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Callatian
08-28-2006, 22:12
Hi there,
I have some cool screenshots from the GC Convention ... care to take a look?! ... just sit down and relax first before looking. This are done with a mobile phone camera so the quality is poor. As for the content ...well, it is nice.
http://pff.swrebellion.com/index.php?topic=4626.0
Cheers,
BB/Cain/Callatain
The_Doctor
08-28-2006, 22:34
Good pictures.
Elephant Artillery?:dizzy2:
Monster Bombard?:dizzy2:
Elephant Rocketeer?:dizzy2:
Callatian
08-28-2006, 22:45
Good pictures.
Elephant Artillery?:dizzy2:
Monster Bombard?:dizzy2:
Elephant Rocketeer?:dizzy2:
Told ya to sit down first ... ;)
The_Doctor
08-28-2006, 22:49
Told ya to sit down first ... ;)
There no amount of sitting down that could prepare me for that.:no:
Myrddraal
08-28-2006, 23:00
GAH!
Please CA, make this game moddable...
Good pics, thanks for posting!
Graphics-wise, they look pretty nice, I like the Billmen/Longbowmen pics, it really shows of the variety within a unit.
About the pachyderms, well, the less said the better. Did you see any flaming pigs to counter? :no: I think I know what I'll be modding out first...
Ibn Munqidh
08-28-2006, 23:06
That battle with the crusader army and the turks, with all those palm trees around, looks like an awsome battleground. However, Im very dissappointed at those elephant cannons.
That battle with the crusader army and the turks, with all those palm trees around, looks like an awsome battleground. However, Im very dissappointed at those elephant cannons.
Why are you disappointed about them?
Callatian
08-28-2006, 23:20
Yeah ... I used to play them on an Aztec map ...sry. the rest I played them in desert to avoid vegetation in my view. I have like 150 more.
Anyway the cannon elephants were partially acurate .... there is an info that said that some indians had tryed to do it once ...
Check your books ;)
there is an info that said that some indians had tryed to do it once ...
Check your books ;)
Very true and I think they tried it more then once even.
Besides charging, the elephants maintained a vital role in providing a stable and a safe platform for archers to fire arrows in the middle of the battlefield, from where more targets could be seen and engaged. The elephant mahouts, and riders in the elephant carriages carried bows and arrows to attack on coming cavalry and infantry and also carried long spears for close quarters combat. The archery evolved into more advanced weapons, and several Khmer and Indian kings have utilized giant crossbow platforms (similar to the Ballista) to fire long armor piercing shafts to kill other enemy War Elephants and chariots/cavalry. The late 1500s also saw the use of culverin on elephants, but the onset of gunpowder made the large and relatively slow war elephants obsolete.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_elephant#History
Dutch_guy
08-28-2006, 23:33
Thanks for the pictures Callatian :bow:
It looks like landbridges are used, in scandinavia at least. And we finally get to see a screeny depicting the ransoming process. Good stuff.
:balloon2:
Vladimir
08-29-2006, 00:29
I guess cannon mounted elephants are OK if they're all deaf! Sorry, I don't buy that a lot of elephants took kindly to a large BOOM going off right behind their ears.
Furious Mental
08-29-2006, 01:36
I'll put up with the cannons/ rocket launchers/ whatever on elephants as long as someone will answer one question- where are the goddamn mahouts? Do these elephants control themselves?
where are the goddamn mahouts? Do these elephants control themselves?
Look closly at the elephant's head.
https://img291.imageshack.us/img291/8035/tankscp5.jpg
The driver is stuck inside it :laugh4:
I must admit, that is very sloppy work by CA.
Myrddraal
08-29-2006, 01:44
Look closly at the elephant's head.
https://img291.imageshack.us/img291/8035/tankscp5.jpg
The driver is stuck inside it :laugh4:
I must admit, that is very sloppy work by CA.
