What will be the faction of your first 0.8 campaign? [Archive]

Wardo

08-14-2006, 15:41

After my long campaign with Epeiros, all the way to 130-something BC, I'm currently playing a game with Ptolemaioi and I plan to stick with it untill v0.8 comes out, then I'll start a Romani campaign.

What about you? Since you'll have to re-start your campaigns, which faction will you pick first? I've been trying some quick short games with plenty of different factions and I must say it was a tough choice. So much gameplay, so much content, so many units! Ptolemaioi is great, by the way. :2thumbsup:

EDIT: Here's the score I figured out by reading your posts, feel free to recount it. I forgot to add a poll to this thread so let's just pretend this is a really primitive forum without a poll option and we have to do things this way :sweatdrop: :

Saka-Rauka - 21
Romani - 16
Sauromatae - 12
Pahlava - 12
Koinon-Hellenon - 11
Sweboz - 10
Hayasdan - 10
Iberians - 10
Baktria - 9
Casse - 9
Seleucids - 8
Carthage - 6
Makedonia - 4
Getai - 4
Aedui - 4
Faction X - 4
Pontos - 3
Arverni - 3
Epeiros - 3
Ptolemaioi - 2
Eleutheroi - 0

paullus

08-14-2006, 15:49

i'm interested in a sweboz campaign at some point, but i want to make sure they're in good shape first. the sakarauka look like fun, or i may run it back with the baktrians or kh.

The Spartan (Returns)

08-14-2006, 15:54

cough Romans.

Cozur

08-14-2006, 16:09

romans

Teleklos Archelaou

08-14-2006, 16:18

The nomads will be so revamped that we hope folks give them a try. They were boring in all other versions of RTW and in our previous builds because while the game represented moderately well hellenic and roman towns/ways of life, it stank when it came to nomads. We have greatly changed things up.

Granted, when you see the new unit rosters, you might be swayed by who has the most new units too of course. :grin: The Romans will have some new auxilia, but overall the experience with them won't be remarkably different I think. Other than fighting a bunch of different new units too.

The Spartan (Returns)

08-14-2006, 16:24

Greek cultures,Carthage,Barb Factions, Nomads are interesting. but im more of an inf. guy in RTW. (and EB)

Foot

08-14-2006, 16:45

You know you will all want it to be Hayasdan, you're just saying all those other factions just to hide your affection for them. They are going to kick-arse in 0.8, I can assure you.

Oh, and Hayasdan is my answer also. I'm not afraid to admit it.

Foot

Clovis

08-14-2006, 18:13

pontus, so I can beat Haysdan like it stole something :laugh4:

Seriously, pontus, or maybe sarmatia

soibean

08-14-2006, 18:15

Macedonia, without the CTD from reinforcement bug
Epeiros
Sweboz
either Hayasdan or Sakarauka

Radier

08-14-2006, 18:21

Casse or Hayasdan. :2thumbsup:

cunctator

08-14-2006, 19:28

Romani, with the all the new units and 3 dynamic reforms they will be playable as intended for the first time.

The Spartan (Returns)

08-14-2006, 19:44

3 dynamic reforms they will be playable as intended for the first time.gasps i dare say? Augustan Reforms?

Masy

08-14-2006, 20:07

Saka-Rauka, 'cos of the novelty factor (and yurts... Yurts Damnitt!) . And then carthage, even though i heard not much has been added to them. Looking forward to the completed unit cards though, elephants especially.

Tyfus

08-14-2006, 20:26

I have only ever started 2 campaigns in.74 and I'm keeping it that way until .8 is out. I'm currently Casse and KH.

My first pick for .8 will probably be Baktria, carthage or a nomad faction. I really like the western european factions though, Even though I know they were given less attention then some other factions I really hope we see some good changes for Casse, iberia and Sweboz.:rtwyes:

cunctator

08-14-2006, 20:36

gasps i dare say? Augustan Reforms?

Exactly. Polybian, Marian and Augustan reforms.

Teleklos Archelaou

08-14-2006, 20:37

Seriously, foot is right guys. Hayasdan will be a whole lot cooler in this one. The eastern music, eastern GUI, new better infantry (though not all of them), new light troops, I think some new cav too, building names corrected (with english translations beneath them), new huge building descriptions, Hai ethnicities, maybe some other tweaks if he can get time. They will be a lot more interesting and I while I understand people might not have been so interested before, they will really need to give them a try in 0.8.

Love that line Clovis! :grin:

econ21

08-14-2006, 20:41

Definitely Romans, then. I still remember the Roman preview and those amazing Imperial units. Drool.

Has it been decided what the trigger will be for the Augustan reforms? Is it just time? That would be a long wait. Someone mentioned getting them when Rome reaches a certain size or something - I'd prefer something like that from a gameplay point of view. Even if I am patient enough to wait to 1 AD or something, it would be a waste to get the reforms and only have rebels to fight.

Clovis

08-14-2006, 20:42

TA - thanks, I try :2thumbsup:

And a question - is Pontus improved like Hasydan, or will I have to suffer more?

