Explosions in India...

[Devastatin Dave]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060711/ap_on_re_as/india_train_explosion

This is very bad and could exculate violence in the region quick. I wonder who did this? Besides 9-11, suicide bombings in israel, killing american marines in lebanese barracks 1983, munich 1972, blowing up buses with women and children, the USS Cole bombing, beheadings, blowing up trains in spain and subways in london, shooting russian school children in the back, blowing up a bali nightclub, killing hostages in the Phillipines, developing nukes to "whipe Israel off the map", we shouldn't jump to conclusions on who (m*****s)did this.:wall:

[InsaneApache]

we shouldn't jump to conclusions on who (m*****s)did this.

The PIRA? :inquisitive:

[Kanamori]

It was the Muslim pig-dog that robbed your bank too. In short any person who committs any evil can be said to be muslim or at the very least, a muslim sympathiser.

Your kind makes me sick.

[Devastatin Dave]

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Your kind makes me sick.
I wasn't the one that blew up a bunch of innocent folks this morning. Its not my my fault that the religion of piece decided to wrap its loving embracing arms around the already 80 reported dead so far. Your sickness would be better directed towards murderers in the name of god.

[rory_20_uk]

According to the article, no blame has been done yet.

I blame the [PC expletive] White house. It may have been due to an F-16 missile. There's nothing that says it wasn't [PC expletive] Christ***s :furious3:

Edit: Oh, *s are not allowed. My bad... :thumbsup:

~:smoking:

[Reverend Joe]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060711/ap_on_re_as/india_train_explosion

This is very bad and could exculate violence in the region quick. I wonder who did this? Besides 9-11, suicide bombings in israel, killing american marines in lebanese barracks 1983, munich 1972, blowing up buses with women and children, the USS Cole bombing, beheadings, blowing up trains in spain and subways in london, shooting russian school children in the back, blowing up a bali nightclub, killing hostages in the Phillipines, developing nukes to "whipe Israel off the map", we shouldn't jump to conclusions on who (m*****s)did this.:wall:

Dave, I strongly dislike your insinuations. You more than anyone should know damn well who really did it.

Hippies.

:laugh4:

[solypsist]

am i the only one who sees a connection that the bombings in India occured on 7-11 ??

[Devastatin Dave]

am i the only one who sees a connection that the bombings in India occured on 7-11 ??
Nope, I mentioned it in my first post in this thread, but then I made one of the card carrying members of the "overly sensitive, politically correct drama queens club" sick, so now I'm blaming the Krishnas since this could not possibly be Islamic terrorists because we all know that they would be incapable of doing such a horrible thing. :dizzy2:

[lars573]

Nope, I mentioned it in my first post in this thread, but then I made one of the card carrying members of the "overly sensitive, politically correct drama queens club" sick, so now I'm blaming the Krishnas since this could not possibly be Islamic terrorists because we all know that they would be incapable of doing such a horrible thing. :dizzy2:
Yeah but this happened in India. While it's true that the bombers could have been Muslims. They might not have been islamo-fashists who want to rule under a theocratical fist, and are inspired by Usama Bin Laden. They could have been Pakistani, or Bengali.

Or they could have been Sikhs. Cause Sikh groups have never started armed revolts against the Indian government using their holy shrine as a shield. Or assassinated Indian PM's, or blown up an airliner full of innocent civilians over Canada. Oh wait....

[Kanamori]

It makes more sense that if this bothers me about you, than I would be even more bothered by the bombings, which I am. To kill another person w/ purpose is the most vile thing any person can do.

Yet, it cannot just be a tradgedy to you, you have to hatefully blame the muslim pig-dogs, and direct your hate at them and their religion. Ever opportunity there is, you take. The thread was not started as a place to mourn, you started it as a place to hate all people who call themselves muslim.

And it is almost certainly the work of radical-muslim terrorists.

