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Devastatin Dave
07-11-2006, 20:10
I believe drugs have been a positive influence on music. Bill hicks, comedian, he's dead now but he said something to the effect of...
"If you don't believe that drugs had a positive influence on music then do me a favor, go home and get all your records and burn them, because the musicians who created all this wonderful music that has influenced your life.....reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaal ####ing high on drugs"
No, drugs are bad for the individual of course health-wise, but musically, its great. What's your opinion?
Ted Nugent claims he has never done drugs. How about you go on a hunting trip with him, DD. Tell him your clever thoughts on the matter and see what happens. :grin:
A big fan of Bill Hicks are ya, DD? That's pretty funny, considering how left Bill Hicks was on the political spectrum. Maybe you just didn't hear any of his routines about what he thought of Reagan, hmmm?
Bill Hicks must be rolling over in his grave about now.
Byzantine Prince
07-11-2006, 20:26
It depends on the drug. Apparently you have no idea what different drugs actually do Dave.
Yes they can enhance your creativity, but by no means does that mean that you couldn't do that by yourself without the drugs.
They can also really mess up your thinking and make you incapable of making anything coherant (which is mostly the case with artists actually). A lot of artists have done some amazing work without drugs. Of course anything that alters your mind is going to make what you make different, and therefore more interesting for the person from the outside, simply because of the mystery behind your thoughts, more than the actual work.
"No, drugs are bad for the individual of course health-wise"
That's what the gov/ment will have you believe, but that is not the case for most recreational drugs (unless abused).
Weren't even the likes of Mozart and Beethoven on the opium when they were composing some of their greats?
I believe drugs have been a positive influence on music. Bill hicks, comedian, he's dead now but he said something to the effect of...
"If you don't believe that drugs had a positive influence on music then do me a favor, go home and get all your records and burn them, because the musicians who created all this wonderful music that has influenced your life.....reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaal ####ing high on drugs"
No, drugs are bad for the individual of course health-wise, but musically, its great. What's your opinion?
damn.....who would know it.....we have something in common.... ~:pat: ..Bill Hicks RULES!
I WANT MY ROCK STARS DEAD!!!! :2thumbsup:
now...more seriously.....
I think drugs can be a good think for creativity....if kept under check....there are lots of artists that keep their drug use under control and use it to create amazing works of art.....but for each one of those there is one that is destroyed by them......it´s a narrow bridge to cross....
my favorite band Queens of the Stone Age even have a song about this subject....it´s called..."First It Giveth(Then it taketh away)" the lead singer has publicly said that it´s about this very balance that must be maintained.....
Q: "Isn't it easier to make music on drugs?"
Josh: "Well I think we have a song that about this subject called First it Giveth, then it Taketh away, and I think at first you can draw inspiration and then eventually, it negates any inspiration." -
Hurin_Rules
07-11-2006, 20:37
I'm pretty sure Coleridge was a big drug user too. You don't write Kubla Khan without a little 'inspiration'.
I find drugs help me appreciate some forms of art. A fat spliff makes the impressionists seem endlessly fascinating. A little hash helps with the Lord of the Rings movies too :)
yesdachi
07-11-2006, 20:42
Drugs have been a creativity enhancer for a long time. Weather it be in the form of inhibition reducing alcohol or hallucinogens that take you for a journey without ever leaving the room. Drugs have IMO allowed musicians, artists and writers to expand their creative solutions well beyond what they could have without them.
A big fan of Bill Hicks are ya, DD? That's pretty funny, considering how left Bill Hicks was on the political spectrum. Maybe you just didn't hear any of his routines about what he thought of Reagan, hmmm?
Bill Hicks must be rolling over in his grave about now.
I was thinking about his Rush Limbaugh piece recently, when Rush was busted with the Viagra. I think Bill is happy knowing that his third eye was squeegeed clean when he wrote that one. :laugh4:
I'm pretty sure Coleridge was a big drug user too. You don't write Kubla Khan without a little 'inspiration'. Coleridge and Wordsworth were both hooked on opium. Best English paper I ever wrote in high school. :2thumbsup:
Absolutely! Cocaine must be a source of great creativity. Look at how much it helped Bush invent a credible military service record, which he now fondly remembers as if it actually happened.
