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Darth Nihilus
09-15-2006, 03:19
I listed them all just in case. It was a hard decision for me, but I went with the Byzantines. Alot of my decision was based on the original game and my fond memories of playing with them.
Reenk Roink
09-15-2006, 03:49
Byzantines! :2thumbsup:
I plan to start my first campaign with them.
Dr_Who_Regen#4
09-15-2006, 04:10
Had to vote for a new Faction so I went with Venice...
Darth Nihilus
09-15-2006, 04:15
I guess I should add that people should vote for whatever reason they want, eg. it's thier home country or ancestry, they liked playing with that faction in the original, they like its untis, or they like studying the history of that particular faction. I do realize that no one has ever played with (for instance) milan before. And I do think that the BYZ will be the runaway favorite.
My 2cents.....
:knight:
BYZANTINES!
:knight:
And Almohads, but I would give a 1 up to the Eastern Romans for their interesting playing style and troop types.
I just hope MTW2 does the Byz more justice than MTW.
Like more unique units, and I think they should have a spearmen that specializes in something than their vanilla flavoured 1 in MTW.
It would be interesting to see how the Byzantine troops look like now and how will their appearance progress as the years go on into the 1500s, that would be nice.
~:thumb:
Ignoramus
09-15-2006, 04:28
Byzantium wins, but only just. The Holy Roman Empire will be more interesting to play than in original Medieval with two Italian factions.
King Ragnar
09-15-2006, 08:40
England, me being English, and the fact that they rule, Billmen and Longbowmen the ultimate combination, i think they will be my first campaign, but i have always had a little soft spot for the Byzantines
Soulflame
09-15-2006, 09:11
Byzantines, followed by the Danes. Although I also like the invasion armies (Mongols and Timurids), which are unfortunately unplayable.
I don't really like the currently big countries that much (England, France HRE, Spain are all a bit 'meh' in my eyes), but that's because I love the underdog and like to change history a bit ;).
Ignoramus
09-15-2006, 10:31
I actually like the Byzantines for the opposite reason. I enjoy "roleplaying" history, so factions like Scotland and Milan (although they are really interesting) aren't quite as enjoyable as Byzantium.
The Turks. They were arguably the best faction in MTW, so one could assume they will be the best in M2TW, but who knows.
I gotta say, it has to be the Scots. I'm looking forward to finally returning the favour of being able to banish the English from the British Isles just like I did as the English to the Scottish rebels countless times in the first MTW. :)
Vladimir
09-15-2006, 12:38
Spain for when I'm inexperienced as they have so many advantages. However I think I'll enjoy Venice more once my proficiently increases. I can't wait to use them to conquer Genoa and dominate Mediterranean trade. :2thumbsup:
That´ll depend a lot on the units the factions get, but I tend to favour the north-western European factions, England France and Germany. I like my knights in shining armour and armies that clank when they move.
Dracula(Romanian Vlad Tepes)
09-15-2006, 13:33
HRE are the best because of their heavy cavalry and infantry.
Guillaume le Batard
09-15-2006, 14:18
The TURKS! Without question. This is of course entirely based on my fond memories of them in MTW. With so many trade-rich provinces nearby, you could pretty much do whatever you wanted. And the units were amazing... you could create almost any type of army configuration you wanted. I also really liked their colors, for some reason.
After taking out Egypt and Byzantium, I always invaded... Spain!:laugh4: Don't ask why, I just loved taking the other side of the Mediterranean I guess.
Guillaume
Guillaume le Batard
09-15-2006, 14:25
Sorry -- accidental double post!
The Blind Samurai
09-15-2006, 14:34
egpypt:2thumbsup:
batu khan
09-15-2006, 14:43
Turks without a doubt.i am gonna conquer Vienna and i am gonna massacre the papal states
azraeltheFallen
09-15-2006, 14:43
Defiantly the Danes, be aware when the vikings are comming:thrasher: :thrasher: hehe
Turks, as they were my favorite in the un-moded MTW. Hopefully they will be as fun in MTW2. So even though it might change once released, its currently the Turks that I am looking forward to playing.
Tiberius maximus
09-15-2006, 18:30
well i love knights and infantry and england has the best foot knights there is plus i love the billmen they can rape any mounted unit there is:laugh4:
I voted Danes because of my ancestry.
"God spare us from the fury of the North-Men!!"
I love to start out as the Danes in Early, carve out a small Baltic centric empire and then concentrate on shipping / trade / and building infrastructure.
By the late 1100's i'm flush with cash and by the early 1200's I've got ships everywhere, naval superiority and lots of full stack armies idling in the home provences.
Then the Mongols show up and start to savage the Hungarians / Polish / Turks etc.
I usually let them do the dirty work then sweep the eastern half of the map clean (ever seen what V+ A+3 W+2 armored huscarls do to Mongol heavy cav? :skull: )
Nathanael
09-15-2006, 19:55
I won't be voting 'til I find out more about the factions. It'll probably be between England and the Turks, though.
Brighdaasa
09-15-2006, 20:24
HRE, i just like how they're in a bit of a tough spot with enemies on all sides. This based on my mtw experiences ofc.
Byzantine Emperor
09-15-2006, 20:32
Byzantines, followed by English, because I am English but Byzantines are too good to resist.
Sarmatian
09-15-2006, 20:58
Byzantines first, to create a new roman empire, then russians to create a slavic empire and then the turks, to finally convert all those infidel christians by force. After that, probably venice and the danes.
The Turks. They were arguably the best faction in MTW, so one could assume they will be the best in M2TW, but who knows.
there is nothing to say more :D
the_mango55
09-15-2006, 21:24
I'm gonna have to go with Russia, The Russian High era campaign was the most challenging and fun campaign I had in MTW, trying to defend against the Mongol onslaught, so I say them just for that reason.
