View Full Version : Oh Noes Music=Sex
Strike For The South
08-07-2006, 19:51
http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/parenting/08/07/sexlyrics.teens.ap/index.html
Didnt they say the same thing about Elvis abd teh Beattles and hair metal in the 90s? Dont there realize music dosent corrupt the youth.
Reenk Roink
08-07-2006, 19:54
Hair metal was in the mid-late 80s...
What is wrong with you Texans? Stay up to date on popular stuff, not just country...
:cowboy: :rifle:
Ironside
08-07-2006, 19:56
http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/parenting/08/07/sexlyrics.teens.ap/index.html
Didnt they say the same thing about Elvis abd teh Beattles and hair metal in the 90s? Dont there realize music dosent corrupt the youth.
Dude it's not the music. It's the cartoons that corrupt them!!! :laugh4:
Ser Clegane
08-07-2006, 19:57
Of course one could also interpret the data in a way that the same teenagers who are more likely to have sex earlier are more likely to listen to "raunchy" music.
I do not see anything in the article that would prove a causality.
Strike For The South
08-07-2006, 19:59
Maybe but you could also point to the fact that parents who let there kids listen to the ruanchy music are more open to sex. I just find it funny how every genration has this happen.
To be honest, who cares? Let them listen to the music if they wish.
At the mall people shopping at Ambercrombie were more likely to be wealthy, therefore shopping at Ambercrombie makes you wealthy. You just can't beat logic
Original post is completely incorrect.
Of course having obscene lyrics that glorify fornication "be the norm" in every song a kid listens to is going to coerce the kids to have sex.
That is also true of movies, television, advertisements etc. as well, however that does not mean that "music" is off the hook.
Such rampant sexual obscenity in music is definitely a large contributor to society of today being a filthy cesspool.
Strike For The South
08-07-2006, 21:46
Original post is completely incorrect.
Of course having obscene lyrics that glorify fornication "be the norm" in every song a kid listens to is going to coerce the kids to have sex.
That is also true of movies, television, advertisements etc. as well, however that does not mean that "music" is off the hook.
Such rampant sexual obscenity in music is definitely a large contributor to society of today being a filthy cesspool.
oh now it all makes complete sense see becuase before I wasnt sure
Crazed Rabbit
08-08-2006, 00:32
correlation!=causation:wall:
Dangnabit.
Crazed Rabbit
Original post is completely incorrect.
Of course having obscene lyrics that glorify fornication "be the norm" in every song a kid listens to is going to coerce the kids to have sex.
That is also true of movies, television, advertisements etc. as well, however that does not mean that "music" is off the hook.
Such rampant sexual obscenity in music is definitely a large contributor to society of today being a filthy cesspool.
:laugh4:, you continue to crack me up. Thank goodness people like you are not in charge.
Original post is completely incorrect.
Of course having obscene lyrics that glorify fornication "be the norm" in every song a kid listens to is going to coerce the kids to have sex.
That is also true of movies, television, advertisements etc. as well, however that does not mean that "music" is off the hook.
Such rampant sexual obscenity in music is definitely a large contributor to society of today being a filthy cesspool.
amen brother...amen....
I am a firm believer that modern music leads to fornication......
the reason why I´m not getting any must be I´m not listening to this enough!!!!
*starts blasting Method´s of Mayhem - "get naked"*
come on....work!!!! WORK!!!!
Big King Sanctaphrax
08-08-2006, 01:31
They've also shown that people who smoke have more sex, but that doesn't mean that when I'm out on the pull I cane my way through five packets of Marlboro Lights with an optimistic glint in my eye.
The Spartan (Returns)
08-08-2006, 02:01
ive heard this on the news today. showing "sexy" music videos. man, it was better than the babe thread!
:laugh4:, you continue to crack me up. Thank goodness people like you are not in charge.
Ummm well......:juggle2:
'm glad I'm in a band.
Are you the drummer? They get all the good tail.
Alexanderofmacedon
08-08-2006, 04:15
Personally I think it's the loneweb.com advertisements on that article that corrupt them...
Papewaio
08-08-2006, 07:30
I thought the west was going through a population decline?
Surely the right thing would be to encourage people to copulate to populate...