Ha! so he is. The model is good though
But on the other hand if he sits up then he will get a cannon ball in his head :hanged:
IrishArmenian
08-29-2006, 02:50
Hehehe, Brothels. Can I recruit super hores to seduce the enemy to my cause?
highlanddave
08-29-2006, 03:48
you are one lucky guy to get a chance to get your hands on the game. the pictures you took looked pretty good. actually they should have hired you to give an overview as you took lots of varied pictures. they have answered some questions in my mind. the models look even better than i imagined. the longbowmen picture show good variety of models. they must have had a good computer because i saw the unit sizes and they were pretty big. the one scotland attacks picture show about 2500+ for each size.
Furious Mental
08-29-2006, 07:18
You know what now I actually regret asking that question. Sometimes ignorance is bliss.
Little Legioner
08-29-2006, 08:49
We the Turks have Grond-like monster cannon, Ogre-like Elephants, Uruk-like Janissaries... So, What are we waiting for conquer the Minas... uh sorry Constantinople? :laugh4:
Who says Tolkiens books were not alegoric?
Ok I have 2 questions :
1) Does the brothel have any ohter function then population happiness?
2)Captured soldiers can be released,executed,or ransomed.
What is the point of releasing them? :wall:
What is the point of releasing them? :wall:
As I recall it, in MTW, it gave your general a better rep, which helped in civil government. It also had an effect on diplomacy toward the defeated faction. Slaughtering them gave the general Dread, which was useful in combat and in repressing newly conquered populaces. Selling them gave you cash, and while it was usually way too little, it was a fun way of making war "pay itself".
We the Turks have Grond-like monster cannon
Not only do they have monster cannon, they have iron monster cannon (can you say...fracture...then...BOOOM) and it can actually be pushed around by the crew! Right....
Silver Rusher
08-29-2006, 13:56
That pope army commander thing just cracks me up.
Peasant Phill
08-29-2006, 15:17
That pope army commander thing just cracks me up.
What do you mean? (Didn't see the picture)
I know one pope was called the warrior-pope and led his army into battle.
professorspatula
08-29-2006, 15:17
Artillery obviously plays a big part in the game if all those cannons and rockets and Elephant Mobile Cannons are anything to go by. The highly mobile carriage ballistae of the RTW BI expansion showed CA's love of gimmicks, and the same thing is apparent here. Reviewers will lap it up. I'm really hoping CA found some document that claims Elephants were given wings in one battle and could fly above the battlefield and then drop like a bomb on the enemy. Controlling the 1st Airborne Elephant Bomber Command unit would be ace! And totally historic no doubt.
I was quite impressed by some of those screenshots though. Not bad for a mobile phone camera. But I find myself more interested in the campaign map screenshots. It's there where we probably learn the most about the game as there's only so many times you can see a picture of a battle and go, 'cooo!' and 'ace man!' etc.
poo_for_brains
08-29-2006, 18:52
Ok I have 2 questions :
1) Does the brothel have any ohter function then population happiness?
2)Captured soldiers can be released,executed,or ransomed.
What is the point of releasing them? :wall:
1) Brothels produce spies, just like in the first MTW (it says so in the screenshot).
2) already been answered, although I think there might be another advantage other than chivalry: if you release the good troops into your province, you might be able to recruit them as mercenaries straight afterwards - it would be good to steal any of the enemy's troops you capture.
edyzmedieval
08-29-2006, 19:02
Good photos, ,but horrible what's included in them.
Elephant Rocketeers...My god. :no:
Callatian
08-30-2006, 00:45
ok 12 more for two days. No more pictures until I get time to sleep.
The Blind King of Bohemia
08-30-2006, 11:23
Hey mate, great pics. Did you take any pics of the custom battles screenies? The ones of the aztecs look great, really diverse units there and extremely accurate by the look of them. Did you take any pics of Galloglaich or Kerns? Or the Highlander units?
edyzmedieval
08-31-2006, 16:35
Damn you man.
