police station was done purely for story effect. Please do not take it into account when naming the mafia.

[The Spartan (Returns)]

whispers from the dead: so theres only one mafioso left?

[GeneralHankerchief]

At least one, Spartan.

*everyone grumbles as they realize GH hasn't revealed anything*

[Csargo]

I still thinks its Craterus. But I'm dead.

[Stormcrow]

I think we should get to know if we killed a maffioso..
Does the other one get to kill 2 people now, or just 1 ?

[The Spartan (Returns)]

whispers from the dead: we would. in the last mafia game when we killed a mafioso he left a note.

[GeneralHankerchief]

whispers from the dead: we would. in the last mafia game when we killed a mafioso he left a note.

Both mafiosi were alive at the time of the note last game.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. The villagers having finally caught up on their sleep (despite the fact that the police station exploded last night), the day proceeded pretty much normally. Well, normally aside from the fact that at least one person was out to kill all the villagers.

Ignoramus had his suspicions about one villager. They had been building for a while now, and Ig finally decided to do something about it. He wanted to make absolutely sure that his suspicions were correct, since he knew that they were just suspicions.

Ig knew he had to keep his guard up as he pulled into his suspect's driveway. However, to his surprise, the suspect invites him in for tea. A little startled, Ig accepts and they both go inside.

Ignoramus' surprise and doubt soon wore off as their conversation began. After a while, he got down to the meat of it.

"I think you're in the mafia. I think you've been killing off the villagers. You've been confusing us and making us turn on each other the whole time! YOU ARE THE SITH LORD WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR!"

(GeneralHankerchief note to self: scratch that last bit)

The suspect denied everything, and told Ig that he was off his rocker. Ig laid out his reasons, and the suspect responded by telling his accuser that he was high. Fed up, Ignoramus got up to leave and said one last thing:

"I'm sorry, but you don't convince me. I'm going to the police to report my findings."

"Ha! Just try and do it. You don't think the police get tons of these 'suspicions'? Plus, their station just blew up. They have a million things to do that's more important than listening to you. Now, if you would please be on your way out..."

The suspect showed Ignoramus the door, who promptly started to walk outside it. Before he knew what happened, he had taken a blackjack to the back of the neck and was knocked out cold. The suspect, now revealed as the mafioso, finished the job with a bit of twine, strangling him to death in case he wasn't dead already. He then proceeded to bury Ig's body in his backyard. The police had other things to do besides look for a body.

The rest of the day went by without incident. Chief of Police Beirut announced that Ignoramus had disappeared, but he might have just ran away (why didn't anybody else do that?) and was still hopeful. Thus, everybody went to sleep thinking that the mafia were finally gone. What a shame it was the Ig had ran away after it was safe. Night and a thunderstorm fell.

Uesugi Kenshin woke up, but not to the sound of thunder. It was a window breaking in another part of the house. Knowing what was coming, Kenshin quickly prepared for the mafioso by crouching in a ready position.

Sure enough, the bedroom door was kicked open, mafioso behind it, knife in hand. Kenshin pounced. The fight was on. It appeared that the mafioso gained the upper hand by cutting Kenshin's throat, but he quickly rebounded by elbowing his attacker in the lungs, leaving him gasping for air.

Kenshin ran out of the house. The cut wasn't too deep, so it wouldn't be fatal. It still really hurt, however. He needed someone to help at this ungodly hour. Stumbling into the street, he tried to yell something-anything- the mafioso's name, "help," but it was no use with the stupid cut. He would just have to run to Beirut's temporary headquarters and somehow alert him.

He didn't see two things. The mafioso running out after him, fully recovered, pistol in hand, and the lightning bolt from above. Although he really couldn't do anything about the second thing. And so Uesugi Kenshin was turned into ash faster than the police station he was running to by a bolt that was hotter than the sun. The mafioso saw his remains and smirked. Just for good measure, he fired two shots at the ash and disappeared.

Unluckily for him, the shots got Beirut's attention. He groaned when he saw Kenshin's remains and the bullets near them. Ignoramus was probably dead too, then. Yawning, he called up all the villagers to come to the town center and started a new vote. And thus, at 2 in the morning, a new vote began.

[UltraWar]

:inquisitive: This seems to be getting very intresting indeed... :inquisitive:

I would have to stick with Dutch_guy as I am going with a instinct...

[Uesugi Kenshin]

Wow I am apparently fairly difficult to kill.

:skull:

[Craterus]

I think it was UltraWar, but I'm on a different computer to the one with my Word document. I believe he was my main suspect at the last check.

[Kommodus]

Guys... I'm thinking it's Lemur.

Since the beginning of the game I've been keeping a spreadsheet in order to mathematically analyze the voting patterns and see if any emerged. The longer the game progresses, the more accurate my analysis should become. I can't guarantee accuracy at this point, and I'm not going to reveal my method to make sure the mafia don't deliberately throw it off in the future, but the evidence points to Lemur.

I'd also like to note that the method of the killings has been notably creative. It takes an intelligent, innovative mind to come up with such things. Now I know there are many intelligent people still left alive, but I can imagine these things coming from a mind such as Lemur's.

(Note: My second argument is a bit weak, so if you don't buy it, ignore it and focus on the first. I believe my mathematical methods should yield results.)

[Craterus]

Haha, my detective work would work a lot better in an an Excel spreadsheet. Why didn't I think of that? :wall:

[Dutch_guy]

Going to vote for UltraWar.


:balloon2:

[Csargo]

I think it was UltraWar and I'm really sure it is.

I say off with his head. But a gunshot works just as good.

[Silver Rusher]

I'd also like to note that the method of the killings has been notably creative. It takes an intelligent, innovative mind to come up with such things. Now I know there are many intelligent people still left alive, but I can imagine these things coming from a mind such as Lemur's.
Nice tactics, using flattery to draw the killer our into the open. ~;)

[UltraWar]

I think it was UltraWar and I'm really sure it is.

I say off with his head. But a gunshot works just as good.
Actually I would prefer being killed by strangling with Rosemary beads...but nevermind...:shame: I guess everyone will just vote me and kill a innocent...oh well at least I get to meet my god earlier than was expected...

[Csargo]

Its just business for me.

[The Spartan (Returns)]

Actually I would prefer being killed by strangling with Rosemary beads...but nevermind...:shame: I guess everyone will just vote me and kill a innocent...oh well at least I get to meet my god earlier than was expected...whispers from the dead: maybe your the antichrist! seeming so innocent and wanting to die by holy beads sounds like him! but i still think it was Ice or Tiberius.

[Lemur]

Ultrawar. And Kommodus, I would really rather be assassinated than lynched.

[Ignoramus]

No! I'm dead! Killed by death!

A note found in my pocket:
Someone musn't like Citadel TW, Uesugi and I are both members of it.

[Cowhead418]

Hmmm... I'm going to vote Alexander the Pretty Good. You haven't posted in a long while. Perhaps you are trying to lay low and avoid the public eye?:inquisitive:

[Avicenna]

Uhh... The Spartan: If you check, Ice hasn't visited for a week today now. He's left to Europe.

I'm voting Lemur.

If I die next round, you know who to vote for now.

[Kommodus]

Nice tactics, using flattery to draw the killer our into the open. ~;)

Actually, I didn't intend flattery; it's not as though I agree with Lemur on everything. I just felt that he matched our killer's MO.

And Lemur, don't take it personally (I know you won't). It's just that the evidence points to you right now.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

I think the next execution should be done via giant Tesla Coil a la Red Alert.

But that's just me wanting to have someone else experience being flash-fried nearly instantaneously.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Ultrawar.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I think the next execution should be done via giant Tesla Coil a la Red Alert.

But that's just me wanting to have someone else experience being flash-fried nearly instantaneously.

:laugh4:

What I like to do is switch up the means of execution after every two sessions. However, I don't want to repeat any from last time so I'm always looking for more.

Chief of Police Beirut, from his makeshift HQ, has noted your suggestion and thanks you for it. :book:

[The Spartan (Returns)]

Uhh... The Spartan: If you check, Ice hasn't visited for a week today now. He's left to Europe.whispers from the dead: oh i forgot.

[Craterus]

You guys REALLY believe he's in Europe? Tssss.. I think that's a big fat lie. Don't let last visit dates fool you, a clever mafioso would use invisible mode.

And if it's not a lie, he's not much use having in the village, is he? So he may as well be killed off in the next round.

[John86]

Ice
When EMFM knew he wouldnt be active, he told GH and removed himself. Ice obviously is still active.

[Kralizec]

I'm saying Lemur is the guilty one. All this talk "I hope I don't get lynched again, like you bastards did last time" is making him very suspect.

[Lemur]

Obviously, I need to defend myself with a little more vigor. Allow me to make some points.

(1) Kommodus's spreadsheet is a bit suspect. If he has certain measurements or factors that he's taking into account, that would be nice to hear about. As it stands, we have nothing but his word. It's kinda Kafka-esque to try to defend myself when the evidence is unshowable. At least weigh in your mind that it's equally unkown to you.

