Iranian Hero....Hugo Chavez?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Great minds think alike.....and fools seldom differ.

Links:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,206266,00.html

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/07/28/chavez.iran.reut/index.html

:inquisitive: :laugh4: :laugh4:

[Vladimir]

That's like having the devil rise from hell to tell the world what a great guy you are. Although, I'm sure praise from the Lord of Darkness will will get you more chicks. :2thumbsup:

[cegorach]

Nothing suprising - I think Kim Dzong Il will join the celebrations (or similar one) next time if not sooner - unless someone will finally kill him or remove this moron in a different way.

Chavez was welcomed so warmly in Belorus ( and in Russia) - other places with 'special' attitude towards USA.:book:

[Vladimir]

Ahh, Belarus. Where they still call their intelligence service the KGB. Makes me all nostalgic *sniff*. You know, this all reminds me of the party Peter Griffin had at his house when he became Tinhorn Dictator of Petoria.

[Don Corleone]

Ahmadenijad should be ashamed of himself. Chavez is a filthy khafir, just like the rest of us. He should be treated with scorn, or perhaps pity, but certainly not praise. Filthy infidel.

[Geoffrey S]

Yeah, that's got me puzzled too. What place is there in a islamist-run country for an atheist?

Any Iranians here know how this is being published in Iran?

[L'Impresario]

Chávez is no atheist. He's catholic, and pretty religious too. But also anti-establishment to the core heh

Well, everybody needs a friend, investments and petroleum in this cruel world.

[Shaun]

But still, in a Muslim run country, there is only a place of power for Muslims.

[Tribesman]

But still, in a Muslim run country, there is only a place of power for Muslims.
Well you had better explain that to the Jewish and Christian politicians in Iran , maybe they just don't understand .:dizzy2:

But my my hasn't Hugo been busy this week , medical deals , truck deals , tractor deals , agricultural deals , media deals , arms deals , and of course lots and lots of oil deals .
Chavez was welcomed so warmly in Belorus ( and in Russia) - other places with 'special' attitude towards USA
Thats funny , I thought Qatar had a really "special" attitude towards the US and Vietnam was developing one ?

[Shaun]

Well you had better explain that to the Jewish and Christian politicians in Iran , maybe they just don't understand .:dizzy2:

please provide evidence of these Christian and jewish politicians in Iran.

[Tribesman]

please provide evidence of these Christian and jewish politicians in Iran.
Hey its not my fault if you don't know the Iranian constitution and its guaratantees for minority representation .
So which evidence would you like , the Jewish , the Armenian orthodox , the Catholic or perhaps even the Zorostian members ?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

please provide evidence of these Christian and jewish politicians in Iran.

You must be fairly new to the Backroom. Tribe' doesn't provide links to evidence, he merely ridicules your position and moves on to the next witticism.

[Shaun]

You must be fairly new to the Backroom. Tribe' doesn't provide links to evidence, he merely ridicules your position and moves on to the next witticism.

Yes, I am pretty new to the backroom. And judging by Tribes response, you are completey right.

So then Tribe, please can I see this evidence? I would like all the evidence btw.

[Tribesman]

Come on Seamus . He could always try somewhere like wiki for information if he doesn't want the bother of Iranian government websites (they are damn slow BTW)

[Shaun]

Come on Seamus . He could always try somewhere like wiki for information if he doesn't want the bother of Iranian government websites (they are damn slow BTW)

You are trying to tell me that there are many Non muslims in power in Iran, so therefore you have to privide the evidence.

please, stop with teh delay tactics and post the evidence.

[Redleg]

Tribesman is playing with you - one of the things he is referencing is indeed available at Wikipedia


Most Iranians are Muslims; 90% belong to the Shi'a branch of Islam the official state religion, and about 9% belong to the Sunni branch (many of them are Kurds). The remainder are non-Muslim religious minorities, mainly Bahá'ís, Mandeans, Zoroastrians, Jews and Christians. [14] The latter three minority religions are officially recognized and protected, and have reserved seats in the Majles (Parliament). In contrast, the Bahá'í Faith, the largest religious minority in Iran, is not officially recognized, and has been persecuted during its existence in Iran. Since the 1979 revolution the persecution has increased with executions and the denial of access to higher education. More recent persecution towards Bahá'ís has led to the United Nations Special Rapporteur of the United Nations Commission on Human Rights stating on March 20, 2006 that "this latest development indicates that the situation with regard to religious minorities in Iran is, in fact, deteriorating." [22]

IN this link you will find a nice table on how the Majles is broken down in representives and their state orientation..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majles

Now how much influence the minorities have in the government of Iran can be determined by reviewing the actions of the minority representives and that of the Iran government.

[Tribesman]

You are trying to tell me that there are many Non muslims in power in Iran, so therefore you have to privide the evidence.