Fondor_Yards

08-14-2006, 21:04

The Saka, Getai *now with more inf and heavy cav!*, the new faction, Carthage, Bactria, KH, AS, Pontus, Armenia, Sarmatians, Iberians

Discoskull

08-14-2006, 21:46

Casse. Again. Because, even though my current campaign is extremely entertaining, chariots that don't blow goat balls will make it even better.

cunctator

08-14-2006, 22:05

Has it been decied what the trigger will be for the Augustan reforms? Is it just time? That would be a long wait. Someone mentioned getting them when Rome reaches a certain size or something - I'd prefer something like that from a gameplay point of view. Even if I am patient enough to wait to 1 AD or something, it would be a waste to get the reforms and only have rebels to fight.

A combination of time, empire size and several minor things. Reform can approximatly happen as soon as the roman state in game is in a similar condition as the historic roman empire when their army changed. We still have a minimum year as requirement since the new units also represent some technical progress and social changes that can't happen overnight but the player can still vastly accelerate things. Currently the minimum year for augustan reforms is around 147 BC, after 540 turns.

Rilder

08-14-2006, 22:36

I'm gonna put all the most done factions in .8 into a hat shake it then pull one out then play that faction, I pray to Zues that I dont get a faction with blasted horse archers

GiantMonkeyMan

08-14-2006, 22:38

probably macedon and conquer everywhere this time (got bored last time, *runs away before TA smites me* :sweatdrop: )

then probably a steppe faction just to check them out

The Celtic Viking

08-14-2006, 23:15

Sweboz of course. Is there a faction more fun to play? Okay, I've only played as them, but damn... they are fun, and I long to play them in a (more) completed version. Then I'll try the Nomads just because TA urges me to do so, but I really do prefer to play as a "barbarian". Perhaps that will change.

-Praetor-

08-14-2006, 23:16

I`ve never palyed as romani on EB, mainly because of the switched culture groups, portraits, greek commands, etc.

Romans never have been my favorite (those would be the Koinon Hellenon, just love their skins and their mysticism), but I`ve been waiting far too long to play a accurate roman campaign.

I love their skins and all their history too, but having played with them before, with all the missing banners and stuff, would just have spoiled that campaign.

Cheers.

Kääpäkorven Konsuli

08-14-2006, 23:18

None of them. Loading times between turns are way too long, over 2 minutes whit my AMD 3000+. ~:mecry:

vizigothe

08-14-2006, 23:37

A nomad faction.

Kralizec

08-15-2006, 00:03

I already played Epeiros to death in previous builds, so now I'm going to try something different. Probably Karthadast or Pontus, possibly Hayasdan. Gotta give the Romans a try to- I've never played them before in any EB build :idea2:

Avicenna

08-15-2006, 02:16

Sweboz. Gonna be my first ever barbarian experience, taking Germania without having to bother with the annoying navy like the Casse.

Sarkiss

08-15-2006, 02:29

Dayve

08-15-2006, 02:52

born to love you... Born to love you everyyyyyyyyyyyyy single dayyyyyyyyy of my lifeeeeeeee...

Romani. typlish

orwell

08-15-2006, 03:05

Baktria. I wanted to play them in .74 but I got a CTD every time.

Ypoknons

08-15-2006, 03:10

Hayasdan and Iberia were pretty short on units last build - worse than Pontus, I would argue. If they get a good roster this time around, I would definately play with one of them.

Laundreu

08-15-2006, 04:42

Well, since my first Europa Barbarorum game will be one to be detailed on the Something Awful forums, I'm afraid the answer is 'whatever gets the most votes that isn't Rome'.

Tuuvi

08-15-2006, 04:55

Casse, Sweboz, and Saka freakin' Rauka.

Trithemius

08-15-2006, 05:26

Romani
Casse
Saka/Pahlava
Makedonians

I expect...

Simmons

08-15-2006, 06:05

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/jared_simmons/Avatars_Sigs/Seleukid_Banner.jpg
Arche Seleukeia!
:egypt: = :skull:

Torden

08-15-2006, 07:28

Sarmatae
SPQR
Seleukeia

and pretty much every other faction in a random order :laugh4:

Mujalumbo

08-15-2006, 08:23

Aedui, Pahlava, and then the Koinon Hellenon.

Imperator

08-15-2006, 08:38

I can't decide between the Romani, Selukids, or Saka-Rauka. I love the Romans passionately, but I don't much care for their Camillan skins. I also want to play a hellenic faction, and the Selukids have the best of the Greeks while allowing for a huge range of combat options and foes. And the Saka-Rauka have the new units, new steppe system, and I've never played a steppe faction before. decisions, decisions :juggle2:

PseRamesses

08-15-2006, 08:56

First I´ll try out the new factions then I really must give the nomads a go, it´s like a prelude to BI and Sweboz will hopefully be better than in earlier builds so I´ll defenitely carve out an über-Germania.