(2) The creativity thing is nice and all, and I'm terribly flattered, but the kills have not been exceptionally clever, and I don't think I'm the only clever person in this thread. Point of fact, it's less that his notion is flattering to me, and more that this theory is quite insulting to everyone else.

(3) Dutch_Guy accused me of not only being mafia, but being an anti-conservative mafioso. I think that theory has been put to rest pretty soundly. As I recall, one of his declared Conservative Victims turned out to be a lefty, and as it happened the people being killed were the ones who had been cleared by the detective. So that accusation turned out to be suspicious in and of itself, eh Dutch_Guy?

(4) There was a time when GenHanky was complaining that the mafia weren't sending him names for kills. I remind you that I was posting during that period.

(5) If I get falsely lynched again, I will send my brood to eat your hearts and gouge out your eyes. There will be no mercy this time.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Holding off on the execution for a little bit. There's a slight situation going on over at Hankerchief Hill and it needs to be resolved.

In the meantime three people still have not voted. Some may be inactive, but I know at least one isn't. So get voting, you three.

[Avicenna]

Craterus: if you turn on invisible mode, you can't see the 'Last visited' part. It simply is not there.

Check Lehesu's or one of the mods'.

[GeneralHankerchief]

It was extremely late at night. Or possibly very early in the morning. All anyone knew was that it was an ungodly hour, and they were standing in the middle of a thunderstorm, casting votes for who they think killed Ignoramus and Uesugi Kenshin. However, there was one positive to all this. Because of the conditions they were in, everyone rushed their votes in order to get out. They still had enough time to toss accusations and defend themselves as well.

A very wet Chief of Police Beirut tallied the votes and made his announcement to the crowd.

"Gentl-"

BOOM!

"Lousy thunder," he muttered to himself. "Gentlemen, we have a-"

"BOOM!"

"Oh ******* ** **** ******** *** ****! It's UltraWar. Someone bring him over here so we can just shoot him and get this over with." The ever-dwindling villagers complied, and soon UltraWar was standing against the wall, blindfolded. Beirut and BKS were facing him, guns up. Normally they would take last words but it was just too late and too nasty out for it. Instead, they just aimed and pulled their triggers.

Click.

What proceeded was five minutes of uninterrupted cursing by the man who had nailed so many for "un-Frontroomish language." The general gist of it was "the bullets got wet," minus about three thousand colorful adjectives. BKS finally calmed him down and were contemplating how to execute UltraWar. Finally the condemned spoke.

"Uh, as I mentioned before, you could just strangle me with these Rosemary beads in my pocket." Completely fed up, the police officers grabbed the beads and proceeded to grant UW's wish. He did manage to get out a few words before the deed was finished, however.

"At least I get away from all this stress. Goodbye, Frontroom! You won't be *choke* missed! And the four who voted for me- I hope the mafia give you a *gasp* slow, painful death!"

Here is the voting total for Session 6:

UltraWar: 4 :skull:
Lemur: 3
Dutch_guy, Alexander the Pretty Good, Ice: 1 each

~~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive:
Ice
Lehesu
Hiji
Lemur
Tiberius
Dutch_guy
Stormcrow
Kommodus
Kralizec
Cowhead418
Craterus
Alexander the Pretty Good

Neither killed nor executed but still dead:
evil_maniac from mars
littlelostboy

Killed:
Eclectic
Zalmoxis
The Spartan
Peasant Phill
Sasaki Kojiro
discovery1
SSNeoperestroika
Crazed Rabbit
Kagemusha
Divine Wind
Ignoramus
Uesugi Kenshin

Executed:
AggonyDuck
Csar
Silver Rusher
DemonArchangel
Destroyer of Hope
UltraWar

[Csargo]

Well is that the end of it or is there still another mafia.

If it isn't then I think Tiberius is the mafia he acts kinda strange.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hmm, it's a 2/3 chance that there are still 2 mafia left, right?

[Ignoramus]

Can I run for president of the "killed by mafia" club?

[Csargo]

Can I run for president of the "killed by mafia" club?

:idea2: Only if I can be vice-president.

[Avicenna]

Reserve a council spot for me please. ~:)

[Ignoramus]

Reserve a council spot for me please. ~:)
You are disqualfied from running if the mob kills you.

[The Spartan (Returns)]

whispers grom the dead: UW was a mafiaoso wow! know all we do is choose Ice, Tiberius and were done! but now i have suspicions of Lemur and Craterus!

[Kommodus]

whispers grom the dead: UW was a mafiaoso wow! know all we do is choose Ice, Tiberius and were done! but now i have suspicions of Lemur and Craterus!

What makes you so sure UltraWar was a mafioso?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Day breaks in the South of France. All is quiet. All is beautiful. It's just another day in paradise. And one thing was certain: It was miles away from the Frontroom.

Ice had been vacationing there for some time when it became clear that the mafia were here to stay in the Frontroom. He was still stressed about the events (he was kept up to date by way of the paper), but luckily did not have to live in fear of the mafia.

Or so he thought.

He arose in his rented apartment to the sound of a knocking on the door. Instantly alert, he checked to see who it was, but was relieved when he saw apartment staff. He opened the door.

"Monsieur Glace, un package pour vous." Ice sighed.

"C'est Ice. C'est ma nom." The staff just nodded pleasantly and left. Ice looked at his package. It was weirdly shaped, and making a funny noise inside. Ice turned it around to find a note.

"You're next. You didn't think you could escape our wrath, did you?"

Oh, no.

He ran for the balcony to toss it as far as he could. He set up to heave- he moved his arms back in preparation-

BOOM.

He was a little too slow. And just like that, Ice's European vacation ended abruptly.

Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. A few hours later Chief of Police Beirut woke to a ringing. He was dead tired. He wondered how somebody got his new number after the original police phone went up in flames. Nevertheless, he picked up.

"Hello."

After the conversation was over, Beirut sighed. He made the announcement to the Frontroom.

Everyone had gathered at the pub to celebrate Ice's memory. It was a somber mood, and things went slow. Pretty soon there were only two people left in there: Alexander the Pretty Good and his friend, who were discussing who could have killed Ice.

They left, still talking. They started naming names, and getting animated. Neither of their names came up, however, and thus the discussion was kept civil. When they reached APG's doorstep, he reached out to shake hands. Before he realized what was happening, his friend, the mafioso, pulled out a silenced pistol and shot him in the eye, leaving him crumpled on his own doorstep.

A few hours later, Chief of Police Beirut made another to everybody gathered at the town center.

"Gentlemen," he began, "it's time for another vote. But the good thing is, at least this time it's not late at night and in a thunderstorm."

[The Spartan (Returns)]

What makes you so sure UltraWar was a mafioso?


"At least I get away from all this stress. Goodbye, Frontroom! You won't be *choke* missed! And the four who voted for me- I hope the mafia give you a *gasp* slow, painful death!"
replay from the dead: well what he said.

[The Spartan (Returns)]

whispers from the dead: well it's Tiberius, Craterus or Lemur!

[Cowhead418]

EDIT: Wow, I'm amazed. Tiberius is the detective? My vote is changed to Lemur.

[Cowhead418]

Double Post

[Craterus]

I've heard about Tiberius' odd chatroom escapades, so I'll vote for him.

But I think Hiji is extremely suspicious too. He is often absent from this thread, but I see him posting elsewhere on the forum. But when people pick up on this absence, he reappears. Coincidence? I think not. ~;)

EDIT2: In the light of new evidence, I shall vote for Lemur.

[Kommodus]

I still think it's Lemur so I'm voting for him... but does anyone else find it odd that Lehesu hasn't voted even once in this game? Does anyone know where he is?

I will try to get online when I'm less busy and explain my analysis. The fewer people are left, the less it matters who knows.

[Cowhead418]

But I think Hiji is extremely suspicious too. He is often absent from this thread, but I see him posting elsewhere on the forum. But when people pick up on this absence, he reappears. Coincidence? I think not. ~;)To expand even further, where is Lehesu? I don't think he has posted since his post asking to join, yet he has also been active elsewhere on the forum.:inquisitive:

EDIT: Kommodus beat me to it.~:)

[Dutch_guy]

Hiji

:balloon2:

[Craterus]

Are mafia members allowed to vote on executions? :inquisitive: I assume they are, otherwise it would be too easy to spot them?

[Lemur]

Based on the chatroom rumors, I'm going to say Tiberius.

[Silver Rusher]

I'm dead, but I am now thoroughly convinced that Tiberius is a, if not the, mafioso.

Try to enter the mafia mindset for a moment. You have been chosen for the mafia. What would you do? Would you post a lot, expressing your suspicions for others, doing 'detective' work etc. and attract a lot of attention at the same time, or would you lie low, occasionally scapegoating other people at good opportunities? To my knowledge, this is what Tiberius has been doing; not only that, but apparently he has been incredibly suspicious in the chatroom (not that I would base it on this, but it all fits at the moment) and there is some degree of suspicion in his posts too.

If you want to stop the mafia, vote Tiberius for execution now!

[Lemur]

Tiberius is a, if not the, mafioso.
I would like a clarification from GeneralHanky. If we successfully kill one of the mafia, will the remaining mafioso be able to kill one or two people per turn? Because Silver Rusher is suggesting that a single mafioso can kill two, and that's not how I thought this game works. Allowing a single mafioso to kill two of us at a time seems like an imbalancing rule.

