Muslim Shoots Jews in Seattle, USA

[Crazed Rabbit]

From:http://www.bellinghamherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060729/NEWS09/607290333/1001/NEWS

Deadly Seattle rampage kills one, wounds five
Gunman claimed to be a Muslim angry at Israel

TIM BOOTH
ASSOCIATED PRESS

SEATTLE - A gunman who claimed to be a Muslim angry at Israel killed one woman and wounded five others Friday afternoon at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle, and police arrested the man they believe was the shooter.

The whole thing:
Deadly Seattle rampage kills one, wounds five
Gunman claimed to be a Muslim angry at Israel


TIM BOOTH
ASSOCIATED PRESS
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SEATTLE - A gunman who claimed to be a Muslim angry at Israel killed one woman and wounded five others Friday afternoon at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle, and police arrested the man they believe was the shooter.
The gunman forced his way through the security door at the federation after an employee had punched in her security code, Marla Meislin-Dietrich, a database coordinator for the center, told The Associated Press.
"He said 'I am a Muslim American, angry at Israel,' before opening fire on everyone," Meislin-Dietrich said. "He was randomly shooting at everyone."
Booked into jail late Friday night on suspicion of homicide and attempted homicide was Naveed Afzal Haq.
Asked if the suspect was a Muslim, Seattle Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske told an evening news conference "you could infer that that was his background."
Haq, 30, previously lived in Pasco, one of southeast Washington's Tri-Cities, Seattle police said in a statement released late Friday night. The Seattle Times reported Haq had lived most recently in Everett, north of Seattle, but police could not confirm that.
Haq had a misdemeanor lewd conduct charge pending in Benton County, near Pasco, where he was accused of exposing himself in a public place, his Kennewick attorney, Larry Stephenson, told The Times.
Haq's parents were shaken by his arrest in the shootings, the lawyer said.
"I talked to his father, and his mother is crying, and they don't know what is going on," Stephenson said. "They are very, very shook up."
Stephenson said he does not believe Haq had a job.
One woman died at the scene and five others were under treatment at Harborview Medical Center, Kerlikowske said.
When the shots rang out around 4 p.m. Friday, employees fled the center in terror as nearby police officers charged to the scene and blocked off several downtown blocks.
The gunman turned himself in to a SWAT team just minutes after the shooting began. He spoke with a 911 dispatcher, a phone call that led police to tag the shooting as a hate crime. Mayor Greg Nickels and Kerlikowske said officers were moving to protect both synagogues and mosques around the city, but said there was no evidence of a broad conspiracy.
"This was a purposeful, hateful act, as far as we know by an individual acting on his own," Nickels said.
Kerlikowske said they were protecting mosques "because there's always the concern of retaliatory crime."
Laura Laughlin, special agent in charge of the Seattle FBI office, said the arrested man was a U.S. citizen and agents were working to contact his relatives.
Authorities have been advising synagogues and Jewish groups to be watchful in the weeks since hostilities erupted between Israel and Lebanon. Assistant Police Chief Nick Metz said the warning was not in response to any specific threats.
Three of the injured women were in critical condition after being shot in the abdomen, hospital spokeswoman Pamela Steele said. Two others were in satisfactory condition: a 37-year-old woman, five months pregnant, who had been shot in the forearm; and another woman who was shot in the knee, Steele said.
Several witnesses said they saw a man walk up and shoot a woman in the leg on a sidewalk near the federation building. One witness, who refused to give his name, said that shooting was just outside a nearby Starbucks. There was a small pool of blood outside that coffee shop.
Police evacuated several nearby buildings as SWAT teams searched the federation building, looking for any other victims, anyone hiding or any other possible shooters.
Patti Simon was at work at the federation's newspaper on the first floor when she heard screaming, shots and what sounded like furniture crashing on the floor above.
"We heard this horrible screaming on the floor above us and shots," said Simon, 52, who sells advertising at the paper. Simon called up to her co-workers on the second floor, but got no answer, so she called the police and fled the building.
"People got shot, some of our co-workers," Simon said, her voice shaking. "I just got back from Israel and made it out of there a half hour before the rockets started."
The federation's Web site describes its mission as "to ensure Jewish survival and enhance the quality of Jewish life by meeting needs locally, in Israel and worldwide." It was among sponsors of a Solidarity With Israel rally last weekend.