Kampfduck

08-15-2006, 09:16

the greek offcourse, i love the greek, even better: i want to be a greek!! :2thumbsup:

CountArach

08-15-2006, 09:28

My first game will be as the Romans. I plan on doing a Historically accurate campaign (With correct army structure and conquests) or as close to it as possible. Having tested it out in 0.7.4 I can say that the first few turns are going to be very hard as I have almost no troops in the South.

Conqueror

08-15-2006, 10:58

Right now I'm thinking Kart-Hadast. Aren't they supposed to get a new units reform in 0.8? Anyway, it'll be more interesting to fight against the Iberians and the Romans after the improvements to those two factions.

Then there's also Hayasdan, and the nomadic factions. Sure have to play either Sauromatae or the Sakas at some point just to try out that government system. Might give another try to Casse (totally got my ass kicked when I tried them in the first beta) and perhaps that other new faction yet to be reviewed... although I hear they won't be anywhere near finished in 0.8 so maybe I'll have to leave them for another EB update. Not that it'll be a problem with all these other great factions to play!

Joeokar

08-15-2006, 11:37

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/jared_simmons/Avatars_Sigs/Seleukid_Banner.jpg
Arche Seleukeia!
:egypt: = :skull:
Qft :2thumbsup:

Zastrow

08-15-2006, 15:17

Baktrians!

I love my Baktrian armies and with their new campaign situation, new nomadic factions, nomadic and eastern factions even more developed, their new unit roster, omg! It should be great. I smell a couple of late nights coming up. :sweatdrop:

NeoSpartan

08-15-2006, 21:16

Greek Cities!!!!

I remeber reading than in .8 they will have the same size pikes as the Makedonians and Spartan Hoplites will be aroudn. Time to :boxing:

Teleklos Archelaou

08-15-2006, 21:56

Their pikes will be the same NS. We've talked about a possible reform later, but that's not anywhere near decided or ready.

NeoSpartan

08-15-2006, 22:10

Their pikes will be the same NS. We've talked about a possible reform later, but that's not anywhere near decided or ready.

:fainting: Oh for real??????????????????????

....But why???? Didn't the Greeks figure out that a Makedonian phalanx was more effective than their own Hoplite Phalanx by that time? Or did they still fight the same OLD way. :help:

Teleklos Archelaou

08-15-2006, 22:37

Some did, some didn't. Some developed a new way. There are basically three different sets (the old overhand way with shorter spears, the Macedonian way, and with medium sized spears and thureos) and we may eventually have all three options for the player (though, *if* the phalanx unit does make it to KH after a reform, it will be limited to maybe one unit - we don't have enough unit space for more).

NeoSpartan

08-15-2006, 23:26

I see...

Some did, some didn't. Some developed a new way. There are basically three different sets (the old overhand way with shorter spears, the Macedonian way, and with medium sized spears and thureos) ......

Ok for the sake of knowledge:
I never heard of the medium spears and thureos. Where did it/they come from? Where those used like the Makedonian sarissa or not? :book:

Teleklos Archelaou

08-15-2006, 23:38

Just read the unit descriptions in game for those units.

Justiciar

08-16-2006, 00:14

Gonna start a new Sweboz campaign at some point, but first I'll have go with the Saka. The preview made my jaw drop.

Mujalumbo

08-16-2006, 00:53

@NeoSpartan:

I think Teleklos Archelaou is talking about the Iphrikates and Thorakitai hoplitai. Based on the description, it sounds like the Korinthian hoplitai are supposed to be closer to the "classic" hoplites.

Off topic, but was the dominance of the Macedonian phalanx over the classic phalanx a foregone conclusion? The Battle of Chaeronea (338 BC) seems to suggest it was a bloody slugfest before the battle was decided by a clever tactic... (Or am I opening a can of worms that's since been settled?)

Teleklos Archelaou

08-16-2006, 04:30

Well, since my first Europa Barbarorum game will be one to be detailed on the Something Awful forums, I'm afraid the answer is 'whatever gets the most votes that isn't Rome'.
Laundreu, are you still interested in writing descriptions? We are including your three Mak core building descriptions (props to Laundreu folks!) and I'm wondering if you'd like the other two (which have slipped by us) or any others?

What about your SA post? Will it be a sort of AAR? Sounds great!

abou

08-16-2006, 05:03

If I wanted to write descriptions, what would it entail, TK? How much information is given to me before I start writing?

Teleklos Archelaou

08-16-2006, 05:21

Subedei

08-16-2006, 08:55

Saka Rauka, Bactria & ...well I think that´ll be enough 4 the first few weeks...man I think I am more excited ´bout 0.8. than MTWII...

Darkarbiter

08-16-2006, 11:34

Anything with decent phalanxs and a few odd extra units. So I guess it will be sauka raka for the heavy cavlry and heavy phalanxs mixed with eastern units. If the selecuds are heavily scripted so that the split happens in a nice way and stuff like that i think they would be very fun to play for a challenge. 3rd would be baktria

Earl of Sandwich

08-17-2006, 02:47

Saka Rauka or Sweboz.

-Praetor-

08-17-2006, 03:36

Wow, the Saka-Rauka are getting enormous acceptation...

