Pavel-Ter of Thrace, or Getai or idk...

[Roderick Ponce Von Fontlebottom]

Lol im having an identity crisis as the Getai, I realize they are the Dacians or w/e but im still floundered to wether they are the ancestors of the czecks, and romians, aare they the same people, ie light skinned, dark haired.. The real thing confusing me however is the fact that I have become Pavel-Ter throgh hard work and have no idea who i am PavelTer over? What is Thrace? is it a combination of Dacia, and Getai. Lol any info would be appreciated, I'm sure the awsome depth of the EB knowledge base can cover this.
Also real quick question, in the history it said that the Getai once lead an expedition of 200,000 men when they were stronger, now that ive united them again, and im raking in about 10000 a turn to my coiifers already totaling 110,000, Lol i have the power to do this again i think. this question is hard to make sense of, what I want to do is lead another expedition of the same size to show my strength "in game" how could I represent this properly, ie:how many armys, where would be a historicly apt place to go.??
I know this is alot of questions but Eb has sparked my interest for these people.

[edyzmedieval]

The Getai are the ancestors of modern day Romanians. They where the most courageous and righteous of the Thracians, said Strabo. THracians lived near the Danube, on the north and southern parts. Dacians were called by Romans, Getai by the Hellenes. They were extremely good fighters, and EB potrays that.

I am Romanian, so I know everything about them. :tongue:

[Rex_Pelasgorum]

Dacians and Getae are one and the same thing. "Getae" was the name the greeks called them, especially the ones who lived in southern Romania (probably derivad from a word meaning "peasant"), while "daci" was the name given to them by the romans (probably derived from a dacian word meaning "wolf"). Whe do not know for sure how they named themselves.

They are not the ancestors of czechs, but they are largely the ancestors of romanians for sure.

Despite the fact that some ancient writers present them as beeing blonde, or red-haird, in fact they where most likely having mediteraneean phenotype. Unfortunately, they practiced incineration and not to many bodyes where found, but the ones discovered seemed to belong rather to individuals having rather mediteraneean looks.

There are a couple of areas in Romania which are considered more or less "true dacian", and the inhabitants of those areas ussualy have dark hair, either brown or black , and white skin.

I wont say more about the subject for now.

Given the fact that there are thousands of opinions about the Dacians, Thracians, Pelasgians, all of them more or less fundamented, all of them more or less influenced by politics (history in Balkans is ussualy influenced by politics)... .... ....

[edyzmedieval]

Bravoo, ai facut o introducere frumoasa tovarase. :tongue:

Rex is totally right. Is that enough info?

[Roderick Ponce Von Fontlebottom]

Yes thankx medieval, and Rex, I understand now, however, I still need to know how to represent an expedition of 200000 men in game? how many full stacks?

[snevets]

My esteemed collegue em with the help of rex seems to have answered the question, but if you want to know directly how many full stacks that works out to:

assume these men would be mostly spearmen, with a twentieth part being cavalry and archers each (one tenth).

So for 200,000 you need an astounding 41 and a half stacks.

[Sarcasm]

That's assuming a full stack corresponds directly to a real number of people.

[Roderick Ponce Von Fontlebottom]

That's assuming a full stack corresponds directly to a real number of people.
Eaxctly, Thanx for the calculation Snivet, but I mean relative to the game. ie; in real life Roman Legions numbered 10,000 or more. But in the game a full powered legion is probably about 3000 to 4000 men, so how would I be able to represent the huge scale of an 200000 man expedition from Getai? I mean relative to the game, so if a legion capable of destroying an army twice its size in most cases numbers only 3000, how could i represent the return of Thrace. Relative to the game what would a 200000 man army be, I'm thinking somewhere along the lines of 5 full stacks right? Does that not demonstrate power, equal to an army of 200000.? WOW this sounds stupid, but does anybody get what im trying to ask? how many stacks or how large of an army would it have to be, as an in-game representaition,to represent that size of a demonstration of power.
Or, ok say EB wanted to make an event where Getai summons an army in game that supposd to represent a real historical Dacian army of 200000 men , how many stacks would it be? Cuz i mean 45 stacks, in game, is like 10 super powers all put together, so its most definitle not going to be that?

Lol the EB forum has the most helpful people ive ever met on a forum, so I dont doubt any of youre capabilites lol to awsner the question. I just want to make a cool historical move.

[paullus]

oh no, you certainly need twelve stacks. don't builduth thou eleven stacks, unless thou then proceedeth to twelve. fourteen is RIGHT OUT, there aren't enough people in that region.

and as for the current population of the region, there's a thracian foundation to ethnic makeup, but the region has seen many waves of migration and nearly constant warfare for a good bit of its history. ethnicity is much more a political construct than any actual, scientific label, especially in a place where so many ethnic groups have blended.

[Sdragon]

Well an average stack has around 3,000 troops, I’d say that if each man represented about 10 or maybe even 20 men it would feel about right. How big are historical armies anyway? 30,000 to 50,000? A few rare occasions of around 80,000?

[eadingas]

IIRC we were using 10:1 ratio for Roman legionnairies calculations, so that would be a good approximation (so 1 stack of Romans equals 2 legions+ancillaries, I think.. though that might've changed at some point)
I'd say you'd need about 10-15 stacks to represent your expedition, depending on the composition of the army (at Large unit size)

[Trithemius]

It all depends on unit size. If you assume a cohort has about 480 men and then compare this to the 40 or so men in a standard scale cohort it suggests about 12:1; with higher scales reducing this to about 6:1 and about 3:1.

[MSB]

...while "daci" was the name given to them by the romans (probably derived from a dacian word meaning "wolf").
Just providing some random background infomation here. This was because the Dacian standard had a huge great wolf on it.