Nerf the mafia!

[Lemur hides under his desk.]

[Dutch_guy]

I would like a clarification from GeneralHanky. If we successfully kill one of the mafia, will the remaining mafioso be able to kill one or two people per turn? Because Silver Rusher is suggesting that a single mafioso can kill two, and that's not how I thought this game works. Allowing a single mafioso to kill two of us at a time seems like an imbalancing rule.

Nerf the mafia!

[Lemur hides under his desk.]

Yes, a mafioso can kill two people, even if there is only one mafioso left, it keeps the villagers guessing as to how much of the enemy are left.

It Was the same last game, where one of the mafia ( Shadows ) was executed fairly early in the game...

It adds to the tension if the villagers don't know when or if they manage to get an execution right....:dizzy2:

:balloon2:

[Craterus]

Can we get a limit on the number of "whispers from the dead"? It's becoming shameless spam and in the interest of preserving the good name of spam, I say we put a limit on them or even abolish the idea completely.

[Dutch_guy]

If banning the wispers is a bit too harsh, then at least limit the amount of ''wispers from the dead''.

I understand that getting killed early on would then mean watching from the side lines for the further duration of the game, but well, GHK could always employ some sort of medium who could ask the dead to....say...vote in a tiebreaker - like what happened in the first game.

:balloon2:

[The Spartan (Returns)]

Can I run for president of the "killed by mafia" club?whispers from the dead: only if i am Strategos/Imperator.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Yes, a mafioso can kill two people, even if there is only one mafioso left, it keeps the villagers guessing as to how much of the enemy are left.

It Was the same last game, where one of the mafia ( Shadows ) was executed fairly early in the game...

It adds to the tension if the villagers don't know when or if they manage to get an execution right....:dizzy2:

:balloon2:

Your post is half-correct.

A mafioso will kill two people once his partner is executed; this is stated in the rules on the very first post.

However, this was not the case last game. Shadows received lots of votes early on but survived. By the time he was finally executed, the game was down to only Kagemusha and Divine Wind so Kage's new strength meant absolutely nothing.


Can we get a limit on the number of "whispers from the dead"? It's becoming shameless spam and in the interest of preserving the good name of spam, I say we put a limit on them or even abolish the idea completely.

It's slightly annoying. I don't mind in-depth posts like Silver Rusher's, or even Spartan's for that matter because he labels it "whispers from the dead." However, Csar's almost slipped votes by me a couple times and that's pretty aggravating.

Perhaps in the future the dead could be limited to commentary, or putting some in-depth reasoning after they say who they think it is. No more "I think it's so-and-so"- end of post. Also, if you guys could please just put a reminder when saying who you think it is that you're dead, I would really appreciate it.

I'm not a mod so I can't really limit this.

[Avicenna]

Time to reveal myself.

I am the detective, and I have bolded those that are suspects, and the underlined Lemur is a mafia who killed Alexander this time round.

Innocents aren't bolded or underlined, and I have reasons for why they are innocent.

Lehesu
Hiji (unsure, but he voted for dead Eclectic)
Lemur GUILTY!
Tiberius (detective)
Dutch_guy (voted for Lemur)
Stormcrow (voted for by Lemur, investigated)
Kommodus (argued that Lemur was mafia correctly, risking life)
Kralizec (voted for Lemur, was going to be killed this round by him but changed)
Cowhead418
Craterus

The other mafioso is still alive, as Lemur is only killing one per round.

Why the executed are innocent:

AggonyDuck (hell, voted for himself!)
Csar (Lemur voted for him)
Silver Rusher (investigated)
DemonArchangel (investigated)
Destroyer of Hope (voted for by Lemur)
UltraWar (voted for by Lemur)

Out of the three, I'm suspecting Craterus the most and then Cowhead the second. After the execution I will reveal whether Craterus is innocent or not and then you can execute him or Cowhead depending on the result. After that, if not them, then Lehesu, and the game is over.

Oh, by the way. If anyone wants me to prove that I am the detective and not Sasaki, just PM me and I can forward one of GHC's replies to me.

EDIT: By the way, I still want the council spot. I'm good as nailed next turn ~:)

[Avicenna]

I would like a clarification from GeneralHanky. If we successfully kill one of the mafia, will the remaining mafioso be able to kill one or two people per turn? Because Silver Rusher is suggesting that a single mafioso can kill two, and that's not how I thought this game works. Allowing a single mafioso to kill two of us at a time seems like an imbalancing rule.

Nerf the mafia!

[Lemur hides under his desk.]

Don't worry Lemur, your buddy can kill me and someone else next round ~;)

[Lemur]

I certainly am popular as an accusee this round and last. Tiberius, you're the second person to claim to be the detective. Credentials, please?

[Avicenna]

Okay, forwarding you the PM that shows you were guilty.

...and to everyone else who voted this round.

Here's the PM by the way:

Lemur is guilty! ~:eek:

Your investigation also reveals that he has killed the following:

-Zalmoxis, using him as attack duck food
-The Spartan, strangling him while drunk
-Sasaki Kojiro, blasting him in the roof of the mouth

And my first one:

As you may know, I recently killed off evil_maniac from mars in the mafia thread due to the fact that he would be going on a trip and would not be present for the rest of the game. If you didn't know... sorry I spoiled it for you.

Anyways, EMFM was also the Detective in the game and requested in his PM to me that the role be passed on. After some deliberation, I agreed and randomly selected you to take his place.

Basically your role is to PM me after every execution and provide me with the name of an alive user whom you wish to "investigate." I will reply telling you whether that person is guilty or not.

You can reveal your role at any time, but be careful when you do because unless your timing is perfect, you will almost surely be targeted by the mafia.

While your role is important, it is not as important as the mafia's and if I'm waiting on you for a PM and it's been a decent amount of time, the game will proceed. Basically just make sure not to wait forever to PM me.

Uh, just to pass along some help, EMFM already investigated Ice and found that he was innocent. I await your first investigation.

Best of luck in finding the mafia! :2thumbsup:

General Hankerchief

And from the former 'detective':


Hi, I'm not a mafioso, so don't worry.

What are you trying to do? :inquisitive:

Tiberius

I had 5 votes for me and was clearly going to be executed. This way I at least get to clear the name of one more person or possibly even discover one of the mafiosi.

Sasaki

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

I gotta get some better friends! :help:

Shot in the eye... :wall:

Survived longer than last game though. :sweatdrop:

[Stormcrow]

Lemur then, hoping you really are the detective...

[Avicenna]

Hmm, almost forgot.

I vote Lemur.

EDIT: that makes it 3:3 detective:mafia ~:)

[Lemur]

Only two people would be bold enough to declare themselves the detective and show evidence: the detective and the mafia.

Look at how hard it is to generate the evidence:

Tiberius is guilty! ~:eek:

Your investigation also reveals that he has killed the following:

-Zalmoxis, using him as attack duck food
-The Spartan, strangling him while drunk
-Sasaki Kojiro, blasting him in the roof of the mouth
In fact, I think this is the perfect way for a mafioso losing in the votes to protect himself. Think about it, folks. We were getting ready to execute him, and suddenly he's got iron-clad proof that counts for nothing at all. It ain't hard to fake a few PMs.

He's going to get away clean, and you're not even going to think about voting for him. It's freakin' perfect.

[Ignoramus]

Somehow, that(Lemur says) all sounds hollow and false.

R.I.P. Tiberius

[The Spartan (Returns)]

whispers from the dead: no dont listen to Lemur! he lies! but its hard to believe both.

[Lemur]

I'm going to brave the whispers of the dead and throw down my theory -- the real detective was killed, and now the mafioso is feeling secure enough to claim he's the real deal in order to avoid a lynching. Think about it. His evidence is easy to fake, and his timing is really convenient.

[edit]

Also note that everyone he names as a suspect is someone who voted for him this round. Coincidence, right?

[Avicenna]

So, he asks for proof and then he discounts it as nothing soon after. Sorry mister Mafia, you've been busted by the detective and by Kommodus.

By the way, I love how most people who have voted for you have been slain by the mafia, apart from:
Kommodus, who is avidly going for you, so his death will prove you're mafia.
Myself, as I stated the village would know who to go for if I die.
Kralizec, who you were about to kill then changed at the last minute as you realised he had voted for you and so might end in your death.
and Stormcrow who was inactive for quite a bit.

You also talk a lot about my trying to be innocent. What about you? Always denying this and that.

If you want to lose this round again, folks, vote for me. Then you'll have two mafia on your tails and they can rid the scene of the active people pretty quickly.

By the way, I'm definitely dead next round anyhow. Why bother to vote for me?

EDIT: Lemur, about that. They haven't been voting for you and you haven't voted for him. Now you all gang up on me. No coincidence there.

Also, why would a mafia say he's detective? He lives one round, fine. But if he doesn't get slain by the other mafioso people will suspect him and his death is guaranteed.

