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Cousin Zoidfarb
08-08-2006, 15:30
units i'd like to see:
timurid war elephants _used by timur-i-lenk at ankara in 1400's.
lithuanian cavalry _javelin-armed, pavise carrying light cavalry.
serbian knights _these were distinguished in several battles and had unique gorget armour
polish town milita_ 1st rank spears rest crossbows
naffatun _nafta on a lance cavalry.
war wagons _these used by russians as early as the battle of khalka, and famously by the hussites
poo_for_brains
08-08-2006, 15:45
what's a war wagon?
what's a war wagon?
Erm... A wagon... used in wars? :laugh4:
Darth Nihilus
08-08-2006, 15:55
Lol, I rember those things in Aoc. That would be a cool idea though, the more units the better (as long as they are portrayed somewhat historically).
poo_for_brains
08-08-2006, 18:09
Erm... A wagon... used in wars? :laugh4:
HA!HA!HA!
You really are hilarious.
I was just wondering what was so special about them that they wuld be in his top 5, and how they were so famously used by the Hussites.
HA!HA!HA!
You really are hilarious.
I am a comic genious and here all week.
I was just wondering what was so special about them that they wuld be in his top 5, and how they were so famously used by the Hussites.
And of course you said that in your first post.
4th Dimension
08-08-2006, 19:31
I think it looked something like a fully closed wagon with only openings through which to fire guns and through which driver to see where he's driving. Of course they were pulled by horses.
SpencerH
08-08-2006, 20:13
A Dragon.
Kralizec
08-08-2006, 20:32
The thread title could mean:
A) what units I would like to see in the next unit previews
B) what units I hope to see implemented in the game, that might very well be left out
I assume the answer is B...
Vlastlela cavalry (Serbian "knights")
Norman knights
Almughavars
Flemish militiamen, preferably in both pike and goedendag flavour
Huskarles (not the odd looking axemen CA decided to name "huscarls")
Italian knights (Italian cities didn't have "Gothic" knights, they used "Milan" style armour")
One that I have mixed feelings about is the Hashisin unit from MTW. They should have just been assasins, but in the game they essentially were battlefield ninjas. If they're in they should be named "Fedayhin" or something similar.
Faenaris
08-09-2006, 10:05
Like Kralizec said, Flemish militiamen or Flemish mercenaries. And Swabian Swordsman, but I think those are already in-game. At least, they were in-game in VI.
Ghost Pirates. No, wait... Pirate Ghosts ! :help:
Like Kralizec said, Flemish militiamen or Flemish mercenaries. And Swabian Swordsman, but I think those are already in-game. At least, they were in-game in VI.
aye to that! ;)
Little Legioner
08-09-2006, 16:54
Serbian Knights! i'd like to see them in MTW 2. They fought in Ottoman Army against Timurids at Ankara (1402) Crusaders at Nicopolis (1396). If CA add the knights to game i'll give them honor of the first charge upon my enemy!
And off course famous Flemish mercenaries and militiaman, Timurid war elephants, Swiss polearm infantry...
Lord Adherbal
08-09-2006, 17:34
hussite war wagons:
http://www.allempires.com/articles/hussite/wagon_c.jpg
basicly mobile fortifications
The Stranger
08-10-2006, 16:49
yeah they were in AoE3 i hated those nasty [edit:] chaps. big attack and big hitpoints... and mass spawning by NOOB AI... nasty combination,
I'd like to see jannisaries but not one unit but an entire corps, that means the riflemen, the cannoneers and the heavy infantry.
also i want to see Vikings but i guess theyre outdated... that leaves only one unit CONQUISTADORES... yeah its a name for lots of people... and no unit but it would be cool
Furious Mental
08-10-2006, 19:16
I'm curious as to what sort of unit a "conquistador" would be. On the subject of conquistadors, I'd like to see Mesoamerican rebels fighting in the European style, as indeed they did relatively quickly.
This is more of what if, how do yall think the Romans would do in this time period say 1250-1350 . Use the Legion at there height say 1oo AD
Warluster
08-12-2006, 07:49
Bad! because they would have bad armour!Bad weapons,and badder enemies!
Furious Mental
08-12-2006, 07:50
No it is not a "what if". It is 100% historically accurate. I'll even give you a quote straight from a Spanish Governor-General c. 1560: "The Indians have been allowed to have horses, mares and arquebuses and many of them know how to ride and shoot an arquebus very well" Lope Garica de Castro
poo_for_brains
08-12-2006, 09:56
He was talking about the whole Romans arriving in Medieval times thing as a what if.
As for your idea, it would be kinda strange to add to the tech tree - a sudden jump from clubs etc.
Mabye mercenaries?
