Medieval Total War CTDs and Solutions [Archive]

LeftEyeNine

09-17-2006, 20:08

Since it seems that Medieval Total War 's CTDs seem endless, we need a sticky over here to gather general methods to overcome this problem. Credits go to all those that dealt with this hassle and figured out something to help.

Above all usual routine of checking your all kinds of drivers and DirectX being up-to-date, here are the options you may try to solve your situation with MTW. Please use this thread to ask for help if none of these options work for you, instead of opening a new seperate thread. Here we go:

MTW is an old buddy, so that sometimes updated video drivers bug him. Therefore, especially if you have a 5xxx series Nvidia graphics card, try reverting your video drivers to v61.76's, credited to be the most compatible graphics driver with MTW. However if you have a newer generation gfx card compared to 5xxx, this set may cause problems all over, may not even be a solution for MTW.
How to revert to an older set of drivers in a clean way:

1- Download Nvidia ForceWare v61.76 (http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_2k_61.76.html) (Windows XP/2000 version. Browse to Nvidia.com for other OS versions). Do not install yet.
2- Uninstall your current gfx drivers from Add/Remove Program through your Control Panel which can be accessed through Start button of your Windows.
3- Get Driver Cleaner Professional (http://www.drivercleaner.net/professional.php) and install it. The download link is a bit down the page. (Program also has a commercial version called Platinum which promises to have been better optimized, but this free version will do the trick for us)
4- Restart your computer and when your PC is about to load windows press F8 button to bring up loading options of Windows. Choose Safe Mode, hit enter and let it load windows that way.
5- When Safe Mode is loaded, it may give you a warning saying what this Safe Mode is all about. Just click right away to get it fully open.
6- Now run Driver Cleaner Professional. Since this is the Safe Mode where there are no visual supports, hence screen resolution is low, you may not be able to find the shorcut on your desktop. In that case you may try browsing your Program Files folder and find Driver Cleaner there and run its .exe from that location.
7- Now that you have Driver Cleaner Pro run, you must select Nvidia from Cleaning Selection dropdown menu.
8- Click Start and let it do the job. When it is finished you'll see Cleaning Finished! message at the bottom of the program window.
9- It's time to restart your PC after all thorough cleaning, so be it.
10- When you are normally logged into Wndows, it may say New Hardware Found blah blah, just click cancel and install old version drivers which were already downloaded. It will ask for another restart, and when that is done, you're done with downgrading your driver set peacefully.

Another fix (recommended generally to Nvidia 6xxx/7xxx owners) is forcing Antialiasing 2x. This is done by:1- Right Click your desktop and Properties > Settings > Advanced.
2- Look for the tab labelled by your graphics card model name.
3- Click "Performance & Quality Settings" from the panel opened leftwards.
4- Under General Driver Settings there should be a box telling the name of the settings and their values, such as "Antialiasing - Application Controlled", "Anisotropic Filtering - Application Controlled" and so on. Now you should left click where it says Antialiasing. You should see that there is a checkbox saying "Application Controlled" ticked. Remove the tick, so that now the slider is controllable. Draw the slider right for once, it should be now under 2x. Click Apply, then OK, another OK to close this window with modified settings. Voila!

Try playing with Strategy Map and Battle Map resolutions. For example it always used to crush when I set the Strategy Map Resolution any higher than 800*600. It is also said that keeping both Strategy Map and Battle Map resolutions equal helps.

As we have mentioned by the beginning, MTW does not get on well with newer GPU's. If you have such gear, you may try disabling AGP Texture Acceleration. Here is how:1- Click Start, Run...
2- Type "dxdiag" without hyphens.
3- If it asks for something related to WHQL, you can say "No" to skip that stuff and get to DirectX Diagnostics window right away.
4- When you're there, click "Display" tab up there. And then find "AGP Texture Acceleration" somewhere in the middle. It is probably already enabled, so click Disable button next to it to get done. Click Exit to close this window now.

So it is all this for now. If you have any other solution, feel free to contact me by PM so I can update the info gathered here.

Thanks again to all contributors who helped solving this issue.

:bow:

ULC

11-30-2006, 19:00

Hi I'm new and having problems loading the campaign map. When it loads, it immediately sends me to the campaign map options menu (I don't see the campaign map). If I try to go back, it just loops endlessly. I have a ATI Rage Fury Pro/xpert2000. I also bought a prophet and should be getting it soon. Will installing the Prophet solve my problem, or can it be solved with the graphics card I have now?

TancredTheNorman

01-26-2007, 07:22

I am having that exact same problem.

It is just back and forth I never get to see the campaign map, and my computer is not new at all.

tekheppicor

02-27-2007, 13:43

Dutch_guy

02-27-2007, 14:29

Hi, this may be a little outdated but i recently got a copy of MTW and i have the CTD error. I have STW and it runs fine which is what irks me. I have a Radeon 7000 series whatever that means and I was able to get MTW to run on my junker comp no problem with some nightmare old Nvdia I believe but that comp cant handle more then a few hundred men on screen at a time. Any solution would be great, until then I guess I'll just conquer Japan.... again.....

What are your exact specs, RAM, OS, drivers (new, or outdated) and the such.

And where does it crash, after loading a save, or at the start of a campaign.

Lastly, have you tried the AA fix, if yes, does the problem persist even after that ?

:balloon2:

tekheppicor

02-27-2007, 15:54

Windows xp
2.4 gig cpu
640 mb ram

Radeon 7000 series driver version 6.14.10.6360
Also noticed this under display adapters

Intel 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphics controller driver version 6.14.10.3691

looks like the drivers haven't been updated since mid 2003 but the more I read the more it looked like thats where I wanted to be

by AA I believe you mean anti aliasing, I have tried some but I'm a little confused. I have under the display properties/settings/advanced two tabs that have AA filters. The first, OpenGL has it disabled by default and so I tried enabling it at 2x (didnt try 4x yet I'm not computer literate enough to feel comfortable tinkering with too much with out guidance) and the game seemed to run for about 2 minutes longer then normal (3 min) total with out crash. The other tab is Direct3D which has the checkbox application preference marked and AA set by default to 4x and greyed out, I have to uncheck the app. pref. box to manually move the aa and once again, not literate enough to just go in on a whim.

The game crashes once the campaign has been loaded, normally within the first turn, most often when I right click on anything to read the description but a fair amount of crashes doing anything else. Single battle is fine. Tuturiol crashed. STW runs like a dream. I've tried looking for info on the Radeon Drivers but everyone seems to be talking about Ndvia, personally I'm not even sure if a radeon is even able to hold up with the game, I don't use this comp for much gaming, just a nice breather inbetween work. Thanks for quick response and any help you can give.

Chris

caravel

02-27-2007, 17:15

You may want to try different drivers for the Radeon 7000. You have Catalyst 3.5 installed as far as I can tell. Those are quite old and may have been buggy. I don't know of anyone that uses those drivers with MTW. Follow the instructions in this post:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1414550&postcount=140

AA doesn't really affect Radeons as such, the 2x AA fix applies to Nvidia only IIRC.

Intel 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphics controller driver version 6.14.10.3691
You may want to disable that also, as it could be part of the problem. That is your onboard graphics chip. It should not even be there, as it should auto disable when a graphics card is present in the AGP slot. To disable it you may need to go into the CMOS setup and change the Integrated Graphics Chip from either:

1) Auto -> Disabled
2) Enabled -> Auto

(they differ from one type of bios to another, though the second is more common)

tekheppicor

02-27-2007, 20:51

Alright I did everything that was suggested and now we have a little progress. I am able to play for about 5 mins and advance a turn or two before the crash. I tried the different screen resolutions and found that 1024 by 768 seems to work best for strat map, everything still crashes tho after a few turns. Any other suggestions? It definately seems like you guys were on the right path, prolly have had to help with this problem quiet a bit from the looks of it. Thanks again

Chris

tekheppicor

02-28-2007, 01:00

Just an update. It definately seems like the game crashes when I click on the right mouse button to bring up info on something. Not always the first time but everytime its crashing now its when I am right clicking something.... if that helps. Anyone heard of that?

caravel

02-28-2007, 09:26

Did you follow the instructions in my post? If so which driver have you downloaded?

tekheppicor

02-28-2007, 11:23

caravel

02-28-2007, 11:46

Yes I did. I dled and installed the Omega 2.6.53 drivers (based on Catalyst 5.7) as per the directions. I was a little unclear on how to disable the graphics chip, i was able to just right click it and select disable, not this CMOS you were talking about. (i think)
Did you uninstall the old drviers and run driver cleaner first? Considering you're installing over a much older version, this shouldn't be a problem, but you never know, also some of the old control panel settings may have stuck which you don't want. I don't like how you've disabled the graphics chip. You really need to go into the CMOS setup to do that, but if you don't know how to get into that in the first place it's probably best left alone for now. I had a similar problem to you, with newer drivers. When clicking on a province after fighting a battle, the game would crash. I solved it all with the Omega 2.6.53 suggested to me by Geezer57. I can run RTW ok with those drivers as well and, because they're Omega, you don't have to install the .NET crapware.

tekheppicor

02-28-2007, 12:42

Yes I did uninstall old drivers and run driver cleaner. What screen res. do you have your desktop set to as well as in game? If you tell me where to go for CMOS I can do it, i just dont snoop around on my own

sapi

02-28-2007, 13:39

For screen res, if you're using a lcd there's a native res you should always be running on.

If you're using a crt it doesn't really matter

caravel

02-28-2007, 14:07

If you have a CRT you can try setting the desktop resolution to the same as the game uses and also setting 16 bit colour. This sometimes makes a difference. I doubt that is related to your problem though.

Disabling the onboard graphics may turn out to be a wild goose chase. The game isn't using it so it should be a problem. Disabling it is the safest bet though, to safely eliminate it as a possible cause. To do this you wil need to supply info as to your PC's make and model number if it is a branded machine or the motherboard's make and model number if it's a custom build. The biggest problem with branded machines and some motherboards is that the onboard graphics chip often cannot be disabled at all. You'd think this wouldn't be a problem, but I've seen quite a few instances where it has been.

flaskhals

03-27-2007, 03:13

moomo

03-30-2007, 03:13

After a few serious starting problems with MTW I got to the part where I can not exit game in the proper way
The game freezes on exit and everything else with it (reboot needed).
Anyone have a clue....feel free to share it.
I know I can alt+tab or ctrl+alt+delete

caravel

03-30-2007, 09:23

Hi, ive got the same problem as described before. When i try to start a campaign i always end up in the main many again.

I figure that this has something to do with my graphics card, or rather my lack of it. Im trying to run the game on my laptop wich uses integrated graphics, the Intel Mobile 945GM chip.
In the settings of the graphics i cant change antialiasing, so is that whats wrong?

Could you give me any tips to get me going, or should i give up?
thanks
Welcome, flaskhals, to the .org :bow:

The integrated graphics could well be your problem. I have read a few posts concerning this type of graphics chip and MTW not working well in the past. I fear you may be out of luck. The antialiasing fix applies to Nvidia graphics cards only AFAIK, and not Intel. You could try messing with some of the settings. Try turning as much off as possible, and then enabling one at a time and testing. Try the lowest resolution, it will probably look ugly because it won't match your lcd's native resolution but it may be that the campaign map won't work at that res. Apart from that I can't really suggest anything. :shrug:

After a few serious starting problems with MTW I got to the part where I can not exit game in the proper way
The game freezes on exit and everything else with it (reboot needed).
Anyone have a clue....feel free to share it.
I know I can alt+tab or ctrl+alt+delete
Are you sure a reboot is needed? I have the same problem and have been unable to solve it so far. I just ctrl+alt+del and kill the MTW process. The problem only occurs if I've loaded to the campaign map, by either starting a new campaign or by loading an old campaign. If I run the game and immediately exit, or run the game and play a quick battle and then exit, it terminates normally. See if you have the same problem.

Post up some hardware specs also.

:bow:

moomo

04-02-2007, 01:32

Caravel,

After a "quick battle" the game would exit normally.
After entering the campaign menu it would only exit with Ctrl+alt+del.
This was one test made to confront your post. I've noticed from the begining the differnece but didnt payed much attention.
Really, my problem is that MTW doesn't always accept Ctrl+alt+del, but often enough in requires a reboot (freeyes everything) which is altogether another thing in terms of using and ending an application.

I could give "some" specs althogh i think they are nor relevant to the problem:

Time of this report: 4/2/2007, 03:19:21
Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.061219-0316)
Language: English
System Manufacturer: System manufacturer
System Model: System Product Name
BIOS: BIOS Date: 08/21/06 20:34:40 Ver: 08.00.12
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3800+, MMX, 3DNow, ~2.4GHz
Memory: 1024MB RAM
Page File: 533MB used, 1928MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode

Display Devices
---------------
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GT
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce 7900 GT
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0291&SUBSYS_40001682&REV_A1
Display Memory: 256.0 MB
Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (75Hz)
Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.9131 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 8/24/2006 04:03:38, 4529408 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: n/a
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
Mini VDD Date: 8/24/2006 04:03:38, 3925920 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-41D1-11CF-9956-0A6000C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x0291
SubSys ID: 0x40001682
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Video Accel:
Deinterlace Caps: n/a
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Disabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run

-------------
Sound Devices
-------------
Description: Sound Blaster Audigy
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0007&SUBSYS_100A1102&REV_00
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: P17.sys
Driver Version: 5.12.0001.0512 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: n/a
Date and Size: 7/7/2005 11:14:30, 1389056 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: CREATIVE
HW Accel Level: Full
Cap Flags: 0x0
Min/Max Sample Rate: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: Yes
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: Yes, Yes
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
Registry: OK
Sound Test Result: Not run

caravel

04-03-2007, 00:04

I take it you've tried the 2x antialiasing fix? If so then I can only suggest installing an older driver for your card, and see how that goes.

caravel

04-03-2007, 00:18

Ok I've just run a test I've been meaning to do for ages. The crash on exit appears to be indirectly related to the wav sound that is played when you exit the game. I have tried exiting with sound disabled and the problem doesn't occur. The game exits instantly. The sound always delays the games exit anyway, but if it hangs, then the game won't be able to exit at all. I've tried replacing the file with a smaller wav file used for the sliders but it has the same result.