Sounds like an angry young unemployed man. They don't say which mosque he attended, or if he did, but I would suspect he did. Too bad the SWAT didn't end it then and there at the center. Would've saved a lot of legal fees. Though, perhaps, we will get to see the disturbing thought behind home-grown radical Islam inspired terror. Discusssion Question: Did the stream of hate pouring from some Muslims (Mostly outside the US...I think) regarding Israel affect his decision?

Oh, and you have to love the idiot Police Chief's comments:
PC "I got my gun stolen mommy"
Kerlikowske said they were protecting mosques "because there's always the concern of retaliatory crime."

Right. I bet there's a huge chance of that. I would like to hear the 911 call the murderer made, however.

Though, if you think all terror is because of America's backing of Israel, this makes more sense* than bombing a nightclub full of Australians in Indonesia.

EDIT: More on the murderer, Naveed Afzal Haq:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003160576_webshooting29m1.html

Crazed Rabbit
*In a non-sensical sort of way.

[Reenk Roink]

Disgusting...:shame:

Reeks of the hate crimes after 9-11...

Does Washington have the death penalty?

[Crazed Rabbit]

I think we do have Capital Punishment in Washington.


Reeks of the hate crimes after 9-11...

I believe more people got shot there then in every anti-Muslim hate crime after 9/11. Not surprising, considering the hype around a few incidents, though one man was tragically killed.

And I dare say it is an example of homegrown terror and the far and convoluted reach of Islamic terror.

EDIT: Video of the murderer being handcuffed (http://www.king5.com/sharedcontent/VideoPlayer/videoPlayer.php?vidId=78375).
http://www.king5.com/images/slideshows/072806shooting1.jpg

[Reenk Roink]

I think we do have Capital Punishment in Washington.

Certainly the premeditated nature of the crime, along with the hate motive warrants it... :rtwno:


I believe more people got shot there then in every anti-Muslim hate crime after 9/11. Not surprising, considering the hype around a few incidents, though one man was tragically killed.

I posted a list of crimes after 9-11 in a thread long ago, but suffice to say, there were several murders and about a score or so attempted murders only weeks after 9-11. Most of the crimes were vandalism of mosques...


And I dare say it is an example of homegrown terror and the far and convoluted reach of Islamic terror.

Well, I don't know about that:


David Gomez, the assistant special agent-in-charge of the Seattle FBI office, said there is "nothing to indicate he is part of a larger organization."

"We believe he is a lone individual with antagonism toward this organization," said Gomez.

He also doesn't seem to be a devout Muslim by any stretch:


Haq had been charged with misdemeanor lewd conduct in Benton County for allegedly exposing himself in a public place in Kennewick, Stephenson said. He declined to elaborate. The charge is punishable by up to a year in jail.


Haq's father, Mian A. Haq, was a founding member of the Islamic Centre of Tri-Cities in Richland, said center member Youseff Shehadeh. He described the younger Haq as a loner who attended holidays at the center but was barely involved in recent years.

But many of the 9-11 attackers visted strip clubs, so it's too early to tell...

[Crazed Rabbit]

You don't have to be part of a larger organization to be a terrorist. Look at Timothy Mcveigh, or the DC snipers.


Haq had been charged with misdemeanor lewd conduct in Benton County for allegedly exposing himself in a public place in Kennewick, Stephenson said. He declined to elaborate. The charge is punishable by up to a year in jail.

You might want to swing by the Sharia law thread to see how that system treats different genders in regard to sexual crimes.