In one screen shot is shows 5 to 6 Hvy cavalry units in plate armour. there is a fortress on top of the hill with only a single casueway coming down the hill
Tiberius maximus
08-19-2006, 05:35
me i want lots of crusader units like crossbows, foot knights, mounted sergeants, spearmen, all in a specific order
or they could just have a units uniform changed to a orders uniform when it joins a crusade. just a thought:knight:
yeah that would be cool if they get crusader uniforms when fighting for the PoPE.
just like todays UN troops...
btw did Mr Annan send a crusade to libanon recently or is it just me?
Kralizec
08-19-2006, 11:21
I'm curious as to what sort of unit a "conquistador" would be. On the subject of conquistadors, I'd like to see Mesoamerican rebels fighting in the European style, as indeed they did relatively quickly.
Well, I suppose they could manufacture pikes on their own, but arquebusques and metal weapons in general would have to be supplied by Europeans wouldn't they?
Tiberius maximus
08-19-2006, 17:38
This is more of what if, how do yall think the Romans would do in this time period say 1250-1350 . Use the Legion at there height say 1oo AD
they would be torn to pieces by heavy calvary completely armoured foot soldiers it just wouldnt be pretty
highlanddave
08-19-2006, 21:15
i like all the ideas that have been posted.
one i did not see and i hated in the original game was how scottish clansmen were depicted. show me some kilted warriors not bland peasant rabble.
Tiberius maximus
08-20-2006, 04:56
i like all the ideas that have been posted.
one i did not see and i hated in the original game was how scottish clansmen were depicted. show me some kilted warriors not bland peasant rabble.
exactly the clansmen are supposed to be intimidating whose gonna be scared of peasants in skirts also i want some blue face paint that would be awesome:2thumbsup:
i like all the ideas that have been posted.
one i did not see and i hated in the original game was how scottish clansmen were depicted. show me some kilted warriors not bland peasant rabble.
Sadly, the kilt is post-medieval. A belted plaid could be possible, but more likely assosiated with late medieval irishmen! The classic claymore is also barely within the time period of the game, although of course they could always carry the 14th century hand-and-a-half longswords the claymore evolved from.
Ph34rb0t
08-23-2006, 08:05
TERCIO!!!! Seriously... they would be awesome.. disciplined Italian Pikes combined with firearms within the formation.. I gues they could impliment them kind of like the Legionaries in R:TW when they are on fire at will... muskets firing out of the blocks of pikes when they are stationary?
I'm new btw.. hi all :D
Chinese engineers for the Mongol faction....could be solved with extra nasty & mean seige equipment with this faction has at the start of the game, but not rebuiltable in any city....
Chinese engineers for the Mongol faction....could be solved with extra nasty & mean seige equipment with this faction has at the start of the game, but not rebuiltable in any city....
Now I am not an expert on siege weapons by any reckoning, but why would chinese siege equipment ca 1220-1240 (when the mongols will appear in M2TW) be more nasty and mean than islamic, latin christian or orthodox christian siege weapons? After, all the "state of the art" siege weapons of the time were the fully counterweigh trebuchets, who had, in the form of traction-trebuchets, been imported from china to the middle east and then to europe somewhere around the 9th century (possibly even earlier, and possibly invented separately, if the vikings were actually using traction trebuchets at the siege of Paris in 873, as the Germainian chronicle has it).
After bouncing around the middle east, persia, the mediterranean world and europe for several years and getting improved along the way, the now-improved trebuchet, equipped with a weighed counterweigh instead of lots of sturdy men pulling at ropes, made it back to china somewhere in the late 13th century or early 14th, brought by mongols who had dragged along some persian siege engineers - which was why these engines were called "Huihui Pao", huihui meaning muslim.
At the time of the mongol invasion of russia, gunpowder technology was used by the Song and the mongols could have brought some along, possibly using them in their later invasion of russia and at the battle of Legnica. However, these weapons were not, as a rule, siege weapons (at least we have no sources describing them attacking fortifications), but primarily used as psychological weapons to unnerve opponents: As late as the battle of Bun'ei in 1274, the gunpowder weapons used by the sino-mongol-korean forces were primarily catapult-flung firecracker-bombs. The Huochong cannon, who we have no or very weak sources for in the western mongol campaigns, seems to have been relatively small and mainly used for either firing clay pellets like a shotgun, or arrows in continuation of chinese rocket tradition - which, after all, primarily used gunpowder to propel an arrow, not as an explosive device.
All in all, I still fail to see any mean and nasty chinese artillery technology popping up in 1240 with the mongols, although they of course could build artillery like anyone else, and likely quickly would adapt to whatever was at hand.
All in all, I still fail to see any mean and nasty chinese artillery technology popping up in 1240 with the mongols, although they of course could build artillery like anyone else, and likely quickly would adapt to whatever was at hand.
Oh, that is "kinda" what I meant, lacking the deep knwoledge on it. But, nomadic civs tend to "not get" good siege equipment at all when it comes to TW games...
Thanks for the interesting background info...:2thumbsup:
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