-Edit: Ok I have a temporary fix to the crash on exit problem:

1) Browse to the "\...\Medieval - Total War\Sounds\Frontend" folder
2) Rename "quit_game.wav" to "quit_game.bak"

This doesn't throw any kind of an error message, it just delays very slightly when you click to confirm the exit and then the program exits normally. This is all I can suggest until another solution is available.

I believe the problem may be caused by the program trying to quit too early before the sound has finished playing, this may be a side effect of a faster graphics card, as I've never had this problem with my previous graphics cards, only with the ATI Radeon 9800.

-Edit: It doesn't always work. I still get the crash on exit most of the time.... :shrug:

moomo

04-03-2007, 23:55

I've played with the antialising options with no noticeable effects.

I won't try the "quit_game" to bak since it was no certain effects.

My card won't like an older driver and I think this is aside the problem since the card has no problem rendering ingame.

I'll forcefully terminate the game before it will make me reset.
Thanks for the tips anyway. Talking on a problem is a good thing in itself.
Some nice people inhere.~:grouphug:

caravel

04-05-2007, 13:15

I've played with the antialising options with no noticeable effects.
No, I was confused there. The 2x AA stops the CTD when loading the campaign map that some Nvidia users were having.

I won't try the "quit_game" to bak since it was no certain effects.
Don't bother with that, for some reason it worked once :confused: but has never worked since.

My card won't like an older driver and I think this is aside the problem since the card has no problem rendering ingame.
I think you're right. Older drivers help when you have ingame rendering problems and/or CTDs they don't seem to help with the crash on exit.

I'll forcefully terminate the game before it will make me reset.
Thanks for the tips anyway. Talking on a problem is a good thing in itself.
Some nice people inhere.~:grouphug:
I still have to CTRL+ALT+DEL and kill the MTW process, looks like we'll have to live with it for now. :shrug:

dgfred

04-16-2007, 20:15

Trying to get back into the game, but having CTD problems every time on single campaigns. I've tried having my display and game settings to 800/600
and 1024/768 but the same thing happens. The only difference I know of
since I had it loaded last is that I now have Take Command: Second Manassas loaded (memory hog) and it plays fine. When loading MTW it
crashes back to the Resume/Save/Load/etc screen every time. Then if
I click Resume game, it will CTD.

Any advice you guys can give would be greatly appreciated. :help:

icarus0626

05-02-2007, 23:38

hi.. i'm new here and this is my first post. :help:

i'm getting quite desperate in finding a fix to that pesky CTD problem
that i am on the verge of using the game CD as a frisbee to get my money's worth of enjoyment out of it.. :shame:

my first instinct was to download a patch. and i got one that's v1.1 but it still gives me the CTD. then i've read thru a bunch of forum threads (some even dating from 2002! you think they would've made a working patch by now :dizzy2: ) 'coz i've already installed the patch. got the newest drivers as stated in the readme file. (didn't work). went online and read something about "downgrading" the drivers, installing the directx that came with the cd, manually changing anti-aliasing 2x, fiddling around with the resolutions of both in-game and my pc, switching on/off the AGP acceleration, adjusting the virtual memory to system controlled, playing the game on MUTE, and THEN i followed the steps mentioned on this thread. but still nothing works.. i don't get it!!

i can play MTW single player campaign. but if i do certain stuff.. (ie: if i click on a certain unit or province on a certain given time.. i get a CTD) which is stupid. 'coz i can play the game just fine for several turns and i can get around some of those glitches as long as i reload the game and don't do the stuff that caused me to CTD for several turns in the first place so i can't see the logic of the drivers getting involved. 'coz if it is i wouldn't be able to play the single player campaign at all..

this CTD error is blatantly IN-GAME..
i also read the error log and some threads that this line could be the problem.

C:\Crusaders\main3d_1.cpp(1720) : DirectX call : DDERR_SURFACELOST

which is non-existent in my drive nor the two discs..
is there a patch or fix or whatever to remove that? i also read that MTW was supposed to be called 'crusaders' and that this code was a bunch of leftover coding.

i also read that it might be something to do with the safedisk copy protection something.. that gets buggy if you have a cd burning utility installed (yep, i tried uninstalling Nero but it still didn't work) :skull:

i'm on my wits end guys.. i keep playing the BGMs by Jeff van Dyck from the game as i have vivid dreams of those glorious battles when i fought off 2 crusades simultaneosly on the same turn. when the pope declared we weren't good buddies..

arrgh!! this is so frustrating!!! :wall:

icarus0626

05-03-2007, 02:50

sorry about the previous post.. (i thought the 'B' icon on the right side was for bold :oops:

anyway.. i got so desperate that i tried installing cracks and no cd launchers to no avail.. so i've been scrying more threads and forums looking for a fix to the CTD problem, but i can't find any process that actually works 100% of the time.. (it's practically a hit or miss deal with everybody)

so i ended up here and reread my post.. searched for the edit post button (couldn't find one) 'coz i forgot to put in my PC specs on my previous post.

here goes:

os: windows xp SP2
processor: AMD Duron 1.1 ghz
ram: 512mb
videocard: Tornado GeForce4 MX440-8x 128mb

anyway.. i hope to get replies soon.. 'coz i'm running on empty..
i keep holding the game disc over the trash bin and end up cuddling it like a baby..

how can this UNGODLY great game be so.. ~:mecry: *sniff*

Crian

05-03-2007, 08:58

I used the exact same video card you have for 5 years before finally upgrading. I never had a single problem with it related to Medieval TW, maybe I had a CTD once or twice but never too often to have a lasting impact on my enjoyment.

Have you tried reinstalling MTW from scratch? Uninstall then manually delete the game folder afterwards. Usually works....

caravel

05-03-2007, 09:34

if so. can you run MTW without it CTDing?

+can you post here a link to the nvidia driver you used?

+did you patch the game to 1.1?

+what are the in-game settings you used?

+what's your desktop's screen resolution?

+what are the settings of your anti-aliasing and anisotropic filter?

any help would be greatly appreciated.. :sweatdrop:
+I don't use this card, but I do know that it has been troublesome for others in the past. I would advise that you switch to using a driver of the 44.xx series or earlier. Get driver cleaner pro, and remove the existing drivers before you install any more.

+If you have MTW you always need to patch the game to v1.1. If you have MTW+VI (Viking Invasion) you always need to patch the game to 2.01.

+For the Nvidia card you should always enable the 2x AA

+The desktop resolution and colour depth should be the same as the in game resolution and colour depth. I believe that MTW only makes use of 16bit colour and not 24 or 32bit, so have the desktop the same is a good idea and eliminates any potential CTDs that mode switching may cause. You may be able to change back to whichever resolution you wish once you're sure this is not causing the problem.

+I'm not sure AF would make a difference, though you should turn it off for now.

hi.. i'm new here and this is my first post. :help:

i'm getting quite desperate in finding a fix to that pesky CTD problem
that i am on the verge of using the game CD as a frisbee to get my money's worth of enjoyment out of it.. :shame:
If you're going to use anything as a frisbee use that graphics card as one. Don't lose hope as yet. You should be able to get this working with some time and effort. If all else fails then I'd advise you to replace that card, with something not quite as unreliable and dated, though second hand, cheap and cheerful (not just yet though).

my first instinct was to download a patch. and i got one that's v1.1 but it still gives me the CTD. then i've read thru a bunch of forum threads (some even dating from 2002! you think they would've made a working patch by now :dizzy2: ) 'coz i've already installed the patch.
They have made a working patch, the problem is more so hardware/drivers, and less so the game itself. Patch 1.1 is the latest patch (unless you have VI) and is required.

got the newest drivers as stated in the readme file. (didn't work). went online and read something about "downgrading" the drivers, installing the directx that came with the cd, manually changing anti-aliasing 2x, fiddling around with the resolutions of both in-game and my pc, switching on/off the AGP acceleration, adjusting the virtual memory to system controlled, playing the game on MUTE, and THEN i followed the steps mentioned on this thread. but still nothing works.. i don't get it!!
The newest drivers never seem to be the best, as far as MTW is concerned, and they're often never the best when older graphics cards are concerned. Those drivers are probably not the very latest Nvidia have to offer, but they probably include optimisations and functionality for Geforce4, FX and later cards that your card doesn't support. So you've often very little to gain from installing them except maybe compatibility with some newer games.

Downgrading involves cleaning, and cleaning involves getting driver cleaner (http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=745) in order to clear off all of the old bits and pieces the previous driver leaves behind, to give you a completely fresh install.

Leave the AGP acceleration off for now. You say you've downgraded to the DirectX version on the CD? I can't remember what version of DirectX was on the MTW CD but I'm sure VI came with DirectX 9.0(?) This pretty much means MTW 1.1 will also run on DirectX 9.0. I would advise you to stick with DirectX 9.0c for now and not downgrade DriectX.

i can play MTW single player campaign. but if i do certain stuff.. (ie: if i click on a certain unit or province on a certain given time.. i get a CTD) which is stupid. 'coz i can play the game just fine for several turns and i can get around some of those glitches as long as i reload the game and don't do the stuff that caused me to CTD for several turns in the first place so i can't see the logic of the drivers getting involved. 'coz if it is i wouldn't be able to play the single player campaign at all..
Strangely enough I had this same problem and I have an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB AGP. If for example I went into a battle and returned and then clicked on a province: boom! CTD. I also had a strange corrupted icon along the bottom left had side of the screen. Installing older drivers fixed this and no more CTDs.

this CTD error is blatantly IN-GAME..
i also read the error log and some threads that this line could be the problem.

C:\Crusaders\main3d_1.cpp(1720) : DirectX call : DDERR_SURFACELOST
I also had that error in my logs from the CTDs I was having. It is not a Direct3D problem but a DirectDraw one, this suggests drivers, or an incompatibility with the drivers, as the likely culprit. Some people have this error in their logs but don't experience crashes so it seems very platform specific as to whether it CTDs or not.

which is non-existent in my drive nor the two discs..
is there a patch or fix or whatever to remove that? i also read that MTW was supposed to be called 'crusaders' and that this code was a bunch of leftover coding.
Disregard it, that directory path is just an error message, it doesn't relate to your PC but a C++ source file in a folder on a developers' workstation. MTW was originally going to be called "Crusader: Total War", happily this was not to be.

i also read that it might be something to do with the safedisk copy protection something.. that gets buggy if you have a cd burning utility installed (yep, i tried uninstalling Nero but it still didn't work) :skull:
Not related. The safedisk issue can cause the disc to be unrecogniseable in some disc drives and may be related to the Nero/Winice/softice debugger/Divx codec problem. If you have this problem the game won't even start. To be doubly sure of that add a text file called "skipcredits.txt" to the same folder as your "Medieval_TW.exe". The text file should be empty. This will cause the program to skip the into video and credits and go straight to the menu.

anyway.. i got so desperate that i tried installing cracks and no cd launchers to no avail.. so i've been scrying more threads and forums looking for a fix to the CTD problem, but i can't find any process that actually works 100% of the time.. (it's practically a hit or miss deal with everybody)
Avoid the no cd stuff, as it can be corrupt and cause more ctds as well as potentially containing viruses and other malware. Personally I have two CD drives and the VI CD just stays in one of them permanently. That's a lot easier than trawling warez sites looking for dodgy no cd cracks.

so i ended up here and reread my post.. searched for the edit post button (couldn't find one) 'coz i forgot to put in my PC specs on my previous post.

here goes:

os: windows xp SP2
processor: AMD Duron 1.1 ghz
ram: 512mb
videocard: Tornado GeForce4 MX440-8x 128mb
You should be able to run the game with no problems, as I've said earlier it's your graphics card that is the problem. Searching the forums revealed others having similar problems with your card. Definitely get driver cleaner, and download the 44.03 (http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp-2k_44.03.html) driver. Uninstall your old Nvidia drivers from the control panel, do not restart, run driver cleaner and remove all nvidia related stuff, then restart. Remember to re-enable the 2x AA if necessary. If that driver fails, go to this page (http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp-2k_archive.html) (near the bottom) and try all of the drivers in sequence earlier than 44.03 until you find one that works. Remember to run driver cleaner, clean off all of the Nvidia related stuff, and do a restart between each driver reinstall.

Do you have any details on your motherboard?

Do you understand how to enter the BIOS setup? If so you may want to decrease the AGP aperture to as small as possible and disable the AGP texture acceleration from dxdiag.

icarus0626

05-05-2007, 12:33

i can't believe my noodles!! it actually works!! :2thumbsup:
you've just saved my soul!! i am so much into the worship of you.. :laugh4:

but now i'm thinking of getting a new vid card and scrapping the old one..
:smash: *smash!!

any suggestions? hopefully something i can use to play MTW2 and other modern games that needs pixel shaders, etc and at the same time run MTW..
:juggle2: preferably something that can run MTW on a more recent driver... or something.. :sweatdrop:

edyzmedieval

05-10-2007, 22:03

HELP ME!!! :help:

Im really desperate. I'm getting a CTD when I enter the campaign. My settings:

- unit size: HUGE
- camp map resolution: 1152x8(something)
- battlemap resolution: 1280x1024

Intel Pentium IV 3.2
512MB DDRII
ATI RADEON X700 256MB

Help me please. It's patched to 2.1

brkill

05-11-2007, 12:36

HELP!!:help:

Guys, I'm new to the forum. And I need your help desperately.

My problem is I have just recently bought a copy of Medieval Total War (Gold Edition) which includes the Viking Invasion pack but it will not run for me.

I have a Pentium 3 with 933mhz processor, WinXP Home (SP 2), and GeForce 2 graphics card with 256mb of RAM. I know it is an old machine but I am well over the specs to run the game. But when I double click the start icon the screen goes black for a few moments and then a warning dialog appears telling me the I am running a debugger and the game won't go any further.

How do I know if a debugger is actually running and how do I deactivate it?

I am dying to try out my game and I'm getting very frustrated as I have tried everything. I hope someone on this forum can help and my apologies if I am posting in the wrong section of the forum.