Haq's father, Mian A. Haq, was a founding member of the Islamic Centre of Tri-Cities in Richland, said center member Youseff Shehadeh. He described the younger Haq as a loner who attended holidays at the center but was barely involved in recent years.

At that specific center. He could have gone to others.


But many of the 9-11 attackers visted strip clubs, so it's too early to tell...
A good point.

[Reenk Roink]

You might want to swing by the Sharia law thread to see how that system treats different genders in regard to sexual crimes.

According to the a Muslim who lives in the Middle East who posted there, that isn't Sharia law. And gender prejudices in Muslim countries aside, exposing yourself isn't a sign of a devout Muslim...


At that specific center. He could have gone to others.

We'll have to see...

[Dâriûsh]

A law-enforcement source identified the arrested suspect as Naveed Afzal Haq, 30, who until recently had lived in Everett, and said Haq apparently has a history of mental illness.

...

[Crazed Rabbit]

According to the a Muslim who lives in the Middle East who posted there, that isn't Sharia law. And gender prejudices in Muslim countries aside, exposing yourself isn't a sign of a devout Muslim...

That may be so, but perception matters greatly. And I agree, it probably isn't a sign of devoutness.


We'll have to see...

Indeed. He may have just stayed at home and listened to anti-Jewish bigots on the internet, also.

Crazed Rabbit

[lancelot]

'Im angry at Israel so Im gonna go shoot people in Seattle'....are people just brain-dead????...what on earth is shooting people in seattle gonna achieve???

If you were that bothered about Israel you would get on a plane and go and fight for the lebanese (sp?) forces...but you arnt that bothered are you?...its much easier to shoot locals...

I just hope this moron does the world a favour and seriously considers against breeding.

[Reenk Roink]

I just hope this moron does the world a favour and seriously considers against breeding.

Well he could (and should) be executed, unless if he is mentally ill, where he could (and should) face life in prison/asylum. That and the fact that people were repulsed enough to call the police when he publicly flashed, pretty much guarantee against breeding...

[whyidie]

I know a guy who is pretty close friends with the family of the murderer. From what he is saying the murderer was a nutjob and his relationship with the rest of the family was estranged.

The mosque that the guy and the suspects family attend sent out a letter condemning the attack and offering their condolences to the Jewish community.

I have no idea if this is in the news, but the guy tells me that he and his family have been interviewed by the print and tv media.

[monkian]

'Im angry at Israel so Im gonna go shoot people in Seattle'....are people just brain-dead????...what on earth is shooting people in seattle gonna achieve???

If you were that bothered about Israel you would get on a plane and go and fight for the lebanese (sp?) forces...but you arnt that bothered are you?...its much easier to shoot locals...

I just hope this moron does the world a favour and seriously considers against breeding.


People with mental illness don't really distinguish things like us.

Although this is tragic its nothing new, how many 'home grown' cases of terrorism and lashing out and the general public have there been in the USA ?

Well, heres a few


George Metesky: New York City's Mad Bomber

http://www.crimelibrary.com/terrorists_spies/terrorists/metesky/2.html

Ted Kaczynski: The Unabomber

http://www.crimelibrary.com/terrorists_spies/terrorists/kaczynski/6.html

And the most shocking - man who laced a school with dynamite

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/history/bath/index_1.html

[lancelot]

^Yes you are correct of course

...its almost funny in a sad sort of way...it was bad enough when 'sane' (and I use the term loosely) muslims were blowing themselves up...now we have nutters jumping on the band-wagon!

At the very least, he certainly seemed 'with it' enough to comprehend the religious undertones of his beef with Israel.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Certainly the premeditated nature of the crime, along with the hate motive warrants it... :rtwno:

I am glad that this criminal is off the streets, though it appears that this criminal is more "whack-job" than "terrorist" -- at least to the extent it is possible to distinguish between the two terms.

I disagree with the death penalty, though this person needs to be permanently separated from society for the protection of all.