^ that's catchy, maybe you should make a bumper sticker
I thought the west was going through a population decline?
Surely the right thing would be to encourage people to copulate to populate...
see that´s the problem.....
most people that have a problem with these things are right-wing christian fundamentalists that think that sexual toughts are a bad thing.....
but at the same time the bible says we should be "fruitfull and multiply"....
now that´s a narrow tight rope these people have to walk each and everyday :juggle2:
Quoting Bill Hicks:
"How do we be fruitful and multiply and not think about it?"
"We could sing hymns during it." (sings) "One stroke at a time, sweet Jesus. One stroke at a time, sweet Lord."
:laugh4:
I listen to music with the most dirty lirics for years. So why is it not working!!!! ~:furious3:
Banquo's Ghost
08-08-2006, 11:24
see that´s the problem.....
most people that have a problem with these things are right-wing christian fundamentalists that think that sexual toughts are a bad thing.....
but at the same time the bible says we should be "fruitfull and multiply"....
now that´s a narrow tight rope these people have to walk each and everyday :juggle2:
More sage advice from Vice-Pope Eric (http://www.heretical.com/miscella/mppanel.html):
PYTHON: Vice-Pope Eric? What is the Catholic position?
VICE-POPE: Well I've never personally, er... so I wouldn't...
PYTHON: No, no, on sex and marriage.
VICE-POPE: Oh. Well our main worry at this stage is intra-marital sex.
PYTHON: Oh. Sex within the marriage.
KRASZT: I missed that.
VICE-POPE: Oh yes! You see, it's within marriage, people tend to forget, that most of this carnal knowing takes place.
PYTHON: But that isn't wrong from a Catholic point of view?
VICE-POPE: Well, actually... it is. Yes. I mean we don't often come straight out with it because our problem is that... like it or not, sex, at this moment in time, is still the best method we've got of reproducing ourselves. I mean we certainly recommend virgin births where possible, but we can't rely on them, so for purely practical reasons we've been forced to turn a blind eye to intra-marital sex for the time being. But only of course for outnumbering purposes; not for fun.
KRASZT: Which is why you will not allow any form of contraception.
VICE-POPE: Exactly.
FRAMPTON: But you allow the rhythm method!
VICE-POPE: Ah, but only because it doesn't work.
PYTHON: But are you not worried that the population explosion may lead to greater poverty, disease and eventually war?
VICE-POPE: Well you must remember, our concern is for the next world. So the quicker we can get people there the better.
:2thumbsup:
English assassin
08-08-2006, 11:40
sexually degrading music
Classic. Reminds me of Woody Allen's answer to the qu, "is sex dirty?" ("Only if you are doing it right")
Anyway, I listened to The Trooper last night, and now I'm stuck on a bloody horse in the Crimea somewhere. Don't like the look of those Russian cannons much I must say. Damn these reckless musicians
I thought the west was going through a population decline?
Surely the right thing would be to encourage people to copulate to populate...
The problem is this music is not targeted at age ranges of people who should be populating the planet, but rather it's targeted at very young girls who are too young to realize the destruction it will bring them. That music leading them onto a life of sluttyness, venereal diseases, infidelity and pregnancies at too young an age.
When the "number 1" song in the nation/continent amongst the under 16 demographic is a song about being a total slut entitled "Promiscuous", then surely that is a sign of a filthy society which is ruining it's youth.
Banquo's Ghost
08-08-2006, 13:38
The problem is this music is not targeted at age ranges of people who should be populating the planet, but rather it's targeted at very young girls who are too young to realize the destruction it will bring them. That music leading them onto a life of sluttyness, venereal diseases, infidelity and pregnancies at too young an age.
When the "number 1" song in the nation/continent amongst the under 16 demographic is a song about being a total slut entitled "Promiscuous", then surely that is a sign of a filthy society which is ruining it's youth.
Whilst I shrink from Navaros' rather extreme conclusion, I do tend to agree with his premise.
I have always found it odd that as a society, we are extraordinarily judgmental about paedophilia and child/teenage sexuality, yet the music industry seems to get away with peddling soft-porn and lyrics that positively encourage young people into seeing sexual experimentation as not just 'cool' but practically compulsory. We seem not to mind that, but take a camera to film your daughter's nativity play and the lynch mob cometh.