Many thanks in advance.

caravel

05-11-2007, 16:34

i can't believe my noodles!! it actually works!! :2thumbsup:
you've just saved my soul!! i am so much into the worship of you.. :laugh4:
Glad you got it working icarus0626 :2thumbsup:

It would be helpful to others if you could detail exactly what you did and what it was that worked? :bow:

but now i'm thinking of getting a new vid card and scrapping the old one..
:smash: *smash!!

any suggestions? hopefully something i can use to play MTW2 and other modern games that needs pixel shaders, etc and at the same time run MTW..
:juggle2: preferably something that can run MTW on a more recent driver... or something.. :sweatdrop:
In doing this you will open up the "new graphics card won't run MTW" can of worms. Also, and I'm going by your 1.1GHz AMD Duron CPU here, you system seems rather low end, and probably doesn't have a motherboard with PCIe slots? In all honesty you're looking at a new system. If you want to get a cheap, not quite as dated, stopgap card to replace that one (though I'm not even sure that's worth it) post up a new thread in the hardware and software forum and see what suggestions people come up with. :shrug:

HELP ME!!! :help:

Im really desperate. I'm getting a CTD when I enter the campaign. My settings:

- unit size: HUGE
- camp map resolution: 1152x8(something)
- battlemap resolution: 1280x1024

Intel Pentium IV 3.2
512MB DDRII
ATI RADEON X700 256MB

Help me please. It's patched to 2.1
Which ATI driver version? If it's the latest drivers, that could be your problem. That is not to say that the latest drivers or newer cards are always the cause of this but it is very common.

Is it an AGP card? If so disable the "AGP Texture Acceleration" from dxdiag.

Try lower resolutions, such as 1024*768. Set your desktop (temporarily) to the same (and 16 bit colour) and see if that eliminates it.

When exactly does the crash occur? Check your MTW error.log file and post up contents here.

Add the "skipcredits.txt" file to the MTW working directory if you haven't done so already.

HELP!!:help:

Guys, I'm new to the forum. And I need your help desperately.

My problem is I have just recently bought a copy of Medieval Total War (Gold Edition) which includes the Viking Invasion pack but it will not run for me.
Welcome to the .org brkill :bow:

I have a Pentium 3 with 933mhz processor, WinXP Home (SP 2), and GeForce 2 graphics card with 256mb of RAM. I know it is an old machine but I am well over the specs to run the game. But when I double click the start icon the screen goes black for a few moments and then a warning dialog appears telling me the I am running a debugger and the game won't go any further.

How do I know if a debugger is actually running and how do I deactivate it?

I am dying to try out my game and I'm getting very frustrated as I have tried everything. I hope someone on this forum can help and my apologies if I am posting in the wrong section of the forum.

Many thanks in advance.
Do you have Nero Burning ROM installed? I believe this to be due to a "conflict" between the supposed "debugger" (something to do with the video codec) in Nero and the safedisc copy protection software (basically the idea seems to be that a debugger may allow someone to trace the program execution and perhaps observe how the safedisc works, so to be safe it disallows it (yes it's crapware that tells you what you can and cannot run on your own computer and it doesn't work properly either :thumbsup:)). If you do have Nero installed go to start -> run and type (you can copy and paste):

regsvr32 /u "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Ahead\DSFilter\NeVideo.ax"

This will unregister the component (the video decoder) that is causing the problem. If it fails it may be because you've installed Nero to a different location to the one above. In this case you'll need to edit the path to match your location or it won't do anything. Reboot after this and try to run MTW again.

You will lose some functionality of Nero but you can re-enable this functionality when necessary by doing:

"regsvr32 "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Ahead\DSFilter\NeVideo.ax"

To disable it run the first command again (at least I think that will work, but have your Nero CD handy just in case).

If Nero isn't causing this then it could be another program, though it's usually Nero 99% of the time, depending on what you have installed on your PC?

edyzmedieval

05-11-2007, 18:06

Which ATI driver version? If it's the latest drivers, that could be your problem. That is not to say that the latest drivers or newer cards are always the cause of this but it is very common.

Is it an AGP card? If so disable the "AGP Texture Acceleration" from dxdiag.

Try lower resolutions, such as 1024*768. Set your desktop (temporarily) to the same (and 16 bit colour) and see if that eliminates it.

When exactly does the crash occur? Check your MTW error.log file and post up contents here.

Add the "skipcredits.txt" file to the MTW working directory if you haven't done so already.

Something like 6.5 I think. Dunno, I have to check this. It's a PCI Express 16x card, really new. Lower resolutions, will try it.

Ok, will check everything and post.

caravel

05-11-2007, 19:36

Something like 6.5 I think. Dunno, I have to check this. It's a PCI Express 16x card, really new. Lower resolutions, will try it.

Ok, will check everything and post.
If that fails try following the instructions in this post:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1414550&postcount=140

Considering your card does fit the category of the pre X1xxx series mentioned, it may do the trick.

Good luck.

:bow:

Arruda

05-12-2007, 13:35

Hello, new to the forum, glad I found it because everyone here seems helpfull.

I just bought Total War: Eras

I have a graphics problem wich I can't find a solution. I installed Shogun TW and Medieval TW (the problem is exactly the same for both games). When I try to run the games, I receive an error prompt that says something like "To run this software your screen resolution should be no less than 800x600".

That's just it. The game simply doesn't launch, I never got to see the main menu. I already had bought RTW so, thus far, buying this box was totally uselless to me :(

I obviously have a much higher resolution than 800x600 and I tried lowering it and switching to different display settings but nothing worked.

This seems to be a different problem than many of the posters here refered, so I haven't tried the steps in the first post regarding cleaning the drivers and installing old ones. Should I???

My computer is a Pentium IV 2.8 GHz with 1GB of Ram.

The graphics gard is a Nvidia Geforce FX5500 (oh noooooooooooo...)

Well, if you need more information about my system please ask, I know very little about computers but I'll sort it out.

Thank you all.

caravel

05-12-2007, 19:32

Hello, new to the forum, glad I found it because everyone here seems helpfull.
Welcome, Arruda, to the .org

I just bought Total War: Eras

I have a graphics problem wich I can't find a solution. I installed Shogun TW and Medieval TW (the problem is exactly the same for both games). When I try to run the games, I receive an error prompt that says something like "To run this software your screen resolution should be no less than 800x600".

That's just it. The game simply doesn't launch, I never got to see the main menu. I already had bought RTW so, thus far, buying this box was totally uselless to me :(

I obviously have a much higher resolution than 800x600 and I tried lowering it and switching to different display settings but nothing worked.
The only obvious thing I can think of at the moment is drivers, which version are you running?

Also it may be that the the game is trying to display on the primary/secondary head. That is, since the card is dual head perhaps the game is trying to output to the other unused head? A long shot but I can't think of anything else off hand. Is you monitor an LCD or CRT?

This seems to be a different problem than many of the posters here refered, so I haven't tried the steps in the first post regarding cleaning the drivers and installing old ones. Should I???
First find out which version of the drivers you are using currently using.

My computer is a Pentium IV 2.8 GHz with 1GB of Ram.

The graphics gard is a Nvidia Geforce FX5500 (oh noooooooooooo...)

Well, if you need more information about my system please ask, I know very little about computers but I'll sort it out.

Thank you all.
That is an older NV34 based budget line card but should still run the game. The only other thing I can suggest is enabling the 2x AA and leaving it enabled. If it makes no difference still leave it enabled. Some more system info would be useful, and particularly which head you've connected the graphics card to. Also did you try the "skipcredits.txt" fix mentioned above in case it's just the intro video causing the problem?

brkill

05-14-2007, 10:50

Thanks Guys

It was Nero causing the problem. I have removed it and the game is working except for the FMVs. I think there is a fix for that issue also here some where.

:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

caravel

05-14-2007, 14:36

Glad to hear it's working, though you needn't have uninstalled Nero if you'd have followed the instructions on unregistering the video decoder in post #32.

:bow:

Smytt

05-15-2007, 09:28

Hey!

I have this problem... I've installed Medieval: Total war once again. I've played it many times but I wanted to play it once again. But I have this problem. When I run the start icon the only thing I get is music on a black screen. When I press alt+tab I get to see a picture for less than a second.
How can I fix this problem? How can I get a picture so I could play?

p.s. I've installed patch 1.1, I've done the thingy with this NERO problem, but the screen is still pitch black.

caravel

05-15-2007, 15:49

Welcome Smytt :bow:

I have this problem... I've installed Medieval: Total war once again.

p.s. I've installed patch 1.1,
Do you have just Medieval Total War or MTW and Viking Invasion?

When I run the start icon the only thing I get is music on a black screen. When I press alt+tab I get to see a picture for less than a second.
How can I fix this problem? How can I get a picture so I could play?
Did you add the "skipcredits.txt" text file to the Medieval Total War working directory?

I've done the thingy with this NERO problem, but the screen is still pitch black.
What have you done as regards Nero?

Post up your system specs.

Anzcsas

05-31-2007, 06:49

Hi, i have the gold Total war, and when i go to play the cam(pain in the ass)
it crashes me to desktop, i can play quick battles and all that well, but when to playing on the 2D map it just crashes to desktop, help please

caravel

05-31-2007, 10:37

See post #32 your solution is there near the bottom. Follow the instructions from the third paragraph from the bottom that starts with "Do you have Nero Burning Rom Installed?".

Mithrandir

05-31-2007, 15:50

Haven't read this entire thread, but I've searched the fora and it came up with nothing...

I installed MTW and VI yesterday with the official 2.01 patch but when I try to start MTW it says "This application cannot start because it couldn't locate BugslayerUtil.dll. Reinstalling this application may help to solve this problem."

WinXP btw.

caravel

05-31-2007, 22:22

That is a small program that ships with MTW and should be in the working directory of "Medieval_TW.exe". I have tried running MTW without it and it works so I doubt that's your problem. It is bound to be another kind of crash causing/triggering it. I haven't seen it mentioned before either. Have you looked at all of the possible causes, solutions and workarounds in this thread?

Leveller Mutineer

06-11-2007, 15:59

Wotcha All

Had Medieval total war for several years with no problems. Recently I've loaded Shogun Total war gold edition. Now I've hit a problem.

I can use historical campaigns, historical battles and custom battles ok, but I can't use the full campaign mode or access my (extensive) saved files on MTW or use it on STW (although, again, I can fight battles). The last time I updated my video card is last year sometime. When I click on a saved campaign, for example, The bar comes up, travels slowly half way as usual, and then instantly fills up and either sends me to the 'resume game' screen or dumps me out completely. Which is a bugger as I'm just about to take the Western powers roughly from behind.:wall:

I've reinstalled it to no avail and tried to start new campaigns but to no avail. Please help.

Processor: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 1.70GHz
Memory: 382MB RAM
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
Card name: Intel(R) 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphics Controller
Manufacturer: Intel Corporation
Chip type: Intel(R) 82845G Graphics Controller

caravel

06-11-2007, 16:44

Leveller Mutineer

06-11-2007, 19:22

Wotcha Caravel

Yeah, I meant updated the driver. It's been running alright for several years, even on the update. It just seems to not work anymore. Don't know why. STW is a recent purchase and it's never worked on the campaign. in fact I've just uninstalled it and MTW campaign still doesn't work.

It's a desktop computer.

Thanks for your time.

caravel

06-11-2007, 21:12

If I'm reading your previous post correctly, then it seems that it stopped working after you installed STW, but was working before that when you were playing MTW?

You also said that you updated the graphics card drivers, and in the case of STW/MTW updating drivers is not always a good thing. Older drivers that were out at around the time of the games release and shortly after are often the most suitable. Are you sure that the campaign map didn't stop working after you updated the drivers? Is this possible, and can you try a driver rollback?

When installing STW did you install DirectX? (I'm sure you didn't but it's worth checking) I've noticed that the DirectX installation in all of the 1st gen. TW games doesn't seem to detect that you have a newer version installed, and I think it might install the older version over the newer version if you let it. Go to start, run and enter "dxdiag" to check your DirectX version.

With regard to the graphics card I really think you should consider buying one, even if it's a cheap used graphics card on ebay that is nicely in line with your system in terms of age and spec. The first thing you need to find out, if you decide to go down that route, is if your system actually has an AGP slot to accept a graphics card.

BIGFATWOB

06-12-2007, 22:51

Hello, I'm surprised you guys aren't sick of this by now, but here goes. I am trying to play MTW vanilla 1.1, but when I try single player it crashes to desktop and when I try campaign tutorial it just returns me to the main menu with the bottom 1/4 of the screen missing. :furious3:

I am running it on a Dell Laptop with
intel celeron 1.4Ghz
528(ish) meg of ram

and an integrated chipset which seems to be something like this:
DirectX* Version: 9.0
Physical Memory: 503 MB
Minimum Graphics Memory: 8 MB
Maximum Graphics Memory: 128 MB
Graphics Memory in Use: 9 MB
Processor: x86 family 6 Model 13 Stepping 8
Processor Speed: 1396 MHZ
Vendor ID: 8086
Device ID: 2592
Device Revision: 03

I think it's called
Mobile Intel(R) 915GM/GMS,910GML Express chipset family

Can anyone help me out? :help:

caravel

06-12-2007, 23:34

Hello, I'm surprised you guys aren't sick of this by now, but here goes.
Welcome to the .org BIGFATWOB, we're not sick of it just trying to find a solution for everyone on all types of platforms. :bow:

I am trying to play MTW vanilla 1.1, but when I try single player it crashes to desktop and when I try campaign tutorial it just returns me to the main menu with the bottom 1/4 of the screen missing. :furious3:

I am running it on a Dell Laptop with
intel celeron 1.4Ghz
528(ish) meg of ram

and an integrated chipset which seems to be something like this:
DirectX* Version: 9.0
Physical Memory: 503 MB
Minimum Graphics Memory: 8 MB
Maximum Graphics Memory: 128 MB
Graphics Memory in Use: 9 MB
Processor: x86 family 6 Model 13 Stepping 8
Processor Speed: 1396 MHZ
Vendor ID: 8086
Device ID: 2592
Device Revision: 03

I think it's called
Mobile Intel(R) 915GM/GMS,910GML Express chipset family

Can anyone help me out? :help:
I'm afraid it's the integrated Intel graphics problem again. I wish there was something I could suggest but we've had little feedback either way on these chipsets. It would be great if someone would help us out more with this. :shrug:

Leveller Mutineer

06-16-2007, 14:00

Wotcha Caravel

Rolled back to a previous driver and it now works on both games. Forgot I was attempting to get another game to work and updated the graphics driver (which wasn't the problem anyway).