Conqueror

08-17-2006, 10:36

^

Shouldn't be surprising given the kickass preview they got, with all those sweet units.

Darkarbiter

08-17-2006, 10:43

l33t phalanx units and lots of varied and good cavlry what else would you expect. As well as a gameplay style that looks to be different.

Laundreu

08-17-2006, 18:25

Laundreu, are you still interested in writing descriptions? We are including your three Mak core building descriptions (props to Laundreu folks!) and I'm wondering if you'd like the other two (which have slipped by us) or any others?

What about your SA post? Will it be a sort of AAR? Sounds great!

Sure! I'm all in favor of helpin' out.

As for the SA bit - yeah, an AAR, running on a multigenerational model, in that I play until my first King/Emperor/Chieftan/Big Man kicks ye olde bucket, whereupon the next player continues with the heir.

Fondor_Yards

08-17-2006, 22:58

Wow, the Saka-Rauka are getting enormous acceptation...

Well look how sweet these guys are...
https://www.europabarbarorum.com/p/3D/saka-cats.jpg
How can you say no to that?

Tyfus

08-17-2006, 23:05

Well look how sweet these guys are...
https://www.europabarbarorum.com/p/3D/saka-cats.jpg
How can you say no to that?

Ummmmm... :idea2:

No.

JK. well at least not first, I have other fish to fry.

Ace Cataphract

08-18-2006, 18:07

Koinon Hellenon or Iberia.

Obelics

08-18-2006, 18:38

well im a bit curious about romans, but i dont think i will play them, but yes i will enjoy a tryout to see the new interface, im also curious about Iberians, to see if they are more complete with 0.8. But as a proud western European, i will try for first the Eastern factions (I love them), Saka, Pahlava, Bactria, also im very curious to see if the Sauromate will be completed and if the bactrian general bodyguards will have custom skins.

PS im sure i will have a cry when i will see my beloved pahlava thanvabara changed in the skins... and i also hope the sweet daha skirmisher cavalry won't be changed... im becoming to have a so deep relation with pahlava that i want to attend a HA course, but i have not the money to buy an horse. Another tear because i know they will change the pahlava bodyguard skins... no just joking i will be very happy for every improvement

PPS is there somewhere a 0.8 Faction List? @Wardo it should be nice if this was a pool, you could edit your firt post...

The Celtic Viking

08-18-2006, 23:34

PPS is there somewhere a 0.8 Faction List? @Wardo it should be nice if this was a pool, you could edit your firt post...

Don't know, but as I'm bored, I've made one for you. Faction X is one they haven't released to the public view yet.

Aedui
Arverni
Baktria
Carthage
Casse
Eleutheroi
Epeiros
Faction X
Getai
Hayasdan
Iberians
Koinon-Hellenon
Makedonia
Pahlava
Pontos
Ptolemaioi
Romani
Saka-Rauka
Sauromatae
Seleucids
Sweboz

See, I did it in alphabetical order too. :sweatdrop: Am I not nice?

Sdragon

08-19-2006, 00:30

I'm pretty sure R comes before S. ;)

Obelics

08-19-2006, 00:32

just too nice! thanks, anyway I guess the "faction X" shoul be the arabic faction in the actual Yemen? I was forgetting this, and it could be for sure one of the first faction I will try...

Red_Russian13

08-19-2006, 00:35

My favorite faction, the Romans. I love Rome. Can't get over it. Not just in the game, but Rome for real. Historically, they fascinate me.

Next favorite are the Selukids, but they start too big for me; too much management too soon. I forget about places.

Having said that, I'll probably go with the Greeks or Getai.

Wardo

08-19-2006, 04:07

@Wardo it should be nice if this was a pool, you could edit your firt post...

I knew I should've done a poll! :wall: -> ~:mecry: -> :wall: ->:shrug: -> :wall: ->:dizzy2: -> :wall:->:stars: -> :wall: ->:skull:

I tried to edit the first post to add a poll but it seems it can't be done. Well, to make up for this, I decided to count all the posts manually, just for you:sunny:, here's the ranking using Acy Topia's list:

EDIT: Information outdated. Check the first post for the most accurate list.

The Celtic Viking

08-19-2006, 10:41

I'm pretty sure R comes before S. ;)

Argh, I just knew I would make an error! Too tired to think clearly I guess, and that will be my excuse. :shame:

kambiz

08-19-2006, 10:58

I will try Romani and Pahlava(Ashkanians) at first.Because these two were the only factions remained at last ,And made themselves the only civilized empirescivilized empires at the time.

just too nice! thanks, anyway I guess the "faction X" shoul be the arabic faction in the actual Yemen? I was forgetting this, and it could be for sure one of the first faction I will try...
Thanks Obelics ,If so ,"Yemen" will be the next one ,Because I like to make Little factions with just one province a ruling powers of the world.~:cool: I did it with "Polish" and "Dans" in MTW ,Its So exciting.

-Kambiz

Darkarbiter

08-19-2006, 11:22

I will try Romani and Pahlava(Ashkanians) at first.Because these two were the only factions remained at last ,And made themselves the only civilized empirescivilized empires at the time.