And their units from the preview look top notch and much more variety than MTW.
In alphabetical order:
Byzantines
Danes
Egyptians
English
Scots
Spanish
Venitians
Gee, can you tell I'm having a hard time deciding? ~D
Underdog687
09-16-2006, 02:29
Got to love England
Time to unite the United Kingdom the take france
Little Legioner
09-16-2006, 12:22
From the dusty steppes onto gates of city of emperors city of Constantine the Great city of Constantinople. It shall fall into our hands we'll rise a new empire by the help of Allah. Carry proudly Sultan's banner, Ride the horse over three continents, lead the valiant Janissaries to victory, hit the drum again and spread fear into your enemies heart.
This winter battlefields will shake under the feet of Ottoman armies.
edyzmedieval
09-16-2006, 17:13
Basileia ton Rhomaion!! :2thumbsup:
IrishArmenian
09-17-2006, 06:55
I cannot tell you until I actually play the game...
The Turks for sure. The best in the Medieval world. I like to defeat crusaders and make alliances between islamic factions. Become a powercenter of eastern europe and ruler of the islam. Trying to making historical borders of the Ottoman Empire. :2thumbsup: So get the city of constantinople and change its name to Istanbul :charge:
I think id have to go with the danes. They're by far the most enjoyable faction ive played as. Excellent naval superiority, and in a good spot to take lots of rebel provinces. Ace troops, and a good position on the map put the Danes at the top for me.
I did enjoy playing as the Byzantines, egyptians and hungary, but the Danes still take it :D
Im also quite intrested in playing some of thge new factions, ie. Scotland, and the unconquerable portugal!!
IrishArmenian
09-17-2006, 18:14
I think id have to go with the danes. They're by far the most enjoyable faction ive played as. Excellent naval superiority, and in a good spot to take lots of rebel provinces. Ace troops, and a good position on the map put the Danes at the top for me.
I did enjoy playing as the Byzantines, egyptians and hungary, but the Danes still take it :D
Im also quite intrested in playing some of thge new factions, ie. Scotland, and the unconquerable portugal!!
Wait, you've played the game already?
Turks make the game a bit unfair. I will play as the Danes! :2thumbsup:
Wait, you've played the game already?
I think he means in medieval 1 :P
Poland, but I can't vote for it because it's not in the country's list ! :dizzy2:
after Poland I will take Venice and after a muslim faction but I haven't decide wich one yet
Darth Nihilus
09-18-2006, 21:08
@ Scriba, sorry about that, I thought when I was making the poll I had them all listed. My bad.
Sun of Chersonesos
09-18-2006, 21:16
YA!
i went with venice because i like the look of the venetian heavy infatry, they're well armoured but effective against armour.
btw i didn't get the beta testing thing so if anyone's got a screenshot of the venetians choice of units on custom battle that'd be great ;)
Poland, but I can't vote for it because it's not in the country's list !
OK, I've added it now.
The Byzantines for sure.
Although it's nice to see the Scots as a full fledged faction in this incarnation of MTW.
It always feels good to play the Underdog
ChewieTobbacca
09-18-2006, 22:20
I wanted to say Turks, since they rocked in MTW, but Spain is an interesting choice. Now with Portugal as a faction, and the fact that there are so many factions in close proximity with Spain means that the Iberian Peninsula will be a place of many battles
Kralizec
09-18-2006, 23:44
A lot will depend on the game itself, but my favourite MTW1 faction is probably the Byzantines, followed by the Turks, followed by the Danes.
DisruptorX
09-19-2006, 00:14
I used to be a big heavy infantry fan (and still am) in MTW, however, Rome showed me the joys of horse archers, which I then brought back to Medieval.
I vote Turks! After them, I'll probably be playing as Russia and Poland. Russia was a fight for survival in MTW. I have many fond memories of my brave halberdiers holding off the Golden Horde with insane numbers of casualties on both sides.
NagatsukaShumi
09-19-2006, 01:10
Being the English always flames the passion for my countries history in me, so I just have to go with the English. This time I've got some Scots to sort out too :laugh4:
professorspatula
09-19-2006, 01:57
What the chap above said. The English. Now we got both frog and haggis eaters and their kings to slaughter -- from afar, with our cowardly excellent longbows!
IrishArmenian
09-19-2006, 02:10
I think he means in medieval 1 :P
Oh. hmm...~:doh: I feel like an idiot.
Oh. hmm...~:doh: I feel like an idiot.
Nah just a mistake it can happen to the best.Don't feel like an idiot :laugh4:
Well, I did vote for the Mongols, but as far as I know: we won´t be allowed to play them? Right?
Well, I did vote for the Mongols, but as far as I know: we won´t be allowed to play them? Right?
Right.
Sun of Chersonesos
09-19-2006, 16:16
BTW did anyone have the BETA Testing thing!?
Ok, so what do you guys think of the Timurids? what advantages do they give as a faction and what good units do they have?
I played a Turk campaign in MTW to the 1400s, but never had the time to finish it (RTW came out). Really looking forward to playing as them.
Guillaume le Batard
09-19-2006, 16:43
Off Topic
BTW did anyone have the BETA Testing thing!?
Am I missing something? Is this directed to people on this forum who are doing beta testing? Or has there been some sort of development that I've missed?
On Topic
Ok, so what do you guys think of the Timurids? what advantages do they give as a faction and what good units do they have?
Well, given my rather inept handling of economics, the advantage the Timurids will have in my games is that I won't be able to play them! :laugh4: As far as units go, I don't think that they've provided much insight on the Timurids as of yet. I'm gussing a lot of HA...?