I've gotta track you down so you can take me next year. ~D
Callatian
09-01-2006, 09:57
guys - I will reply later to questions - for now I stick to the pictures. I'm sure that this will help the devs to show / explain more of the game.
I have downloaded the rest of the pictures from the demo:
pff.swrebellion.com/index...pic=4646.0
And now I am prepareing a full coverage of the Aztecs (all units, etc)
Cheers,
Callatian/Burebista/Cain
Callatian
09-01-2006, 16:23
http://pff.swrebellion.com/index.php?topic=4668.0
Done - Have a nice weekend.
The Blind King of Bohemia
09-01-2006, 16:31
Totally amazing, those aztec units are flawless.
Just a question, did you see much of the english or byzantine unit roster? If you are putting up more pics after the weekend, would you mind if you put up more of the custom battle screens?
Thank you very much for pics Burebista, they really are fantastic
Dutch_guy
09-01-2006, 16:33
Some good stuff Callatian.
Also, one picture featured Dismounted Christian Guard troops, so I think the ability to dismount units is back again - probably in the same way as it was in the regular Medieval.
:balloon2:
I like the range of unit choices shown in the multiplayer screens. I wonder if that is because they show all eras? It looks like more variety than for many factions in RTW (e.g. Greeks n Gauls). BTW, this is from a single player perspective - I suspect Puzz3D is going to say MPers need fewer units for balance.
Myrddraal
09-02-2006, 00:04
It could also be because the papal states can have knights from all the orders maybe? I saw a few knight units in there...
Why does the battle results screen say that Aztec units fought in Tripoli in 537 AD? M2TW doesn't stretch back that far, does it? Very curious.
Thanks for taking the time to put these up!
poo_for_brains
09-02-2006, 03:08
Why does the battle results screen say that Aztec units fought in Tripoli in 537 AD? M2TW doesn't stretch back that far, does it? Very curious.
I was wondering that myself.
I thought the most interesting on the site (on the Venice thread) was the guild buildings that could be seen on the tech tree.
https://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y256/Cain2/MTW2/citystatus.jpg
the assassin, mason, theologian, merchant, and swordsmith guilds make sense to me, in terms of what they'll affect, and how they can be obtained, but some I'm not sure about.
explorer's guild - I assume this helps you get to the new world faster, or some such, but how can you earn it: do you uncover alot of the map, or build ships or what?
The Alchemist's Guild - I don't know with what this guild is concerned.
The Thieve's Guild - Reminds me of Discworld Novels, if anyone reads those.
Is it connected with spies?
Any ideas would be appreciated.
Ignoramus
09-02-2006, 07:44
Great screenshots.
I remember defeating a massive French Crusade then recruiting them all as mercenaries. Those were the good old days...
The Blind King of Bohemia
09-02-2006, 11:28
Alchemy is early scientists during the medieval period that mixed discovery with theological aspects and they say magic but the latter has to be taken with a pinch of salt as the church was usually the one's who were condeming them
poo_for_brains
09-02-2006, 18:01
Alchemy is early scientists during the medieval period that mixed discovery with theological aspects and they say magic but the latter has to be taken with a pinch of salt as the church was usually the one's who were condeming them
Yeah, I know that, but what has alchemy got o do wth the game? Is it connected to the tech tree advancements? Ijust don't get what the alchemy guild will be for in the game.
DisruptorX
09-02-2006, 18:07
Elephant artillerly are fine, we already know, from playing rome, that they will be expensive and easy to kill. In other words, an obsolete unit that will still be available to have fun with (elephants are fun). No problems there, and its not like its crewed by valkyries or Roman battlefield ninjas. ~;)
The Blind King of Bohemia
09-02-2006, 18:53
Yeah, I know that, but what has alchemy got o do wth the game? Is it connected to the tech tree advancements? Ijust don't get what the alchemy guild will be for in the game.
Maybe an early way to make gunpowder weaponry?
The Wizard
09-02-2006, 20:59
Or perhaps simply a boost to the speed at which you advance along the gunpowder tech tree.