Thanks Obelics ,If so ,"Yemen" will be the next one ,Because I like to make Little factions with just one province a ruling powers of the world.~:cool: I did it with "Polish" and "Dans" in MTW ,Its So exciting.

-Kambiz
Speaking of which what i read from a few historical sources like wikipedia and books. The arsacids were basicly the parthians and they got overthrown by the sassanids so therefore the parthian/sassanid empire lasted longer then the western roman empire but not the eastern one is that right or am i getting my sources wrong? Also wasnt there at least one chinese empire of some kind at that time surely they are civilised?

Obelics

08-19-2006, 11:25

nice work Wardo, so Saka, will be as expected on e of the first faction played, Roma following for second (it is the first time i see Roma in the second place in a RTW faction kind of poll, praise to EB!)

@kambiz
according to a clue posted somewhere in the gameguide discussion threads by TA, it could be named Saba(?), but it will be very incomplete in the 0.8... so we have to wait for some further patch to play this new mysterious faction at its full potential...

anyway here's the map posted by TA the cunning guy ~D
https://img101.imageshack.us/img101/121/mapbig9simple6cfbw3.th.gif (https://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mapbig9simple6cfbw3.gif)

@Darkarbiter
yes Roma and Parthia become the 2 superpowers in the ancient western world, and they lasted very long, but regarding Parthian/Sassanid, even if conquered by arabs, we can speek of a 2 way conquest, the arabs imposed their religion (who fitted very well on the previous zoroastrian strate), while the Parthian/Sassanid/Persian culture influenced so much the conquerers that the Califfate of Bagdad was a sort of unique mixture of Persian and Arabic elements.
So i see a sort of continuity from the ancient Akemenid period to the actual Iran, passing for the parthian/sassanid period. Also remember that the parthian General who defeated Crassus at Carrae (sorry but I dont remember the name now in the early morning), is still seen as a Persian/Iranian Hero in the modern muslim Iran.

PS regarding china (simplifing a lot), they also had their sort of "middle-age" (invasion etc) but at the end they were always recomposed in an unitarian empire till the XX Century, so China is pheraphs the more lasting empire ever...

Teleklos Archelaou

08-19-2006, 14:43

I've never given a clue to the name of the last faction.

Christ, you people are no fun whatsoever. Take a freaking break from ruining things every once in a while, will you?

Obelics

08-19-2006, 14:53

Ehi sorry man, i just interpreted that image posted by you in the gameguide thread as a sort of clue, you give us to know the new faction (there is the simbol of the X faction on the sud west arabia)...

sorry again if you didn't found it nice... i was just joking

Eberhard

08-19-2006, 22:32

I'll definately play the Casse first to see how the chariots work as well as test out that little "Desert tower bug" (as I like to call it).:gah2:

Aedui would be my second choice, it'll depend on my mood when the version comes out.

Geoffrey S

08-20-2006, 19:05

I've never given a clue to the name of the last faction.

Christ, you people are no fun whatsoever. Take a freaking break from ruining things every once in a while, will you?
However, there is that very clear clue as to the new faction on the EB website, which in combination with one of the previews makes a reasonable assumption possible.

If that faction were in a playable state I'd be interested, but for the moment I'd love to try Hayasdan, Saka Rauka, Pahlava, or (if they've got more units now) the Iberians. I just love the great variety in the east, and the great new music.

abou

08-22-2006, 03:51

I think Laundreu just took the initiative to send us a few, and they were quite well done. Any new description writers we take on should also have some other skills too though, as the descriptions are just about all done (anyone interested in doing serious descriptions for the sweboz though could probably find a way into the mod - talk to TK about that - they are the one big gap we have left). We don't provide the data to our description writers - they are expected to be able to find the information on their own and be knowledgable enough in their respective area to produce good text. We read them and judge them then and can tell if they know what they are talking about generally. We have very little in the way of people writing for greatly varied factions though - if you are a hellenic researcher, we don't want you talking out your tail about the Iberians or something (for example). :grin:
I really want to help with the mod; unfortunately for what that takes I don't have the time or the resources or another set of modding skills. ISU may be a good school, but I don't think I can just walk into the library and ask for all the material they have on Germanic tribes circa 272 BCE. Probably the only thing I could do with any efficacy is Beta testing; however, you have a full team of modders doing that anyway.

Oh well.

Darkarbiter

08-22-2006, 10:21

I really want to help with the mod; unfortunately for what that takes I don't have the time or the resources or another set of modding skills. ISU may be a good school, but I don't think I can just walk into the library and ask for all the material they have on Germanic tribes circa 272 BCE. Probably the only thing I could do with any efficacy is Beta testing; however, you have a full team of modders doing that anyway.

Oh well.
Isnt this mod still in beta? so therefore you are a beta tester :)

iberus_generalis

08-22-2006, 12:18

Iberia All the way, Romanii all the Way, koinnon Hellenon, and Avernii

kambiz

08-22-2006, 15:20

Hello Comrades ,Pardon me for delay in response;

Speaking of which what i read from a few historical sources like wikipedia and books. The arsacids were basicly the parthians and they got overthrown by the sassanids so therefore the parthian/sassanid empire lasted longer then the western roman empire but not the eastern one is that right or am i getting my sources wrong?
Thats right my friend.As you know ERE was the only ancient empire lasted till Meddival ages.