Guillaume
Damm!
indeed :no: :shame:
I voted for the Golden Horde, they have a special place in my heart :p
Too bad they wont be playable in the campaign but it's alright, I'll have to play the crap out of them in Multiplayer/Custom.
Ellesthyan
09-19-2006, 22:12
Byzantium, surely. Though the new Italian city states look tempting... And what happened to Aragon? They didn't take them out just to have Scotland, did they? :inquisitive:
Byzantium, surely. Though the new Italian city states look tempting... And what happened to Aragon? They didn't take them out just to have Scotland, did they? :inquisitive:
More like Aragon was removed in favor of Portugal. So there will still be the 3-way war on the Iberian peninsula, just as in the original MTW.
All things being equal, however, I'd really like to see Aragon in the game as well. All that has more to do with the faction limit, however, which for some reason is much lower this time around. (I believe the faction limit in Medieval 2 is 21, whereas the faction limit in MTW is 30.)
I'd also like to have seen Aragon included. It wouldn't exactly hurt, even if they were a non playable faction that the player could mod in later. Better than nothing.
It was, initially, a much more important faction than Portugal, who I feel have been added due to the "new world" aspects, that come into play later.
Ignoramus
09-20-2006, 01:38
Except that Portugal didn't colonise North America.
IrishArmenian
09-20-2006, 03:17
Yes, but they paved the way because of Henry's school and their ships.
come on the aztecs! can't wait to see jaguar warriors pouncing on slow moving heavy platted knights!
rrrrooarrr!!! :2thumbsup:
The Danes all the way. Followed closely by the English (for the longbows) and the HRE
A. Smith
09-21-2006, 01:13
Yes, but they paved the way because of Henry's school and their ships.
And that they still colonized brazil. plus, they had a few famous explorers. Like Vasco de Gama, even though he salied to the real india (and not the india columbus discovered)
Egypt of course :2thumbsup: , I am an Egyptian...!
Regards/Ahmose
Considering Portugal will be in game and that i expect it to be somewhat similar to Spain unitwise, and since Spain was one of my Favorites in MTW... i have high hopes there. However, my absolute favorite faction to play in MTW were the Turks with their wonderful unit rooster.
I also always prefered sea empires than land heavy ones, like HRE.. i always avoided central Europe... and i understand there were some nice troops there to be found...
And that they still colonized brazil. plus, they had a few famous explorers. Like Vasco de Gama, even though he salied to the real india (and not the india columbus discovered)
Yes, Pedro Alvares Cabral discovered Brasil, and Magalhães (Magellan) was portuguese, although working for the Spanish when doing his circumnavigation. Before those there were plenty of others that went south along the African Coast, paving the way to Vasco da Gama.
IrishArmenian
09-22-2006, 04:36
Sadly, No Eire. I think rite now it is split between the Scotti and the Rus.
Dracula(Romanian Vlad Tepes)
09-22-2006, 14:29
I think the HRE are the best.They have heavy units.You can easily smash france and then invade england and you could conquer the iberian peninsula and the head east and vest to finish all
Darth Nihilus
09-22-2006, 16:40
The "best" faction in everyones opinion is going to be different. It all depends on how you play, where the starting location is (how many enemies are they bordering, do they have rich provinces), and what units that faction has. The HRE, for example probably has among the best units (I'm going by MTW1 here), but in my opinion has a horrible starting position being surrounded by many other countries. It is not exactly rich to start out with either. So as you can see, everyone is going to have a different opinion on who is the "best."
AL ZABIDI
09-22-2006, 17:02
I voted for the Timurids (i was also the only one :2thumbsup: ) although i heard that theyre not going to be playable. :wall: Please let them be in, please!
Alif :dizzy2:
I voted for the Timurids (i was also the only one :2thumbsup: ) although i heard that theyre not going to be playable. :wall: Please let them be in, please!
Alif :dizzy2:
They'll be in, but they won't be playable (along with the Aztecs, Golden Horde, and the Papacy).
BaldwinIV
09-23-2006, 08:46
I voted for Byzantium but I like France and HRE too.
The mongols will rule the world :jawdrop:
:charge: TURKS! Because they have good fighters, the sipahis and of course the Janissaries. Lets not forget they were the first to bring down walls with cannons! And so could invade Constantinople. To push your borders against Europe is so fun! And not to mention, I am Turkish :laugh4: .
They did not invade Constantinople because of cannons.
Somebody just left the door open
They did not invade Constantinople because of cannons.
Somebody just left the door open
They did? Well maybe, but as far as I know cannons were first used against walls at that battle. But I can't say if I'm right cuz 50% of what they teach about the Ottomans here in Turkey are biased :wall:. Unless you go to university... I believe it is similar in other countries too.
Not like the Ottomans defeated everyone, but like they got defeated at this battle because of bad weather conditions, and here they won a glorious victory. All victories are glorious, and all defeats are because of bad weather conditions :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: what nonsene
I might be a taking it a bit too far, but thats how it is until 8th grade. I hate how they make people nationalists with this kind of stuff.:wall: Nationalism sucks. (did I change the topic a bit here? :oops: ) :laugh4:
Sun of Chersonesos
09-25-2006, 17:18
so Denizar what's your opinion on the Moors and how do you think they will be? unit-wise.
i think that they will have light tough (and effective against armour attributes) warriors that wont be too good on the cav side.
If Turks is what you are referring to by saying moors, I can tell you what they should have, not I think they will have.
Next to this biased education I was talking about, I made detailed research on the Ottoman Empire, focusing on its land and military system. I have two essays (one almost complete), one about the army and one about the timar system, which is the land system of the empire. Actually, I can post a thread about this system on the history discussion part, when I do so I can PM you if you want.