I also disagree with the whole concept that "hate" crimes should warrant greater punishment because they are somehow "worse." Is someone murdering their spouse for the insurance money less evil than a Klukker shooting an African American for dating a Causasian? All crimes of violence are "hate" crimes.

[Kralizec]

Seamus: don't tell me you have never felt sympathy for a killer? I know I have.

Some murders are more understandable. Every person is capable of murder, but different people have different thresholds.

A KKK member shooting a black person (I dislike the term "African American") isn't worse then a woman shooting her husband for insurance money, but it certainly is worse then a crime passionnel, for example.

Motivation should be a factor in determining the punishment, but I'm not in favour of catagoricly punishing "hate crime" murders worse.

[NodachiSam]

Utterly absurd. Prison is a small slap on the wrist for such an irrational idealogical act of violence. Murder is murder, inspired by hate, idealogy, and or lunacy. I think such a clear case of guilt would be sufficent for a heavy sentence, maybe even the death penalty.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Seamus: don't tell me you have never felt sympathy for a killer? I know I have.

I try not to, but probably do anyway. Murder seems pretty heinous to me, however -- this chap wasn't hunting the people who killed his uncle or anything.

Unless that was a Pythonian reference which I mis-read?


A KKK member shooting a black person (I dislike the term "African American") isn't worse then a woman shooting her husband for insurance money, but it certainly is worse then a crime passionnel, for example.

Agreed, but I was indicating a comparison between equivalent pre-meditated crimes.


Motivation should be a factor in determining the punishment, but I'm not in favour of catagoricly punishing "hate crime" murders worse.

Agreed.

[Major Robert Dump]

Mel Gibson approves, apparently

[Fragony]

Always angry about the palestinians, why don't they go jihad with Marocco's occupation of the western sahara, just as much fun and it can be combined with a holiday. Drinking margeritta's on the beach after some bestial displays of rabid rage, sounds great to me.

[Devastatin Dave]

Mel Gibson approves, apparently
Good one!!!:laugh4:

"####ing Jews!!!":laugh4:
http://www.tmz.com/2006/07/28/gibsons-anti-semitic-tirade-alleged-cover-up/

[Don Corleone]

Believe me, I no defender of those radical followers of Islam that are seeking to bring about a new Caliphate. But the article clearly stated the fellow was mentally ill. Would any Israeli or American Jew for that matter be happy with the choice of Rabbi Meir Kahane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meir_Kahane) as the representative of their viewpoint? And he wasn't even diagnosed as mentally ill...

[Bar Kochba]

i would be happy if he were a representitive of the jewish people he preached only the jewish faith and nothing else. there is just alot of leftist propoganda in their to demonise him

[Tribesman]

i would be happy if he were a representitive of the jewish people he preached only the jewish faith and nothing else. there is just alot of leftist propoganda in their to demonise him
See Don , nuts on both sides .
So Son of a Star , you have a nice little bit in your siggy , so much better than the terrorist slogan you used to have . So could you explain what happens to all the non-Jews when you get your dream fulfilled .
Would you like some nice links from either the London or NY based Kahane forums to explain it clearly for everyone ?

[Bar Kochba]

non jews are allowed to live in israel as long as the agree to the state and they are not premoted over a jew thats how it is according to jewish law

[Tribesman]

You mean non-jews are second class citizens then Son of a Star , interesting .
I am afraid the Israeli courts don't agree with you , the wrong sort of Jews are also second class citzens according to the laws you and the hate filled messianic nuts dream of .
Remember they must all be obliterated completely for you to get your paradise . It says so in your scripture if you read it in a rabid Kahane nutcase way .
i would be happy if he were a representitive of the jewish people he preached only the jewish faith
Yep and Osama only preaches the Muslim faith , Phelps only preaches the Christian faith .