Also wasnt there at least one chinese empire of some kind at that time surely they are civilised?
Agreed ,But my talks is limited to the factions are in Cmpaign map area.I don't think China be part of that ,Is it?

while the Parthian/Sassanid/Persian culture influenced so much the conquerers that the Califfate of Bagdad was a sort of unique mixture of Persian and Arabic elements.
Thats right mate.Persian influence on Arabs is totally obvious ,For instance They were Nomadic people which suddenly became an empire ,Controlng such a hugh empire is so difficult ,Due to that they soon employed persians as their ministers and employed persian system of governing.

"The parthian General who defeated Crassus at Battle of Carrhae was "Iran Spahbod Surena".

About Carrhae one thing is remaind as mystery for me.Why Ashkâniân did not continue this war and did not attack into Roman territories?Because After defeating Crassus powerful army ,There were not enough troops for romans to guard the borders and it took time for them to commit enough forces against Parthians.

Cheers
-Kambiz

abou

08-22-2006, 16:34

About Carrhae one thing is remaind as mystery for me.Why Ashkâniân did not continue this war and did not attack into Roman territories?Because After defeating Crassus powerful army ,There were not enough troops for romans to guard the borders and it took time for them to commit enough forces against Parthians.

Cheers
-KambizFrom what I understand, the Parthians had a hard time in territory that was unfamiliar to them or incompatible to their style. If the Parthians advanced further, the Romans could have met them in forests or broken ground where the horses would have a very hard time maneuvering.

Jarardo

08-22-2006, 17:43

I just can't decide!

Musopticon?

08-22-2006, 17:52

Yeah. There's just too much goodness here.

Lusitani

08-22-2006, 18:26

Barbarians of course...probably the Iberians or any other Celts!!

Obelics

08-22-2006, 19:06

"The parthian General who defeated Crassus at Battle of Carrhae was "Iran Spahbod Surena".

About Carrhae one thing is remaind as mystery for me.Why Ashkâniân did not continue this war and did not attack into Roman territories?Because After defeating Crassus powerful army ,There were not enough troops for romans to guard the borders and it took time for them to commit enough forces against Parthians.

Cheers
-Kambiz

I yes Surena, thanks for the tip! regarding the question of the parthian expansion, i think (from an economical side) it was more lucrative to control the rich traffics from the eastern lands (trhough the silk road) to the very "consumistics" western territories. It was a function the parthian did well, for example (if i well remember) a chinese explorer could not enter in the roman border cause the parthian didn't want it were a direct commercial link between the two empires (roman and chinese), they where a sort of mediator, and it was very very lucrative...

greets

cunctator

08-22-2006, 20:37

kambiz
"The parthian General who defeated Crassus at Battle of Carrhae was "Iran Spahbod Surena".

About Carrhae one thing is remaind as mystery for me.Why Ashkâniân did not continue this war and did not attack into Roman territories?Because After defeating Crassus powerful army ,There were not enough troops for romans to guard the borders and it took time for them to commit enough forces against Parthians.

Cheers
-Kambiz

I yes Surena, thanks for the tip! regarding the question of the parthian expansion, i think (from an economical side) it was more lucrative to control the rich traffics from the eastern lands (trhough the silk road) to the very "consumistics" western territories. It was a function the parthian did well, for example (if i well remember) a chinese explorer could not enter in the roman border cause the parthian didn't want it were a direct commercial link between the two empires (roman and chinese), they where a sort of mediator, and it was very very lucrative...

greets

Actually the parthians invaded syria in the years after carrhae, two times. The first time with a small force when they thought it was defenceless, that was reoulsed by cassius and later with a larger force that caused some panic among the romans in the east. Cicero, who was governor of cilicia in 51BC, wrote that they stayed in roman territory over the winter. But they were not able to capture Antiochia or any major city and were constantly harrased by Cassius forces. Finally Cassius ambushed them and killed their general Osaces. Thereafter they left syria and made peace with rome.

During the era of roman civil wars, a decade later, the parthians, with the help and convinced to do so by ex republican roman general Quintus Labienus, invaded the roman east, initially very sucessfully again, but were finally defeated by Publius Ventidius and their generals killed.

Conqueror

08-22-2006, 21:12

Barbarians of course...probably the Iberians or any other Celts!!

I don't think the Iberians are Celts. Though they may have access to some Celtic units in Celtic lands.

Darkarbiter

08-23-2006, 12:30

I don't think the Iberians are Celts. Though they may have access to some Celtic units in Celtic lands.
Well surely if your fighting style is similar to the faction your conquering regardless of your culture you should get acess to their units assumably certainly between the iberians and guals.

Simmons

08-23-2006, 12:53

Darkarbiter

08-23-2006, 13:09

You can recruit local soldiers and use them in your armies without needing to change their arms or armament i would assume.

