American in al-Qaeda

[Avicenna]

Don't know if this is news to anybody, but I've just heard about it:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13842265/

What are everyone's views on the fact that an American is calling for America's destruction?

EDIT: whoops, pressed 'v' one time too many.

[macsen rufus]

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Censorship! It's a conspiracy!



But more seriously, isn't the reason American citizens have the right to bear arms in the constitution specifically so they can overthrow an unjust government?

[scooter_the_shooter]

That's treason when we capture him we should kill him, It's not going to happen though.


Protesting while yelling !@#$ america and such, is disgusting but not treason.....joining those who want to convert or kill is treason plain and simple.



The bleeding hearts out their will say "he was a misguided impressionable little boy.....don't kill the man that wants to convert us or chop our heads........he means well! Lets give him a hug!"

[whyidie]

Don't know if this is news to anybody, but I've just heard about it:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13842265/

What are everyone's views on the fact that an American is calling for America's destruction?

EDIT: whoops, pressed 'v' one time too many.


My view is: so what ? We can have crazy people too.

[King Ragnar]

Hes no american, might have been born in american but i sure as hell would not dare call him American, its like calling the 7/7 bombers 'British', they were not British at all

[Ser Clegane]

Hes no american, might have been born in american but i sure as hell would not dare call him American, its like calling the 7/7 bombers 'British', they were not British at all

I already had some difficulties following your logic for British people - but this is really interesting.
How would you define "American"?

[King Ragnar]

Someone of European disent, obviously not a muslim.

[Ser Clegane]

Someone of European disent, obviously not a muslim.
Why?

[Banquo's Ghost]

Someone of European disent, obviously not a muslim.

Great, some Ragnar baiting. :grin:

OK, so all the African-Americans aren't American? :inquisitive:

[King Ragnar]

Great, some Ragnar baiting. :grin:

Hi mate :2thumbsup:


African Americans were slaves, the actual settelers of Ameica were European, or basically WASP's, dont take that as a KKK ideology btw, basically anyone who isnt a muslim can be American ok :2thumbsup:

[Ser Clegane]

basically anyone who isnt a muslim can be American ok

Again - why?

[King Ragnar]

Because muslims preach hate and dont like the west thus they should be not allowed to live in any country int he west.

[Ser Clegane]

Because muslims preach hate and dont like the west thus they should be not allowed to live in any country int he west.

Considering the muslims who are posting here, I would say that your statement is wrong.
Actually I would say that it is you who is preaching hate...

[Banquo's Ghost]

African Americans were slaves, the actual settelers of Ameica were European, or basically WASP's, dont take that as a KKK ideology btw, basically anyone who isnt a muslim can be American ok :2thumbsup:

Oh, I think you'll find the KKK much more consistent and left-wing than your viewpoints.

You defined an American as someone of European 'disent' (by which I take it you meant descent, as in having had a European ancestor, rather than dissent as in having a European argument - both would be a valid position :smile:)

So, I ask again, regardless of their provenance, are African-Americans, American?

Since you restrict to WASPs and are keen on citizenship based on religion, what about Catholic Americans?

:inquisitive:

[King Ragnar]

Look once again anyone can be american apart from muslims and to make ser Clergane happy its because i dislike them and their religion, so there now you can ban me for saying i dislike something.

[Banquo's Ghost]

Look once again anyone can be american apart from muslims and to make ser Clergane happy its because i dislike them and their religion, so there now you can ban me for saying i dislike something.

Well, I'm sure the USA is grateful for your permission to grant citizenship. :laugh4:

I can't speak for Ser Clegane, but I always feel the best way to deal with racists is to let them embarrass themselves, as you have done time after time.

:2thumbsup:

[King Ragnar]

who says im racist, if a muslim preaches hate, he is not racist, if a muslim kills civilians he is a hero, yet when i say i dislike a religion im racist, sure

[whyidie]

who says im racist, if a muslim preaches hate, he is not racist, if a muslim kills civilians he is a hero, yet when i say i dislike a religion im racist, sure


Are you angry ?