[Bar Kochba]

he dosent preach that they all must be oblitorated i dont know where you read that clap-trap read one of his books and then you will see what he is about before you do that dont bother talking about something you barley know about. a little knowledge is a dangours thing

[Don Corleone]

Well, with all due respect Bar Kochba, I'm with Tribesman on this one, though I wish I had picked a less controversial figure. Rabbi Kehane preached that all non-Jews (racially & religiously, so there's no hope for the rest of us) should have limited property rights and be thrown in jail for engaging in sexual relations with Jews and gentiles should never be allowed to be in authority positions over Jews, even in non-Jewish companies doing business in Israel. . Basically, all us goyam would be your peasant class. Sounds nice from your side of the street, I'm sure, but I'm afraid it doesn't work out too well for us. You'll have to forgive me for not sounding all to excited about signing up for that.

[Bar Kochba]

i can see how you see it from a nin jewish point of view and you dont have to agree with my opinions this is what i beileve you dont have to :2thumbsup:

i dont mind:juggle2:

[Don Corleone]

Well, for a group that itself knows firsthand what second-hand citizenship is like throughout the ages, I'm surprised to see Jews of any flavor advocating such an existence for Israel. I would have thought better, but I guess you'll find the best and worst in every culture. Rabbi Kahane proved that racists and bigots exist everywhere, even among Jews.

[Bar Kochba]

not racist... more of a religonist anyone who converts to judasim is as jewish as the greatest rabbi in the world you can be any coulou dosent stop you from being jewish judasim is not a race but i end it here. stealing the thread

[Don Corleone]

See, you hold that converts to Judaism are Jewish, and I can at least applaud you for that, even if you hold your faith as a justification for prefential treatment. Rabbi Kahane held that converts to Judiasm were still goyam and still deserved lesser treatment.

[Tribesman]

he dosent preach that they all must be oblitorated i dont know where you read that clap-trap read one of his books and then you will see what he is about before you do that dont bother talking about something you barley know about. a little knowledge is a dangours thing
You assume that I havn't read any of his work , silly boy .
I have read his hate filled trash just like I have read the trash from your other favourite hate filled rabbi who celebrated the slaughter on 9/11 .
The supremacy of g~ds chosen people and the coming of their salvation bollox:furious3:

[Bar Kochba]

to DON i dont know where you got that but it is not true ive heard him on radio recording saying that any jew who converts is as jewish as the greatest rabbis

tribesman which rabbi celebrated 9/11 i have no idea who you are talking about.

[Tribesman]

tribesman which rabbi celebrated 9/11 i have no idea who you are talking about.
That would be the same one who celebrated the bombings in your own city , you should have an idea , after all you did start a topic here about the death of the "great man" .
We want moshiach now!!
Yeah , but why follow nuts who have a very very strange interpretation of moshiach .

[Major Robert Dump]

Pat Robertson died??????

[whyidie]

i can see how you see it from a nin jewish point of view and you dont have to agree with my opinions this is what i beileve you dont have to :2thumbsup:

i dont mind:juggle2:

Wait. Please be clear about this. Can I have sex with Jews or not ?

[Devastatin Dave]

Wait. Please be clear about this. Can I have sex with Jews or not ?
Well, since Bill Clinton smothered and covered (Waffle House Joke, damn I'm good!!!) one that was an intern in man gravy, you should be kosher!!! Get it!!! Kosher!!!!! Take my wife please... yuck, yuck, yuck.:laugh4: :wall:

[Xiahou]

I also disagree with the whole concept that "hate" crimes should warrant greater punishment because they are somehow "worse." Is someone murdering their spouse for the insurance money less evil than a Klukker shooting an African American for dating a Causasian? All crimes of violence are "hate" crimes.
Agreed. Setting apart special punishment for "hate" crimes is absurd.