The timar system, simply is:
The government puts units of land for rent - given to specific people (peasants) that are supposed to work the land and pay tax in return. These peasants are not slaves, just people who get to rent the land in exchange of paying tax to the government.
The government assigns these lands to specific men called timariots who get to collect these taxes for themselves, but in return support the military with sipahis which are Ottoman cavalrymen, armed with bow, spear, sword just like the Rohirrim guys in Lord of the Rings. The timariots have to summon one sipahi for each 3000 akce (akce is the ottoman currency) income from the land they hold.
In the best times of the Empire, the military was able to summon 100,000 cavalrymen, and this number almost reached 200,000 at one time. So the Turks, are supposed to have a lot of light cavalry.
On the other hand there were soldiers who got paid salaries, these soldiers were called kapikulu soldiers (janissaries were one of these). Usually they would be devshirmes meaning that they were Christians taken at young age, converted to Islam and thought in the best academies the arts of governing and war. So they were the "elite" part of the army. In answer to your question I can say that they should have access to a massive cavalry army, along with strong infantry.
I would love to post my extended essay on the Ottoman military here, however it is in Turkish. I shall translate it when I have time. I'm sure you will enjoy it.
The essay on the timar (land) system and the sipahi's (cavalrymen) is in English :laugh4: and will be completed in several days.
Sun of Chersonesos
09-25-2006, 18:08
umm useful info den however i was referring to the moors as in the moors, they are a faction in their own right
Sun of Chersonesos
09-25-2006, 18:14
now, as you can see on the right of this picture (https://img72.imageshack.us/img72/4759/factionbannersno2.jpg), you have the Turks which is the green background and crescent, then after you got the egyptians with the 3 little crescents on a yellow background and the Moors are the faction with the crescent facing upwards on the orange background
hmm, thats right, but I don't know about them.
But it seems like the Turks do have cavalry in the first period. "Lacking in heavy armour and early period infantry". This also is true because the sipahi's - the cavalrymen were supposed to arm themselves, and really you could not expect them to find heavy armour.
The mounted archers are not only archers though, they are equipped generally with spears and swords as well. So I believe that the Ottoman cavalry should have a balanced ranged/melee attack rather than a good ranged and an ineffective melee stat. Just imagine the Rohirrim in the Lord of the Rings. Their archer horsemen were not only archers, all of the cavalry both used bows and spears and swords etc. Its the same in the Ottoman Empire. So I don't think it is correct to have a mounted archer troop seperate from a light cavalry unit.
By the way you can find my essay on the timar system in the monastery part of the forum.
timsemand
09-25-2006, 18:40
Denmark!:2thumbsup: . most because i am danish.
Sun of Chersonesos
09-25-2006, 19:01
kl dude
hello it looks like the byzantines will not be one of the first 5 to start the game. Can some tell me this a, friend asked this we can tell the movie vedios from game play what he asked was the guys hitting them on the gorund with battleaxes putting those longswords thru them and pulling them out or stabing in back is that game play or the movie thanks
ciprianrusu
09-29-2006, 14:32
Had to be England (they have the Billmen, and the longbow people), but also the byzantine look very strong.
France because I'm French and they have the best western cavalery.:2thumbsup:
Darth Nihilus
09-29-2006, 16:11
After looking at some of the poll results, I'm floored that France hasn't gotten more votes. I suppose it may be because they had no unique units in the original. I'm even more suprised that the HRE with all of their awesome units isn't more popular.
I don't like the HRE empire because it's relatively large at the start, and surrounded by enemy factions.
While this could pose a great and fun challenge, i usually prefer to begin small and from a secure position.
Sun of Chersonesos
09-29-2006, 17:37
I agree,
the thing i liked about the Briton campaign in RTW was that you had these 3 cities where you would be able to recruit and send troops down to the lockland without anybody coming to invade.
DukeofSerbia
09-29-2006, 19:54
1. Russians - Slavs, Orthodox, Golden Horde arrives first on you...:2thumbsup:
2. Poland
3. Sicily
CaesarAugustus
09-30-2006, 01:49
Venetians because of my heritage............Byzantines would probably rank second.
blahblahblah
09-30-2006, 02:07
England, solely for their famous and gorgeous longbows.
Sun of Chersonesos
09-30-2006, 17:10
actually it looks to me that france has got better longbows than England
CrackerJap
09-30-2006, 17:14
I picked the Holy Roman Empire, they're just so cool.
Faenaris
10-01-2006, 16:43
England, I have played them a lot in MTW and expect to do so again in M2TW. I'm gonna give the HRE a good check-up too.
Voted for England,just because it's going to be the first faction I'll be playing,since the tutorial is more like an 'introduction' to the English campaign.
I certainly look forward to play factions like Sicily and the Moors,just because I like their positions : Sicily is in a good position for crusades,thus it will be easier for you to have a good relation ship with the pope (If you are only fighting muslim factions.)As Moors,I'm going to ally with the Egypts,then of course take Spain and invade the rest of Europe.Seems fun to me :laugh4: :2thumbsup:
Dave1984
10-01-2006, 20:57
actually it looks to me that france has got better longbows than England
If that is honestly true then I WILL mod this game before I even play it.
They don't, they just have a rare elite longbow unit the Scots Guard. The welsh/english longbowmen will likely be better, especially the armoured longbowmen.
Polemists
10-02-2006, 01:09
I agree and if you read the unit desciption it's a bodyguard unit. Meaning like most body guard unit's it's elite but it's small.
20-Scotts Guard
100-Longbowmen
I mean common :P
I still think as far as infantry bowmen go english will be best.
