View Full Version : avy recruit won £200,000 for injury during combat training
Summary of the article (Metro, August, 30, 2006)
"A navy recruit who broke her ankle jumping a short drop just 11 days into her basic training won nearly £200,000 in damages yesterday.
Sinaed Dodds claimed her hopes of a career as an operator mechanic were wrecked by the injury, which also left her too embarrassed to wear a skirt because of the damage to her leg...... she was hit on the ankle during a game of hockey but did not receive medical attenetion. The next day, the 26-year-old, wearing an extra large boot, had her first go on the assault course.... Judge Malcom Thomson QC said the injury could have been prevented by giving her the option of jumping from a sitting position."
Army training assault course: No running or Jumoping! Mind the step!
The next English generation of warriors will be...
Summary of the article (Metro, August, 30, 2006)
"A navy recruit who broke her ankle jumping a short drop just 11 days into her basic training won nearly £200,000 in damages yesterday.
Sinaed Dodds claimed her hopes of a career as an operator mechanic were wrecked by the injury, which also left her too embarrassed to wear a skirt because of the damage to her leg...... she was hit on the ankle during a game of hockey but did not receive medical attenetion. The next day, the 26-year-old, wearing an extra large boot, had her first go on the assault course.... Judge Malcom Thomson QC said the injury could have been prevented by giving her the option of jumping from a sitting position."
Army training assault course: No running or Jumoping! Mind the step!
The next English generation of warriors will be...
:no: :dizzy2: :wall:
This is depressing. I have this vivid image of Arthur Wellesly, Oliver Cromwell, John Churchill, Admiral Nelson & Winston Churchill spontaneously and simultaneously spinning in their graves...
doc_bean
08-31-2006, 21:54
Why wasn't this a military court case ?
Incongruous
08-31-2006, 22:07
Well I do actually feel sorry for her, 'cause that does kind of suck. What If she had really nice legs!
But yeah, it does seem rather...silly:embarassed:
rory_20_uk
08-31-2006, 22:22
Ridiculous! Yes, people may (gasp) get hurt in the armed forces!!!
~:smoking:
Papewaio
08-31-2006, 22:25
I could see her wining because of not having been supplied with the correct equipment, but even then only enough money to cover recovery if and only if the navy was unprepared to supply the medical aid.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
08-31-2006, 22:49
I'm afraid your all off here. This happens a lot. MOs are usually not worth stepping over when dead. A friend of mine was running down a Tor and fell, he cracked his ankle on a boulder, the MO passed it as a sprain and it wasn't until six months later they realised he'd broken it. As a result he was crippled and MD'd out. That was it, career over.
If she had to wear an over-large boot on one leg she wasn't fit for the course.
This was the Navy's fault and a big slap on the financial wrist might make other MO's more careful in the future.
So she broke her ankle, for 200.000 it must have been a fine one. This is rediculous on so many levels. A few months and she is fresh and fruity again, wouldn't call it a careerkiller. She should pay the military really, because of her hockey she isn't fit to do the work she's hired for.
rory_20_uk
09-01-2006, 12:17
I think then that there should be two parts: compensation to the individual (a small amount), and a fine that goes to say, charity (the bulk of it).
If a shoe doesn't fit, can't she mention this?
~:smoking:
The article does not make it clear to me that she sought medical attention for her ankle after the hockey game. It also doesn't make it clear that it was a Navy Doctor or a Navy Drill Instructer for the Combat Course that told her to use an oversize boot.
So is this a suit over the Navy's failure to insure proper medical care is given, or is it what seems to me is a suit over the Navy's failure to insure that the individual is medicial sound before going to training? The first one is indeed something the Navy should of done if the individual reported the injury. The second one is more of an individual responsiblity.
Vladimir
09-01-2006, 14:47
Ahh, yes. Women in the military. :cheerleader:
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
09-01-2006, 16:15
So she broke her ankle, for 200.000 it must have been a fine one. This is rediculous on so many levels. A few months and she is fresh and fruity again, wouldn't call it a careerkiller. She should pay the military really, because of her hockey she isn't fit to do the work she's hired for.
Broken ankles don't ever heal properly, You have 35 bones in your foot and if you break one that sends the other 34 out of whack. I dislocated my ankle nearly five years ago and it still hurts in the cold and my right boot doesn't fit properly. Naturaly this worries me as I want to go into the army in a couple of years. Fingers crossed I pass.