As far as the news goes, the death count seems only to be rising.:sad:

[Devastatin Dave]

Yet, it cannot just be a tradgedy to you, you have to hatefully blame the muslim pig-dogs, and direct your hate at them and their religion. Ever opportunity there is, you take. The thread was not started as a place to mourn, you started it as a place to hate all people who call themselves muslim.
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I just hate muslim terrorists. Calm down, take a pamperine, I hear its good for menstrual cramps and moodiness.

[Tribesman]

I just hate muslim terrorists
So you like terrorists as long as they don't call themselves Muslim

[Devastatin Dave]

I just hate muslim terrorists
So you like terrorists as long as they don't call themselves Muslim
I don't like Irish terrorists either.

[Tribesman]

I don't like Irish terrorists either.
So which flavour terrorists do you like then ?

[Samurai Waki]

The Good Ol' Terrorists without Terrorist in their name. :inquisitive:

[Csargo]

Islamic extremists killed eight people in the main city of India's part of Kashmir.

If that doesn't tell you its Muslim terrorists I don't know what will. Its horrible that anyone could do this.:sweatdrop:

[Devastatin Dave]

I don't like Irish terrorists either.
So which flavour terrorists do you like then ?
Extra crispy after a nice cluster bomb flame broil. You?

[Aenlic]

Maybe it wasn't political or religious terrorists. Maybe it was just someone who doesn't like Bollywood films. Maybe it was a pissed off stock broker from the Bombay Stock Exchange or the National Stock Exchange of India, both located there. I think we should find out who did it.

So, to further that idea, let's start taking up a collection to buy Devastating Dave a one way ticket to Bombay, where he can work his obvious charms on the local people and discover the truth. We can set up a fake post office box and he can send his reports via postcard.

[caravel]

While I don't agree, Dave is entitled to his, undeniably somewhat biased, opinion, but there's no place for the nitpicking pc squad here. The problem with pc, is that you start with a debate, then you have to have a 20 page interval while the pc wording is being picked over. So instead of disassembling the non pc parts of Dave's opinon why not stick to the topic?

There is a real possibility that islamic extremists are to blame. The explosions were a few hours after some, suspected, muslim extremists killed seven in grenade attacks in Srinagar. So they could be linked.

[Tribesman]

Come on Dave , give an answer , which terrorists do you like ?
If you don't like terrorists then whatever religeon they claim to be is irrelevant , since you focus on their religeon then that must mean you like terrorists of another flavour , unless of course that it isn't terrorists that you hate , its just muslims .
So Dave which do you hate , Muslims or terrorists ?

[Devastatin Dave]

Maybe it wasn't political or religious terrorists. Maybe it was just someone who doesn't like Bollywood films. Maybe it was a pissed off stock broker from the Bombay Stock Exchange or the National Stock Exchange of India, both located there. I think we should find out who did it.

So, to further that idea, let's start taking up a collection to buy Devastating Dave a one way ticket to Bombay, where he can work his obvious charms on the local people and discover the truth. We can set up a fake post office box and he can send his reports via postcard.
Maybe it was the currie. Its not called Bombay BTW, its called Mumbai now. But judging from today's incident, maybe Bombay is a more suitable name.:no:

[Aenlic]

There is a real possibility that islamic extremists are to blame. The explosions were a few hours after some, suspected, muslim extremists killed seven in grenade attacks in Srinagar. So they could be linked.

Or...

They might not be linked at all and it was the Bollywood mafia. But why stop jumping to unwarranted conclusions? There is a possibility it was space aliens too. By coincidence, we happen to be on a planet floating in space. They could be linked.

The preceeding message was brought to you by the "PC" police. Apparently, I am a charter member. Me! Politically incorrect. Who'd have thought it? That is about the funniest thing I've heard today, short of Bush's standup routine this morning. :grin:

[Aenlic]

Maybe it was the currie. Its not called Bombay BTW, its called Mumbai now. But judging from today's incident, maybe Bombay is a more suitable name.:no:

Actually, DD. It's still called the Bombay Stock Exchange. But don't let a few facts get in your way. You're on a roll. :grin:

[caravel]

Or...