EDIT AGAIN: as for why I show up now, because of my timezone. Also, no information revealed if I'm dead. So, I think I'll nail one of you two first before I join the killed club, which is guaranteed.

EDIT AGAIN(!):
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[Uesugi Kenshin]

I AM DEAD

But I did talk to Tiberius about who the mafia could be (via the chat) and he has consistently been gunning for Lemur, and saying that Sasaki wasn't the real detective. I doubt that'll change anyone's mind, but who knows maybe you'll make Lemur fry instead of executing another innocent.

[John86]

Lemur.

[Kommodus]

Ok, it's time to reveal the methods behind my voting analysis. I admit in advance it's hardly proof - it's designed to give me a better likelihood of getting the correct answer.

First principles are as follows:

1. Non-mafia individuals vote for people they think might be mafia.
2. Mafia vote for people they know are innocent. They do not vote for each other (unless they're being really clever).
3. Mafia will probably attempt to get someone else executed besides themselves.

During the first few rounds of the game, these ideas yield little information, for the simple reason that one does not know who is innocent. However, as the game progresses, people are systematically identified as being innocent. This can happen one of two ways:

1. They are killed by the mafia.
2. Some other clue eliminates them as a possible mafia (if you carefully read GH's posts, you'll see some of these).

Therefore, as the game progresses, we ask ourselves the following question: what percentage of each person's votes has been cast for people we now know are innocent? When I examine the voting record, I find that no one has a record of voting for the innocent like Lemur.

Not only has Lemur consistently voted for the innocent, he's usually voted to bolster the vote count for someone who was already getting a significant number of votes. What better way to make sure that anyone besides the guilty is executed?

I could be wrong, but I think Tiberius is telling the truth. Let's take out Lemur and end this scourge! :skull:

[Crazed Rabbit]

Hmm, Tiberius does have some good evidence...
So thinketh a dead rabbit...

Getting some revenge for last time, Lemur? Well, well, well...

Perhaps the black rabbit will call your name soon.

Crazed Rabbit

[Lemur]

These are all very clever arguments -- much the sort of arguments I'd expect from mafia. Who's to say Uesugi wasn't the other mafioso, and now he's protecting Tiberius? They're probably in it together, working overtime to frame another innocent. And working rather too hard, if you ask me.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

I AM DEAD!!!

Lemur remember I had my throat slit, was hit by lightning and then shot multiple times. Doesn't that mean I just might be innocent? Unless of course getting killed was part of my gameplan....

[Lemur]

A few points:

It's clear to me that Tiberius has an ulterior motive for pretending to be the detective. The real detective, need I remind you, was killed several rounds back. All of the "evidence" that he has shown is easy to fake. PHP forum quotes and some screenshots do not impress.

I've lost the votes anyway, so let me warn you as I go down: Watch the fellows who accused me very carefully. Tiberius is definitely mafia, but he may have something worked out with an accomplice. It only takes one mafioso surviving to win the game. This may be an elaborate set-up, with Tib diverting attention to save his partner in crime.

Even after the lemur is gone, the carnage will continue. You shall see. You're executing the wrong prosimian.

[scotchedpommes]

:skull:

It was all certain after the meatball, yes. No need for spreadsheets.

[Regardless, I look forward to seeing who would dare strike me down at the
toilet. I cannot safely eat a tantalising sandwich, nor relieve myself in this, most
evil place. One can only wonder what base need shall be my undoing in another
life.]

[Ignoramus]

Only the dead have seen the end of the war.

[Craterus]

Wow, that's pretty overwhelming evidence in my opinion. Better go change my vote.

[Dutch_guy]

OKay, Tiberius managed to convince me. Better hope he isn't deceiving all of us, but I'll take that chance.

Vote changed from Hiji to Lemur

Oh, and we'll know if Tiberius was telling the truth by his death next round. Unless of course it's all some master plan which requires a mafioso to kill his colleague

:balloon2:

[Silver Rusher]

Bloody hell, (pardon my French) I never thought I would see the day.

I still think Tiberius is the mafioso (if you were the detective, thanks for proving me innocent but I still don't think you were). Think about it: he could have been lynched this round. But to me this evidence is unconvincing. Easy to fake a few PMs, as Lemur said, and Tiberius has an obvious motive for this.

After my post, he probably thought that he would be executed. So, he would pretend to be the detective one round just so he could stay a bit longer and get somebody else, somebody who seemed 'threatening' to him for whatever reason. Also, seeing as there are definitely two mafia left either way (if Tiberius is right, there are seeing as nobody who was executed could have been the mafia and if he is the mafia himself he would lose because he gets lynched next round) he could well be sacrificing his life to buy time for the other mafioso. Also, we were told there would be one detective... :confused: If this is the case, I find it very unlikely that Sasaki Kojiro wasn't the only detective, if not a detective at all. He couldn't have been in the mafia, as there are definitely two mafia left right now (I have already explained why) and it is unlikely that he was a citizen seeing as he named a few people before he died (he must have been pretty damned confident they weren't in the mafia if he was a civilian, and he would have been right because they were all murdered by the mafia very soon after), more evidence that Tiberius is faking this whole thing.

Tiberius is either a civilian pretending to be the detective (I find this extremely unlikely) or a mafioso pretending to be a detective.

People, you are all too gullible! So gullible in fact, that the first person executed was only executed because of his name! If you want to survive the mafia, you MUST begin to think more carefully. Tiberius must be executed!


These are all very clever arguments -- much the sort of arguments I'd expect from mafia. Who's to say Uesugi wasn't the other mafioso, and now he's protecting Tiberius? They're probably in it together, working overtime to frame another innocent. And working rather too hard, if you ask me.
Lemur, I think this post is the reason you are suspected. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. If what you are suggesting is true, there is a guaranteed citizen victory.

Also, I think I have been able to deduct a few things from this event.

1. The mafia either consists of Tiberius (+ one other) or Lemur (+ one other), not both and it is unlikely that neither are in the mafia.
2. Kommodus is definitely innocent.
3. If Tiberius isn't murdered next round he is probably in the mafia (of course, the mafia could well decide not to kill him (if he is the detective) and therefore make him a scapegoat for the voting, but that would be very risky as he would have one more chance to find the killer.
4. If Tiberius is the detective, that means Sasaki Kojiro wasn't (as I said before, I find this incredibly unlikely) unless Hanky isn't telling us something.
5. If Tiberius is the detective, everybody who he has marked as innocent is, except Hiji (his evidence isn't concrete)
6. Tiberius is as good as dead next round, whatever happens.

[Stormcrow]

Don't know who is telling the truth, but I don't like the idea of killing someone with kids... even if they are all called Lemur...

I vote Tiberus. Either he's lying and then he deserves be eliminated from the game, or he's not, in which case he knows the hazards of his job ~;).

[Avicenna]

3. If Tiberius isn't murdered next round he is probably in the mafia (of course, the mafia could well decide not to kill him (if he is the detective) and therefore make him a scapegoat for the voting, but that would be very risky as he would have one more chance to find the killer.

Actually, I'm only allowed to investigate after the execution, so no more investigations for me.

[Cowhead418]

Holy crap, I leave for the night and all this happens? I've never seen the thread this active before. You certainly present a strong case, Tiberius, and I have changed my vote to Lemur, but am I a suspect just because I originally voted for you? Kommodus's method of finding the killer sounded fishy to me (before his explanation) and you were acting pretty damn suspicious.:inquisitive:

[The Spartan (Returns)]

Tiberius is definitely mafia whispers from the dead: well if he isnt targeted by the mafia next turn, we will surely vote Tiberius off next. that way we will have no more doubts. ~:)

[Lemur]

Oh, and we'll know if Tiberius was telling the truth by his death next round. Unless of course it's all some master plan which requires a mafioso to kill his colleague
If I'm right, and Tib is one of the Mafia, his partner will have to kill him next round. Otherwise they'll be giving their game away.

It only takes one surviving mafioso for a mafia win. Tiberius is playing a dangerous game, but I think he and his accomplice are going to win. Dang it all to heck. (This is the Frontroom, after all.)

[edit]

Please take note -- Tiberius was getting the votes, and was going to die anyway. I have no doubt now that he cooked up this whole fake detective thing to save his partner and divert attention. If anything, I would look even harder at the people he has declared "innocent." Way to push attention away from his partner and guarantee a mafia win. Nice one.

[Silver Rusher]

They wouldn't kill Tiberius off: they would kill of Kommodus and another innocent. That way, the biggest threats are removed and the people can only vote for Tiberius. Thus removing two more non-mafia players, instead of only removing one while dangerously exposing the remaining mafioso.

[Stormcrow]

But that would give him the option to check out 1 more person...

[Lemur]

They wouldn't kill Tiberius off: they would kill of Kommodus and another innocent. That way, the biggest threats are removed and the people can only vote for Tiberius. Thus removing two more non-mafia players, instead of only removing one while dangerously exposing the remaining mafioso.
I disagree. Tiberius is cooked no matter what. He was going to be executed, so he had to do something, and he has to make his death useful. What better than to "clear" a few people (including his partner in crime), and then get executed to prove his theory? It's a much more useful death than waiting quietly to get lynched.