[Reenk Roink]

The plot thickens (or retards?): Could he be a Christian? (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/279493_convert31.html)

More contradictions, as he did personally quote: "I am a Muslim American angry at Israel"... :dizzy2:

[whyidie]

Well, since Bill Clinton smothered and covered (Waffle House Joke, damn I'm good!!!) one that was an intern in man gravy, you should be kosher!!! Get it!!! Kosher!!!!! Take my wife please... yuck, yuck, yuck.:laugh4: :wall:

Remember, you started it...


Not to worry, I'll be......*wait for it*......gentile!

[Devastatin Dave]

Remember, you started it...


Not to worry, I'll be......*wait for it*......gentile!
:laugh4: :2thumbsup:

[Crazed Rabbit]

There saying it's now a 'hate crime', not terrorism. What a load of crap.

Crazed Rabbit

[Leet Eriksson]

There saying it's now a 'hate crime', not terrorism. What a load of crap.

Crazed Rabbit

Thats becuase hes not a member of a terrorist organisation, and also hes a schizo-nutbag.

[monkian]

Thats becuase hes not a member of a terrorist organisation, and also hes a schizo-nutbag.

Ditto.

[Don Corleone]

Well, i would argue that plenty of Christian people of European descent that have been charged with hate crimes were not members of any particular group and were pscyho-nutbags as well.

But two wrongs do not a right make. I agree with you Faisal. The guy is clearly not comptus mentus, and belongs in the looney bin, not prison. Funny thing is, the thread title needs to be changed. He's a Christian, not a Muslim.

[Crazed Rabbit]

He said he was a Muslim when he opened fire. I'll let him decide his religion.

He doesn't seem to be all there, but that doesn't mean this wasn't terrorism. Nor does his lack of affiliation with AQ or other established terror groups.

Crazed Rabbit

[Ser Clegane]

but that doesn't mean this wasn't terrorism.
How do you define terrorism and how would this crime relate to your definition?

[x-dANGEr]

You might want to swing by the Sharia law thread to see how that system treats different genders in regard to sexual crimes.

I'd appriciate it if you shut your mouth up about things you don't know ;)

[Banquo's Ghost]

I'd appriciate it if you shut your mouth up about things you don't know ;)

Your wink smiley may have been intended to make that post a joke, but it read as being very hostile, nonetheless.

Does the advice apply to you too?

[Fragony]

Your wink smiley may have been intended to make that post a joke, but it read as being very hostile, nonetheless.

Does the advice apply to you too?

Awwwwwwwwwww be nice, seems like a friendly joke to me :balloon2:

[danfda]

Remember, you started it...


Not to worry, I'll be......*wait for it*......gentile!

Oh my gods, hilarious. :laugh4: :laugh4:


But there's nothing like organized religion to bring out the best in people. It truly is the bane of human existance...

[Crazed Rabbit]

How do you define terrorism and how would this crime relate to your definition?

The use of tactics to cause terror in a population to effect political change.

This fellow killed a person because he was angry at Israel, and he said he wanted the US to stop supporting Israel and Israel to stop 'pushing around his people'.

One does not need to be in AQ or some other terrorist group to be a terrorist. The idea that you have to be on a member roll somewhere is silly.

Crazed Rabbit

[Pannonian]

The use of tactics to cause terror in a population to effect political change.

This fellow killed a person because he was angry at Israel, and he said he wanted the US to stop supporting Israel and Israel to stop 'pushing around his people'.

One does not need to be in AQ or some other terrorist group to be a terrorist. The idea that you have to be on a member roll somewhere is silly.

Crazed Rabbit
Someone should CC this to the White House. It's the tactics which define terror, not the membership of an organisation. Therefore it's kinda hard to wage a "War on Terror" with a conventional army, which needs a physcial target rather than a conceptional one.

[x-dANGEr]

Your wink smiley may have been intended to make that post a joke, but it read as being very hostile, nonetheless.