[King Ragnar]

Yes Very

[Reenk Roink]

who says im racist, if a muslim preaches hate, he is not racist, if a muslim kills civilians he is a hero, yet when i say i dislike a religion im racist, sure

No, if a Muslim preaches hate, he is a hatemongeror, if a Muslim kills civilians, he is a terrorist...

Muslims actually get the poopy end of the stick in many cases...

This is the vibe I get from the mainstream view...

Honestly... :rolleyes:

[Banquo's Ghost]

who says im racist, if a muslim preaches hate, he is not racist, if a muslim kills civilians he is a hero, yet when i say i dislike a religion im racist, sure

What about a muslim who preaches peace, or a muslim who saves lives as a doctor? Or a muslim who serves in your Army, helping defend your sorry ass?

[King Ragnar]

Well by all means create a division int he army full of muslims and just sacrifice them for their fellow muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan, Muslims preaching peace, where i havent seen it any where. your joking right?

[Banquo's Ghost]

Well by all means create a division int he army full of muslims and just sacrifice them for their fellow muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan, Muslims preaching peace, where i havent seen it any where. your joking right?

Would you plan to give this sacrificial division any weaponry or can't they be trusted? Maybe just send them to their deaths with some pointy sticks? :charge:

As for peace, here's one for starters (http://www.britainyearlymeeting.org.uk/warwickshire/page.asp?pageid=82&parentid=53). You've heard of the Quakers, right?

Or maybe this (http://www.peacedirect.org/latest-news/Young_Muslims_Speak_New_Report_P.html) helps?

I'm sure you get the drift - I won't expect you to do any actual reading. Maybe you ought to try talking to a Muslim or two.

Nah. Stupid idea. :rolleyes:

[whyidie]

Yes Very


Do you feel unable to do anything about the problem and does this add to your feelings of anger ?

[King Ragnar]

I'm sure you get the drift - I won't expect you to do any actual reading. Maybe you ought to try talking to a Muslim or two.

Nah. Stupid idea. :rolleyes:

No chance mate, thankfully i dont live down south or in a big city where they are all over, im happy in my little town without them and dont plan on speaking to any of them in my life time unless completely neccessary.

Yes pritty much Whyidie, i see my country ont he decline with all these muslims and terrorist, you know the big solution could be just to get all muslims out the country pull out of any country int he middle east and just get on with ourselves then we would have no bombings etc.

[Reenk Roink]

See the problem that people have with you are your views...

You say terrible things about Muslims, and justify this by your "dislike" of Islam...

Here is your first problem, does disliking Islam give you a reason to "dislike" (for some reason I view this as an understatement) all Muslims?

For example, I have mild philosophical qualms with homosexuality, yet never in my life would I go "oMg!1! dIe U f4Gz!1! lolll!l1l1l" or hurl similar invective. I would never consider myself to "hate homosexuals".

Also, seeing as you have not elaborated on the reasons why you dislike Islam, one is tempted to think that you simply harbor hate for no good reason...

If you were to politely and intelligently list your problems with Islam in a discussion, I am sure nobody would think you are a racist...

[Red Peasant]

He's been reading too many of Shadey's posts. :laugh4:
Don't believe everything you read in the Backroom mate.

[Banquo's Ghost]

Yes pritty much Whyidie, i see my country ont he decline with all these muslims and terrorist, you know the big solution could be just to get all muslims out the country pull out of any country int he middle east and just get on with ourselves then we would have no bombings etc.

But dear, cuddly Ragnar, you might remember that you used to have bombings all the time, much nastier, much more frequent - all from my lot across the water.

Not a muslim amongst 'em, all good fine upstanding Christians.

What's the big plan now? :inquisitive:

[King Ragnar]

Kick the Irish out duh ~D

[x-dANGEr]

Look once again anyone can be american apart from muslims and to make ser Clergane happy its because i dislike them and their religion, so there now you can ban me for saying i dislike something.
Racism Alert.. Ooops! :idea2:

[Banquo's Ghost]

Kick the Irish out duh ~D

Excellent plan. After all, we are all immigrants. But you plan to throw out people by religion, don't you?