Olaf The Great

08-24-2006, 01:57

You forgot Sabeans its obvious they are going to be the faction in place of the senate/yeuthzi(Saka Rauka are Yuetzhi right?).

Trithemius

08-24-2006, 02:19

You forgot Sabeans its obvious they are going to be the faction in place of the senate/yeuthzi(Saka Rauka are Yuetzhi right?).

QUIET YOU FOOL

Simmons

08-24-2006, 03:21

You can recruit local soldiers and use them in your armies without needing to change their arms or armament i would assume.Yeah so back to this subject I think EB's government complexes reflect the political effects of conquering a settlement more so than the ability to absorb outside forces tactically and logistically

Lusitani

08-24-2006, 05:52

I don't think the Iberians are Celts. Though they may have access to some Celtic units in Celtic lands.

Nop Iberians are not Celts, i said that in a very generalistic way i guess. In the Iberian Peninsula they were probably fewer than the celtic or celtiberian tribes actually...still it was a big cultural cauldron back then.

Olaf The Great

08-24-2006, 12:28

QUIET YOU FOOLYou guys realeased it in a preview with Sabean Infantry!

Foot

08-24-2006, 13:58

You guys realeased it in a preview with Sabean Infantry!

Which kind of proves that faction X cannot be saba as we have no screenshots of faction X units done yet. Do understand that EB will include many regionals from around the globe, regionals who do not make up any factional unit lists, and so you may be confusing one of them with that. Please be aware, on the homepage and on the forums there are no images of faction X units at all.

Foot

Vendayn

08-25-2006, 15:37

Iberians probably

Oldgamer

08-25-2006, 16:40

Romani. I always play the game as the Romani ...

Olaf The Great

08-25-2006, 17:43

Which kind of proves that faction X cannot be saba as we have no screenshots of faction X units done yet. Do understand that EB will include many regionals from around the globe, regionals who do not make up any factional unit lists, and so you may be confusing one of them with that. Please be aware, on the homepage and on the forums there are no images of faction X units at all.

Foot
1:Well Now it says southern arabian infantry.
2:I saw a thread that now seems to be gone about people talking about the Sabeans.

Teleklos Archelaou

08-25-2006, 18:11

Romani. I always play the game as the Romani ...
Aww. C'mon. :grin: There's so much more amazing stuff out there though! Play as the Greeks with 0.8 - one of their factions. They have so much more cool stuff than the boring romans. :laugh4:

paullus

08-25-2006, 19:44

Aww. C'mon. :grin: There's so much more amazing stuff out there though! Play as the Greeks with 0.8 - one of their factions. They have so much more cool stuff than the boring romans. :laugh4:

and its not like he's biased or anything...his name probably isn't the name of a Spartan (prince, right?), its surely Latin! Or Celtic!

(or play as the Getai, I just started a campaign with them, and they are a BLAST! Its totally cool to get paid by one Greek faction to raid the other, sack one city, then get reimbursed for the ENTIRE campaign in return for calling off the siege of another city. and they get tarabostes in .8!)

Foot

08-25-2006, 19:53

Please, can everyone stop making suggestions to people on which faction they should play ...

Your confusing them when with certainty they know they want to play Hayasdan :grin:

Foot

The Kataphract

08-31-2006, 21:33

Sweboz of course. They're just that much more fun than everybody else. And then after that, maybe Iberia.

Just because.

VandalCarthage

09-01-2006, 01:06

If half of what we got done ends up in for them, Baktria is going to be damn fine.

paullus

09-01-2006, 05:13

Krusader

09-01-2006, 11:56

Baktria's already quite nice, though I guess there's always room for improvement. I'm looking forward to some more diverse phalangites (I may be a minority there, but I'm really excited about klerouchoi and argyraspidai etc) and some traditional hoplites.

Will Baktria be able to get some of those heavy hoplites from the Saka Rauka preview if they build, say, a type 3 or type 2 govt in some of the Sakae lands? They look like really fun toys.

Well, those heavy hoplites the Saka get are actually Greeks from Baktria fighting for their new Saka lords.

Although there are some Indo-Greek Hoplites made, that should be nice :2thumbsup:

Tellos Athenaios

09-01-2006, 17:56

Well surely if your fighting style is similar to the faction your conquering regardless of your culture you should get acess to their units assumably certainly between the iberians and guals.

Only if you keep 'their' political and social structures intact: say using a Type 4 government. Type 1 and 2 involve converting the culture into your own - so no 'foreign' units should pop up, type 3 involves pretty much te same with the exception that there will always remain a substantial 'foreign' culture present, yet not enough to support the recruitment of unit types of that specific culture tech trees (as that would mean that the locals still have the option of rebellion to your rule, which is exactly you're trying to prevent with Type 3 governments). So only if you conquered a region and installed a Type 4 government it would make sense to allow units of the foreign culture. And it still won't be elite units, as the elites are the first to either be converted to their conqueror's culture to keep up their social and political status, or to rebel against the invaders - in both cases they aren't suited to the task of forming the elite units of a 'foreign' culture in your service anymore.