In addition, there seems to be a glorification of drug culture and violence, alongside the degradation of women in some types of music that outside the recording studio, would attract the wrath of many. But it's music, so what the hey.
(But I should qualify my comments with the addendum that they come from a man who likes Abba, so you may treat my views with the derision only the young can apply to an oldie trying to comment on their 'music'). :tongue:
The problem is this music is not targeted at age ranges of people who should be populating the planet, but rather it's targeted at very young girls who are too young to realize the destruction it will bring them. That music leading them onto a life of sluttyness, venereal diseases, infidelity and pregnancies at too young an age.
When the "number 1" song in the nation/continent amongst the under 16 demographic is a song about being a total slut entitled "Promiscuous", then surely that is a sign of a filthy society which is ruining it's youth.
I object on the basis that something produced by someone like Nelly Furtado, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera...etc...isn´t music at all to begin with! :laugh4:
I therefore ask this evidence to be rejected by the court! :book:
I object on the basis that something produced by someone like Nelly Furtado, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera...etc...isn´t music at all to begin with! :laugh4:
I therefore ask this evidence to be rejected by the court! :book:
I totally agree with that, actually I've made a thread about the very same subject on this very same board. Since I can't find a way to search the Backroom forum, I don't know how to dig it up. Like all my posts, it was a very good one. :2thumbsup:
I use "music" in this thread simply for ease of understanding, not because we are actually discussing music in these cases.
English assassin
08-08-2006, 14:20
The musical "quality" of Britney Spears is probably that rare topic the whole backroom can agree on. But would BG be right to object to her schoolgirl video?
When I were a lad, there was a whole spate of slasher horror movies (you know, Friday 13th and all that, they seemed more mainstream then. I guess we didn't have video games.) Me and my mates liked them (not to an unhealthy degree, you understand, but certainly far more than I would now). We never murdered anyone, or even became more violent, as a result.
Looking back on it, couldn't that simply have been a teenage way of exploring how we felt about violence and fear in a safe way, and might not all these "sexy" songs be much the same?
I'm far from complacent about the issue, not least because I now have a 2 year old daughter and yes I would quite like her not to be dressing like a tart when she is 11, but I'm really not sure that one minute girls are singing along to Misteeq in their bedrooms and the next they are turning tricks up against a nightclub wall for £50 a throw.
And forgive me for a cheap shot but could someone whose google skillz are madder than mind perhaps link to the correlations between teenage pregnancy, STDs, and abstinence only christian sex education in the states? IIRC it turns out its not hip hop that causes teenage pregnancy, its not teaching kids about contraception. Well well well, whoda thunk it, etc etc.
Ummm well......:juggle2:
Are you the drummer? They get all the good tail.
Nah, vocals. I'm sure I'll do well.
When the "number 1" song in the nation/continent amongst the under 16 demographic is a song about being a total slut entitled "Promiscuous", then surely that is a sign of a filthy society which is ruining it's youth.
Oh, you´re talking about one of my new favourite songs.:2thumbsup:
An interesting thing to not is that at the turn of the 20th centuary in the 1900s Ragtime was considered dirty and sexual music by the older generation yet was very popular with the younger generation. At that time Jazz was a word for sex. When the Jazz and Big Band Swing era came along in the 20's and 30's the same thing happened.
The youth were dancing the jitterbug and all other kinds of provocative dancing (though it is extremely tame compared with today). During the Jazz period Rock 'n' Roll was a slang term for sex. Then came the Rock 'n' Roll era and the same thing happened again. The Swing dancers looked down on the younger generations music.
I think it is quite funny that your parents and grandparents listened to and danced to the "dirty" music of the day. There was the drug scene with all of them too, Cab Calloway, Louis Armstrong, Fats Waller, Miles Davis etc. all had some drug they were into.
So was music really that much cleaner back then? No.
Was there ever a time where 'death metal' meant 'sex'?
Not quite, though here are the most dodgey of 1920s and 30s terminology (much of which was used and invented by Louis Armstrong):
(Some Marihuana Slang: Weed and stash are more modern expressions.)
gage Marihuana
golden-leaf The best marihuana
grefa Marihuana
gunja Marihuana
hard-cutting mez The best marihuana
Hop Opium
Ex: I knew that cat was a real 'hop head'.