Since both sides used terror tactics and killed British people, all Catholics and Protestants should be thrown out too?

:inquisitive:

[Husar]

@Ragnar: I agree with Reenk-Roink, you make the impression to hate them just so, without any good reason.
And if you never want to talk to them, you will never get a real opinion on them, because your opinion is only based on secondary sources. You cannot rate all muslims by what some of their "leaders" or terrorists say. Or can I blame you for the faults of Tony Blair and the IRA?

[Redleg]

Someone of European disent, obviously not a muslim.

What about us of unpure European stock - you know one that has direct ancestors who were native to the land before the Europeans showed up.

What about Irish blood. What about the sub group called Scots-Irish that populated the Western Applicahan Mountains - you know the folks that many call Hill Billies.....

I guess my English and Scotish ancestors more then make up for my unpure European blood having been tainted not only by the Irish but those pesty Native Americans..

I guess off to the concentration camp I go....

Oh that right - I am perfectably acceptable because I don't practice Islam......

I like poking fun at racist to bad I missed the majority of it. Good Show Ghost

[Perplexed]

you know the big solution could be just to get all muslims out the country pull out of any country int he middle east and just get on with ourselves then we would have no bombings etc.

I'm sure that would be the best solution. I mean it just stands to reason, doesn't it, that if a country professes it's hate for another and without provocation forcefully ejects all citizens who can trace their descent back to that country, then it wouldn't foster any more hatred at all, would it?
:stupido2:

Of course, from looking over this thread I can see that we don't need any foreign terrorists to foster more hatred, just a few more people like you.

[Divinus Arma]

Well that was an interesting read.

[Ser Clegane]

I can't speak for Ser Clegane, but I always feel the best way to deal with racists is to let them embarrass themselves,

Agree - I wouldn't ban somebody for saying he dislikes a certain group of people. Expressing the dislike does IMO not constitute a violation of forum rules.
The situation might look different when reasons are given - as reasons for general dislike tend to be generalizations of offensive nature.

In this case King Ragnar's statements certainly tell more about himself and his logic (or lack of the latter as also shown by Aenlic in another thread) than they tell about muslims.

This conversation rather leaves me baffled than offended...

[Dâriûsh]

Can everyone please just stop feeding the troll?


My ignore-list is getting crammed. ~:rolleyes:

[Don Corleone]

Back to the topic at hand... is anybody really surprised by this guy (the American al-Queda calling for the death of all American Christians and Jews)? In a country of 300 million, there's bound to be at least one (and I'd be willing to bet there's a quite a few more, particularly up in Dearborn, MI).

You can writhe and seethe and scream all you want, but at the end of the day, what he's saying is no better, no worse than what comes out of the American Nazi Party, the Black Panthers, and other extremist race/religion based groups. You have to give these idiots their soapbox, if for no other reason then you don't lull yourself into a false sense of security thinking they're not out there. Tell the truth, before you got enraged, and wanted to 'get him', how many Americans reading this story were at first genuinely surprised/shocked?

[Byzantine Mercenary]

i think that the main problem here and in general is the grouping of people assuming that all Muslims are the same and that all Americans are the same...


Ragnar, the Muslim community is at least as diverse in ideology's and moral codes as Christianity in fact perhaps even more so, the Quran condemns suicide, and the killing of non combatants.

Islams literal translation is ''way of peace and submission to the will of God''
their god is the same god as that of the Jews and the Christians and most Muslims have historically showed huge respect for both groups

There are Christians Jews and Zoroastrians living all over the Muslim world in peace and often co-operation with Muslims, indeed saints like st John are even shared!

The fact is that even the most peaceful of teachings can be distorted, indeed i regularly find myself of arguing with people who decide that because something terrible is done in the name of a religion, be it Islam or Christianity that it is the religion at fault, there is only 1 real reason for the majority of the actions of these ''Muslim'' terrorists and that is a lust for power, its just that saying thats why their fighting doesn't sound quite as noble! :laugh4:

Would an act of evil made in your name by someone who does not agree with anything you say or do make you evil?

Back on topic i am not surprised that an American could get involved in this, when people are brainwashed, logic and reason go out the window