In the interests of full disclosure, I should point out that, like Bush, I don't drink - anymore, do drugs - anymore, or smoke - anymore. :wink:
Devastatin Dave
07-11-2006, 20:49
Ted Nugent claims he has never done drugs. How about you go on a hunting trip with him, DD. Tell him your clever thoughts on the matter and see what happens. :grin:
A big fan of Bill Hicks are ya, DD? That's pretty funny, considering how left Bill Hicks was on the political spectrum. Maybe you just didn't hear any of his routines about what he thought of Reagan, hmmm?
Bill Hicks must be rolling over in his grave about now.
I have a great affection for Bill Hicks and have love all his comedy. I really like the routine he did about Rush getting a golden shower from various members of the right wing. Comedy and music is universal regardless of your political beliefs.
Ted Nugent can lick my nutsack.
Kanamori
07-11-2006, 20:52
Nope, I didn't do any amphetamines nor did anyone I knew. You should go troll someone else.
Half full, sorry for the misspell.
Amphetamines are used by the air force as go pills, as adderall, and ambien is used to put them to sleep afterward. I don't troll anyone, you just happen to say the most ridiculuous things of any other person here, all the while I am still yet to see you use anything near reason. Your replies are quips that rarely ever address the point, and are more often insults and jibes at other forum users.
Do you not agree that drugs have had a great influence on music but not a good affect on the musicians? Why can't you see my logic?
If you could show me where I said anything at all related to music, I would be thankful. How would I be able to see something that does not exist, Dave?
Did you take your pamperine yet?
I wonder, what does this have to do with anything in either thread? I do also wonder if you've ever found that spot in your family tree where your last name shows up twice, directly above some offspring. I think that your uncle bears some of the same resemblance, so I would look a few branches up.
I think that perhaps you should calm down dave, it might help you think more clearly.
Devastatin Dave
07-11-2006, 21:02
I wonder, what does this have to do with anything in either thread? I do also wonder if you've ever found that spot in your family tree where your last name shows up twice, directly above some offspring. I think that your uncle bears some of the same resemblance, so I would look a few branches up.
I think that perhaps you should calm down dave, it might help you think more clearly.
Boy this is getting old. Whether it's the frontroom, backroom, where ever you go after my family. Why are you interested in inbreeding. Nope, I'm not inbread. Its sad that you are having to pull material from another thread just to troll me. I have nothing more than "insults and jibes"? Seems like the only thing you have is your constant fantasizing about inbreeding. Post something constructive or about the subject in this thread or go back to your NAMBLA sites.
Ser Clegane
07-11-2006, 21:05
Don't use this thread to live out your personal animosities.
If you have something to contribute to the topic, please do so, if you just want to make personal attacks, this is certainly not the right place.
Reverend Joe
07-11-2006, 21:44
Acid, in MEASURED quantities, can do wonders to a musician's performance, but only if you like psychedelic music. Unfortunately, when it is used too much for too long, it causes the mind to break down drastically.
Frankly, I think that much of Syd's consumption of acid at the peak of his career was unintentional, or undesired; I have a feeling that those around him were feeding him extra acid to keep him going, and it eventually caused him to flame out. David Gilmour has often said that he thinks that what happeded to Syd was inevitable, and that the drugs only helped it along, which IS an awfully odd way of looking at your friend's demise, although he may just be trying to cover up his depression about what happened. Still... :thinking:
CNN has the following article today about a controlled study of hallucinogens:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/07/10/psychedelic.research.ap/index.html
CNN has the following article today about a controlled study of hallucinogens:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/07/10/psychedelic.research.ap/index.html
Funded in part by the federal government. :dizzy2: Must be the religious aspect of it. Now this is something Bill would be proud of!
doc_bean
07-11-2006, 22:06
People react differently to different drugs. Even the same person can react differently to a drug at different times.