Thanks for your time.

LM

caravel

06-16-2007, 22:38

Thanks for the feeback Leveller Mutineer, it seems that the older drivers may do the trick for Intel chipsets also. Anyone with Intel integrated graphics may want to try this.

:bow:

Omanes Alexandrapolites

06-20-2007, 17:46

Hullo,
I'm sorry to irritate you guys with an annoying request, yet please may I request information on the newest available ATi drivers that are suitable for use in Vista with an ATi Radeon Xpress 200M 319MB (integrated graphics chip) and with M:TW. I recently bought a laptop to play M:TW and similar older games on and it, unfortunately, came with the wrong specs. Kindly though, the retailer offered me a partial refund for keeping it in my possession, so I'm not willing to give it away. I've found a very useful list of drivers somewhere, although, most unfortunately, they are not named or described for their suitability and age. Thanks very much for any help provided, cheers!

Sandeu

07-21-2007, 03:08

I too am having this CTD, I can't even start a Campaign the game CTD. I can play hours of quick battles, historical battles, custom battles, but as soon as I start a campaign it crashes. I've tried the 2X AA fix, tried old video drivers, as far back as my card would go back too.

Anyway here is the error file generated.

Errors for session started: Fri Jul 20 20:34:08 2007

C:\Med_Patch\Crusaders_TW\bmradar.cpp(287) : File Error : fopen(".\RadarMap\HillyCoastal07.map", "wb") - "No such file or directory"(2)
Errors for session started: Fri Jul 20 21:13:33 2007

C:\Med_Patch\Crusaders_TW\frontend_globals.cpp(1074) : Error : "No such file or directory"(2)
C:\Med_Patch\Crusaders_TW\bmradar.cpp(287) : File Error : fopen(".\RadarMap\flatinland17.map", "wb") - "No such file or directory"(2)
C:\Med_Patch\Crusaders_TW\bmradar.cpp(287) : File Error : fopen(".\RadarMap\flatinland17.map", "wb") - "No such file or directory"(2)
C:\Med_Patch\Crusaders_TW\bmradar.cpp(287) : File Error : fopen(".\RadarMap\FlatToHillsInland06.map", "wb") - "No such file or directory"(2)
Errors for session started: Fri Jul 20 21:43:11 2007

C:\Med_Patch\Crusaders_TW\bmradar.cpp(287) : File Error : fopen(".\RadarMap\HillyCoastal10.map", "wb") - "No such file or directory"(2)

Win XP Home SP2
ATI Radeon X1300 Pro (CAT 7.6, just drivers no CCC, I use ATI tool tray)
1.2 Gig RAM
Audigy 2
DirectX 9.0c

Sandeu

07-21-2007, 03:20

I too am having this CTD, I can't even start a Campaign the game CTD. I can play hours of quick battles, historical battles, custom battles, but as soon as I start a campaign it crashes. I've tried the 2X AA fix, tried old video drivers, as far back as my card would go back too.

Anyway here is the error file generated.

Errors for session started: Fri Jul 20 20:34:08 2007

C:\Med_Patch\Crusaders_TW\bmradar.cpp(287) : File Error : fopen(".\RadarMap\HillyCoastal07.map", "wb") - "No such file or directory"(2)
Errors for session started: Fri Jul 20 21:13:33 2007

C:\Med_Patch\Crusaders_TW\frontend_globals.cpp(1074) : Error : "No such file or directory"(2)
C:\Med_Patch\Crusaders_TW\bmradar.cpp(287) : File Error : fopen(".\RadarMap\flatinland17.map", "wb") - "No such file or directory"(2)
C:\Med_Patch\Crusaders_TW\bmradar.cpp(287) : File Error : fopen(".\RadarMap\flatinland17.map", "wb") - "No such file or directory"(2)
C:\Med_Patch\Crusaders_TW\bmradar.cpp(287) : File Error : fopen(".\RadarMap\FlatToHillsInland06.map", "wb") - "No such file or directory"(2)
Errors for session started: Fri Jul 20 21:43:11 2007

C:\Med_Patch\Crusaders_TW\bmradar.cpp(287) : File Error : fopen(".\RadarMap\HillyCoastal10.map", "wb") - "No such file or directory"(2)

Win XP Home SP2
AMD 64 3200 (2.2 Ghz)
ATI Radeon X1300 Pro (CAT 7.6, just drivers no CCC, I use ATI tool tray)
1.2 Gig RAM
Audigy 2
DirectX 9.0c

caravel

07-21-2007, 17:37

If you only run Medieval Total War and no newer games, then downgrading the driver may be the answer.

2x AA won't help you, that fix is only for Nvidia based graphics cards.

Get driver cleaner pro here http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=745, uninstall your ATI drivers, run driver cleaner and remove everything ATI related. Download and install the Radeon Omega Drivers 2.6.53 (Catalyst 5.7) drivers from here http://www.omegadrivers.net/archive.php

If that doesn't work you're probably out of luck.

Carcanus

07-28-2007, 01:25

Hello everyone.

I was recently cleaning my basement when I stumbled across MTW. I hadn't remember ever playing it before. Much to my dismay, I learned about the CTD problem the hard way. It crashes every time I try to start a campaign or the campaign tutorial. I've done some research, and the problem seems to be my graphics chip. I havent gotten around to purchasing a card.

So I'm stuck with the Intel 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV for now. I've heard that MTW actually runs with this if used with the proper driver. I have one of the newer drivers for this chip actually. I tried an earlier driver version, but it wasnt even compatible with Windows (go figure). I can't really "Roll Back" my drivers because I already downloaded the nonfunctional one and re-downloaded this one twice.

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone could confirm that MTW will actually run with this chip, and if so, I was wondering if anyone happened to have the driver version (and a download link if possible).

The campaign mode of this game seems incredibly fun and deep, and I wanted to get started on it. Any help would be appreciated. Until then, I'll keep looking for old drivers.

caravel

07-29-2007, 12:30

If no one can recommend the version that works best then maybe you can try to find it yourself? This (http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Filter_Results.aspx?strOSs=44&strTypes=all&ProductID=865&OSFullName=Windows*%20XP%20Professional&lang=eng&sType=prev) is the driver archive for the Intel 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV.

1) You should download the previous driver first, and start with that one and work backwards.

2) Go to add/remove programs and remove all of the Intel Extreme graphics drivers and control panels

3) Download driver cleaner Pro install and run it. Remove the "Intel Extreme" this will remove all of your current drivers. Reboot and when the new hardware found appears, leave it.

4) Install the driver you downloaded and reboot again. Test MTW campaign game and see if it works.

If it doesn't work move on to the next (older) driver and repeat steps 2 to 4.

Ace of Spades

07-30-2007, 13:22

I just recently decided to play MTW:VI again but I ran into a problem. The intro plays & I pick an era & a faction to play. The loading screen comes up (where it says "Medieval Total War" on the background and a red bar that fills up as the game loads up). As soon as the red bar fills up, I get a CTD!!! The last I played MTW:VI was around the end of 2005. I had to get Xp re-installed because of some other problem & just never reloaded it. The only thing that I had done since then to my comp was doubled my RAM and upgraded my graphics card. I had seen in prior posts about a problem with newer NVIDIA cards & drivers, but it seemed those posters were at least able to play a little before the CTD. Could this be the same problem? I never had a problem playing MTW before & don't have any problems with any other games I'm playing.

My specs:

Dell Dimension 4500
Windows XP
2.26 GHz Processor, 1Gb RAM
Nvidia GeForce 6200 with 256 Mb RAM

Any help would be appreciated! :bow:

Dutch_guy

07-30-2007, 16:57

I had seen in prior posts about a problem with newer NVIDIA cards & drivers, but it seemed those posters were at least able to play a little before the CTD. Could this be the same problem? I never had a problem playing MTW before & don't have any problems with any other games I'm playing.

My specs:

Dell Dimension 4500
Windows XP
2.26 GHz Processor, 1Gb RAM
Nvidia GeForce 6200 with 256 Mb RAM

Any help would be appreciated! :bow:

Well, I suppose trying the AA fix wouldn't hurt. Your problem does sound like those experienced by many, including myself, at some point - so I'd simply try and see if it works out.

:balloon2:

Ace of Spades

07-31-2007, 04:19

Well, I suppose trying the AA fix wouldn't hurt. Your problem does sound like those experienced by many, including myself, at some point - so I'd simply try and see if it works out.

:balloon2:

That did the trick! Thanks Dutch guy!

Dutch_guy

07-31-2007, 16:17

That did the trick! Thanks Dutch guy!

Great !

Now have fun playing ! :2thumbsup:

:balloon2:

Carcanus

08-07-2007, 04:09

Thanks for the help Caravel, I found the right driver.:beam:

For anyone using the Intel 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV:

At least one driver that can run MTW is version 6.14.10.3722
You may need to go to the archive on the Intel site, as it's pretty old
Some other drivers might work, but this is the only one I've found.

caravel

08-09-2007, 21:34

That's great news Carcanus, and thanks for reporting back with the version that worked for you, hopefully it may also work for others that are having similar problems.

:bow:

loopy00

08-11-2007, 20:58

CARAVEL PLEASE HELP.

Been pulling my hair out, and found this thread. Read your responses, and I'm betting you can help.
Basically, I get the CTD, but its right after the total war animation at the beginning. I see this, then a split second of the Sega screen (I have Gold edition) and then CTD. Every damn time.

I was thinking it was a Vista thing, but the guy you just helped has an Intel Chipset like me and he got fixed up with old drivers.

Anyways, seeing as its crashing at startup, and not during the game or dtarting a campaign like everyone else, is there any hope for me??

ANY advice will be very appreciated. I have been spending a lOT of time fiddling with lettings and searching the net. (It actually took a google of the error report for me to find this thread, Now I have some hope again!!)

Please and thank you mate!!
(let me know if there is anyother info you need, I ll be checking a lot)

loopy00

08-11-2007, 22:43

In case you need it here's the Intel info.
INTEL (R) 82801G chipset
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950
from what I can gather on the Intel site my 950 is part of the accel. 945 "family"

I'm pretty computer literate, though I have never added OLD drivers before. So before I do I want to see if you think there is at least a chance this will fix it.

Thank you!:dizzy2:

caravel

08-12-2007, 01:41

First, create the file "skipcredits.txt" (an plain empty text file) in your MTW working directory (the folder that contains the file "Medieval_TW.exe". Try running the game again. The "credits" (opening movies) should not run and the game should instead dump you directly at the main menu, if the movies are visible for even a second or you still think they're running, then "skipcredits.txt" is either not in the correct folder or not named correctly. Ensure you have done this before proceeding.

There are two pages of drivers here, start with the previous version to your current version and work backwards. http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Filter_Results.aspx?strOSs=44&strTypes=all&ProductID=2102&OSFullName=Windows*%20XP%20Professional&lang=eng&sType=prev

Follow the same instructions as above in my response to Carcanus (use Driver Cleaner Pro to remove the old drivers - then install the new ones, rinse and repeat etc).

loopy00

08-12-2007, 02:15

Thanks for the info, mate.
Ok, I added the text file - no change:no:

Just to make sure I'm being clear: it does TW animation, then it SKIPS the CAscreen/Intro movie thing, and goes right to the screen that is usually shown AFTER the whole movie intro. (I only know this because I can play it on my XP desktop. And it is on this Sega screen where it is shown for only a split second and the ctd. So essentially the whole movie intro is already failing (i guess).

Please let me know what you think. I there something else I should try before I try the drivers? I have no problem waiting to hear from you.

Seriously, man. Thank you so much for your help, and for giving me some hope with this.

Loop

loopy00

08-12-2007, 02:43

Ok. Check this out...weird.
After we talked about the intro movie, it was on my mind so i went looking in the files.
In main MTW directory, in the folder CREDITS, then LEGAL, there are two .MPG files. One for the Short TW splash, and the other (labeled intro)for the CA screen and the intro movie.
Here's where it gets weird...

BOTH of these play normal on my XP system, but on my Vista problematic laptop, the TW splash plays normal and with normal sounds, but the CA/ Intro movie? It plays, with no sound, at like 10x's the normal speed!The whole movie, which is over 1 minute long is over in like 12 seconds. I'd be quick to blame VISTA as I often do, but it plays in just the regular Windows Media player, and the again, the other .MPG played fine.

Once I saw that this was not the case on my other system, I got real suspicious. Corrupt file of some sort? Should I try another reinstall (tomorrow)? Have you ever heard of this?

Sorry to blab, but I thought this was odd, and also feel it must be related somehow.

Thanks for reading!:wall:

Loop

caravel

08-12-2007, 12:44

You don't seem to have gotten skipcredits.txt in the right place, but as you've now found the videos, simply rename them from a .mpg extension to a .mp_ extension. This should bypass them entirely. If that still doesn't work then it's on to the drivers:

There are two pages of drivers here, start with the previous version to your current version and work backwards. http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Filter_Results.aspx?strOSs=44&strTypes=all&ProductID=2102&OSFullName=Windows*%20XP%20Professional&lang=eng&sType=prev

Follow the same instructions as above in my response to Carcanus...

If no one can recommend the version that works best then maybe you can try to find it yourself?

1) You should download the previous driver first, and start with that one and work backwards.

2) Go to add/remove programs and remove all of the Intel Extreme graphics drivers and control panels

3) Download driver cleaner Pro install and run it. Remove the "Intel Extreme" this will remove all of your current drivers. Reboot and when the new hardware found appears, leave it.

4) Install the driver you downloaded and reboot again. Test MTW campaign game and see if it works.

If it doesn't work move on to the next (older) driver and repeat steps 2 to 4.

loopy00

08-12-2007, 14:00

Caravel, you are my hero for the day!

I renamed the intro.mpg to intro.mp_ (this is the movie intro file) and it worked!!:laugh4: Wahoo!