They might not be linked at all and it was the Bollywood mafia. But why stop jumping to unwarranted conclusions? There is a possibility it was space aliens too. By coincidence, we happen to be on a planet floating in space. They could be linked.

Hmmm... well let me put it his way. If your country had been bombed by terrorists would you want the security forces to pull in the usual suspects? Or go after some pc targets just to make things look good and avoid upsetting people? Maybe they should arrest a Hindu or two so that it's all nice and fair?


The preceeding message was brought to you by the "PC" police. Apparently, I am a charter member. Me! Politically corrent. Who'd have thought it? That is about the funniest thing I've heard today, short of Bush's standup routine this morning. :grin:

I posted before I saw your post, so I wasn't referring to you anyway, nor anyone in particular for that matter.

:2thumbsup:

[Aenlic]

Hmmm... well let me put it his way. If your country had been bombed by terrorists would you want the security forces to pull in the usual suspects? Or go after some pc targets just to make things look good and avoid upsetting people? Maybe they should arrest a Hindu or two so that it's all nice and fair?

Maybe. If Timothy McVeigh hadn't been stopped for a traffic violation, days and perhaps weeks would have been wasted looking for the Muslim terrorists responsible for blowing up the federal building in Oklahoma City. Remember who got blamed first for the train bombing in Madrid? Turns out it wasn't the Basques. But in the heat of the moment who got blamed? The Basques. :grin:

[Devastatin Dave]

Come on Dave , give an answer , which terrorists do you like ?
If you don't like terrorists then whatever religeon they claim to be is irrelevant , since you focus on their religeon then that must mean you like terrorists of another flavour , unless of course that it isn't terrorists that you hate , its just muslims .
So Dave which do you hate , Muslims or terrorists ?
Terrorists of course. I don't have a problem with muslims. Just because the MAJORITY of terrorist attacks lately in the news just happen to involve a certain minority of muslims terrorists extremists and me commenting on it does not mean that I hate muslims. Of course you're only trying to make me out to be a muslim hater and I'm wasting my time responding to you since you are nothing more than a troll who inspires me to do an even greater job on my trolling abilities (thanks for your inspiration) and you never do anything constructive with your posts. So here's my final answer to you.
I hate terrorists, regardless of race, color, religion, or national origin. Unfortunately the terrorist don't have affirmative action so we can't have equal percentages of different races, colors, etc. So right now it appears that the muslim terrorists are taking all the jobs from the Irish, white militias, Black Panthers, etc. Maybe you can go over to them and try to explain that diversity is the cornerstone to any successful organization. So I'll be waiting with great anticipation to another classic Tribesman post of pretentious self rightiousness.

[Ser Clegane]

since you focus on their religeon then that must mean you like terrorists of another flavour , unless of course that it isn't terrorists that you hate , its just muslims

I think you getting a bit too much into nitpicking here.

In the context it which DD made his statement, the emphasis obviously is:

I just hate muslim terrorists.

as opposed to:

I just hate muslim terrorists.

A perhaps subtle, but important difference, however as response to this statement:

you started it as a place to hate all people who call themselves muslim. it should be clear that the first reading is the correct one.

I think Dave makes enough controversial statements to make it unnecessary to (perhaps intentionally?) misinterpret the less controversial ones ~;)

[Aenlic]

...Besides 9-11, suicide bombings in israel, killing american marines in lebanese barracks 1983, munich 1972, blowing up buses with women and children, the USS Cole bombing, beheadings, blowing up trains in spain and subways in london, shooting russian school children in the back, blowing up a bali nightclub, killing hostages in the Phillipines, developing nukes to "whipe Israel off the map", we shouldn't jump to conclusions on who (m*****s)did this.:wall:

Hmmm...


