View Full Version : New 3d Unit: Knights Templar
Ituralde
08-04-2006, 13:26
Just to let y'all know!
I think it looks a little bit strange, can't point my finger on it though, and I'm no historical/what-not expert either. So enjoy! :)
Midnight
08-04-2006, 13:46
I also don't know how accurate it is, but he looks as if he's wearing a dressing gown.
I like it:
"Give me a war!"
"That is what I do".
I think it looks a little bit strange, can't point my finger on it though, and I'm no historical/what-not expert either.
I don't know about "wrong", but he does look a little cartoony.
Lord Adherbal
08-04-2006, 15:50
at first I thought "why a blue horse?" but I recall hearing the crusader orders didn't actualy put their symbols on the horse "clothes" so this might actualy be historically accurate.
You know I've never seen an interpretation of a 12th century knight where the cloth surcoat had long sleeves. But I haven't seen everything. So colour me happy.
I also don't know how accurate it is, but he looks as if he's wearing a dressing gown.
12th century knights wore long surcoats over their mail hauberks.
Pretty accurate if you ask me.
screwtype
08-04-2006, 16:54
There's also a new unit called a Strzelcy or sumthin'. At least, I haven't seen it before.
You know I've never seen an interpretation of a 12th century knight where the cloth surcoat had long sleeves.
Me too. But if the surcoats were partly used to protect the metal armour from overheating under the desert sun, I can see that it would make sense for them to have long sleeves (knights arms would also have metal armour).
Little Legioner
08-04-2006, 17:08
Excellent job CA! :2thumbsup: Templar look like Angus McBride's Osprey art pieces. Well done. I hate bright colors of BI stylish fashion. Just don't give us pink pajamas CA :laugh4:
I only hope that this unit will have lance in game, otherwise it will be just like MTW's Templars where didn't had lance.
Midnight
08-04-2006, 17:57
Yeah, I know about surcoats... it just looks *fluffy* to me.
I only hope that this unit will have lance in game, otherwise it will be just like MTW's Templars where didn't had lance.
Um, I fear that since it is depicted without, it will come without again. Another job for the modders, I am afraid (upping the Templars charge was the one bit of modding I always did in MTW).
Randarkmaan
08-04-2006, 20:58
Concerning their uniform; What CA has depicted here is actually more historically accurate than most of you think, because up until the 13th century the Templars (and the Hospitallers) wore robes (monastic robes or monk robes if you will) and not surcoats. What they've gotten wrong is that their shield was actually black and white and that the red cross was smaller and placed on the left side of the chest (close to the heart).
Surcoats weren't actually used by most regular knights until the late 12th century if I'm not mistaken.
Leet Eriksson
08-04-2006, 22:38
I thought the Hospitaller had the black and white robes. and the Templars are red and white.
Templar Knight
08-04-2006, 23:21
Yea, The Templars wore red and white while the Hospitallers wore black and white
http://www.rekts.freeservers.com/knights_templar___hospitaller.jpg
Randarkmaan
08-04-2006, 23:26
I thought the Hospitaller had the black and white robes. and the Templars are red and white.
Yeah the Templars wore white robes (symbolizing purity) with red crosses (symbolizing martyrdom, at first their uniforms did not have red crosses, this was granted to them by some pope), but their SHIELDS were partially black and partially white... Not with a cross or anything just the upper half of the shield black and the lower half white, just like their banner, except that had a black cross in the white area.
Templar Knight
08-04-2006, 23:34
Pope Eugene III gave the red cross to them in 1148.
Furious Mental
08-05-2006, 05:38
You'd expect them to wear a long robe over all that mail, since they were in the Levant.
Tiberius maximus
08-05-2006, 06:57
well i think it could be made to look more intimidating, in that the knight himself looks really small compared to the other units we've seen.
oh ya i dont really like the blue horse, i dont know how historically correct it would be but i think a white coat on the horse too would look better, :2thumbsup:
Furious Mental
08-05-2006, 12:53
Anyway it's a nice looking unit, but I'm tired of all these Western European knights. Let's see some Mongols!!!
The Wizard
08-07-2006, 19:04
It seems to me that the horse and rider just don't match.
It's blue because he's French. The Templars were primarily French. You can see the white French flower - fluer de lise or something.
It's blue because he's French. The Templars were primarily French. You can see the white French flower - fluer de lise or something.
Yes, I was wondering that - how they are going to identify units as belonging to one faction or another? In MTW, both the English and the French had Templars - perhaps the English will have red-coated horses? (or even white, which would look better).
Has anyone noticed a distinct lack of Armour on all of the Horses pictures from the MTW2 official pictures. Horses only seem to be draped in cloth. I have only seen the Kataphractoi as fully armoured. Or was that the way then? Or will these units have new renderings as time progresses to illustrate new armour/weapons upgrades?
The Wizard
08-08-2006, 18:36
It's blue because he's French. The Templars were primarily French. You can see the white French flower - fluer de lise or something.
And why would that be any reason to give the man a blue trapper for his horse? The Templar Knights was a chivalric order -- it was destroyed by the French king for God's sake (pun intended)!
Historically Templars preferred white horse trappers, as far as I know. Not only would it be historically correct -- it would damn well sure be far more fashionable as well!
Geoffrey S
08-08-2006, 18:55
Don't know much about the historical accuracy and whatnot, but the quality of the skin looks below par. Far too little detail.
Hello new here would the units also include those pike blocks and musket combined unitas that they used at time or will they be all sepaert units
talk about my own bad spelling
Peasant Phill
08-11-2006, 07:50
those will probably be seperate units
Kourutsu
08-13-2006, 22:15
Yea, The Templars wore red and white while the Hospitallers wore black and white
http://www.rekts.freeservers.com/knights_templar___hospitaller.jpg
Ooh. They really hate each other.
The Spartan (Returns)
08-13-2006, 22:45
i hate the skins. templars=red+white hospitallers=black+white. look at Stronghold: Crusader knights.
i was flamed on TWC just because i hated the skins. crazy people.
however somewhere in the 1200's, i think they started to wear there own coat of arms?
Kongsbak
08-13-2006, 23:29
It look's rather correct from a historical point of view, however the i believe it was common for the Templars to also dress their mounts in white, and being an independent faction, showing the colors of nation is somewhat.. wrong i guess....
poo_for_brains
08-14-2006, 12:42
But in the game they aren't independent. When each faction launches a crusade, or gets a chapter house they get templars. They might come up against another faction with templars and so the horse's barding is just an easy way to make each faction's shared units distinguishable.
Tiberius maximus
08-19-2006, 05:28
i really hope they intend on having foot knights too and order crossbowmen cause i like infantry and i want to see more than just templars on horses!
and that goes to the other orders too!
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