Loaded beautifully, and I can play now! In fact, for some reason, the load times are much quicker on my laptop than on my desktop. Didn't need to start messing with the drivers either. You are the best. Thank you so much for your assistance on this.:2thumbsup: :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup:

Loopy

caravel

08-12-2007, 15:20

To install the skipcredits.txt correctly for a standard MTW or MTW + VI installation installed to the default location go to the start menu -> click run -> enter "cmd" into the console and do:

cd Program Files
cd Total War
cd Medieval - Total War
echo. 2>skipcredits.txt

I know that some other versions are installed in "Sega" or "Creative Assembly" folders or something similar.

Shay O'Phalen

09-02-2007, 13:58

Hiya same problem as every one else,

can play custom battles and stuff but after trying to start a campain it crashed to the pause menu and then in the strategy map is set at 800-640 or whatever it is it CTD if it is higher it stays on menu.

Im not reyt sure bout all my specs cos i dont really know owt bout computers but it says i have an ATi Rage 128 pro ultra GL AGP is that my problem?

I have tried every thing except the changing drivers cos im not sure how to do and Im worried bout braking my computer

Ive done skip creds, disabled AGP, used every different screen setting i can, changed compatability etc just wondering if anyone can help cos im bored of my other games now and loved this game a couple of years ago when i used to play it.

thanks in advance

Dutch_guy

09-02-2007, 15:28

Hello,

Press start --> run --> type: 'dxdiag'.

A list of your computer specs will show up, let us know exactly what those are.

Further more, have you also tried the Anti-Aliasing fix as described in the first post of this thread ?

:balloon2:

Shay O'Phalen

09-02-2007, 15:47

operating system: windows xp proffesional
system manufacturer: GBT
System model: AWRDACPI
BIOS: Award modular bios v6.00pg
Processor: Intel pentium 4 cpu 1.60 ghz
memory: 576MB ram
Page file: 296 used, 1110mb available
Direct x version 9

is that what you need?

as for the anti aliasing, i dont know how to do it,

it says that you should see the name of your driver when you go to settings on display or something like that but i dont

thanks for the help

Dutch_guy

09-02-2007, 16:11

So basically you can't find something, a tab, which says ATi Rage 128 pro once you've completed step 1 ?

If it helps, after completing step one, for me the tab meant is on the utmost right of the screen.

1- Right Click your desktop and Properties > Settings > Advanced.
2- Look for the tab labelled by your graphics card model name.
3- Click "Performance & Quality Settings" from the panel opened leftwards.
4- Under General Driver Settings there should be a box telling the name of the settings and their values, such as "Antialiasing - Application Controlled", "Anisotropic Filtering - Application Controlled" and so on. Now you should left click where it says Antialiasing. You should see that there is a checkbox saying "Application Controlled" ticked. Remove the tick, so that now the slider is controllable. Draw the slider right for once, it should be now under 2x. Click Apply, then OK, another OK to close this window with modified settings. Voila!

Are you sure this really doesn't work for you ?

:balloon2:

Shay O'Phalen

09-02-2007, 17:29

there isnt one,

it says it at the very top of the box, along with the name of my monitor though, but no tab

Dutch_guy

09-02-2007, 17:38

there isnt one,

it says it at the very top of the box, along with the name of my monitor though, but no tab

Ok

Ehm, you could try the following: next to the current time on your desktop, there should be a couple of little icons. Can you locate an ATI icon, and does right clicking on it bring up any sort of pop up menu ?

:balloon2:

Shay O'Phalen

09-02-2007, 17:43

No there isnt one there

sorry i bet u think im taking the piss, thanks for bein patient

i have recently reformatted my computer if that might have something to do with,

although i couldnt plat MTW before i reformatted either,

thank you very much

caravel

09-02-2007, 21:31

Perhaps you simply haven't installed the driver and are running under the default driver that comes with WinXP? "ATi Rage 128 pro ultra GL AGP" sounds like the Microsoft driver. WinXP supports a lot of old graphics cards but not fully and never with the correct control panel to allow you to change certain settings.

Go to ATI's website and download and install the first driver in this list (6.13.3279): http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/xp/legacy-xp.html

After installing this driver test the game again and it should work. It is probably not worth your while trying the 2x anti aliasing fix as that is mainly for newer Nvidia cards using newer drivers.

Shay O'Phalen

09-02-2007, 23:45

right,

went to that link and downloaded first in the list, but during set up it said that it werent compatable with the display driver(s) currently installed in my system,

do i need to uninstall something maybe

ta muchly

caravel

09-03-2007, 21:18

Try the second driver in the list, if that fails to work then we'll need some more system info. It may be an onboard graphics chip such as the Rage IIC, if this is the case there is no XP driver for this apart from the M$ driver that comes with XP, though Win2K drivers may work. If you can ID your motherboard I can tell you if you have the Rage IIC or not. Is this a branded system? If so what is the model number. Failing that you should check the boot up screen when the system starts up. There is usually a model number displayed just before the system boots, while the system memory test is running, this is the BIOS string and should help in identifying the board. Hitting the pause/break key will halt the boot process while you write it down, enter resumes.

Shay O'Phalen

09-04-2007, 18:28

Rite, the second driver doesnt work either, says the same thing.

Its not a branded system, i dont think, the BIOS is 01/04/2002-8idx-6a69vg0cc-00

i think it is anyway- that is what you meant isnt it.

hope that helps, you guys are really helpfull and i appreciate it hugely,

you deserve more than one award

caravel

09-04-2007, 20:32

The GA-8IDX (http://www.giga-byte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Spec.aspx?ProductID=1349) is your motherboard. This has no integrated graphics.

The best way for you to ID this card is to open the machine and actually have a look at it. It may not be a Rage and the wrong driver may currently be installed. Your motherboard and system specs are way ahead of a Rage which does make me suspicious.

Shay O'Phalen

09-04-2007, 20:58

ok, i will do this tomorrow as it is too late now, and will post up what i find,
what exactly am i looking fo when i open it up?

caravel

09-05-2007, 23:15

Any and every number you can find on the graphics card, either silk screened on to the PCB itself of on any stickers fixed to the PCB. Try not to take the graphics card out to do this, as if you're not familiar with PC hardware you may have trouble getting it back in or dislodge/damage another component in the process. Do not remove any heatsinks/fans from the card.

Dutch_guy

09-06-2007, 15:06

How goes it Shay ?

:balloon2:

GamblerTuba

09-22-2007, 15:00

OS Win Vista Home basic (6.0 build6000)
Dell Inspiron (not sure if that matters)
AMD Athlon 64X2 Dual core 4000+
1022MB RAM
Direct X 10

NVidia GEForce 8300 GS 128MB Ram
Integrated RAMDAC
Approx total mem 368MB

Driver nvd3dum.dll,nvwdgf2um.dll
version 7.15.0011.5828

Ok folks, new to the board because i have a new computer and this ol' game and the two do not get along. (kinda like quantum theory and general relativity) And i am hoping to get them to coexist. (kinda like perfecting superstring theory)

Anyway, my CTD occurs whenever the campaign map should open regardless of computer or program resolution. Custom battles work ok but no campaign map EVER.

I have tried forcing AA to 2X and got nowhere. I tried turning off vertical synch (saw that somewhere) and no luck. When i run dxdiag i can see where AGP texture acceleration is enabled but it is not selectable. Possibly a change with Vista? I cannot disable the AGP text acc in that window, is there another way?

So far as drivers, seems like i have a newer grafix card than a lot of the ones discussed here but if i need to fiddle with the drivers i guess i will have to.

Any suggestions at all? Or should i go out and buy MTW2 and forget it? (is this comp beefy enough to handle MTW2?)

Thanks in advance all!
The Gambler

caravel

09-22-2007, 17:55

I have tried forcing AA to 2X and got nowhere. I tried turning off vertical synch (saw that somewhere) and no luck. When i run dxdiag i can see where AGP texture acceleration is enabled but it is not selectable. Possibly a change with Vista? I cannot disable the AGP text acc in that window, is there another way?

So far as drivers, seems like i have a newer grafix card than a lot of the ones discussed here but if i need to fiddle with the drivers i guess i will have to.
Try forcing even higher levels of AA, and see if that makes any difference. AGP doesn't really apply to you as the card is probably not an AGP card. I expect it's a PCI-E one.

Older drivers might fix it but there is only so far back that you can go with an 8xxx series card.

Try testing with different settings and try to lower your desktop resolution and colour depth to 1024*768*16 bit and set MTW to a 1024*768 campaign map resolution.

GamblerTuba

09-23-2007, 02:09

Thanks so much Cambyses! ?I think the culprit was actually the colors needed to be toned down to 16bit. Will let you know the long-term stability.

Here's the new problem (gggrrrrrr) when i enter the battle screen, i can select units group etc. but i cannot give the units any orders on the map itself. The move/attack cursor never appears. So now i can play on the campaign map but cannot play any battles. I can send them to another point using the minimap. (I even won a very simple siege that way) but in the main battle map the cursor never changes.

BTW i just ran out and bought Rome TW so we'll see if that works any better.

caravel

09-23-2007, 13:39

It sounds like you still might need older drivers.

Good luck with Rome, you'll probably find that that will run ok on your system.

AmbrosiusAurelianus

10-07-2007, 19:14

I also have a NVidia GEForce 8300 and have the same problem of being unable to give move commands to units. Enemy units are also visible through the terrain and city walls.

I would appreciate any help with this.

caravel

10-08-2007, 10:23

Unfortunately I don't know of any solution for the Nvidia 8xxx series cards as yet. You may want to try the anti aliasing fix mentioned earlier in this thread. MTW almost always does better with older graphics card drivers, but for the latest series of cards, older drivers from e.g. 2004 are clearly not an option.

I can only suggest that you try all of the settings that you can find that are related to backwards compatibility with older games.

Zarax

10-08-2007, 17:51

Got Vista and ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, latest drivers by Windows Update...
Tried all solutions posted here but so far no luck into running a campaign...

AmbrosiusAurelianus

10-08-2007, 20:25

Anti-aliasing fix does nothing for me. Sucks!

caravel

10-09-2007, 19:18

Got Vista and ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, latest drivers by Windows Update...
Tried all solutions posted here but so far no luck into running a campaign...
Under Windows XP the 9800 series need the catalyst v5.7 or older. If you use newer drivers the game will keep crashing, with the latest drivers it will CTD at the campaign map. Personally I use the Omega drivers based on catalyst v4.8 and find those to be the best for STW and MTW and the 9800 Pro. The game will still always lock up on exit requiring you to ctrl+alt+del, but it does run stable (if anyone knows a fix for that I'd like to hear it). The real problem is of course that you have Vista and not XP. Try the oldest drivers you can get hold of and good luck. I'm not sure if you can force the XP drivers or not, I have heard of people manually installing XP network card drivers on Vista but I'm not sure about graphics cards or ATI in particular.

Tyler

11-04-2007, 01:59

Ok i just bought a new laptop computer for college and the other day i decided that i would get out my old Medieval Total war and play it. This computer happens to be vista. It installed and every thing just fine..i even played one of the historical battles and it worked great..but then i went to go start a campaign and while it was going to the campaign map it just shut down to the desktop and said that MTW had stopped working..i have tried this many times since an i still can get it to work..does anyone know someway to get the campaigns to run?:help:

caravel

11-04-2007, 16:15

See your other thread: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=94652

phowa

11-10-2007, 10:33

erm i got a nvidia 6100 and im trying to do that second solution but when i click proerties settings advanced and my gfx card on the left i dont see a box for setting and quality =/

edyzmedieval

11-10-2007, 11:48

DELL XPS M1710
Windows Vista Business
nVIDIA GeForce Go 7900GS 256MB
4GB of RAM

=> MTW will go up to the presentation, and then CTD saying MTW has stopped working.

Any possible help?

caravel

11-12-2007, 01:15

@phowa: Not sure as I don't use Nvidia cards at home. If the settings aren't there are you sure you have the correct drivers installed? Perhaps you have only the driver that came with your OS?

@edyzmedieval: If the 2x AA or higher fix won't work then I'm not sure what will sorry. Your biggest problem is that Vista doesn't have older drivers that may fix the problem so you're not even going to have the option of trying that.

mitza64

11-12-2007, 17:02

I had the same problem, when starting a new campaign, mtw crashed to desktop and i tried the AA fix, but not the older drivers fix. It didn't work. I solved the problem by switching game resolution to 1280x960 (which is my desktop resolution too) AND by running the game in Win 2000 compatibility mode. I don't know if one of these things fixed the problem or both of them but since it works i won't temper with it! :)

I have a NVIDIA 8600 gt glh 256 mB, Win xp SP2 Build 2600, Nvidia drivers 163.71, and medieval total war vikings expansion, version 2.1.

I hope this will help others too!

caravel

11-13-2007, 09:25

Welcome mitza64

That's a good point about desktop resolution. I hadn't found that to be of much use to anyone of late so I'd forgotten about it. MTW seems to run in 16 bit colour, so it is a very good idea to set your desktop to the same resolution and colour depth as the game, and also keep the battlemap and campaign map resolutions exactly the same. This did used to help me running the game in the past on the 9000 where I would get the odd CTD when changing to a battle, going back to the campaign map or loading a campaign. These were rare but disappeared once I'd set the desktop resolution the same as the game. If it's crashing at a particular res then try testing with your desktop and the game at 1024*768*16 bits.

Are those the latest drivers you're using and have you tried testing with and without the win2k compatibility mode yet?

Thanks

Caravel

:bow:

mitza64

11-13-2007, 22:53

It works fine even without win2k compatibility mode, my desktop resolution is set to 1280x960x32bits. I forgot to mention in the previous post that i also set it to run Maximized and i turned off advanced text services for mtw.

The latest Nvidia drivers are 163.75. I will update soon and i will tell you how it works. :D

I will try different settings to see what actually solved this, but i don't have enough time at the moment. Maybe in the week-end! :)

bamff

11-14-2007, 01:52

Here's the new problem (gggrrrrrr) when i enter the battle screen, i can select units group etc. but i cannot give the units any orders on the map itself. The move/attack cursor never appears. So now i can play on the campaign map but cannot play any battles. I can send them to another point using the minimap. (I even won a very simple siege that way) but in the main battle map the cursor never changes.