...(m*****s)

I wonder what exactly was meant by the above first post in this thread, especially considering the barely hidden import of the ending portion. Maybe I missed a meeting, but unless DD meant monkeys instead of what we all know he did mean, then I don't think Tribesman misinterpreted DD's post at all.

Maybe I'm not counting the asterisks properly. Are there enough asterisks in there to add up to Muslim terrorists? Let's see. 1...2...3...4...5... hmmm. Nope, I'm pretty sure he meant, and clearly posted, just Muslims, not terrorists or Muslim terrorists. The meaning is pretty clear. Good call, Tribesman. :wink:

[Kralizec]

Maybe. If Timothy McVeigh hadn't been stopped for a traffic violation, days and perhaps weeks would have been wasted looking for the Muslim terrorists responsible for blowing up the federal building in Oklahoma City. Remember who got blamed first for the train bombing in Madrid? Turns out it wasn't the Basques. But in the heat of the moment who got blamed? The Basques. :grin:

Well Spain was part of the Coalition of the WillingTM, against the will of most of the people. Al Quada was suspected by many instantly because of this. The gov'mnt said it was the ETA to save their skin.

[caravel]

Maybe. If Timothy McVeigh hadn't been stopped for a traffic violation, days and perhaps weeks would have been wasted looking for the Muslim terrorists responsible for blowing up the federal building in Oklahoma City. Remember who got blamed first for the train bombing in Madrid? Turns out it wasn't the Basques. But in the heat of the moment who got blamed? The Basques. :grin:

You are right of course, I'm not suggesting that anyone assume muslims are responsible, like you said it could have been the Bollywood Mafia! :laugh4:

What I am trying to say is that, agreeing with Ser Clegane, let's dispense with some of the pedantry here, and especially the pc rubbish. As yet we have no idea who was responsible as it's too early to say. If Islamic Extremists were responsible then it will be just another in a long line of similar attacks, only this time in a country far more volatile that Britain, Spain or the US.

[Aenlic]

As yet we have no idea who was responsible as it's too early to say.

Exactly, Caravel. Now go reread the first post in the thread, or the quoted portion of it in my previous post, and tell me if you can see where what you're saying doesn't match DD's post.

[Ser Clegane]

I wonder what exactly was meant by the above first post in this thread, especially considering the barely hidden import of the ending portion. Maybe I missed a meeting, but unless DD meant monkeys instead of what we all know he did mean, then I don't think Tribesman misinterpreted DD's post at all.
As I said - there are enough controversial statements - no sense in fabricating additional ones.
I think a lot of discussions here would benefit from focusing on what others actually post instead of making conjectures based on your perceptions of the poster

[caravel]

Exactly, Caravel. Now go reread the first post in the thread, or the quoted portion of it in my previous post, and tell me if you can see where what you're saying doesn't match DD's post.

Hmmmm, should I ignore your condescending tone? Yes.

You are basically trying to nitpick again over wording which will go on forever unless it stops here. I never stated, or insinuated that muslims extremists are to blame. I had said it was possible, nothing more nothing less. I never said this was my opinion, I was trying to think whom the Indian Government would go after. When a terrorist attack occurs the security forces quite obviously have to look to those with a motive. They don't just wait until they've found all the evidence, they usually start pulling people in. In India due to the Kashmir dispute, the government are likely to put Islamic extremists, and also Sikhs at the top of their suspect list (not mine). And you're right, they often jump to conclusions and make a huge mess.


As I said - there are enough controversial statements - no sense in fabricating additional ones.
I think a lot of discussions here would benefit from focusing on what others actually post instead of making conjectures based on your perceptions of the poster

Yea, I'm getting worn out going over the wording of exactly what I said and how it could be misconstrued...