It's a perfect set-up for a mafia win. I salute his bravery and cleverness -- he's willingly sacrificing himself to divert your attention for a couple more rounds.

[Silver Rusher]

But that would give him the option to check out 1 more person...
I was talking about if he was in the mafia.


I disagree. Tiberius is cooked no matter what. He was going to be executed, so he had to do something, and he has to make his death useful. What better than to "clear" a few people (including his partner in crime), and then get executed to prove his theory? It's a much more useful death than waiting quietly to get lynched.

It's a perfect set-up for a mafia win. I salute his bravery and cleverness -- he's willingly sacrificing himself to divert your attention for a couple more rounds.
Hmm... I am starting to see what you mean, actually.

[Lemur]

Therefore, as the game progresses, we ask ourselves the following question: what percentage of each person's votes has been cast for people we now know are innocent? When I examine the voting record, I find that no one has a record of voting for the innocent like Lemur.
Regarding this particular line of silliness, since only innocent people have been executed so far (and I'd like to know how you reach that assumption) anybody who's voted for anyone who was executed is mafia. So the Lemur, who has generally gone with the herd, is your #1 suspect? What about the ties -- remember how we had two of 'em? Does everybody who voted in the ties count as mafia suspects?

And what about the time I changed my vote based on the evidence another person put forward? Does that sound like a hard-core mafia move?

Yeah, I'd call that reasoning flawed. I'm dead, so it really doesn't matter to me, but I'd like to see folks using better reasoning to track down the mafia. Tiberius is definitely one of the mafia. I predict that his partner will be found on that "innocent" list he conveniently posted.

[Kommodus]

Regarding this particular line of silliness, since only innocent people have been executed so far (and I'd like to know how you reach that assumption) anybody who's voted for anyone who was executed is mafia. So the Lemur, who has generally gone with the herd, is your #1 suspect? What about the ties -- remember how we had two of 'em? Does everybody who voted in the ties count as mafia suspects?

And what about the time I changed my vote based on the evidence another person put forward? Does that sound like a hard-core mafia move?


If this is what you think, you either haven't understood my methods or you're trying to obfuscate.

1. I never said only innocent people have been executed so far. People are clearly innocent when they are killed by the mafia, not executed. Sometimes, however, it becomes obvious that the executed person was innocent, as in Silver Rusher's death, due to GH's comments.

2. It is not true, and I never argued, that anyone who's voted for anyone who was executed is mafia. I've pointed to you, Lemur, because the majority of the people you've voted for have been proven innocent. Other people have voted for now-proven-innocent people (even me), but not to the same proportion that you have.

What about that time you changed your vote based on Sasaki's announcement he was the detective? It sure would've been fishy not to, wouldn't it, since everyone believed him? You simply changed your vote to someone else you knew was innocent - this case Csar - and got what you wanted anyway.

By the way, I invite everyone to go back and read GH's post describing Sasaki's death. There's a few... interesting phrases in there that give hints that Sasaki wasn't really the detective. They're easier to spot in hindsight. It's on page 8.

Yes, Lemur, the bell tolls for thee, my mafioso friend. I've seen through your obfuscations (these aren't the first). Your villiany is at an end, and though I sacrifice my life with this volunteer-detective work, the mafia will never take this town! :knight:

Edit: Silver Rusher, the mafia can kill me off, but they won't eliminate the threat I pose. I still have my analysis, plus the force-like ability to come back from the dead and tell people who the final mafia is. My death will be carried out anyway for vengeful reasons, but it won't help the mafia achieve their goals.

[Avicenna]

Hmm... want to share a spot on the council Kommodus?

Lemur's just nailed you along with me.

Lemur: this is really going too far. I'm dead meat anyway, and so is Kommodus, and we know it. No need to make a whole drama about it all. Really.

[Avicenna]

Holy crap, I leave for the night and all this happens? I've never seen the thread this active before. You certainly present a strong case, Tiberius, and I have changed my vote to Lemur, but am I a suspect just because I originally voted for you? Kommodus's method of finding the killer sounded fishy to me (before his explanation) and you were acting pretty damn suspicious.:inquisitive:

You're suspect because:
A) I have not investigated you
B) Lemur has never named you
C) You have never named Lemur
All A, B and C are true. Until I publish my list.

[Csargo]

It's slightly annoying. I don't mind in-depth posts like Silver Rusher's, or even Spartan's for that matter because he labels it "whispers from the dead." However, Csar's almost slipped votes by me a couple times and that's pretty aggravating.


Sorry about that General I'll stop it was only supposed to be a joke.

[Kommodus]

Hmm... want to share a spot on the council Kommodus?

Lemur's just nailed you along with me.


Sure, I'd like to be on the council... but if Lemur is executed this round, wouldn't it be impossible for him to kill us? It'll have to be the other mafioso that does us in, right?

[Lemur]

I know that Kommodus is innocent, since both mafia would never go after the same person at the same time. I also know that Tiberius is mafia. His pained expressions of victimhood are just drama for the groundlings.

[edit]

Although Kommodus seems to have some personal inveestment in seeing me hang. What's up, K? Are you a member of the ubercon club whom I've offended in the backroom? What's with lines like "I've seen through your obfuscations (these aren't the first)."?

[The Spartan (Returns)]

Hmm... want to share a spot on the council Kommodus?


whispers from the dead: only if i am Strategos/Imperator.whispers from the dead: but dont forget.:balloon2: :balloon2:

[Avicenna]

Kommodus: until both mafiosi are dead, we can always expect 3 deaths per round (one from execution).

Lemur: Kommodus' interest is the safety of the frontroom and a village victory, of course.

[Kommodus]

Although Kommodus seems to have some personal inveestment in seeing me hang. What's up, K? Are you a member of the ubercon club whom I've offended in the backroom? What's with lines like "I've seen through your obfuscations (these aren't the first)."?

Hey, no worries, mate. I don't really have any personal investment in seeing you hang, besides wanting my side to win this game. The "these aren't the first" phrase refers to other times within this game when you've made comments that made me raise my eyes with suspicion. It has nothing to do with political affiliation - if you notice, I don't post much in the backroom.

And Tiberius: I know there's another mafioso out there, and I still expect to die. I was just confused by your statement "Lemur's just nailed you along with me." It made it sound like Lemur would kill us, when in fact he'll be dead before he gets the chance. As I said, the other mafia will do the job.

[Avicenna]

Names us here publicly so the other guy can kill us.

Death by proxy :skull:

[Lemur]

Tiberius, you seem to have conveniently forgotten about the concept of PMs. Why would I need to name anyone publicly ever if I were mafia? What sort of game are you playing ...?

[Avicenna]

You're dying anyway.

Perhaps you want to intimidate your accusers and make them sure to know there's another mafioso left if they don't believe me?

[Dutch_guy]

Tiberius, please explain why you were corresponding with Lemur a while back, as your screenshot (the first one) indicates ?

What was it all about, what did you guys discuss ?

EDIT: when I say a while back, I mean earlier today ;)

:balloon2:

[GeneralHankerchief]

What a day it had been. Although the Frontroom was quickly becoming extinct, the activity from the recent surge of events was enough for a full-sized village. Eventually the voting had become so heated that Chief of Police had to fire his gun to restore order.

"Gentlemen, please! Gentle- Gentlemen- Gen-

"QUIIIIIIIIIIIIIET!!!" Finally there was silence. Beirut, clearly suffering from lack of sleep, spoke very quickly.

"Now then, the votes are tallied. The next person to be executed will be Lemur." Instantly the uproar returned. "Good God," Beirut thought to himself. Order would not be restored.

The Chief of Police watched helplessly as the village continued. Lemur was arguing with everybody, still determined to prove his innocence. Tiberius ignored Lemur's accusations and said that there was no point, since they were both dead already. Kommodus was roaring that justice had been served. Dutch_guy was still questioning the validity of everything. Lemur was vowing revenge in the form of his children. Beirut was fed up with it all. He pointed his gun into the crowd, and in a perfectly-placed shot, nailed Lemur in the head. Instantly everyone turned dead silent.

"Now then," he told the crowd, failing to keep the hysteria out of his voice, "I want you all to go home. And if we have to go through this tommorow, you had better keep order when I tell you to or so help me God, I will shoot you all. Now go! Leave!" Beirut turned and left, eye twitching madly.

Here is the voting total for Session 7 (this may not be exactly right, but it's the gist of it):

Lemur: 8 :skull:
Tiberius: 2

~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive:
Lehesu
Hiji
Tiberius
Dutch_guy
Stormcrow
Kommodus
Kralizec
Cowhead418
Craterus

Neither killed nor executed but still dead:
evil_maniac from mars
littlelostboy

Killed:
Eclectic
Zalmoxis
The Spartan
Peasant Phill
Sasaki Kojiro
discovery1
SSNeoperestroika
Crazed Rabbit
Kagemusha
Divine Wind
Ignoramus
Uesugi Kenshin
Ice
Alexander the Pretty Good

Executed:
AggonyDuck
Csar
Silver Rusher
DemonArchangel
Destroyer of Hope
UltraWar
Lemur

Just a note: I don't mind this activity one bit. Beirut's... jumpiness is just part of the story.