Kourutsu
10-02-2006, 01:17
Denmark. Great positon, and viking-esque soldiers. Can't wait to send a crusade in the name of the Danes!:charge:
Zimfan40
10-02-2006, 01:48
After looking at some of the poll results, I'm floored that France hasn't gotten more votes. I suppose it may be because they had no unique units in the original. I'm even more suprised that the HRE with all of their awesome units isn't more popular.
In the case of the former, I think it's because too many players are English and American. England has their 1,000 yr old rivalry with France and we Americans have our "freedom fries"(think that sounds silly? During the 2nd world war we called Saurkraut "liberty cabbage") ~;p. Now that they seem to have the best heavy cavalry in the game I'll have to give them a try, even if my friends mock me. :charge:
Kourutsu
10-02-2006, 02:40
Well, I think Americans dislike Frenchmen because they have a tendency to turn up their noses whenever our country is mentioned.
Zimfan40
10-02-2006, 02:51
Well, I think Americans dislike Frenchmen because they have a tendency to turn up their noses whenever our country is mentioned.
My father's friends back in Sicily said they do that to everybody. ~;p In fact, the Sicilians said the mainland Italians did it to them, too. And the Enlgish thought the French did it to them, and the French thought the English did it to them...I begin to note a pattern here...
blahblahblah
10-02-2006, 02:53
Shouldn't the English/Welsh longbowmen be the best longbow (or possibly foot archer, not including crossbows) in the game?
Norman controlled England, because that is the closest I'll get to a Norwegian faction - till somebody mods them in, that is.
Zimfan40
10-02-2006, 04:34
Norman controlled England, because that is the closest I'll get to a Norwegian faction - till somebody mods them in, that is.
Well, at least there's a battle of hastings Historical Battle the game, so for one short battle you can fight for the glory of the Nor(th)mans. ~:)
Byzantium firt and foremost, of course.
I mean... It's Byzantium ! It's not like anything could hold a candle to it when it comes to class and prestige.
And right at the second place, France of course. It's THE typical heavy-knight-and-castle-filled country. If anything can symbolise medieval time, it's France (with England as a second-rate wanabee).
No muslim love here, though. I like heavily armored armies :p
Randarkmaan
10-02-2006, 10:49
Norman controlled England, because that is the closest I'll get to a Norwegian faction - till somebody mods them in, that is.
Norman (and the Normans in particular) controlled England is pretty far from a Norwegian faction, especially considering their army. The closest thing you will get to Norway is Denmark and even that is pretty far off because Denmark has already by the start of the game adopted many 'European' fashions. Heavy cavalry wasn't used properly in Scandinavia until the very late 12th century and even then they weren't very good.
Unless ofcourse you meant that the Norman nobility were mostly descended from Norwegians... Though at this time they were more 'French'
scourgeofrome
10-02-2006, 20:42
I went with Venice (though Byzantines are second). I just like being the rich guy in the sea! Plus, if the pope makes me mad I just build up an army and beat him to a bloody pulp :). I like the Byzantines because they are the succesors to the Romans (unlike the HRE, the Byzantines were actually Romans).
Unless ofcourse you meant that the Norman nobility were mostly descended from Norwegians...
That was what I meant.
BaldwinIV
10-03-2006, 13:06
I went with Venice (though Byzantines are second). I just like being the rich guy in the sea! Plus, if the pope makes me mad I just build up an army and beat him to a bloody pulp :). I like the Byzantines because they are the succesors to the Romans (unlike the HRE, the Byzantines were actually Romans).
The Byzantines are Greeks not Romans but they keep a huge part of the old Roman traditions.
darsalon
10-03-2006, 17:24
Have to go with the flow here and go with the Byzantines. Favourite faction in MTW and hopefully they won't be ruined in their distinctiveness in MTW2 (from the looks of it I won't be too disappointed I think).
Secondary ones will be English as I want to try out Longbowmen and the Scots to try and change history.
BTW is it very sad that I'm taking holiday around the release date of the game? Am looking forward to it judging from screen shots and so on I've seen here.
That was what I meant.
I think the most important part it was the last part
"Though at this time they were more 'French'"
after 150 years of assimilation of French culture, language and blood they were more French than Normans.
Sun of Chersonesos
10-03-2006, 20:00
well im not sure, having seen those sherwood archers i'm beginning to doubt it.
ciprianrusu
10-04-2006, 09:38
The Byzantines are Greeks not Romans but they keep a huge part of the old Roman traditions.
Actually the Byzantium Empire was created by the roman emperor Diocletian. It's true that the city of Byzantium was established by the greeks, but as a true force and an empire was no doubt a roman creation, with roman emperors(although the official language in the medieval times would become the greek language). That's why it was called The Eastern Roman Empire.
BaldwinIV
10-04-2006, 14:01
Actually the Byzantium Empire was created by the roman emperor Diocletian. It's true that the city of Byzantium was established by the greeks, but as a true force and an empire was no doubt a roman creation, with roman emperors(although the official language in the medieval times would become the greek language). That's why it was called The Eastern Roman Empire.
This is true. But look at the other site. I am Bulgarian. My parents are Bulgarians too. Can I become a Roman? I don't think so. It is same with the Byzantines. Empire with mainly Greek, Slavic and Turkish population is impossible to become a "true" Roman Empire.
scourgeofrome
10-04-2006, 14:12
This is true. But look at the other site. I am Bulgarian. My parents are Bulgarians too. Can I become a Roman? I don't think so. It is same with the Byzantines. Empire with mainly Greek, Slavic and Turkish population is impossible to become a "true" Roman Empire.
I know that Byzantine Empire became a Greek/Middle Ages cultured region. I said they were "Romans" because they were the Eastern Part of the Empire and the true succesor to the Roman Empire while the HRE was a coalition of German states which didn't come under direct Roman control (except at a small time period during Augustus's regin).