[Tribesman]

I hate terrorists, regardless of race, color, religion, or national origin.
Thank you Dave , see it wasn't that hard to answer a simple question .:2thumbsup:

As yet we have no idea who was responsible as it's too early to say.
And there are so many suspects to choose from could it be the 20+ anti Indian groups in Kashmir, the dozen or so anti Indian groups inPakistan itself , the half dozen anti Indian indian groups from the western frontier , with the current upsuge could it be the Tamil/Senghalese at it again , or those crazy buggers up north, not to mention the Bangladeshis(I said don't mention them) ,then theres those christian fanatics , the Shik extremists , Hindu diehards , rebellious Bhuddists ,the communists , the maoists .....wow a whole sub continent with loads of terrorisyt nuts:inquisitive:
But no one mentioned the North koreans , it was the Mad Elvis that did it , he was upset that the Indians were successful with their missile test while his failed .

[Aenlic]

As I said - there are enough controversial statements - no sense in fabricating additional ones.
I think a lot of discussions here would benefit from focusing on what others actually post instead of making conjectures based on your perceptions of the poster

Nice selective quoting of my post. I fabricated nothing. I quoted exactly what he posted. Maybe the forum quoting system is messed up. I must have been focused on what someone else actually posted, rather than DD.

DD's first post in this thread is unequivocal. It's not open to misinterpretation. What he meant is very clear. He even faux-masked his intent to make it even more clear. He didn't say terrorists. He made it quite clear he was referring to Muslims. He didn't even say Muslim terrorists, just Muslims. Since the first post, this entire thread has been about that first post. There has been some backpedalling and some redefining and some outright fabrication. But the first post is unmistakable in tone and intent. And yet...

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's an orange. Gotcha.

Someone is deliberately misinterpreting posts here; but it isn't Tribesman... or me. Perhaps the wrong people are being accused of not focusing on exactly what is posted?

[Reverend Joe]

I think everyone here needs a lude. :jester:

[Masy]

Can anyone explain to me why islamic extremists would focus attacks on india, when seemingly the christian west is their priority? Have the indian's done anything to upset them recently (I have been on holiday for a week (and, to be honest, I haven't paid close attention to the news all year )).

[Ser Clegane]

Nice selective quoting of my post. I fabricated nothing.
I did not accuse you of fabricating anything (BTW, in which sense was the quote "selective"?)

The statement the Tribesman chose to disect was very clear as I stated in my previous post.
Saying "I only hate muslim terrorists" seems to be perfectly normal when responding to the accusation of "You hate all muslims"

You and Tribesman chose to (mis?)interprete this statement based on the opnening post.
Perhaps reasonable - however, why not simply responding to the initial post instead of trying to twist a "harmless" statement?

It's the tendency to take each and every statement of a patron whose views you disagree with (and I don't care about political "camps" here) and to try to make "witty" remarks about it that I have a problem with - completely destroys any meaningful discussion.

[Aenlic]

I did not accuse you of fabricating anything (BTW, in which sense was the quote "selective"?)

The statement the Tribesman chose to disect was very clear as I stated in my previous post.
Saying "I only hate muslim terrorists" seems to be perfectly normal when responding to the accusation of "You hate all muslims"

You and Tribesman chose to (mis?)interprete this statement based on the opnening post.
Perhaps reasonable - however, why not simply responding to the initial post instead of trying to twist a "harmless" statement?

It's the tendency to take each and every statement of a patron whose views you disagree with (and I don't care about political "camps" here) and to try to make "witty" remarks about it that I have a problem with - completely destroys any meaningful discussion.

First, I did respond to the initial post. And that's all I responded to, except the current sub-thread. Tribesman response was to the initial post as well.

In what sense was the quoting selective? Are you kidding? Do you mean other than not quoting the entire post and then making spurious claims about the content based on the partial quote? I made an effort to be very clear that my disagreement was with the original post in this thread. This makes at least the third time I've said exactly that.

You quoted part of my post, conveniently leaving out the part where I talked specifically about the original post and then you open your comments about my post with:


As I said - there are enough controversial statements - no sense in fabricating additional ones.
I think a lot of discussions here would benefit from focusing on what others actually post instead of making conjectures based on your perceptions of the poster.