[Avicenna]

Tiberius, please explain why you were corresponding with Lemur a while back, as your screenshot (the first one) indicates ?

What was it all about, what did you guys discuss ?

EDIT: when I say a while back, I mean earlier today ;)

:balloon2:

He did his thing where he quoted GHC's PM, changing the name to Tiberius.

EDIT: Investigation complete. Craterus is innocent.

Frontroom, please get Cowhead next!

EDIT AGAIN: before I die, here are the instructions.
If the game isn't over, ie Cowhead is in fact innocent, get Lehesu.
If the game still isn't over, which is highly unlikely, get Hiji. My guess that he's innocent is just a guess after all, in light of his quick vote for Lemur and initial vote for DA/Eclectic.

[AggonyDuck]

whispers from the dead Duck: Anyone else think it's strange that Lehesu hasn't posted once in this thread after signing up, even though he visits the org pretty much daily? My gut says that Lehesu is the other mafioso.

[Kommodus]

The final vote count was: Lemur 7, Tiberius 1. Out of the 10 people alive at the start of the vote, Lemur was the only person voting for Tiberius, and Kralizec and Lehesu didn't vote.

I'd like to point out that we can't tell much from who is killed next. Let's suppose, for example:

1. Tiberius is killed. This could mean he really was the detective (which I believe is true). Or it could mean he cleverly had himself killed by his partner in crime, the other mafioso (unlikely).

2. Tiberius isn't killed. This could mean he is a mafioso. Or it could be a last-chance, desperate bid by the remaining mafioso to get us all to execute him.

My records indicate Cowhead418 has voted for a known innocent every single time - except for this last turn when he changed his vote from Tiberius to Lemur after the evidence was in. This could simply be an attempt to avoid suspicion, once it became clear that everyone would vote for Lemur.

However, it remains that Lehesu still hasn't participated in this game since the beginning - very suspicious activity if you ask me. I imagine this possible conversation between two mafia:


Lemur: Hey, let's try an experiment. One of us should actively participate in the game, voting every time. The other should lay low and not participate at all! How about it?

Lehesu: Sure! I'll be the one to stay quiet.

Lemur: Dang! That means I have to be the one who's active. Oh well, let's do this...


I will probably not survive the next round of assassinations, but I'll let you know who I think the guilty party is once they're announced. Gentlemen, it's been an honor. May my death be wicked cool. :skull:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm not so sure Lehesu's lack of activity is suspicious. Drawing attention to yourself is dangerous whether you are mafia or not. Of course, not posting at all is seen as suspicious, this has been mentioned several times before. I think a mafioso, who would naturally have been reading this thread pretty closely, would have picked up on this and made sure to put a word in from time to time.

[Csargo]

I think that it's kinda weird that Lehesu has not posted or not posted very often. Though like Sasaki said that can get you killed so you all can decided. Though

[Lemur]

It was fun while it lasted. Good luck, all.
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Lemurmania/execution.jpg

[Silver Rusher]

Remember Tiberius' innocent list? Well, I say b******s to that. I think a sound mafia strategy would be to vote for your partner at least once, thus creating the impression that you can't both be in the mafia. It's perfect! So if Tiberius is in fact the detective, half the people he says are innocent aren't definitely innocent.

[Kagemusha]

"Kage rambling from afterlife....In my dayssshhh in Mafiaaa.One couldnttt vote the other Mafiosoooo..":skull:

[Kommodus]

Remember Tiberius' innocent list? Well, I say b******s to that. I think a sound mafia strategy would be to vote for your partner at least once, thus creating the impression that you can't both be in the mafia. It's perfect! So if Tiberius is in fact the detective, half the people he says are innocent aren't definitely innocent.

If allowed, that might be an effective trick to try... however, the timing would have to be right, and most people wouldn't notice anyway. The reason I didn't initially describe my method was that I knew the mafia could try this (i.e. voting for each other) and throw things off if they knew what I was doing. Now it doesn't matter anymore.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. As the morning went on, more and more of the villagers woke up. They were nervous, but mildly interested to see what would happen. Most stayed in their own homes.

Two such people, however, did not have the luxury of waking up in their own homes, and in their confortable beds. As Tiberius and Kommodus arose, they discovered that they were chained to a wall in what appeared to be somebody's basement. It looked eerily like a dungeon. The two looked at each other, knowing what was coming.

The door slowly creeked open and in entered the mafioso. He chuckled evilly. "Well, well, well," he said, "The two heroes of the Frontroom indeed. You sure put Lemur in his place all right. But now, the consequences of your actions are here. And they will be nasty. That was very brave of you, Tiberius. Revealing yourself as the Detective in order to save the village. I'm sure that you hope your martyrdom will be well-remembered. But the dead don't remember anything. I'm going to kill them all. And I'm especially going to enjoy killing you."

The mafioso now turned his attention toward Kommodus. "And you. You may not have been the Detective, but you were just as meddling. You certainly think you are clever with that bogus method of yours, the one that started this entire mess. I had thought of killing you many times earlier, but there was always someone to change my mind. Now, I get my long-awaited chance."

He spoke to both, clearly enjoying his position of power. "The day is young, gentlemen, and I am in no hurry to kill you. I want this to be as slow and painful as possible." He then let out a sinister laugh, pulled out a giant chainsaw, and went to work.

However, in his delight of killing Tiberius and Kommodus, he failed to realize how much noise he was making. A neighbor had heard the sound of the saw, the laughter of the mafioso, and the dying screams of his victims. The neighbor had notified the police, and some time later Beirut and Big King Sanctaphrax[ made their way to the mafioso's house. They broke down the basement door, seeing the mafioso laughing, mutilating the corpses of his victims. Beirut fired his gun in the air once, which got the mafioso's attention. Seeing two guns pointed at him, he dropped the saw. Beirut then spoke triumphantly.

"All right, Cowhead418, it's game over for you. You've killed far too many good people, including my Detective Tiberius. But now it's Judgement Day. And I happen to be the judge and jury. So come along now."

Cowhead had no choice but to be dragged by Beirut and BKS to the town center, where the remaining villagers were waiting. They were screaming for blood. BKS addressed Cowhead and the growd.

"This is gonna be quick and simple," he said. "We're going to shoot you as many times as we can. Then we're all going to the tavern and having a huge party. Any last words?"

Cowhead took a step back and grinned. He was in the doorway of an adjacent building. "Yes," he said with the grin still on his face, "have fun rebuilding." He then fished into his jacket and pressed a secret button.

Cowhead disappeared in a fiery inferno as the building he was in and every other building in the village disappeared in a massive explosion. He had wired C4 to everything in the village. Luckily, nobody innocent was harmed, but Cowhead's last words rang true. They would have a lot of rebuilding to do.

Here is the final status list. Congratulations to all of those still alive.

Still alive:
Lehesu
Hiji
Dutch_guy
Stormcrow
Kralizec
Craterus

Neither killed nor executed but still dead:
evil_maniac from mars
littlelostboy
Cowhead418

Killed:
Eclectic
Zalmoxis
The Spartan
Peasant Phill
Sasaki Kojiro
discovery1
SSNeoperestroika
Crazed Rabbit
Kagemusha
Divine Wind
Ignoramus
Uesugi Kenshin
Ice
Alexander the Pretty Good
Tiberius
Kommodus

Executed:
AggonyDuck
Csar
Silver Rusher
DemonArchangel
Destroyer of Hope
UltraWar
Lemur