I agree completely with Redleg. There is some missing information, so let's not judge the case based on prejudices.
doc_bean
09-01-2006, 16:35
I agree completely with Redleg. There is some missing information, so let's not judge the case based on prejudices.
That kinda defeats the entire point of having the backroom ~:doh:
edyzmedieval
09-01-2006, 17:59
Ahh, yes. Women in the military. :cheerleader:
This is democracy, sir. Women are allowed in the military, sir.
This is democracy, sir. Women are allowed in the military, sir.
What's being a democracy have to do with that, sir?
edyzmedieval
09-01-2006, 18:08
I was being ironic sir.
I was from the start of my life with the word: "Military is for men only. No sissies and women allowed.", sir. :juggle2:
By the way, how did she get 200.000 pounds so easily? :inquisitive:
yesdachi
09-01-2006, 19:11
I don’t get it, she is a women and in the military? What, does she cook or do laundry or something?
Barefoot and pregnant is how they ought to stay, must be ugly or backwards.
Vladimir
09-01-2006, 20:37
I don’t get it, she is a women and in the military? What, does she cook or do laundry or something?
Barefoot and pregnant is how they ought to stay, must be ugly or backwards.
:girlslap: Oh, my. I hope your homersexual or that your true idenity is never revealed.
yesdachi
09-01-2006, 21:01
:girlslap: Oh, my. I hope your homersexual or that your true idenity is never revealed.
My working, career minded wife loves my sexist humor. ~D
Patriarch of Constantinople
09-02-2006, 04:31
Ridiculous! Yes, people may (gasp) get hurt in the armed forces!!!
~:smoking:
im shocked!!!!!
Patriarch of Constantinople
09-02-2006, 04:32
Ahh, yes. Women in the military. :cheerleader:
sadly the next step of feminism
macsen rufus
09-02-2006, 16:06
If your army boots actually fit you, you'll be discharged for being deformed....
“The article does not make it clear to me that she sought medical attention for her ankle after the hockey game. It also doesn't make it clear that it was a Navy Doctor or a Navy Drill Instructer for the Combat Course that told her to use an oversize boot.”
I just wrote what the article said, I have no more details. I tried to find a link but failed miserably.
Ah, yes, the newspaper said "the judge said the Ministry of Defence failed to recognise the danger of the jump”.
She volunteered for a job know to present some danger of accidents (that is the minimum), went in training, bad reception, got injured, fair enough. But a judge is entitled to decide what the instructor can ask to a recruit… I got injured during training, bad reception on a jump, well; I cursed my own stupidity, not the fact that to jump for one platform in a tree to a other platform far and below is too dangerous…
How instructors will prepare recruit to combat if they can’t put a recruit in danger, minimum of course but still a danger… Let’s say at risk…
I don’t know in your country guys, but in the French army either you are fit for the exercise either you’re not. If yes, well you do it. If not, you participate in the cleaning of the premises… And the fact to have too large boot, against happened to me the first week. Never happened again, the first march was hell (plus I had the luck to be “volunteered” as machine gunner, thank you very much).
Any way, all this is ridiculous.
And the last statement from the judge, “it could have been prevented by giving her the option of jumping from a sitting position” is in French in the text “la cerise sur the gateau”, the cherry on the top of the cake.
By the way, guys, about women in the army, search for Ludmila Palvlichenko. Her total confirmed kills during WWII was 309 enemies (whom 36 were snipers themselves).:sweatdrop:
By the way, guys, about women in the army, search for Ludmila Palvlichenko. Her total confirmed kills during WWII was 309 enemies (whom 36 were snipers themselves).:sweatdrop:
Well, people complain about feminist movements, yet show some prejudices in threads like this. If you feed the feminists, don't wonder that they still exist.~;)
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
09-02-2006, 22:07
Women in the military are fine as far as I'm concerned, so long as they can do everything a man can.
No, that does not have to include going to the toilet standing up.
Cowhead418
09-02-2006, 22:56
Women in the military are fine as far as I'm concerned, so long as they can do everything a man can.
No, that does not have to include going to the toilet standing up.I agree. It is fine for women to be in the military as long as they don't demand any special treatment. You can't have it both ways. If you want to 'prove your equality' with the other male soldiers, then you'll have to learn to take it like men. No easier physical tests, no special medical treatment for simply being a woman.
Vladimir
09-03-2006, 05:55
Women in the military are fine as far as I'm concerned, so long as they can do everything a man can.
No, that does not have to include going to the toilet standing up.