You quote part, and only part of my post, and then say the above. In what sense were you not implying fabrication and misinterpretation on my part. Were you making reference to someone else's post and mistakenly quoted me instead? I don't think so. And in what sense was your quoting not selective, since it included only a portion of my post?

Tribesman objected to the original post in which DD made a very clear point that it should be blamed on Muslims. He didn't say we don't know who to blame. He made it very clear who he blamed. And he didn't blame just terrorists, or even Muslim terrorists. He only blamed Muslims. End of story. It doesn't get clearer than that. I objected to the original post, as well.

And yet, somehow, Tribesman and I are the ones fabricating and misinterpreting what DD clearly intended. Tribesman was spot on.

[Aenlic]

Hmmmm, should I ignore your condescending tone? Yes.

You are basically trying to nitpick again over wording which will go on forever unless it stops here. I never stated, or insinuated that muslims extremists are to blame. I had said it was possible, nothing more nothing less. I never said this was my opinion, I was trying to think whom the Indian Government would go after. When a terrorist attack occurs the security forces quite obviously have to look to those with a motive. They don't just wait until they've found all the evidence, they usually start pulling people in. In India due to the Kashmir dispute, the government are likely to put Islamic extremists, and also Sikhs at the top of their suspect list (not mine). And you're right, they often jump to conclusions and make a huge mess.



Yea, I'm getting worn out going over the wording of exactly what I said and how it could be misconstrued...

Caravel, at no point was I saying you said these things. I said DD was saying these things. Nor was I being condescending. My point was about DD practically stating that it was Muslims who were to blame. You said the exact opposite, as I recall. In fact, I quoted you. You said that it was too early to tell. I agreed with you, which is what I meant when I said "Exactly, Caravel." I then directed you to go read DD's first post again, in light of what you said about it being too early to tell.

But, of course, it's Tribesman and I who are "misinterpreting" what is being posted instead of actually reading exactly what was posted.

[caravel]

Caravel, at no point was I saying you said these things. I said DD was saying these things. Nor was I being condescending. My point was about DD practically stating that it was Muslims who were to blame. You said the exact opposite, as I recall. In fact, I quoted you. You said that it was too early to tell. I agreed with you, which is what I meant when I said "Exactly, Caravel." I then directed you to go read DD's first post again, in light of what you said about it being too early to tell.

But, of course, it's Tribesman and I who are "misinterpreting" what is being posted instead of actually reading exactly what was posted.

Ok I stand corrected, I obviouslly misunderstood. Apologies.

:2thumbsup:

[Aenlic]

Ok I stand corrected, I obviouslly misunderstood. Apologies.

:2thumbsup:

No offense intended, none taken. No harm no foul. Not even a head butt! :grin:

I think we're all misunderstanding each other. So I vote for this thread being closed as the trolling attempt it obviously was intended to be from the outset. It succeeded admirably.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

You have no idea how mad I am right now.

Those responsible: Burn in hell. That'll be nothing if I get my hands on you...

EDIT: And instead of of bitching about political correctness, why don't we focus on the people dead here no matter who did it, huh? I think that's a better idea...

[Devastatin Dave]

No offense intended, none taken. No harm no foul. Not even a head butt! :grin:

I think we're all misunderstanding each other. So I vote for this thread being closed as the trolling attempt it obviously was intended to be from the outset. It succeeded admirably.
:laugh4:

[Avicenna]

You have no idea how mad I am right now.

Those responsible: Burn in hell. That'll be nothing if I get my hands on you...

EDIT: And instead of of bitching about political correctness, why don't we focus on the people dead here no matter who did it, huh? I think that's a better idea...

Well, what is there to say? They're dead, and my sympathies to them and their families. But it's not enough to have a discussion on.

[Ser Clegane]

Apparently all has been said.

Thanks for all contributions