The folks at nvidia advised me to download and install a 169.04 driver to fix this....it did allow me to move troops, BUT only by selecting the troop icon from the foot of the screen - I still cannot select the units themselves....oh, and trees became large yellow rectangular shapes....

My system sounds very similar to yours GamblerTuba, so please advise if you find a way through the problem!

bamff

11-14-2007, 02:02

The latest Nvidia drivers are 163.75. I will update soon and i will tell you how it works. :D

I had thought so too from my scanning of the website, but the nvidia support folks put me on to the 169.04 driver that I referred to above. It is a beta driver that was apparently released on 30 October 2007, so I gather it is still undergoing some testing, which explains the "patchy" result that I got....

Costy750

11-15-2007, 23:22

First post (of many if I can get this damned game to work), so HI!

OK, first off, my system is pretty old, and I played MTW and VI back in the day. I've just got Gold edition and tried installing it on my dad's new vista PC but the AA fix doesn't work for me. I've come back to this machine, and managed to circumnavigate the registry errors that come with having previous versions installed.

BUT every time I launch the game, either direct from the disc or from the desktop I hear the opening noise (as the TOTAL WAR logo launches) but see nothing but black. It then goes silent, stays black and remains like that until I close the program from the task manager (it is by this time "Not Responding").

This is doing my nut in. I can play Rome on this system and even games as recent as PES6 (albeit on a low setting). I never had these problems before.

Should I try messing around with the resolution before I launch the game? Try deleting the credits files?

Any help would be greeted with grovelling worship.

caravel

11-16-2007, 09:48

Please read this thread and look at the posts relating to the insertion of the "skipcredits.txt" file. Try to run the game after inserting the file and see if there is any difference.

:bow:

Hero63

12-01-2007, 18:06

Omanes Alexandrapolites

12-01-2007, 18:17

Welcome to the .Org Hero63 ~:wave:
A CTD stands for Crash to Desktop - basically when the game randomly closes down when it shouldn't.

The AA 2x fix involves forcing anti-antilizing, a graphics card feature which reduces jagged edges, to the level 2x. For some inexplicable reason this resolves problems with newer graphics cards (Geforce 6 and above) and their drivers.

Since you are running an older Nvidia Geforce card (as in below Geforce 5 FX), the AA 2x fix is not required. You quite simply need to follow the first section described in this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1244940#post1244940):

1- Download Nvidia ForceWare v61.76 (http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_2k_61.76.html) (Windows XP/2000 version. Browse to Nvidia.com for other OS versions). Do not install yet.
2- Uninstall your current gfx drivers from Add/Remove Program through your Control Panel which can be accessed through Start button of your Windows.
3- Get Driver Cleaner Professional (http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=745) and install it. The download link is a bit down the page. (Program also has a commercial version called Platinum which promises to have been better optimized, but this free version will do the trick for us)
4- Restart your computer and when your PC is about to load windows press F8 button to bring up loading options of Windows. Choose Safe Mode, hit enter and let it load windows that way.
5- When Safe Mode is loaded, it may give you a warning saying what this Safe Mode is all about. Just click right away to get it fully open.
6- Now run Driver Cleaner Professional. Since this is the Safe Mode where there are no visual supports, hence screen resolution is low, you may not be able to find the shorcut on your desktop. In that case you may try browsing your Program Files folder and find Driver Cleaner there and run its .exe from that location.
7- Now that you have Driver Cleaner Pro run, you must select Nvidia from Cleaning Selection dropdown menu.
8- Click Start and let it do the job. When it is finished you'll see Cleaning Finished! message at the bottom of the program window.
9- It's time to restart your PC after all thorough cleaning, so be it.
10- When you are normally logged into Wndows, it may say New Hardware Found blah blah, just click cancel and install old version drivers which were already downloaded. It will ask for another restart, and when that is done, you're done with downgrading your driver set peacefully.Good luck Hero63 ~:)

Dutch_guy

12-01-2007, 20:34

hello.
i'm new to this game and i need your :help:
the game crash everytime i enter the campiagn just before he show the battle map.

i also have some Q

1. what is CTD?

2. What is 2X AA fix?

i have P3
512 ram
Geforce2 Mx/Mx 400
RES: 800:600
16bit color

really need your help cause im dying to play the game :wall:

Basically follow Omanes' suggestions, they're spot on. However, rest assured, your vid. card (even though it's way outdated) will run the game fine. I know this because that's the card I had when I played the game, and before upgrading to another (better) card.

For me, however, putting AA to 2x did the trick.

:balloon2:

Hero63

12-08-2007, 13:15

Tnx for helpin me out
the game work fine :2thumbsup:

neeja

01-06-2008, 20:54

Howdy

I've been having the same exact problems as the guy above. It appears as if our computers are the same, except for my graphics card being a MX 440. But when i tried the fix above, I was stuck at 'Driver Cleaner". I could not find the free Down Load Anywhere on the site. it all wanted me to buy the software.

Where is the free down load?

Thanks!

-Neeja

caravel

01-06-2008, 21:41

Download it from here (http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=745#download) and click on the download location you want (either Europe or America are available) then scroll to the bottom of the agreement and accept it. After that it will download. When downloaded, go to add remove programs and remove the Nvidia drivers from there, when it asks you to reboot don't, then run the DCP setup file to install it and after this run DCP and clean all Nvidia drivers. Now make sure you've already downloaded the replacement driver and reboot. If you've done it correctly you may (or may not) end up with a flickery screen in too low a resolution - anyway you may see some difference and more importantly you will also see the "new hardware found" wizard popping up which should prompt you for a driver or install the Microsoft provided driver automatically. If it does install the M$ driver you should reboot when it asks you or if it doesn't and instead prompts you for a driver, just cancel it and either way run the Nvidia setup file for the replacement drivers, when installed reboot again. In the driver control panel options use a global setting of 2x AA, set your desktop to 16 bit colour mode, cross your fingers, pray and test the game.

Good luck.

IPoseTheQuestionYouReturnTheAnswer

01-14-2008, 19:04

So...a problem I have!

Medieval CTDs as soon as I finish loading the strategy map. I just installed it, so this is on starting a new campaign.

If I Disable the AGP Texture Acceleration, then it works again. Yay!

But, then I install BKB Supermod. Now it no longer works. Same problem as before: CTD on loading the strategy map on both Super Eras and the vanilla Eras.

Any idea why this is? What's Supermod change that could revert any dxdiag changes?

ThePainkiller

01-15-2008, 19:12

I have spent the last four days trying to get my MTW 1.01 to work on my laptop. Finally, I got it. If anyone has Intell chipsets...try going back and installing the older drivers. I installed the one I had from the first day I recieved my laptop, it finally worked. Intel Chipsets = Old Drivers

caravel

01-16-2008, 15:27

So...a problem I have!

Medieval CTDs as soon as I finish loading the strategy map. I just installed it, so this is on starting a new campaign.

If I Disable the AGP Texture Acceleration, then it works again. Yay!

That does seem to work for some systems. What graphics card do you have?

But, then I install BKB Supermod. Now it no longer works. Same problem as before: CTD on loading the strategy map on both Super Eras and the vanilla Eras.

Any idea why this is? What's Supermod change that could revert any dxdiag changes?
It's a CTD but not the same CTD, something has probably gotten corrupted. Try redownloading the mod and reinstalling it. First uninstall MTW and do a clean install of it. If you did install BKBSM over an already modded game then that's why it's crashing.

I have spent the last four days trying to get my MTW 1.01 to work on my laptop. Finally, I got it. If anyone has Intell chipsets...try going back and installing the older drivers. I installed the one I had from the first day I recieved my laptop, it finally worked. Intel Chipsets = Old Drivers
You would have saved yourself four days if you'd read this sticky thread in it's entirety, where using older drivers for Intel Integrated graphics is already covered.

Revenant

01-16-2008, 23:23

Hello!

I just bought a new computer and MTW suddenly stops working for me...

The problem is the same as with others here: CTD just after campaign map is loaded and before it appears.

I have:

Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6750 @2.66GHz

4Gb RAM

NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT with latest drivers

I tried probably all proposed solutions:

changed resolution to 800 x 600 / 16 (changed desktop resolution too)
switched AA to 2x
disabled AGP texture acceleration

but the problem remained:(

caravel

01-17-2008, 15:56

You've tried pretty much everything suggested in the thread. The only thing I can suggest is that you try 1024*786 resolution for desktop/campaigns/battles and see if that makes any difference. Also try 32 bit colour on the desktop. Keep the 2x AA forced also.

Romf

01-22-2008, 03:49

Is it possible to disable the AGP texture acceleration some other way because under the dxdiag there is no disable button next to it for me?

caravel

01-22-2008, 09:55

Perhaps you have a PCI-E graphics card?

Romf

01-22-2008, 19:07

I have a radeon x1200, not sure but I thought ATI were AGP, I have vista maybe thats why. Do you know of any other way to disable it?

caravel

01-22-2008, 22:27

I have a radeon x1200, not sure but I thought ATI were AGP, I have vista maybe thats why. Do you know of any other way to disable it?
ATI are both AGP and PCI-E, Nvidia are both AGP and PCI-E. In short a graphics card can be either PCI-E or AGP though new cards are mostly PCI-E as that is the newer technology. In your case this is a notebook graphics chip and I believe it is PCI-E. The fix for your problem will probably be older drivers. You can try an older 5.x series driver.

Romf

01-24-2008, 00:12

I can't find any 5.x drivers, the oldest one I found was 7.1 do you know if that would work too?

caravel

01-24-2008, 09:43

Your card will probably not be supported by any v5.x drivers and v6.x and v7.x will cause the same problems. I doubt there are any older Vista drivers for you to try, at least none that will make a difference anyway. You can try the oldest version you can get away with and hope for the best but all in all it seems unlikely to make much difference.

:thumbsdown:

demonelite

01-29-2008, 16:11

Hey there, I need help.

I have just got the Gold Edition as my original copy of Medieval snapped when I decided to reinstall it :no:

Anyway, I have been having problems trying to play it, it installs ok then it says it has a debugger problem after the Total War intro. I have upgraded DivX, patched it to 2.1, added the "skipcredits.txt" file and deactivated Niro and none of these work for me :furious3:

If anyone can help I would be grateful.

caravel

01-29-2008, 21:26

Welcome demonelite,

Got to the first page on this thread and read post #32.

:bow:

ehsan123

02-02-2008, 16:41

hi friends,
i recently bought medieval total war gold edition viking invasion and shogun total war gold edition the strange thing is that whenever i tsart loading a new campgain and i pick my clan then press start campgain it goes to the loading screen and what happens then is that i get a error message saying that mtw or stw has stopped working any help would be nice thank you

specs

amd dual core 4000+
ati radeon 1250

ehsan123

02-02-2008, 16:47

Omanes Alexandrapolites

02-02-2008, 17:25

Welcome to the .Org ehsan123 ~:wave:
Sadly you have the deadly combination - Windows Vista with an ATi Video Card.

Normally problems with ATi video cards can be resolved by installing old (around about 2003/4) drivers. Sadly these drivers have the snag of not providing support for Vista - only XP and previous OSes.

The best option is to try the oldest drivers you can grab. In your case it's Catalyst 7.1. You can find it here (http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/vista32/previous/common/common-cat71-vista32.html) (for Windows Vista 32-bit) or here (http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/vista64/previous/common/common-cat71-vista64.html) (Windows Vista 64-bit). If in doubt of your OS version, the chances are that you are using the 32-bit edition.

Sadly I don't put much hope in these drivers - they were released in January 2007 which is long after the time ATi stopped producing M:TW compatable drivers.

Good luck ~:)

caravel

02-02-2008, 22:52

Omanes is correct, the 7.1 drivers will probably be of no use.

ehsan123

02-03-2008, 01:37

hmmm me too i think they will be no use too what about anti-aliasing shall iu change that or you guys got anymore ideas thanks for everything so far :beam:

caravel

02-03-2008, 02:28

hmmm me too i think they will be no use too what about anti-aliasing shall iu change that or you guys got anymore ideas thanks for everything so far :beam:
The anti aliasing fix has only been of use where nvidia cards are concerned. For ATI it has always been older drivers that have helped. Some other useful general fixes have been to set the campaign map and battle map resolution both to the same as the desktop resolution or try 800*600 mode.

ehsan123

02-03-2008, 22:33

caravel

02-03-2008, 23:04

finally good news guy i have manage to fix shogun total war not medieval total war alll i did was i went to the video option and change the mode to software mode and to my compatble resolution it is working great now but i still need help with mtw thanks for your help so far. :2thumbsup:
STW has software rendering?! Does it? :dizzy2:

I'd totally forgotten that... unfortunately MTW doesn't. Software rendering is going to chug a bit though, but I suppose at least it works.

ehsan123

02-04-2008, 20:05

yes u r corect bt it is working good can u help with mtw please i would be ever so greatful thanks for help so far maybe i should fix poeple's problems here im good at that :idea2:

ehsan123

02-09-2008, 21:57

hi bro i just wanted to say that ifu can send me a saved campgian file it might work bro that would be good if urs work then please start a new campgian and be the almohads or the egypations and can u send me the svaed game file so i can put on my pc and try bro thanks

caravel

02-10-2008, 01:27

I'm afraid that won't help you. The reason that STW is working for you and MTW is not is because you are using software rendering in STW and hardware rendering in MTW. The hardware rendering uses your graphics card and Direct3D and due to incompatibilities crashes to the desktop. Software mode does not use your graphics card's 3D abilities and does not use Direct3D and so avoids the problem, and works.

Like yourself I am also in a position where I can't run MTW at all due to a different kind of driver problem.

:bow:

ehsan123

02-10-2008, 13:57

im never going to buy total war games anynore i will rather buy microsoft game which have more chance of working infact all microsoft games work on vista :wall::whip:

caravel

02-11-2008, 15:24

You're reversing the issue. The problem isn't all games except Microsoft ones, the problem is Vista and newer graphics card drivers in general not running older games. For ATI cards the simple answer has always been to go back to older drivers, sadly for yourself this is not an option as with Vista and that new card there are no older drivers to go back to.