Jazz A very little understood term.
Originally, Black man's slang for sexual
intercourse. Then, expressing the
"Jazzing" (improvisation) of any music.
Strictly applied to the "Dixieland"
music of, first, "New Orleans", and
then "Chicago".
Now applied to almost any contemporary
"Popular" music.
Jitterbug A 1940s description of "jittery", Swing
dancers.
Ex: Watch those "Jitterbugs" doing a mean
Lindy Hop.
Jittersauce Alcohol (drinking -not rubbing- variety)
Junk Heroin (or any other debilitating drug).
(Also see: "Muggles")
Ex: He's looking for some "Junk".
Ex: Here comes the "Junkman" (drug peddler).
Kicking the Gong Using drugs (usually opium).
Ex: Cab Calloway's hit - "Minnie the
Moocher" lyric.
"There was Minnie, - "kickin' the gong around."
Kill Sheer delight.
Ex: You "kill" me, man.
(Also, You "Slay" me man.)
Killer 'Red Hot' musician, dancer, or music fan.
Ex: Man, Dig "Killer" Joe's dancing.
Ex: He's a 'Killer'.
King Kong Cheap Moonshine (whiskey)
Ex: Slip me 3 fingers of that 'King Kong'.
Light Up Smoke marihuana
Ex: Here's something you can 'light up' on.
Mellow Feeling from Smoking Marihuana
Ex: He 'light up' and got real 'mellow'.
Mezz The Best (Marijuana)
Ex: His stash was 'the mezz'.
Mezzroll Fat Sticks of handrolled Marihuana
Ex: He passed the 'mezzroll' to the cat.
Muggles Marijuana cigarettes.
(Armstrong has a song entitled "Muggles".)
Ex: Man, my nerves are shattered; got any
"muggles?"
Ofay A White Person (a Black man's terminolgy)
(from pig latin for "foe")
Reefer Marihuana cigarette
Ex: That cat brought the 'Reefers' with him.
Rock and Roll Describes the old 1950's music, but
originally slang for sex.
Ex: Baby, stop jivin' me, -let's "rock and
roll."
Viper Marihuana smoker
Ex: That cat was a real 'Viper'.
So when your parents and grandparents denounce your taste in music just point to what they had for popular music. I am not an advocate of drug addiction or anything I just think it is ironic that it was just as bad 100 years ago.
How do you make spoilers by the way, I can't seem to figure it out?
EDIT: I put it in spoilers now :2thumbsup:
Sasaki Kojiro
08-15-2006, 07:34
this is how
Just remove the star.
Ok thanks Sasaki Kojiro
Hey it works!:laugh4:
Ja'chyra
08-15-2006, 12:50
Well, I suppose you could look at it like that or you could take responsibility for the upbringing of your children.
But I think it's well past time we had a when did you pop your cherry poll, might do that after lunch.
Peasant Phill
08-15-2006, 13:25
First of all it's not music that causes teenagers to have sex, it's our society. Most of us live in a society where sex and talking about sex is no longer a taboo. Sex is by most no longer considered dirty or sinful. As a result of that music, movies, games, arts, daily conversation, ... involve sex. Sex is al around teenagers and as a result they are interested in it and want to try it out. The earlier they come in contact with it AND understand it, the earlier those children/teenagers will try it for themselves. You won't be able keep your children from 'experimenting' by forbidding them from listening to music, sex is every where.
off topic:
watch the virgin suicides, a great example and a great film
And forgive me for a cheap shot but could someone whose google skillz are madder than mind perhaps link to the correlations between teenage pregnancy, STDs, and abstinence only christian sex education in the states? IIRC it turns out its not hip hop that causes teenage pregnancy, its not teaching kids about contraception. Well well well, whoda thunk it, etc etc.
I totally agree with EA.Unless we want to change our society (not going to happen) our only option to spare out children from pregnancy, STD's and traumas is sex education.Teaching them about sex is giving them the knowledge to do the right thing. Teenagers will stil experiment even without that knowledge and will do far worse because of that lack.
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