What ,I have to register to see those screenshots?
Last time I was able to see them as guest :no: :shame: :wall:
Callatian
09-04-2006, 08:40
What ,I have to register to see those screenshots?
Last time I was able to see them as guest :no: :shame: :wall:
I apologise but that was a diplomatic gesture. I'm in the middle of some discussions with SEGA. I'll keep ya posted.
I apologise but that was a diplomatic gesture. I'm in the middle of some discussions with SEGA. I'll keep ya posted.
Hmmmm, let me guess... Sega doesn't want you to post them?Or do they want you to put SEGA on every screenshot?:D
Callatian
09-04-2006, 16:22
We concluded that its to late to stop them but we are discussing at the moment the rest of the issue. You guys got lucky with the last 4 left behind. Like the english monstery inside germany ;)
This will give me time to write more.
We concluded that its to late to stop them but we are discussing at the moment the rest of the issue. You guys got lucky with the last 4 left behind. Like the english monstery inside germany ;)
This will give me time to write more.
Dude,can you just give me a clear answer,because i'm a little confused :help: :laugh4:
Will you post the other screenshots or won't you because of SEGA? :juggle2:
Callatian
09-06-2006, 09:49
Well I decided to stop for the sake of SEGA and CA. But I also was informed that I may get some exclusive screenshots just for beeing nice to them. Also all the pictures I posted until now I will keep on PFF. We agreed that there is no point in removeing them at this moment in time - that section can satisfy anyones desire to discover more about the game. I consider that they show at least 20% more and it will not be fair to make that 80%...even if I can exploit their error I will not do it. I hope you will understand.
Of course... If they ask nicely I seen no point in not working with them.
Did anyone notice that the Chivalric Knights have a bonus in snow??? Pretty strange to me.
The Aztecs are lovely. They are a bit spiffed up, but I don't mind as long as it stays within reason, and it is.
Great to see prisoners back....
But unfortunately the losses suffered to get them is pretty low. I hope that is because the English army was better, not because the AI wasn't as good as the podcast seem to indicate.
I'm surprised that Århus is the town in Denmark. It was hardly a town at the time. Obviously Roskilde should be the Danish town as that was the residence of the kings after Cnut the Great and more or less the only real town in the country. In any case in Jutland Ribe would have been a much more important town than Århus. And given how many provinces France has Denmark should perhaps have gotten two, Jutland and the Islands, but that isn't terribly important.
Noticed that not all the unitcards are finished. An RTW Grey Peasant is visible at one point.
Lovasìjász
09-06-2006, 13:09
My question is, When were these pictures taken? Months ago? Weeks ago?
Just for the sake of accuracy....I don't base anything on these images, especially since they aren't official....
Callatian
09-06-2006, 15:01
My question is, When were these pictures taken? Months ago? Weeks ago?
Just for the sake of accuracy....I don't base anything on these images, especially since they aren't official....
Yes - maybe they are from a different game or an ancient MTW advanced version :) They were taken more than a week ago from the german game convention were they had a full game open to the public play.
EDIT: The battle results come mostly from autocalculate. And yes - not all the cards are finished (especially ships) and the merchants don't do anything yet.
Dutch_guy
09-06-2006, 18:36
Did anyone notice that the Chivalric Knights have a bonus in snow??? Pretty strange to me.
Yes, I found that to be quite peculiar myself. I'd say they'd have a penalty fighting on snowy terrain. Hey who knows, it might be a mistake.
:balloon2:
Rex_Pelasgorum
09-06-2006, 19:55
SOme more pictures i found on the net, acceptable quality...
http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y256/Cain2/MTW2/?start=0
It is nice to see loyalty and piety included... i missed them ~:)
SOme more pictures i found on the net, acceptable quality...
http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y256/Cain2/MTW2/?start=0
It is nice to see loyalty and piety included... i missed them ~:)
:laugh4: It is the same pics from the same poster.
He just hosted it on photobucket.
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