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The factions I'm looking forward to playing are the Greek factions. Not that remarkable, is it? ~;)

Obelics

09-01-2006, 19:52

The factions I'm looking forward to playing are the Greek factions. Not that remarkable, is it? ~;)

well, im wondering what kind of change there will be for Greece in 0.8, it seems to me the far most complete faction in 0.74, so i cant imagine what they could add, anyway if there is somethink prepared also for KH, im very very curious to know...!!!

ok i want to speculate, pheraphs a fixed corint oplites (they are to similar to oplites ifik.)? EB customized generals skins and stendard bearers? cant imagine more of this uff:dizzy2:

Tellos Athenaios

09-01-2006, 20:37

well, im wondering what kind of change there will be for Greece in 0.8, it seems to me the far most complete faction in 0.74, so i cant imagine what they could add, anyway if there is somethink prepared also for KH, im very very curious to know...!!!

ok i want to speculate, pheraphs a fixed corint oplites (they are to similar to oplites ifik.)? EB customized generals skins and stendard bearers? cant imagine more of this uff:dizzy2:

I don't know about any changes either, as I'm not an EB team member. Maybe someone like Teleklos Archelaou could tell us?

Teleklos Archelaou

09-01-2006, 21:06

Spartiates, eventually another good hoplite unit, KH strategos, more ethnicities eventually, old-school lower tier hoplites. We've had the game field upgradable to small gymnasia, then a regular one, and eventually can turn into big academic ones too or palaistra (you choose), but we've had it so long it seems like it was in 074 :grin:. At least I don't think it was in 074. We also moved Areus to the coast of the Peloponnese as having him stranded in Krete (as the AI) hindered the faction a lot. Oh, Cretan archers. Plus the new greek music too. Eventually strat map diplomat/assassin/spy changes too, but not in 0.8. Oh, and reskins of a number of units we already had too by the way. So lots of things still remain, but not all will get in 0.8.

Obelics

09-02-2006, 23:35

that's a small preview with all the attributes...

MSB

09-09-2006, 12:53

Hayasdan most deffinatley. I always have (and allways will) love building an empire with that tiny little backwater in the east.

Teleklos Archelaou

09-09-2006, 15:08

Olaf The Great

09-10-2006, 18:07

Sauka Rauka, then Sabea Faction X, then Iberia.

Obelics

09-10-2006, 18:25

If we ever get our big stinking unit update finished, I'd like to try the KH out first - to see the Spartans as well as the Cretan Archers and the new KH Strategos and the Tarantinoi (btw, Spirit of Rob just posted the new KH Captain and it's gorgeous too! but probably won't be in 0.8). This way I'll still get to fight against the new Mak thracian prodromoi and agrianian assault infantry and other various new units.

Tarantinoi????! wow! They are oplites or another type of infantry?!? nooo im too courious to know... They will be recruitable only in Tarentum? or just in all the Magna Grecia (Sicily excluded?), Small Preview with pic (at last as that of cretan archers, even just a cutted pic of just a particulary)???
you are making a great teasing campaign TA spreading all this small infos in different threads... (at last if i haven't miss some preview of this unit)

PS: it should be nice if there will be a sort of generic Magna Grecia type oplites/unit recruitable in all Magna Grecia (Sud Italy + Sicily)...

PPS: what a pity that im currently playing KH so long that i dont know if it will be one of the first faction i will play...

cunctator

09-10-2006, 19:23

Tarantinoi????! wow! They are oplites or another type of infantry?!?

:charge:

paullus

09-10-2006, 20:48

are we talking tarantinoi from taras, or just tarantinoi as a generic name for greek skirmishing cav?

Obelics

09-10-2006, 20:52

are we talking tarantinoi from taras, or just tarantinoi as a generic name for greek skirmishing cav?

Hi paullus, i think the name explain from Tarentum, anyway i dont know how to say skirmish cavalry in greek, some think like ipp--- ?!?
but how do you know they are skirmish cavalry? So there were a preview?!?

paullus

09-10-2006, 21:52

tarantinoi was a name used in the hellenistic period by some to describe light cavalry, probably functioning as skirmishers, so i was wondering if the eb people mean it as a regional unit for taras, or as the name applied to a type of unit (which might otherwise be called hippakontistai), which would be more accurate, and considerably more useful, in my mind.

cunctator

09-11-2006, 08:54

It will be a regional unit for taras, ordinary hippakontistai will be a seperate unit.

Olaf The Great

09-11-2006, 12:27

You guys fixed the problem with the Hippakonsitai not being recruitable by the greeks right?

Discoskull

09-13-2006, 06:48

Just an interjection....

When .8 comes out, I will first play one of the nomad factions most definitely.

Then I will play as the Ptolemaioi, since I've got an inkling that africa/arabia will be much more interesting to play now that a new faction will be competing...

And then the all-time best, the Casse, for the wonderful new chariots and non-vanilla-crap generals.

And that is that.

PS: And then Epeiros. Oh, Eperios.