Nope I am telling you that you know bugger all about the Iranian constitution and the guarantees of political representation for religeous minorities (though not for Sunni , Bhuddist , Baith'i , Hindu , Protestant or FSMism ) .
And no I don't have to provide any evidence at all , you can either accept that there are Jewish and Christian politicians in the Iranian government or you don't accept it .
If you don't accept it then perhaps you can think about what you actually know that has lead you to that conclusion , if you conclude that you have reached your position by not actually knowing anything about it then it might be an idea to learn something .

edit to add....damn you redleg .

[Shaun]

You are trying to tell me that there are many Non muslims in power in Iran, so therefore you have to privide the evidence.

Nope I am telling you that you know bugger all about the Iranian constitution and the guarantees of political representation for religeous minorities (though not for Sunni , Bhuddist , Baith'i , Hindu , Protestant or FSMism ) .
And no I don't have to provide any evidence at all , you can either accept that there are Jewish and Christian politicians in the Iranian government or you don't accept it .
If you don't accept it then perhaps you can think about what you actually know that has lead you to that conclusion , if you conclude that you have reached your position by not actually knowing anything about it then it might be an idea to learn something .


Your failure to post any evidence suggests that you are either

a)Wrong and you know it
b)A very poor debater
c)A moron


Now perhaps you should stop going round in circles and avoiding the question please.

[Tribesman]

Your failure to post any evidence suggests that you are either

a)Wrong and you know it
b)A very poor debater
c)A moron

:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Someone ruins my fun by posting a link that has much of the basic information you clearly lack , you don't bother to read it , and still insist that your position which is based on a clear absence of knowledge must be right .
Priceless:2thumbsup:

[Shaun]

:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Someone ruins my fun by posting a link that has much of the basic information you clearly lack , you don't bother to read it , and still insist that your position which is based on a clear absence of knowledge must be right .
Priceless:2thumbsup:

Perhaps you should read my posts. When did I say that I was still right? No where. I only pointed out that your failure to post evidence to support your claims means that you are a very poor debater.

I think that I will put the saying "dont argue with an idiot, he will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience", into action and leave this thread.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Nope I am telling you that you know bugger all about the Iranian constitution and the guarantees of political representation for religeous minorities (though not for Sunni , Bhuddist , Baith'i , Hindu , Protestant or FSMism ).
...
Someone ruins my fun by posting a link that has much of the basic information you clearly lack , you don't bother to read it , and still insist that your position which is based on a clear absence of knowledge must be right .

You have provided nothing to contradict his claim, and neither has Redleg:


But still, in a Muslim run country, there is only a place of power for Muslims.

Please don't tell me you're daft enough to think a handful of seats in a legislature that is a rubber stamp for the Ayatollahs is a 'place of power'.



I think that I will put the saying "dont argue with an idiot, he will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience", into action and leave this thread.

Probably for the best. Nothing is to be gained from arguing with tribesy-even when you finally beat his silliness to dust, it leaves a bad feeling in your gut, like out-debating a kid who's never got past the sixth grade.

And now, to the topic! I think it's funny how Chavez is going around forming a dicatator's club, with all the members spouting off about how they are defending justice or some nonsense. But Chavez could dine with satan and complement his treatment of people and the lefties would still swoon over him.

Crazed Rabbit

[Tribesman]

You have provided nothing to contradict his claim,
Does he still maintain his claim...nope .

[discovery1]

I was angred when I read of him meeting with that Lushanko, who I understand is a Stalinist. Course, we are not better although doesn't he claim to be better then us?

Then of course there is the stop in North Korea.....

[Vladimir]

Too bad the ignore user option doesn't block quotes from them as well. :shrug:

[Crazed Rabbit]

You have provided nothing to contradict his claim,
Does he still maintain his claim...nope .

There, there, if it makes you feel any better...

Crazed Rabbit

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Come on Seamus . He could always try somewhere like wiki for information if he doesn't want the bother of Iranian government websites (they are damn slow BTW)

Granted, Tribesy old bean, and scanning about for bits of knowledge should be encouraged.

However...

Shaun is quite reasonable in calling on you to reference evidence or provide a quick indication of where he may view support for your counter claim (sending him to Wiki as you did above would've sufficed, as Redleg showed). Since you are attacking his original claim, the burden of proof would normally fall on him to support his assertion of muslim exclusivity. However, he called into question the accuracy of your counter-claim, and made a reasonable request for proof. Once that proof confirmed your point, you won the argument -- but it would have been more courteous of you to provide that proof.

In general, I find badinage with you o'er a subject to be both enjoyable and frustrating. Enjoyable because you are glib and often witty, but frustrating in that you all too often poke holes in someone else's argument without providing a position of your own. This means, of course, that the person discussing things with you is constantly on the defensive without any means of counter-attack, while you can skewer any claim they make without fear of reprisal.

[Tribesman]

Well Seamus , the irony is that the guaranteed posts are entirely disproportionate to the number of citizens they represent .
If the minority groups had over 30X their actual current population it would be a fairer system for representation .