BaldwinIV
10-04-2006, 15:05
I know that Byzantine Empire became a Greek/Middle Ages cultured region. I said they were "Romans" because they were the Eastern Part of the Empire and the true succesor to the Roman Empire while the HRE was a coalition of German states which didn't come under direct Roman control (except at a small time period during Augustus's regin).
Yes, they are succesors of the Roman empire but their core is Greek. This are my thoughts...
The Eastern Romans are interesting that it was such a diverse culture, just look at the ancient Roman Empire, you would see Celts, Gauls, Thracians, Ethiopians, Egyptians, Romans, etc. all within their cities.
As with the Byzantines in their heyday, it was the same. Turks, Armenians, Greeks, Latins, Slavs, Arabs, people from the Steppes and along the Silk Roads could be seen in the cities of the Eastern Romans.
Essentially, the Byzantines are Romans, even though they aren't Roman. It was a multiculturally diverse empire, which is appealing to me since many cities in Canada are diverse, such as Toronto and Vancouver. It is interesting to see that how people lived back then, could be so similar in a way we live right now.
Also, the Byzantines had a literate and educated population, just goes to show you knowledge is power. They didn't survive for over a thousand years for nothing you know, well considering the Eastern Roman empire is the surviving half of the Roman Empire, you can count that to maybe close to way over a thousand years maybe 1500. You get my point.
Either England cos I'm English and their units sound good or HRE cos I think it might suit my playing style more if they can get Swiss pikemen and Doppelsoldners.
Actually, if the Swiss aren't a faction in their own right who gets the Swiss pikemen? Or are they just mercenaries? I know historically they were mercenaries at times.
*Wishes there was a Hussite faction = War wagons, crossbowmen, pikes and flails*
Actually, if the Swiss aren't a faction in their own right who gets the Swiss pikemen? Or are they just mercenaries? I know historically they were mercenaries at times.
Well in MTW, Swiss Pikemen could be trained by anyone who owned Switzerland--at least for the Catholic factions (I'm drawing a blank as to whether the Muslim and Orthodox factions could as well). In Medieval 2, however, I'm guessing they'll appear as mercenaries, available to whoever occupies Switzerland.
Bob the Insane
10-06-2006, 19:08
Well in MTW, Swiss Pikemen could be trained by anyone who owned Switzerland--at least for the Catholic factions (I'm drawing a blank as to whether the Muslim and Orthodox factions could as well). In Medieval 2, however, I'm guessing they'll appear as mercenaries, available to whoever occupies Switzerland.
With VI installed did the Swiss not become and emergent faction in the normal campaign?
Basileus
10-06-2006, 19:27
This is true. But look at the other site. I am Bulgarian. My parents are Bulgarians too. Can I become a Roman? I don't think so. It is same with the Byzantines. Empire with mainly Greek, Slavic and Turkish population is impossible to become a "true" Roman Empire.
Your point of wiev is wrong though, youre comparing current day wiev on nations and compare them to the middle ages. The ppl of Byzantium might have been mostly Greek but they where Roman for almost 1300 years, at the big switch of populations during the 1920s between Greece-Turkey the Greeks from minor asia/pontus/konstaantinople still called them selfs romans and the Turks called their dialect roman. Dont forget that the name Byzantine is something from the 1800s and it was never called that during its time, it was a roman empire period and the ppl that lived there romans the same way ppl from diffrent nationalities in the US are all Americans.
With VI installed did the Swiss not become and emergent faction in the normal campaign?
Yes, the Swiss could emerge as their own faction, although it wasn't a guaranteed event. I believe that in order for the Swiss to appear in MTW, Switzerland must either be independent, or have low loyalty to the faction that possesses it. *And* it could only happen within a certain narrow timeframe, although I forget the exact year(s).
When they do show up, the Swiss usually don't expand, but they're tough to take out. I found out the hard way just how difficult it is to kill an 8-star Swiss King (and his bodyguard unit of 60 Swiss Pikemen). ~D
scourgeofrome
10-06-2006, 21:37
Yes, the Swiss could emerge as their own faction, although it wasn't a guaranteed event. I believe that in order for the Swiss to appear in MTW, Switzerland must either be independent, or have low loyalty to the faction that possesses it. *And* it could only happen within a certain narrow timeframe, although I forget the exact year(s).
When they do show up, the Swiss usually don't expand, but they're tough to take out. I found out the hard way just how difficult it is to kill an 8-star Swiss King (and his bodyguard unit of 60 Swiss Pikemen). ~D
Thats weird.Usually when I play the Swiss kick but and conquer quite a bit of land.Then I come and take them over.
Kavhan Isbul
10-06-2006, 22:13
Your point of wiev is wrong though, youre comparing current day wiev on nations and compare them to the middle ages. The ppl of Byzantium might have been mostly Greek but they where Roman for almost 1300 years, at the big switch of populations during the 1920s between Greece-Turkey the Greeks from minor asia/pontus/konstaantinople still called them selfs romans and the Turks called their dialect roman. Dont forget that the name Byzantine is something from the 1800s and it was never called that during its time, it was a roman empire period and the ppl that lived there romans the same way ppl from diffrent nationalities in the US are all Americans.
Basileus, you are right about many things, but I cannot help but jump in with the point of view of yet another Bulgarian. As you write yourself, it is absolutely true that the concept of nation did not exist, but there was a strong concept of ethnicity and people had a very clear idea of which one they beloged to - whether they were Greek, Armenian, Slav, etc. If you could go back in time and ask a trader from Thessalonika what he is, I am quite sure he will not reply that he is a "Roman", but he will most probably just mention that he is a Greek from Thessalonika. I completely agree with you that Bizantium is not the correct name and that it should be called the Eastern Roman Empire, but apart from the name, it was an Orthodox Empire, predominantly Greek in terms of population, ruled by Greeks (well, there was an occasional Armenian at the throne, but for the most part the Emperors were Greeks), with Greek as the official language. The clergy, together with the Patriarch were Greeks too, and they preached in Greek. Therefore, while there is no denying that the Eastern Roman Empire was a successor to Rome, I cannot agree that it was inhabited by Romans, and especially that its leaders were Romans, purely ethnically and culturally speaking.