Result: TOWNSPEOPLE VICTORY :medievalcheers:

~~~~~~~~~~
Couple of notes. First, Cowhead asked me to end it now because he would be leaving on Monday and figured he would be executed anyway. The C4 was his idea.

Next, I'll be posting my write-up/commentary probably sometime tomorrow. This is where you'll get an in-depth look at the game from my point-of-view, although I doubt I was as all-knowing this game as I was before.

Finally, to those who I know will ask, the next game will start in about a week. While I really enjoy doing these games, my creative energies and time are needed elsewhere. Great game, everybody. Thanks for playing. :2thumbsup:

[Cowhead418]

Muahahahahahaha!
Fools!
:evil::evil::evil:
I am satisfied. I have killed everyone who I had a grudge against, and my death was quite a spectacular event.

The villagers may have won this round, but it was a phyrric victory. We sure made your lives a living hell...

My list of victims includes:
Eclectic
Peasant Phill
discovery1
Crazed Rabbit
Kagemusha
Uesugi Kenshin
Ice
Tiberius
Kommodus

Trust me, being evil is so much more fun.:evil: Thanks for a great game, GHC!:2thumbsup:

I was originally planning on confessing after the next kills were posted in order to cause confusion, but I'm satisfied with this scenario as well. I'm also happy that I got to go down with honor and integrity and on my own accord, not that of the mob.

Incase anyone didn't notice, my avatar is that of an assassin from MTW. How appropiate.

[Kommodus]

Vindicated in death! I'm pleased that my "bogus" method really did yield the correct results - although it was far from the only clue, and without Tiberius' support, I may not have been believed.

I'm a little surprised to see it end this way - it might have been different if Cowhead had stuck around and done things differently. If I'd have been him, I would have played it like this:

1. Leave Tiberius alive; kill me and someone else from his "innocent" list instead. What happens? Tiberius loses all credibility and is executed. No more investigations for him.

2. While people are looking for the mafia among Tiberius' named "innocents", kill off the rest.

It may not have worked - I certainly wouldn't have bought it - but it would've given him a chance. Besides, even I wasn't sure whether it was Cowhead or Lehesu (although I did plan to vote for Cowhead).

Congratulations to the townsfolk! Even though I did not survive, I will be with you in spirit to enjoy the victory party! :medievalcheers:

Edit: Yes, Cowhead418, it was a good game, and you did kill a lot - great job! Still, many innocents will die in any game of mafia - and a close win is still a win. There are no phyrric victories in the game of Mafia. :2thumbsup:

[Silver Rusher]

Great game, everyone, great game!

[Cowhead418]

Edit: Yes, Cowhead418, it was a good game, and you did kill a lot - great job! Still, many innocents will die in any game of mafia - and a close win is still a win. There are no phyrric victories in the game of Mafia. :2thumbsup:I know there are no phyrric victories in the game of Mafia, but I'm still satisfied. I did not get executed, I killed everyone I wanted to kill, and I still managed to blow up the entire village!:evil:

I would have still made a case for my innocence if I wasn't leaving tomorrow with no internet access for a week. I wanted to be here for the end.:skull:

[Csargo]

Great game Great game

[John86]

Great game!

:balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2:

[Cowhead418]

Those who are still alive, remember this: you are only still living because we did not decide to kill you earlier. I think you owe us some thanks.:laugh4:

[Kommodus]

I know there are no phyrric victories in the game of Mafia, but I'm still satisfied. I did not get executed, I killed everyone I wanted to kill, and I still managed to blow up the entire village!:evil:


Yes, of course! You should be satisfied. Everyone should be - it was an excellent game, with many twists and good debates. Even Lemur made some good points in his defense, and managed to convince a few. See y'all when the mafia strike next!

[Lehesu]

Yay.

[The Spartan (Returns)]

after the townspeople started rebuilding, they then went to ressurect the dead.

The Spartan: well good job everyone! i wonder now that Cowhead killed these people for a reason. i wonder why i was killed. i await the commentary by GHC and the next mafia game. (if GHC does. please do!)

[Dutch_guy]

I survived ! :2thumbsup:

On a side note, who were you going to kill after Tiberius and Kommodus - had you not been discovered, Cowhead ?


:balloon2:

[Cowhead418]

I survived ! :2thumbsup:

On a side note, who were you going to kill after Tiberius and Kommodus - had you not been discovered, Cowhead ?


:balloon2:Well, my original plan was to try and frame Hiji, then kill Krazelic and Craterus. For the final voting round I would have tried to get the remaining villagers to vote Lehesu, then finish off you and Stormcrow. Since you accused me early on, I had many thoughts of killing you off in previous rounds, but when I saw that you did not immediately buy into Kommodus's method, I thought it would be worthwhile to let you stick around.

An interesting side note: A few rounds ago, Lemur and I were discussing who to kill and I suggested Tiberius. In the end we decided to keep the detective alive because some posters had been suspicious of him...:wall:

[Kagemusha]

Great game!:2thumbsup: Cowhead,did you kill me becouse of my comments about newbie Mafiosios or was there something else behind that?Thanks anyway for the clean death!~;) I was sure that i would have been lynched by the mob,if by no other reason then the last game.:laugh4:

[Cowhead418]

Great game!:2thumbsup: Cowhead,did you kill me becouse of my comments about newbie Mafiosios or was there something else behind that?Thanks anyway for the clean death!~;) I was sure that i would have been lynched by the mob,if by no other reason then the last game.:laugh4:You are correct, once you made the newbie mafiosos comment I decided that you simply couldn't live anymore. No self-respecting mafia member will allow a villager to insult him like that!:no: :laugh4:

Though I guess that comment does have some meaning to it now because Lemur and I weren't able to land the mafia another victory...

[GeneralHankerchief]

My commentary for the game. Long, but informative.

Session 0

Mafia: Lemur and Cowhead418
Detective: evil_maniac from mars

I knew this game would be bigger than the last game. More people would be playing, there would be more roles, and the everyone would be smarter. That was clear from the last few posts in the first game. So I made a few additions to the rules. There would be a new role in the Detective, whose job was to investigate a person they thought was the mafia. Also, the mafia would have to provide me with a method of killing their victims. The goal of this was to make it more interactive for everybody.

I was extremely pleased with the number of responses I got when Game 2 went up. There were a lot of returnees from the first game, as well as a lot of new faces. Some of them, especially evil_maniac from mars, Kommodus, and Cowhead418, would prove to be very critical in deciding how the game went. As I posted the first, clean status list where everybody was still alive, I knew this game could go anywhere. And it did.

Session 1

Lemur kills Zalmoxis Cowhead kills Eclectic
EMFM investigates Ice

The mafia wasted no time in showing their creativity. First of all they knocked out the one person who everyone knew to be innocent (Eclectic- in a mistaken move I let him join after the deadline. Oh well), and set up the “perfect frame” as Dutch_guy put it for AggonyDuck. In a PM that made me laugh, Lemur detailed his plan for killing Zalmoxis. I’m assuming the frame was part of his plan.


As my first kill, I have created an elaborate trap. Zalmoxis is ambling along, minding his own business, when a spring-loaded pressure plate triggers a barrel which dumps honey and grain all over him. Why honey and grain? Because he is promptly assaulted by a horde of trained attack ducks. They peck him to death before a crowd of onlookers. Needless to say, death by pecking is slow and messy. Who would be evil enough to train such ducks? Who would pervert the duck/human bond for the sake of assassination?

The villagers jumped all over poor AggonyDuck. Heck, even he voted for himself. While EMFM was in trouble, he didn’t reveal himself, trusting that the Ducky would fry. However, EMFM informed me that he was going on a trip and couldn’t take part in the rest of the game. He requested that the Detective role be passed on. I wasn’t sure what to do. It technically wouldn’t be fair if I did, but then a “new feature” so to speak would be gone. Eventually, I ruled in the interest of fun and randomly gave the role to Tiberius.
Executed: AggonyDuck
Suicide: evil_maniac from mars

Session 2

Lemur kills The Spartan Cowhead kills Peasant Phill
Tiberius investigates Silver Rusher and Sasaki Kojiro (now that I looked back on it, he got an extra one in. My mistake.)

Just to let you know, Spartan’s death by strangling while drunk wasn’t his original way of dying. This was Lemur’s first PM to me:


The Spartan is kidnapped and taken to the desert, where he is put into a spacesuit. He is then loaded into a large cannon, which launches him into low earth orbit. Not so bad, right? And since he has a functioning spacesuit, he's still alive, and able to enjoy the sights. However, his orbit soon degrades, and he is subject to a fiery death on re-entry into Earth's atmosphere.

If that's too elaborate and/or silly, let me know, and I'll come up with something more terrestrial.

Needless to say, I let him know. I left the cannon reference in during the kill post, though.

I’d like to congratulate Dutch_guy for being the first person to correctly vote for a mafioso in both games. He was the first to name Shadows in Game 1, and this time he voted Cowhead before anyone else. Maybe you guys should listen to him more often…

During my reply to Tiberius’ investigation of Sasaki Kojiro, I said something along the lines of “I forgot Sasaki was even playing.” This would quickly change, as Sasaki provided the first real drama of the game. Facing five votes and almost certain execution, the Sword Dojo mod “revealed himself” as Detective. I laughed at loud when I read it and saw all the sheep that followed him (interestingly enough, more people believed Sasaki with less evidence than Tiberius) He received PMs from two different people. Tiberius asked him if he had lost his mind, and he replied to this one from me:



Nice trick you pulled off with pretending to be the Detective. I was wondering if anybody had the cojones to actually do it.

Well, I saw five votes against me and figured I try and make it interesting, make my imprint on the game, you know. I bet the real detective is laughing his *** (GH note: asterisks mine) off somewhere :laugh4: Also I seem to have them convinced, which amuses me. If I've convinced the mafia then they'll think they've dealt with the detective...

He did indeed. Although his move singlehandedly killed off himself and his three “innocents,” as well as Csar, the scapegoat. I wonder what would have happened if he named an actual mafioso as innocent…