Rick

02-11-2008, 19:45

Just thought I'd drop off my computer info to see if anyone can help me out regarding CTDs when I play the Pike & Musket mod. I start off good, but several turns in it suddenly and for not reason crashes to the desktop even after I've played out a few battles.

System Information
------------------
Time of this report: 2/9/2008, 08:56:36

Operating System: Windows Vista™ Home Premium (6.0, Build 6000) (6000.vista_gdr.071009-1548)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Gateway
System Model: GT5620
BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
Processor: Genuine Intel(R) CPU 2140 @ 1.60GHz (2 CPUs), ~1.6GHz
Memory: 2038MB RAM
Page File: 766MB used, 3526MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 10
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 6.00.6000.16386 32bit Unicode

caravel

02-11-2008, 23:51

A crash that occurs only in a modded game and not in the vanilla game is related to the mod itself and not to your system or the game engine in general.

If the crash occurs in the vanilla game also, when exactly does the crash occur? With integrated Intel graphics and Windows Vista, your driver downgrade options are nil, also there is probably not much you can adjust settings-wise that will make much difference. Just ensure that battle, campaign map and desktop resolutions are the same and test the vanilla game thoroughly.

Rick

02-12-2008, 21:17

I solved the problem, actually. You have to set all the resolutions the same (1024 x 768; 16 bit). This includes the monitor resolution. I also set the compatibility to Windows 2000, but you may not need to do that, I'm just afraid to reset it back to Vista.

hangsterman

02-19-2008, 14:04

After a year not playing MTW I reinstalled it. With 3 copies (Samurai, NTW and unmodded) everything went fine, except occasionally a CTD until I copy-pasted a 4th one for XL. Suddenly none of them worked, didn't even start (aborted without showing the main menu). I tried 2xAA, different resolutions, didn't help.

Until I downloaded a new driver I read about somewhere in this thread: 163.75 for my NVidia 6600 GT. Now I'm happily playing again.

Settings now:
NVidia Driver: 163.75
2xAA (was default, but maybe it copied my settings from the old driver)
desktop 1280 x 1024 32 bits
campaign 1024 x 768(?)
battle 1280 x 1024
scipcredits.txt in MTW folder

One minor prob: the battles are a tiny bit choppy. It doesn't run so smooth anymore as if it's a bit heavy on my system (though I never had that before)

I'm going to try everything 1280 x 1024.

Thanks to all you helping us out.:2thumbsup:

hman

Rick

02-19-2008, 15:04

I thought I had this licked, but alas, no. I still have a problem with CTDs. I'm pretty sure it's a graphics problem. Here are my computer specs and the error message I'm getting.

Computer, Gateway - Windows Vista 32 bit Home Basic. My graphics card is an Intel (R) 832945G Express Chipset Family.

The problem: When playing "Medieval Total War," after a few turns I get an error message,

"DDERR_OUTOFMEMORY (8876010C)."

Details:

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: Medieval_TW.EXE
Application Version: 1.0.0.0
Application Timestamp: 3f6824c2
Fault Module Name: Medieval_TW.EXE
Fault Module Version: 1.0.0.0
Fault Module Timestamp: 3f6824c2
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 000061a6
OS Version: 6.0.6000.2.0.0.768.3
Locale ID: 1033
Additional Information 1: 8ba5
Additional Information 2: 82df8a05a77c476e7f37bb8e81e9263d
Additional Information 3: 9e6e
Additional Information 4: 12db7e09602f8aaeb02b60a26406acb2

Is this a DirectX 10 problem? Has anyone experienced this before? Does anyone know how it can be resolved?

Rick

ehsan123

02-19-2008, 17:15

hi, i'm having this problem everytime i turn on the campgain mode it starts loading the campgain and then stops running.

Errors for session started: Tue Jan 15 19:36:20 2008

E:\Mtw_atvi\main3d_1.cpp(2713) : DirectX call : E_NOTIMPL (UNSUPPORTED)

caravel

02-19-2008, 22:33

This points to a driver problem. Are you still trying to run the game on the same system? If so then you are still out of luck with Vista and the Radeon Xpress 1250. There are no older drivers and the only things you can try are those already suggested (screen resolutions).

FactionHeir

02-23-2008, 01:19

Hmmm I have a problem with MTW now. It was running fine up until this morning, when I decided to format my hard drive because of a problem with svchost.

Long story short, I got exactly the same updates and drivers on my system as previously except for the network drivers, but MTW won't run properly anymore. I get to the strat map, but if I exit the strat map and then try to go back to it, it loads and then immediately crashes.

My error.txt has this to say:

Errors for session started: Fri Feb 22 23:52:49 2008

C:\Med_Patch\Crusaders_TW\main3d_1.cpp(1864) : DirectX call : DDERR_SURFACELOST

My up to date crash.txt has this:

Medieval_TW.exe caused an EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION in module Medieval_TW.exe at 001B:00705B8D
EAX=03DC72C8 EBX=03DC4AEC ECX=0000736E EDX=0000004A ESI=03DC79F0
EDI=041B0298 EBP=00000000 ESP=0013C7A0 EIP=00705B8D FLG=00010202
CS=001B DS=0023 SS=0023 ES=0023 FS=003B GS=0000
(null)

Oddly enough I had 2 more crashes between the timestamp of the error.txt and the time of posting (crash.txt is fine). Oh, and my MTW is installed on D:\ not C:\, so I don't know what the log is on about.

Any pointers?

ehsan123

02-23-2008, 18:00

hi,
i have bought medieval 2 total war and finally something of there's works anyways i think now i might be able to fix older problems i will keep u guys updated with solutions i find.

caravel

02-23-2008, 21:08

I get to the strat map, but if I exit the strat map and then try to go back to it, it loads and then immediately crashes.

Errors for session started: Fri Feb 22 23:52:49 2008

C:\Med_Patch\Crusaders_TW\main3d_1.cpp(1864) :
You don't need to be too concerned about this part, the path points to the developers' source code file (.cpp file).

DirectX call : DDERR_SURFACELOST

This part is a DirectDraw error that indicates that you might have alt tabbed to the desktop.

Oddly enough I had 2 more crashes between the timestamp of the error.txt and the time of posting (crash.txt is fine). Oh, and my MTW is installed on D:\ not C:\, so I don't know what the log is on about.

Any pointers?
When does the crash occur, exactly? When you say that it's when you exit the strategy map and go back again, do you mean alt tabbing? Or are you referring to when you go to a battle and then try to return to the map after the battle has ended?

What are your systems specs, in particular which graphics card do you have and which OS? Are you running the battles and strategy map in the same resolution?

FactionHeir

02-24-2008, 12:32

Thanks for taking the question caravel, much appreciated.

My specs are:
Dell Inspiron 9400
Intel Core Duo T7400 @2.16GHz
2GB SD DDR 433 MHz RAM
256MB NVidia GeForce Go 7900 GS
160GB SATA Fujitsu MHY2160BH
Windows XP Pro MCE 2005

Running an old graphics card driver (the same one that worked for MTW before I reinstalled): 84.29

Desktop details:
1440x900 widescreen
32 bit
Card settings: Anisotropic and AA are both set to force off

I haven't tried it with battles yet, but this is a save that worked perfectly fine previously and I backed it up before reinstalling (I didn't try it with another save yet, but I assume its the same). I load it up, get to the strat map fine, can end turn etc no problems. If I go to the menu screen (press ESC) I can edit settings fine too, but trying to get back into the game causes the crash.

Each time the screen changes, it goes black for a while before and after the loading bar comes up as if it was changing resolutions. I set both strat and battle to 1024x768.

I guess I could set my desktop to 1024x768, but I don't think this should be necessary (and I don't know if it'll work) since it all worked fine before I reinstalled.... really wonder what is causing the problem this time around.

caravel

02-24-2008, 17:18

Try forcing 2x AA and set the desktop colour depth to 16 bit. Also set the battle and campaign map resolutions to the same.

hosta

02-24-2008, 20:23

hi quy:) i have same problem - i can´t play new campaign because mtw crashed before strategic map is revealed....do you know any solution?? thanks..

FactionHeir

02-24-2008, 20:58

Try forcing 2x AA and set the desktop colour depth to 16 bit. Also set the battle and campaign map resolutions to the same.

Hi caravel,

strat/battle are both at 1024x768, did you mean I should set my desktop to that too?
I forced 2xAA first and tried. Got a graphics artifact on the GA cup while it was flashing and when it stopped flashing, the artifact was covering it. Went to main and back -> no crash, artifact gone. Did so again -> crash as before.

Then added 16bit to the equation. Same results as above.
It is promising though that it took two entries this time to crash it though. Figure I should try 4x AA next?

[edit]
Ran a few more tests with 4x AA, application controlled AA, and then no AA.

4xAA and application controlled resulted in the same as above.
no AA strangely enough resulted in the artifact, no crash on first going back, no crash on second going back, but crashed on third. Now this is definitely off, because it was on no AA previously and it crashed the first time and had no artifact. Might this have anything to do with me not rebooting after changing each setting? I wouldn't think so though... Also, I have not changed anything on my system besides install some other old games.

ehsan123

02-24-2008, 21:56

i think the problm isthe drivers because my freind has same video card as me he has ati radeon 1200 like me but games works on his he has xp but i have vista and on mine it deosnt work why deosnt ati just make a patch to cover all ati products agaisnt:furious3: these issues

there are some solutions and i have been searching for one month now but no suceess must admit this game is quite old so it is not a suprise it deosnt work.

i have bought mtw2 but that runs very slow on my pc becuase of my card i might buy geforce 7700 becuase it is very cheap now :juggle2:

ehsan123

02-24-2008, 22:04

i think the best option is to play around with drivers and resolutions many people have fixed by doing this i would recommed people here to do research about what can be the best solution and report back here so we can help each other and alos to just to find th error report and bring it here so we know wat is the problem also e-mail sega o activison about this.

caravel

02-25-2008, 09:49

Hi caravel,

strat/battle are both at 1024x768, did you mean I should set my desktop to that too?
I forced 2xAA first and tried. Got a graphics artifact on the GA cup while it was flashing and when it stopped flashing, the artifact was covering it. Went to main and back -> no crash, artifact gone. Did so again -> crash as before.

Then added 16bit to the equation. Same results as above.
It is promising though that it took two entries this time to crash it though. Figure I should try 4x AA next?

[edit]
Ran a few more tests with 4x AA, application controlled AA, and then no AA.

4xAA and application controlled resulted in the same as above.
no AA strangely enough resulted in the artifact, no crash on first going back, no crash on second going back, but crashed on third. Now this is definitely off, because it was on no AA previously and it crashed the first time and had no artifact. Might this have anything to do with me not rebooting after changing each setting? I wouldn't think so though... Also, I have not changed anything on my system besides install some other old games.
I used to get that artifact with the Radeon 9800 and the newer drivers. Can you find any older drivers than the ones you have? Also as far as resolutions go you should try setting everything to 1024*768 16 bit, including the desktop and keep trying higher levels of AA (not application controlled).

FactionHeir

02-25-2008, 14:41

Hmmm no that's the oldest compatible driver for my card that is provided by Dell, and the ones from the notebook sites usually end up causing some troubles.

I'm just finding it odd that the problem is there now when it wasn't before. I'll try what you suggest when I get home though, but in all honesty, I have a feeling that it won't work....

caravel

02-25-2008, 18:17

Did you try Nvidia's own site?

Jxrc

02-25-2008, 20:41

Just to let know that I got same constant CTD problem after I had to repalce my graph card with a Nvidia VGA MX440.
- tried to change desktop resolution: no improvement :inquisitive:
- tried to install 44.03_win2kxp_international as recommanded on some website if fond: no improvement (can't remember where but that not something I would have made up since I know that I do not know s* when it comes to that kind of stuff) :furious3:
- tried 2xAnti-aliasing trick: no improvement :wall:
- tried to install Nvidia ForceWare v61.76: game on !!! :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup:

I have not used driver cleaner anywhere in the process (thought I would skip complex stuff if I could :dizzy2: ). First time I restared my PC got an awful image :thumbsdown: , restarted again and things were just like they used to be :beam: .

Don't know if it can be of any help to anyone …

Anyway many thanks for the great tips. You guys gave me something nice to do on Sunday !!! :beam: :beam: :beam:

FactionHeir

02-25-2008, 22:47

Did you try Nvidia's own site?

Nvidia as other chip producers do not provide drivers for Go type graphic cards. Those are developed (edited) by the company you got your laptop from.

Reading what Jxrc posted is interesting. Maybe I should install the next newer driver or reinstall the current one, although it has not had any actual issues...

ehsan123

02-29-2008, 17:54

i have contacted sega support and they told me that many people with ati graphics are having the same problem as us and that they can't do anything becuase this game is too old.:furious3:

caravel

02-29-2008, 18:04

I'm sorry to hear that, I knew you were wasting your time but did not want to appear negative. Sometimes people have to try/learn things for themselves.

:bow:

Dumbass

03-20-2008, 16:37

I have the same ctd upon loading a new campaign program. I have tried updating my drivers and the 2x anti aliasing trick, and turning off AGP but nothing works. I've tried using different resolutions, widescreen, full screen, but nothing works. I can only go on the battles which seem to work.

I can't downgrade my drivers either because I have a 8800 gts which does not work with those drivers. Can anyone help me, or do I have to find an old PC to play on?

caravel

03-20-2008, 21:47

I'm sure you've read this thread already and seen that as yet there is no known solution to getting MTW working with 8xxx series Nvidia cards because of exactly what you've described above. There was one member that did get it working by selecting a specific resolution for the campaign map, battles and desktop. You may want to try this but I have suggested that to many others and no one else has reported any success.

:shrug:

caravel

03-21-2008, 21:34

I've installed my 7300GT and after getting it working finally (I'll post about that in the hardware/software forum as it's not entirely relevant to this thread and only relevant to those with infinite loop problems) have been messing around with a few settings trying to solve the battle map terrain synchronization problem (that is the problem that quite a few 8xxx series card owners have reported having with STW/MTW where you cannot get your armies to go where you want them to) that appeared as soon as I'd got it working. After a lot of messing around and downloading of an older driver (I used FW 91.47 as that's the oldest I could find and should be ok for all 7 series cards) I managed to eliminate the synchronization issue by using the following settings:

https://img502.imageshack.us/img502/6163/image1sf8.th.jpg (https://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image1sf8.jpg)

Using these settings also eliminated the need to force 2x/4x AA (in my case 4x AA as the former, commonly recommended method of forcing 2x AA wouldn't work and resulted in a crash on startup) and now the problem has gone away and the game works, albeit it is a bit laggy and loading screens take longer than they should, but it is working both in battles and on the campaign map.