Does the advice apply to you too?
Well. My only arguement is that it doesn't deal differently between the 2 genders regarding sexual issues. (That is, sexual violations)

[The Wizard]

Yes, and this act is going to improve the standard of Muslims (and Lebanese to a lesser degree) amongst the worldwide masses -- how? :wall:

[Devastatin Dave]

http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/DennisPrager/2006/08/08/jews_shot_in_seattle,_left_angry_at_mel_gibson
Good article on the lack of coverage about this act of barbarism.
I guess its safer to do stories about celebrities screwing up than doing real news about murdering "religious" types since Mel Gibson will not likely cut off any reporter's head or suicide bomb a news station.

[Reenk Roink]

http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/DennisPrager/2006/08/08/jews_shot_in_seattle,_left_angry_at_mel_gibson
Good article on the lack of coverage about this act of barbarism.
I guess its safer to do stories about celebrities screwing up than doing real news about murdering "religious" types since Mel Gibson will not likely cut off any reporter's head or suicide bomb a news station.

Uh-oh... Way too crazy of a website for me... *erases cookies*

Anyway, I have a better idea, maybe it's because Mel Gibson is a big shot celebrity...? :idea2:

And it's not like this story didn't get it's share of the media spotlight... that is right until they realized that he may be a Christian. I just happened to stumble upon that while going back over the story, but neither Fox News (nor CNN) mentioned anything about Haq's baptism... :shrug:

[x-dANGEr]

Yes, and this act is going to improve the standard of Muslims (and Lebanese to a lesser degree) amongst the worldwide masses -- how? :wall:
Talk about offending..

[Don Corleone]

Talk about offending..

How was that offensive? The guy said he was killing the Jews because the Israelis were making life miserable for muslims in the Middle East. How does shooting a bunch of Jewish Americans change that? I think The Wizard's rhetorical question was entirely appropriate.

Talk about thin-skinned...

[Crazed Rabbit]

Someone should CC this to the White House. It's the tactics which define terror, not the membership of an organisation. Therefore it's kinda hard to wage a "War on Terror" with a conventional army, which needs a physcial target rather than a conceptional one.

Perhaps it should be 'War on Terrorists'. Though I think you could call AQ cell members terrorists even if they haven't yet participated in a terrorist attack.


Well. My only arguement is that it doesn't deal differently between the 2 genders regarding sexual issues. (That is, sexual violations)

:inquisitive:

Crazed Rabbit

[Don Corleone]

Guys, come on. In this case, it would be the 'War on the Mentally Not-quite-there'. By all accounts, this guy had serious mental and emotional issues. You can hardly use him as an example of Muslims in the USA, if for no other reason, it weakens your own argument.

Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of not-so-friendly people to point at, right here in the US. Just read any of the headlines coming out CAIR, or even out of Dearborn Michigan for that matter. You don't need to use this guy, and doing so only makes you look indiscriminate.

[x-dANGEr]

How was that offensive? The guy said he was killing the Jews because the Israelis were making life miserable for muslims in the Middle East. How does shooting a bunch of Jewish Americans change that? I think The Wizard's rhetorical question was entirely appropriate.

Talk about thin-skinned...
He clearly stated: "All muslims are shit, what would that make to make them better."

Talk about blurring..

[Ser Clegane]

He clearly stated: "All muslims are shit, what would that make to make them better."
He very clearly did not make this statement.
Stop putting offensive statements in other people's mouth :stare:

[Devastatin Dave]

He clearly stated: "All muslims are shit, what would that make to make them better."

Talk about blurring..
Wow, looks like the AP/Rueters trained you how to post.:laugh4:

[x-dANGEr]

You might want to scrape the word clearly, as he clearly didn't clearly say that.. (Talk about repeating)


I just re-read his post, and he seem to was replying to the main topic of the thread, or someone else, not me.. Apology Wizard.

[Don Corleone]

Never mind.

[Ser Clegane]

Just for the record - given the posting times of the last two posts, I assume that Don's post was made before he could see x-dANGEr's last post.

The discussion about how to interpret The Wizard's statement should be over now and the discussion on the actual topic should resume