Actually from my experience, they do! In the old barracks we trained in they only had "generic" bathrooms whith urinals and johns. When you have 5 minutes for 20 people to take a pee, some of the women have to use the urinals (and the sinks, ewww). Fair to say that I never witnessed the event but I have it from a very reliable source.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
09-03-2006, 15:28
I didn't say they couldn't, just they didn't have to.
Moving on....
Actually from my experience, they do! In the old barracks we trained in they only had "generic" bathrooms whith urinals and johns. When you have 5 minutes for 20 people to take a pee, some of the women have to use the urinals (and the sinks, ewww). Fair to say that I never witnessed the event but I have it from a very reliable source.
Why do they use the sinks? Do men use sinks as well?
Use a empty bottle...
Woman in the military? Umm....Thats a hard one. On one hand, I wouldnt hesistate to kill a enemy soldier if I was in the army, but if that enemy soldier was a woman....too distracting.
I follow the maxim "Dont hit girls"
Vladimir
09-04-2006, 00:36
Well I for one was mostly joking (except for the sinks and urinals thing). Women in the military is far different from women in combat. Now you can bring in the whole asymetrical combat thing but I'm talking about conventional wars. I had a female partner on a ROTC paintball excercise. When it came time to go back I was the one busting through the loose sticker bushes while she was using her thumb and forefinger to make sure she didn't get suck. Oh well, :medievalcheers: .
Divinus Arma
09-04-2006, 07:54
Liberals. Next we'll see this weakness in the states. Just what we need, a weaker and softer military.
Let's see in the modern military, according to socialist leftist liberals, we cant:
(1) discipline our troops
(2) Do anything dangerous
(3) kill people
Damn. The Islamofascists have already won. :no:
Sir Moody
09-04-2006, 10:08
jeez talk about bandwagon here read this (first link on my google so wasnt exactly hard to find)
The actual article (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=402790&in_page_id=1770)
from this she is A) Unfit to work again as she is crippled B) badly scared and C) was poorly treated after the injury (forced to walk to the ambulance/up hospital steps)
and she wasnt applying for combat work i nthe navy she was an engineer so enough of these women in the army posts nothing to do with this really
Vladimir
09-04-2006, 14:17
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/08/dodds290806_228x378.jpg
~:eek: :hide: Warn us next time!
I love these:
Miss Dodds ended up breaking her ankle and now says that as a result of the accident she can no longer wear a skirt.
She said: 'I've lost all confidence as I can't do anything for myself and people stare at me when I'm walking.'
The court heard Miss Dodds still had not found a suitable job and was taking up to eight pain killers a day.
She said she could only wear flat shoes and never wore a skirt because she was self-conscious about the surgical scars on her ankle.
She said when she was called back to the Navy after the accident she had to be carried to the showers. She added: 'I had to go up and down the stairs to my accommodation on my bum. I was there for no reason.'
She said when she was called back to the Navy after the accident she had to be carried to the showers. She added: 'I had to go up and down the stairs to my accommodation on my bum. I was there for no reason.'
Since her discharge she had battled drinking problems and needed counselling.
She said: 'I could not get from my kitchen to the door at the end of my living room. I couldn't do much for myself and relied on my family for everything.
'I loved the Navy and if I could I would go back in minute, but the way I was treated was unfair and I wanted to get my voice heard.
:shame:
What's your problem Vladimir?
You think she looked like that when she was a recruit 5 years ago?
You think she should wear woodland camouflage on a pressphoto?
You want to get warned before leaving the house because you could happen to see a woman?:juggle2:
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/08/dodds290806_228x378.jpg
'Miss Dodds ended up breaking her ankle and now says that as a result of the accident she can no longer wear a skirt.'
I fail to see the connection between her broken enkle and global cloth shortages. It's a small miracle she got high enough to drop.
Sir Moody
09-04-2006, 15:08
i know your being sarcastic but to head off other poeple saying this she "cant" wear a skirt because the surgery to repair her ankle involed installing metal pins to hold the bones together leaving the ankle scared - being a women she doesnt want to show these scars off so she cant wear skirts... no a very good argument from a male perspective but ....
Well from a male perspective you should be gratefull, who knows maybe she's the string type. You imagine the famous Monroe scene with that puppy.
http://members.lycos.nl/piekerende/log/rollade1.jpg
If you are implying she was too fat, her gaining weight may be a result of her not being able to move around a lot due to her injured ankle. As I said before, the incident was five years ago...
come on guys.....
suing somebody is the new lotto!
If you don´t sue you can´t win! :laugh4:
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