Executed: Csar, after a massive tie with DemonArchangel
Suicide: littlelostboy (pretty much same reason as EMFM- he was moving and couldn’t be on for the rest of the game)

Session 3

Lemur kills Sasaki Kojiro Cowhead kills discovery1
Tiberius investigates Lemur (guilty)

Not much happened this session at face value, but a lot of long-term things started. Mainly, Lemur made an extremely suspicious post by naming SilverRusher because he “saw him enjoying a spicy meat-a-ball.” Also, Tiberius got the info that Lemur was guilty, but wisely kept quiet. Finally, the doomed Silver Rusher gave some great advice to everybody in how to play the game, which I think a lot of people took.
Executed: SilverRusher

Session 4

Lemur kills SSNeoperestroika Cowhead kills Crazed Rabbit
Tiberius investigates… uh… not sure…

The post I never should have made:


Is this story gonna write itself?

C'mon, I usually have at least one PM by now.

I was annoyed at the mafia because I would be away from the comp for a day or two and wanted to post the kills before I left. My PM box was already starting to hurt. I knew that both were on and thus wanted to tell them to hurry up. Instead, I get endless speculation about who was on, whether it was a red herring or not, etc. Sheesh. Silver’s note was too effective. Ultimately it gave Lemur a huge alibi.

Oh yeah, another good job to Dutch_guy for being the first to name Lemur. Jesus, this guy is good. If he were detective the game would have been over a lot quicker.

Finally, since you guys seem to be looking a little too in-depth at the kills (I recall Tiberius posting something about the mafioso being a regular Backroomer because he knows about SFTS’ alcohol consumption rule and the Babe Thread), here is an example of a Cowhead PM to me (you already have one of Lemur’s):


Target: Uesugi Kenshin

Method of Murder: Late at night a thunderstorm is brewing. Uesugi Kenshin wakes up to the sound of a window breaking. He knows what is happening so he crouches in a corner, ready for me. I kick open the bedroom door with a knife in hand, and Kenshin pounces. We wrestle on the floor for several minutes, trading blows. Finally I manage to cut across Kenshin's throat with the knife. UK then elbows me in the lungs and runs out of the house, leaving me gasping for air.

He tries to yell out my name but the cut on his throat is stifling his voice. I recover from his blow and run out after him. As I am about to pull out my pistol, there is a thundering boom and a lightning bolt strikes Kenshin, turning his body into a smoldering crisp.

Reason: I'm trying to frame Tiberius

Nothing really elaborate. Just the meat, and I add the rest.
Executed: DemonArchangel (revote after tie with Dutch_guy)

Session 5
[CENTER]Lemur kills Divine Wind Cowhead kills Kagemusha
Tiberius investigates DemonArchangel (deceased)

Ahh, the passing of the torch. The two finalists from the last game go down. Stormcrow somehow managed to survive the frame attempt (Kage had called him a “newbie mafioso” and Cow picked up on that) and pin the blame on Destroyer of Hope, who he claimed was online and PMing right before the kills were posted.

Just to clarify: Never base your accusations on the fact that somebody was online and/or PMing before the kills were posted. There are a few reasons for this. One, I could have just got on and seen the PM. Two, they could have been PMing someone else. Three, I could have already received the PM, but at a time where it would be hard for me to post the kills so I put it off. Four, I could have received the PMs but purposely not posted the kills right away to throw you off (I have done this many times). Five, keep in mind that it takes me anywhere from 20-40 minutes to actually write the kills and post them. So if you see someone PMing right before the kills are posted, it’s actually a safe bet that they didn’t do it.
Executed: Destroyer of Hope

Session 6

Lemur kills Ignoramus Cowhead kills Uesugi Kenshin
Tiberius investigates Stormcrow

The beginning of the end for the mafia, thanks to Kommodus:


Guys... I'm thinking it's Lemur.

Since the beginning of the game I've been keeping a spreadsheet in order to mathematically analyze the voting patterns and see if any emerged. The longer the game progresses, the more accurate my analysis should become. I can't guarantee accuracy at this point, and I'm not going to reveal my method to make sure the mafia don't deliberately throw it off in the future, but the evidence points to Lemur.

I'd also like to note that the method of the killings has been notably creative. It takes an intelligent, innovative mind to come up with such things. Now I know there are many intelligent people still left alive, but I can imagine these things coming from a mind such as Lemur's.

(Note: My second argument is a bit weak, so if you don't buy it, ignore it and focus on the first. I believe my mathematical methods should yield results.)

Doubt sowed in minds. Maybe everyone’s favorite non-human primate wasn’t innocent after all? Tiberius jumped at this chance and finally voted for who he knew was guilty. It seemed like a mafioso was finally going down, but Lemur escaped by the skin of his teeth. A few votes were thrown other ways and UltraWar went down 4 to 3.

It was around this time where Cowhead told me that he would be going away for a week soon. His brother would give me instructions, but said that he probably wouldn’t last that long. I told him that Lemur would probably die first.

The only other worth mentioning about this Session was that I talked Kralizec out of suiciding before the execution. He said that he would be gone for a week also and probably miss out on everything. I said a week wasn’t that bad and he wouldn’t miss much. Obviously I didn’t realize how much stuff would soon hit the fan.
Executed: UltraWar

Session 7

Lemur kills Alexander the Pretty Good Cowhead kills Ice
Tiberius investigates Alexander the Pretty Good

Lemur originally was going to kill Kralizec for whatever reason. He then changed it to SSNeoperestroika. After Cow told him that he had already killed SSNeo, Lemur finally settled on Alexander. Since I had been telling Tiberius of all of Lemur’s kills before I posted it to the world he was aware of the Kralizec situation, thus giving him a free innocent (although K had already voted for Lemur so it was unlikely that he was guilty already).

Since nobody was directly trying to frame Tiberius, I thought Lemur would have the majority of votes this round without any detective intervention. For whatever reason, I was wrong and Tib found himself in a big hole. He finally revealed himself, naming Lemur as the mafioso. Luckily for all drama-lovers out there (and me, who was laughing my *** off at all this :laugh4:), Lemur was the first one to respond and fought tooth-and-nail against Tiberius’ accusations. Tiberius was ready for it and provided first PM quotes, and then screenshots that showed Lemur’s guilt. In a series of PMs to me, Lemur said he was having a lot of fun making b******t arguments and couldn’t believe some people were actually believing him. Sadly for him, however, the people who believed him were mostly dead and Lemur was executed.

He went down fighting, however. He never admitted he was guilty while the game was still going, and even tried to spam my inbox so Tiberius’ last investigation wouldn’t get through. I couldn’t let that happen, though.
Executed: Lemur

Session 8

Cowhead kills Tiberius, Kommodus
Tiberius investigates Craterus

Really, Cowhead had a couple of options here, and better ones IMHO. If Tiberius lived he would have lost a lot of credibility and probably would have been executed. My probable plan of attack would be to take out Kommodus as well as another one of Tib’s believers, leaving him isolated.

Eventually it was all moot as Cow realized that his brother could not provide me with instructions. He decided to end it on his own terms.


I told you earlier that I would be leaving Monday morning and would not have access to the internet. I gave instructions to my brother, but I forgot he is also leaving Monday morning, leaving no one to take my responsibilities. May I request that the game be ended today, with my spectacular exit (with the C4)? I would reveal myself after you post the next kills and therefore I would be able to see the end of the game. It doesn't look like I will survive the next round anyway, so I want to have a bit of fun...

And so I posted the final scene.

Regarding roles for next time, I think I’ll keep it the way it is. It took a while, but the Detective did exactly what he was supposed to do- ruin the mafia’s chances. He was added specifically for that purpose.

Right now I’m going to take at least a week off because I have some things I need to do before my attention gets focused on another one of these games. I also would like our four vacationers (EMFM, LLB, Kralizec, and Cow) to participate in the next game and this should give them ample time.

I want to thank everyone who played for a fantastic game, I really had a lot of fun. Special thanks to Lemur, Cowhead418, and Tiberius for staying active and providing me with some amusing moments. Mafia- better luck next game!

[Craterus]

Wow, I survived.

Great stuff, really entertaining. When's the next one? ~D

[Ignoramus]

Shame I got killed. And to think we never suspected Cowhead.

[Cowhead418]

Shame I got killed. And to think we never suspected Cowhead.:eyebrows: And I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for that meddling detective!:furious3: ~D

After re-reading the end of the original mafia thread, I feel like I've let Shadows and Kagemusha down.:wall:

I have some notes of my own: Between this game and last game, the mafia members have not been suspected all that much (that is, before Tiberius's investigations or Kommodus and his method). I have a theory that explains why: when a poster is selected as a mafioso, he knows that his job is to draw attention away from himself, so he puts all his efforts into acting the part of the innocent. However, when a poster is selected as a regular villager, he thinks that since he is not guilty, he does not need to 'act' innocent. He does not put as much effort into looking innocent as the mafia does so he garners more suspicion.:juggle2:

[Avicenna]

In the end, a TYVM to The Spartan, Csar and Uesugi Kenshin for being suspicious of me. :bow:

That was always going to be the safe ticket out for a while.

Last minute words:
Dutch_guy eagerly wants to know this: EMFM was the first detective.
Killed committee: Council spot please? :eyebrows:
GHC: Technically, Cowhead was killed. ~;p
Kenshin: hats off to you for guessing it was Cowhead early on! Too bad I didn't investigate him.


In the end we decided to keep the detective alive because some posters had been suspicious of him...
Don't you mean you decided to keep me alive? I doubt you knew I was detective yet.. ~;)

[GeneralHankerchief]

After re-reading the end of the original mafia thread, I feel like I've let Shadows and Kagemusha down. :wall:

Not really. You forget that you had more people to kill AND had a Detective gunning for you. The mafia definitely had it harder this time around IMHO.

[Ignoramus]

Where's the write up?