Alcohol used to make me a funny, social guy, now it just makes me a boring whiner. Drugs when used at the right time and in the right dose can probably improve a person. But in general people on drugs overrate themselves, everything is groovy when you're tripping. Great (drug using) artists can take what they got out of a trip and use it when sober, or can actually show judgement when high.
Drugs can 'unlock' hidden potential in people, but drugs won't turn a Blink 182 into a Ramones.
I don't think it's proper to ignore or prohibit research simply because of a negative perception which isn't entirely rational. There are many possible uses for therapy which has these kinds of results, from treating victims of PTSD to treating various other kinds of psychological disorders.
Anything can be abused and or misused. Does that mean we should ignore research into positive benefits altogether? That just doesn't make sense to me.
As one of the researchers said in the article, 40 years of research time was wasted because of an overreaction to the abuse of this class of drugs in the 1960's. That's a shame.
master of the puppets
07-11-2006, 22:33
hmm, except for a little alchohol, which i must say i disliked, and a little second hand pot i never delved much into drugs (only 16 btw nerd/goth hybrid so say my stoner freinds). but i did'nt do pot when i had the chance (i'm like an honor student, thought it would make make me as dumb as my freinds) and you say it makes everyone feel smarter and inspired and crap, so do you think i should do it? no, honest question, a few of you have admitted enjoying the drugs so would you recomend um to me?
oh and i'm just talking pot, not gonna smoke crack or do heroin (knew a dickhead who was a heroin addict, hes in prison now and i could'nt be happier for him.)
doc_bean
07-11-2006, 22:41
you say it makes everyone feel smarter and inspired and crap, so do you think i should do it? no, honest question, a few of you have admitted enjoying the drugs so would you recomend um to me?
Notice the 'feel' part. In my experience people only get dumber from smoking pot (not permanent thank God). People who might have actually been 'inspired' by drugs used this like acid (musicians) or opium (a lot of old school writers).
Ernest Hemingway once said that he couldn't write a word while sober. He used alcohol to unleash his muse. It's not uncommon. It's also not universal.
Yes, a lot of great art has been created under the influence. But the same things which can inspire can also ruin. The list of those who were so ruined is long.
Just as it's a mistake to ignore the benefits of at least researching, in a clinical and sensible way, certain drugs; it is also a mistake to attach too much benefit to the use and abuse of such drugs, alcohol included.
Maybe I'm just being too Hegelian, in supposing that there is a middle road between the thesis and antithesis. :grin:
GeneralHankerchief
07-11-2006, 23:42
Some drugs will probably increase your creativity potential, but burn you out faster. Case in point with Syd, Morrison, Hendrix, et al.
So if you're a fan of a musician who uses drugs to create: enjoy him while you can.
Reverend Joe
07-12-2006, 00:01
Hendrix was actually still going strong when he died. Listen to his postmortem album sometime; it actually shows further improvement.
Hendrix's music has never sounded very acid-driven to me, especially the later compositions (i.e. Band of Gypsies, New Rising Sun), which sound very clearheaded.
@NeonGod: :laugh4: You are sober.
GeneralHankerchief
07-12-2006, 01:43
I think you're just making my point. Hendrix was showing "further improvement" when he died (yes, I agree with you). Imagine how much more he could have done had he stayed in moderation.
The drugs still robbed us of his true potential.
Devastatin Dave
07-12-2006, 02:01
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The drugs still robbed us of his true potential.
I believe the drugs gave us his full potential. Tes it sucks he died, but if he hadn't beened whacked out of his mind he could have stayed in the Army maybe and that great music would have never happened. I want my music filled with the agony and pain of real life.
You don't need drugs to enjoy Bob Marley's music. The music itself is the drug.
"Sun Is Shining", "The Heathen", "So Much Trouble In the World (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sweplNMcfHQ)", etc., kosmik sounds. Untouchable.
Burning Spear too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOhBOdxO6Hg
Isn't music illegal and really bad for you?
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