Thats weird.Usually when I play the Swiss kick but and conquer quite a bit of land.Then I come and take them over.
Well more often than not in my games, the Swiss were surrounded by factions that were strong enough to prevent them from expanding anywhere. It didn't stop them from building up a strong army that made Switzerland very difficult to successfully invade, though. :wall:
scourgeofrome
10-07-2006, 03:15
In my games, the fact everyone had to worry about me weakend them.Besides, me and the Swiss were friends so it didn't matter.Truth,I only fought them if they prevented me from something like winning.More often than not, I won before swiss came anyways.But when they came, it was scary.But I liked their units. And cheese,don't forget the cheese.
IrishArmenian
10-07-2006, 04:24
Well, before everyone gets impatient: The Turkic peoples had not settled in Asia Minor yet, so there would be few to none of them in the Byzantine Empire.
England of course an play my King Henry V / Shakespearean role with Passion an Valour....
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by from this day until the ending of the world but we in it shall be remembered. We few, we happy few, we band of brothers, For he today who sheds his blood with me shall be my brother, Be he ne'er so vile, this day shall gentle his condition, and gentlemen in England now abed shall think themselves acursed they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whilst any speaks, that fought with us upon St. Crispin's day!
ShapolioKhan
10-15-2006, 19:11
There were 2 Great Empires on earth until now.
1. Roman Empire
2. Ottoman Empire
The reason "why" is not only their borders.
Life Time, Infulence on worlds "rounding", shaping the world...
Between 11th and 18th centuries Turks ruled the world...
as Rome did some in BC and until Hun Turks came and moved the other factions on Rome...
England.
I'd pay the cash just to fight the battle of Agincourt in glorious graphical greatness. All the rest is gravy.
Zalmoxis
10-15-2006, 19:25
Byzantine, closest thing to any Romanian faction, plus they have a cool name and their army looks great.
The Spartan (Returns)
10-15-2006, 19:32
HRE, Spain, and Scotland.
For gaming Byzantium at least in MTW1, they are in a cool position, between Islam and Europe, they have some cool units and their history is fascinating, in addition the fact that they are doomed in reality makes it all the more enjoyable to rule from Madrid to Jerusalem.
i change my vote, england is now my 2nd favorite :P. my new favorite is sicily, looking at the preview, their heavy infantry look awesome, and they have the crossbowmen with shields to protect them while they reload.
also, sicily is an island, easy to defend, with easy access to africa, the islands to the west, and greece-all of those are great port cities for trade and to dominate the mediterranean. with the easy access to africa, ill be able to get to the crusades faster and eliminate all the islamic factions.
ill probably play sicily than england, then sicily and england again but the second times try taking over western europe and not bothering with crusades to make for some nice heavy infantry vs heavy infantry fights and a lot of castle fights. also i would love to invade an island like britain while playing sicily or invade an island like sicily while playing england :P
Lord Janos
10-15-2006, 22:34
I am actually deciding whether I should play as the Spanish or the French for my first game. I am moving towards the French, as their cavalry is good fun, their foot soldiers aren't bad, and I quite like their colours too. Their military situation is somewhat difficult, what with England to their North, Spain to their West, and HRE to their right. Three equally powerful neighbours who would jump at the chance to invade France. I'd enjoy that campaign I think, so I feel that they will be close to my heart because they will probably be my first faction. But I can't really decide 100%, so I answered "Cannot Decide".
Erm ... English, cause I'm ... erm ... English ~:)
Filipe24
10-16-2006, 00:02
Portugal all the way, normally a faction that is always overlooked, gonna enjoy taking the iberian peninsula and move my way up taking out the french and the english. The english will be used to that as we always take them out in football anyway lolol
Kourutsu
10-16-2006, 00:20
Scotland! I want the guilty pleasure of using those inaccurate, yet awesome, highlanders.
scourgeofrome
10-16-2006, 02:28
I'm probably playing as either Venice or Milan because
1.Italy was fun for me in MTW
2.Venice has an easy defensive position
3.I love Italian food (:laugh4:)
4.Easy access to the pope (easier to influence him)
5.Venice should be able to make a lot of money,which I need.
i am going to go with the english first as I think they will have some fun troops and will be one of the easier factions, so a good introdcution to get used to the game. Plus it will be immensely satisfying to bash the scot and the frog.
i think i will try sicily after that as i imagine them being fairly difficult and will on the whole be operating in a different geographical region, + you are in a good position to start slaying the islams.
My fav faction is definitly england basically because of their position and longbowmen. I also have a urge to play as scotland, and destroy england.
Hmmm...should be fun! :juggle2:
Praetorian308
10-24-2006, 03:53
The almighty Holy Roman Empire for me.
They are my ancestors.
I have many fond memories as them in the origanal Medieval.
I love heavy infantry, heavy cavalry, and gunpowder.
PwnageBot2000
10-24-2006, 04:26
C'mon guys! Where are the French supporters? I'm from there or anything but i've seen no french supporting comments (unless i've overlooked them). With those scott guards and crossbow men, plus they're awesome knights, they're sure to pwn....
btw...i'm actually a byzantium supporter:yes:
Basilios II Voulgaroktonos
10-24-2006, 12:23
The Eastern Romans are interesting that it was such a diverse culture, just look at the ancient Roman Empire, you would see Celts, Gauls, Thracians, Ethiopians, Egyptians, Romans, etc. all within their cities.
