Jedi Ghulam general

[macsen rufus]

Can anyone beat this for a frustrating battle....

Simple fort assault, Cyrenacia as HRE attacking Eggy garrison. With a thirty minute time limit, by the 15th minute the fort was flattened and the Eggies were down to one man, the Ghulam bodyguard general. At the end he was still alive!

I had him trapped between two units of Swiss halberdiers (both v2), AP + anti-cav bonuses. No joy. Pinned him with feudal sergeants and booted his backside with woodsmen (AP). No joy. Pulled out woodsmen and emptied two units of mounted crossbows of ammo. Emptied a jinette unit of ammo. Nothing touched him at all! FIFTEEN MINUTES of everything I had suited for armoured cav failed to kill him.

Just to make it worse, the fort was about to fall anyway (trying to save some infrastructure by assaulting) so I didn't even get to see his stats after the battle! Then my general got "weak assaulter" as a result :furious3:

Incredible.....

[Geezer57]

Sounds like you did all the right things to kill a Jedi, just had incredibly bad luck.
Sometimes you screw the pooch, sometimes the pooch screws you...:no:

[matteus the inbred]

wow, that's one of the worst cases of Jedi syndrome I've heard of since that Byz 8-star Kataphractoi general defeated four units of my Turcomans all on his own.
As Geezer57 says, not a lot you can do. I guess, don't unnecessarily assault castles, it'll usually cost you more men to assault than to wait a couple of turns.
Only do it when you're in a hurry or if you've got siege artillery and Janissaries!

[macsen rufus]

sometimes the pooch screws you... :laugh4:

Yup, he grabbed my leg, and I couldn't shake him off!

[Geezer57]

:laugh4: Yup, he grabbed my leg, and I couldn't shake him off!
:bounce:

[gaijinalways]

Yeah the Jedi generals are a pain. I had a lone AI cav unit beat off my 20 royal knights:help: , what a royal pain:furious3: ! The guy only fled after I chased another set of knights off with my foot soldiers, good riddance:2thumbsup: .

[ajaxfetish]

Sorry you missed the stats. I'd have liked to see them too. This guy sounds incredible (perhaps an even better word for him would be 'inconceivable'). I certainly can't offer any advice as I understand your reasons for assaulting and see no flaws in your approach. Just rough luck and the greatest hero Egypt has ever produced in its thousands of years of existence.

Ajax

[macsen rufus]

I'm pretty sure before the battle he was nothing more than a 2*, and I don't recall any pre-existing VnVs either. On the face of it, it looked like it was going to be just another bog standard day of carnage .... anyway, despite his heroics there was no stopping my band of noble crusaders camping on the banks of the Nile the next year!

[caravel]

The Jedi Generals are great if they're yours of course. I was recently defending a castle from 2000 mongols with 166 0 valour Saracens. The first assault I held off mainly due to the incompetence of the AI. I positioned the Saracens right inside the gatehouse. The MHC, when they finally broke the door down, attacked relentlessly, but "funnelled" by the gatehouse they were ineffective and took many losses (the boiling oil and arrows had already done alot of damage). Then their general turned up and had a go... and died... which caused the Saracens to increase in valour. The killing went on until they were down to 39 men at 4 valour at which point the enemy gave up. Next year they assaulted again and beat the Saracens down to the last 20 men, who were at valour 6 by that time! They kept going for ages after that then a unit of Mongol Warriors moved up (the usually poor AI assaults) and started shooting through the gate, hitting their own men in the back, but also slowly killing off mine. Eventually down to the last man at valour 8 he was surrounded and killed... oh well he nearly got there. His unit had killed about 900 mongols in total before it succumbed.

[DisruptorX]

The best tool is your "auto resolve" button, I've found. If I find that I will be fighting an all royal knight army or an army with a ridiculously strong general, I send a large army consisting mostly of spearmen, and hit auto-resolve. It always works out in my favour, even if had I fought the battle real time, I would have been crushed.

[littlebktruck]

That also works well if you have a garrison of, say, 2 men in a citadel. Put in a catapult or two and another cheap unit or two and you'll probably win with heavy casualties to those units. Fight the battle or autocalc with an entire army, on the other hand, and you'll lose tons.

[Matty]

The best tool is your "auto resolve" button, I've found. If I find that I will be fighting an all royal knight army or an army with a ridiculously strong general, I send a large army consisting mostly of spearmen, and hit auto-resolve. It always works out in my favour, even if had I fought the battle real time, I would have been crushed.


Ah, but isn't it the manner of your winning that is actually important? If you duck the difficult and messy battles by using auto-calc the game becomes really rather dull, no?

My own experience of Jedi generals (on my team) is that they never hold out as long as the AI ones and even my uber Byzantine princes will succum. This is good - the kenzai of Shogun were the ultimate Jedi and even though I'd field 12 one man units against a full opposing army I do not recall ever losing one. Somewhat unbalancing, but amusing all the same.

[caravel]

I only use auto-resolve if I'm desperate to finish up for the day and save the game. I also auto resolve alot of assaults because 90% of the time I get no better results if I assault myself, and I'm not a big builder/deployer of siege equipment.

[macsen rufus]

"Auto-resolve" is only used when I want to switch off half-way through a year, then come back and fight it later. In this case, the fort was falling anyway - I was only fighting to train/valour up my army, and possibly save some infrastructure.

If I find two men in a citadel, I usually send in a couple of assassins :skull: :skull: :skull: (or maybe three for luck....)

I must admit I do like my artillery, and assaults are a good excuse to fling big rocks at the enemy scumbags :laugh4:

[DisruptorX]

Ah, but isn't it the manner of your winning that is actually important? If you duck the difficult and messy battles by using auto-calc the game becomes really rather dull, no?

My own experience of Jedi generals (on my team) is that they never hold out as long as the AI ones and even my uber Byzantine princes will succum. This is good - the kenzai of Shogun were the ultimate Jedi and even though I'd field 12 one man units against a full opposing army I do not recall ever losing one. Somewhat unbalancing, but amusing all the same.


I only use the auto calc against maximum valour heavy cav generals or all royal knight armies.

There simply isn't anything fun about actually fighting those battles.

[gaijinalways]

Hmm, the best part of the game is the battles for me, yet I find sieges boring at time. I will sometimes play them, but iften I will autocalc those.

But regular battles aganist cav troops are fun. Definately missile types and some cavs of your own, but can be challenging getting them to rout (with jedi generals they usually won't just quit easily or be completely killed) again and again. Even some regular general's armies have surprised me. The general semi-routs, comes back again, and his armies keep on fighting, can be very tough, but more fun than general flees, there goes the enemy troops!

[mfberg]

I love looking at the log files after one of those Jedi battles. In a recent battle my V21 Boyar had over 100 kills, he was my first man in combat and helped my Byz infantry take out some three units of decent Chiv. Knights.

mfberg