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thats not totally true because after that the eastern roman empire was <<greeklised>>(i dont know how to write it diferentlly)the greek element consumed the roman one(Byzantine empire is a mixure of greek and some roman population) and as for the others.ethiopians gauls agyptians and the rest,they were only the 10% of the pop of the empire because of the domiantion of the greek culture and population...
I will definately play as the Byzantines because they carry the legacy of the Roman empire and the glory of the ancient greek cities-states and kingdoms...
And a bit because i am greek:2thumbsup:
Basilios II Voulgaroktonos
10-24-2006, 12:37
Between 11th and 18th centuries Turks ruled the world...as Rome did some in BC and until Hun Turks came and moved the other factions on Rome...
I am very interested to know where did you learn history my friend!!!the turks ruled the world from 11th until 18thcentury?LOL thats a very interesting aponion but you maybe FIXED it your self because in the 11th century in the dynasty of Komnhnoi in Byzantium the greek have pulled out the turks from the greek soil and after the death of Suleiman the magnificent in the 16th century,if i am not mistaken,the ottoman empire was always in decline.as it losted all the wars(agaisnt the russians 2 wars,against the austrians and the greek rebelion and more which i dont remember now...)and almost all its territory!!!
Basilios II Voulgaroktonos
10-24-2006, 12:41
I know that Byzantine Empire became a Greek/Middle Ages cultured region. I said they were "Romans" because they were the Eastern Part of the Empire and the true succesor to the Roman Empire while the HRE was a coalition of German states which didn't come under direct Roman control (except at a small time period during Augustus's regin).
Thats correct because in the middle ages the word greek and roman was the same thing as they were the mixsture of greek-romans in the roman eastern part.when other nations refered to them they were calling them or greek or romans and the empire was known as the roman empire.the term byzantine empire came much after
Basilios II Voulgaroktonos
10-24-2006, 12:43
The Byzantines are Greeks not Romans but they keep a huge part of the old Roman traditions.
thats wrong cause as i said again the romans and the greeks were the same in the middle ages as the greeks consumed the romans.and the greek byzantium WAS the roman empire!!!
Basilios II Voulgaroktonos
10-24-2006, 12:47
It is same with the Byzantines. Empire with mainly Greek, Slavic and Turkish population is impossible to become a "true" Roman Empire.
in the byzantine empire lived only greeks or greek-romans if you prefer and turkish slavic population was a very small minority of the population.and you want to know the ancient romans when they conquered greece,but even before when they came in contact with the greek elememt in the southern italy they got the same culture the same gods and the same traditions.that was the 1st step of the greek-roman cultural,political and ethnical unification
Basilios II Voulgaroktonos
10-24-2006, 12:56
Basileia ton Rhomaion!! :2thumbsup:
thts it my lad<<Basileia ton Romaion>>thts the tru spirit.You have stydied greek or you have found it somewhere?
Basileus, you are right about many things, but I cannot help but jump in with the point of view of yet another Bulgarian. As you write yourself, it is absolutely true that the concept of nation did not exist, but there was a strong concept of ethnicity and people had a very clear idea of which one they beloged to - whether they were Greek, Armenian, Slav, etc. If you could go back in time and ask a trader from Thessalonika what he is, I am quite sure he will not reply that he is a "Roman", but he will most probably just mention that he is a Greek from Thessalonika. I completely agree with you that Bizantium is not the correct name and that it should be called the Eastern Roman Empire, but apart from the name, it was an Orthodox Empire, predominantly Greek in terms of population, ruled by Greeks (well, there was an occasional Armenian at the throne, but for the most part the Emperors were Greeks), with Greek as the official language. The clergy, together with the Patriarch were Greeks too, and they preached in Greek. Therefore, while there is no denying that the Eastern Roman Empire was a successor to Rome, I cannot agree that it was inhabited by Romans, and especially that its leaders were Romans, purely ethnically and culturally speaking.
I would have to disagree, people within the ERE would not have thought of themselves as greek, and it is wrong to describe the majority of the emporers as greek as they would not have thought about themselves in this manner.
greek ethnicity is a very tangled concept as greek cultural and political dominance (particularly post alexander) made greek the lingua franca, and many people who were not ethnically greek ended up adopting it. a rough equivelant would be how presently speaking english as a first language does not make someone ethnically english.
thus the emperors were not "greek" they would have understood themselves to be roman, and it just happens that they were born in an area where greek was the predominant language.
KING LEONIDAS
10-24-2006, 15:20
Hi to everyone
My favorite faction is the Byzantines
thts it my lad<<Basileia ton Romaion>>thts the tru spirit.You have stydied greek or you have found it somewhere?
I studied greek for three years ^^
I am very interested to know where did you learn history my friend!!!the turks ruled the world from 11th until 18thcentury?LOL thats a very interesting aponion but you maybe FIXED it your self because in the 11th century in the dynasty of Komnhnoi in Byzantium the greek have pulled out the turks from the greek soil and after the death of Suleiman the magnificent in the 16th century,if i am not mistaken,the ottoman empire was always in decline.as it losted all the wars(agaisnt the russians 2 wars,against the austrians and the greek rebelion and more which i dont remember now...)and almost all its territory!!!
Though I am not claiming the turks ruled the world from 11th until 18th century, you are clearly wrong about dating the Ottoman decline already in the 16th century. That's just two centuries too early.
I'm not understanding your 11th century comment either, as in that century the greater Saljuq Sultanate was founded, as well as the Saljuq Sultanate of Rum (Or sometimes called the Roman Sultanate). Manzikert happened in that century as well.
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