Other settings:

AGP Texture Acceleration is still enabled in DirectX Diagnostics and I haven't enabled any compatibility mode settings for the game itself. I have tested with all of these and found no difference.

BIOS:

I have an AGP card so these settings will be irrelevant to those with PCI-E graphics cards. Fast Writes are on, AGP Read Synchronization is on and Aperture is at 128MB, AGP rate is 4x. It is best to try the Nvidia control panel settings first before messing with the BIOS.

ehsan123

03-22-2008, 13:29

i bought 7300gs and im still getting that problem but i think using your solution i will be able to fix it i will try today :idea2:

pdoan8

03-22-2008, 22:16

I've never had any problem with my older PC which has the GF7600 GT (AGP 256mb). Both STW/MI and MTW/VI run just fine. However, I do have lots of problem with my newer PC which has GF8600GTS (PCIe 256 MB). I can't control units in STW. MTW crashes sometimes and the lockup when quitting both games.

Here are the stats of my older PC (the one that works):

Windows XP w/SP2
P4 3.0 w/2GB of RAM
GF7600GT 256MB (AGP)
Video driver: 93.71 (6.14.0010.9371)
AA Setting: application control
Screen resolution: 1280x1024x32
Game resolution: same as screen
SB Audigy 2 ZS
Hardware sound acceleration: full

Both games run fine after installation (Edit: video card and driver installation). No tweak, no fix needed. Edit: previously, I had the GF6600GT 128 MB AGP with the 82.12 driver.

The video driver above (93.71) support almost all GF cards up to 7xxx series (if I read the inf file correctly).

TosaInu

03-23-2008, 14:11

Ah, the older driver.

I've been seriously thinking about a GF8800 myself when upgrading. I heard about the problem then and was thinking about how to solve it. I know from other NVIDIA cards I've had, that older drivers are sometimes better (for some games). Unfortunately older drivers don't work with GF8800, or do they?

Thanks for sharing the details caravel: hunting for the right graphic settings to get something to work can be a big pain.

caravel

03-23-2008, 14:17

I'm still trying to pin down the individual setting that causes it. At first I thought it was the "conformant texture clamp" being set to "hardware" but I've tested again and it work with that also (as you can see it's turned on in the screenshot).

The older drivers didn't really make much difference to the battle synchronization issue but I think they made a difference to it crashing on startup and needing 4x AA enabled as now it doesn't.

I was using 93.71 previously and it is those that were requiring the 4x AA.

ehsan123

04-01-2008, 22:23

i have finaaly got it working thank you guys for all your support i will never forget u guys

caravel

04-01-2008, 22:50

i have finaaly got it working thank you guys for all your support i will never forget u guys
Great stuff! ~:cheers:

What did you have to do to get it working in the end?

:bow:

ehsan123

04-03-2008, 12:59

i changed the resoltion to 1024 * 768 and it loaded but im not a good player i always lose too mcu of that damn crusade:egypt:

ehsan123

04-06-2008, 11:33

hmmm i think your grapic card is not compatible with the application the game wants so it wont load this kind of problem happened to me too but it was fixed but changing a graphic card have you tried patches

caravel

04-06-2008, 12:33

any1 please?
You've posted in the wrong thread. This thread is for the first MTW only. I will PM the moderator to get your posts split off to a new thread, but be certain to bump the thread once that's done.

:bow:

Sigismund

04-06-2008, 12:51

Sorry caravel... I panicked when it happened and I remembered this forum could help....... I'll be more careful next time...

And thanks for the advice ehsan123... I'm already downloading a patch....

LeftEyeNine

04-06-2008, 14:50

Sigismund, your posts here about your M2TW problem have been moved to a new thread titled "M2TW CTD Error (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=101694)" in this section (Apothecary). If you want to change your thread title, please let me know.

:bow:

Polska

04-23-2008, 22:40

Hello to all!!!

Well, i come to you for a rason:

*My problem is, when a going to play a Common Batle o a Historical Batle, my pc charge all te bar, but then crashes to the deskop, how i doesnt do nothing

i see the diferents solutions, and i have to install new drivers, old driver, download all patches and the XL 3.0, the tyberius patch.....
....but i never play a war!, i win the campaign with the sicilians in the vainilla game, only simulate battles, and saw how my generals come with blood, when i drink a cola.....

can you help me folks?

PD: sorry for my english, i do the best that i can ^^

Polska

cegorach

04-23-2008, 23:35

Your login suggests the native language so I will ask the only right question here.

Mogę spróbować pomóc. Opisz to jeszcze raz po polsku, a zobaczymy o co chodzi. ;):yes:

Polska

04-24-2008, 00:19

Your login suggests the native language so I will ask the only right question here.

Mogę spróbować pomóc. Opisz to jeszcze raz po polsku, a zobaczymy o co chodzi. ;):yes:

Iam Really sorry, but i speak spanish :oops: , my nick is for my grandpa ^^

so, can you translate this in english? :yes:

Bye ^^

cegorach

04-24-2008, 07:03

Spanish...:oops: forget it then...:sweatdrop:

Polska

04-24-2008, 23:13

no problem, english is good for me ^^

PD: y want blood, i want cut the mongols heads!! :furious3:

:laugh4:

Dhepee

04-27-2008, 01:28

Prior to this problem MTW II ran perfectly. Nothing on my system has changed.

I have a CTD going into the battle map. I see the deployment screen, then it goes to the CTD.

This is a new problem. I had tried to mod something, it didn't work, and I couldn't fix it. I uninstalled and then reinstalled. It's behaving like descr_geography_new.db and descr_geography_new.txt are lurking somewhere but I can't find them anywhere.

ehsan123

05-03-2008, 13:55

i think the best way to solve these problems will be to get a new graphic card it worked for me trust me there i no other way you can fix these problems some have fixed them before but its really hard if your not a advanced computer user

JR-

05-16-2008, 14:50

I have four computers:

1. Vista64 - doesn't run at all.
Q7600
9800 GX2
2x 2GB PC6400
Intel G33 chipset

2. WinXP SP2 - CTD nearly every attempt
C6600
7950GT
2x 1GB PC6400
Intel P965 chipset

3. WinXP SP2 - CTD nearly every attempt
A64 3800+ X2
7900GT
2x 512MB PC3200
nForce 6150 chipset

4. WinXP SP2 - Works like a charm every time
A64 3200+
6600GT
2x 512MB PC3200
nForce 4 Ultra Chipset

Can usually start a new campaign, but will get repeated CTD's within 50 turns.
What i do to get a save game working on PC's two and three is start a new campaign using the same faction and difficulty level as the save game, and once it has reached the Campaign map then i load my save game.

caravel

05-25-2008, 22:33

Don't bother with No.1. No's 2 and 3 should be possible with older drivers and enabling 2x/4x/8x AA. Also search through the MTW CTDs thread as there are plenty of other tips in there including some settings which might help overcome a bug with moving your units around on the battle map.

Kaidonni

05-26-2008, 00:21

Curious, Caravel. You mentioned a possible solution to the battlemap mouseover problems in the Main Hall - been looking through this thread, and I'm wondering if it is the 2xAA technique? Running a Nvidia 8600 card here, and implementing those two files from NTW for the campaign map - just the mouseover problems remain (although I can improvise there and use the radar map and a modified GroupFormations.txt if I have to - already fought a Quick Battle using the radar map, 'tis interesting, but not impossible or unplayable :laugh4:).

caravel

05-26-2008, 00:38

Look at the previous page of this thread, post #166.

Kaidonni

05-26-2008, 10:34

Thanks, seemed to have missed that last night (was online much later than I usually am). Just one thing - does it have to be applied to Global Settings, or can a specific program, like MTW, be geared towards those settings? Only, it isn't my computer, and I dare not mess with the graphics settings myself. I'd go into the control panel and take a peek, but I'm nervous about even that, I don't want to break anything...

Plus, I don't think my bro would appreciate the global settings for the entire computer being tweaked each time I wanted to play MTW...

EDIT: Okay, I figured that I can set it to be application specific, preventing me from messing up anything else.

Now, it appears that I have a number of different settings to what is normal, but I've managed to prevent units from appearing above trees, unit cards, etc. Part way there, I must be along the right lines...

Here are pics of my settings:
https://img256.imageshack.us/img256/1289/51781352jq8.th.jpg (https://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=51781352jq8.jpg)
https://img292.imageshack.us/img292/185/99506901kb4.th.jpg (https://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=99506901kb4.jpg)
https://img292.imageshack.us/img292/4075/17492080fw2.th.jpg (https://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=17492080fw2.jpg)
https://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3479/97307658kf3.th.jpg (https://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=97307658kf3.jpg)

Now, they are a bit misleading - I can use 2xAA. However, those settings there seem to fix part of the issue. Not sure where to go from here. I know that it'll be a pain to improvise to an extent using the radar map and editted custom formations, but that's definitely better than nothing. However, can anyone point me in the right direction based on the above settings?

It's a bit frustrating, really. One issue is fixed, but my mouse continues to defy me. Like I said, I can improvise, but I don't want to pass up the opportunity to see if I can get my mouse back properly...but I have no idea where to go from here...

JohhnyBlaze

05-31-2008, 06:34

hello, i just reinstalled MTW on my comp since i last played it a couple years ago, and now for some reason everytime i try to play it just crashes to desktop without a warning or anything.

if anyone can help or point me in the direction of help i would be most grateful :)

Kaidonni

05-31-2008, 09:27

JohhnyBlaze

05-31-2008, 18:12

ya, it just crashes after i load the map or sometimes while its loading.

i will check out all these solutions :) thanx

JohhnyBlaze

05-31-2008, 19:00

i think i got it working, i played with the settings for a little while and, now that i have both the campaign and battle maps on 1280x1024 it is playing well. thanx for the help and lets hope this keeps working :P

Kaidonni

05-31-2008, 19:56

I'd advise that you replace the two files, also, with the ones used by NTW. It is those two files that seem to be the actual cause of the crashes, and by replacing them with the ones provided in that thread, you don't need to alter any other settings.

christof139

06-02-2008, 16:49

I've done all this and have a 8600 card and only the campaign map runs properly, the tactical game is still kaput. So, have to put the old computer back together.

Chris

caravel

06-03-2008, 00:19

Look at post #166 and try those settings I've posted there. These fixed the battle map for me.

Kaidonni

06-05-2008, 22:51

Any epiphanies on my problem? The screenies I posted a few posts up, and a couple of weeks back (post #189), are what I set my Nvidia 8600GT to, and it did fix units appearing above unit cards and all that, but not the mouse-over issue. I mean, I have played battles where I've improvised and used the radar map, and I'm ready and willing to continue with that if need be, but I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas about what else I can do? I did follow Caravel's post #166.

caravel

06-05-2008, 23:23

Disable AA and transparency anti aliasing, then your settings will be the same as the ones I used. If it still doesn't work you're going to have to test it, changing one setting at a time. That's how I did it.

Omanes Alexandrapolites

06-06-2008, 08:50

Just in case any of you guys haven't noticed, this thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=79500) has had a few updates with additional potential solutions which may be useful.

~:)

Gransoporo

07-28-2008, 15:03

hi i'm New. And i'm Italian...so my english sucks! :-)
I'm sorry but I didn't read all the topic because it's very difficult for me, but i understand that the solutions are for nvidia configuration....i have ATI X850XT and i have the same problem. Have I to proceed in the same way?
Thanks a lot
Giovanni

caravel

07-28-2008, 19:32

Your english seems fine to me. Which Operating System do you run? If it's windows Vista then I've no idea of a solution sorry. But if you're running Windows XP you can try the Catalyst 5.7 drivers and that should work.

HansMoser

08-19-2008, 16:01

Hello!
I've bplayed MTW and MTW:VI alot on my old machine, with no problem whatsoever (Gee, new story, huh?). Now I've rediscovered the game's potential and I reinstalled the game plus the expansion and patched it to 2.01.
The problem I am now facing is not CTDs (odd enough, got a 1950gt) but I'm stuck for minutes with my loading screen. Whenever I start a campaign/battle it sends me to the loading screen just fine, but then I wait for 4-5 minutes before the loading bar starts filling up. Then I can play forever, but in campaign mode I always have to wait 4-5 minutes for a battle to start and auto-calcing is unacceptable for me.
Does anyone know a fix for this problem? I've tried changing resolutions/color depth/the AA fix etc. but the waiting is still endless!
HALP!:dizzy2:

newbie543

08-20-2008, 10:41

hi,

I used to play MTW a lot, and recently i wanted to play it again, but as you can guess i have a crash when i want to start a campaign. Sometimes it just returns to the menu, and sometimes it returns to my desktop. I have read the threads concerning this problem on the forum, but i don't have a nividia graphic card so i don't think installing an older nvidia driver will work for me. I also tried replacing the 2 button files (button_ipnext.BIF and button_ipprev.BIF) but that didn't work either. Please help me, I really want to play the game...

My comp:
Windows Vista 32-bit
Intel(R) Core 2 DUO CPU (1.80 GHz)
Mobile Intel(R) 965 Express Chipset Family
RAM: 2038 MB

:help::help::help::help::help::help:

caravel

08-20-2008, 22:47

The problem I am now facing is not CTDs (odd enough, got a 1950gt) but I'm stuck for minutes with my loading screen. Whenever I start a campaign/battle it sends me to the loading screen just fine, but then I wait for 4-5 minutes before the loading bar starts filling up. Then I can play forever, but in campaign mode I always have to wait 4-5 minutes for a battle to start and auto-calcing is unacceptable for me.
Does anyone know a fix for this problem? I've tried changing resolutions/color depth/the AA fix etc. but the waiting is still endless!
HALP!:dizzy2:
I have the same problem. Do you have XP or Vista? If it's XP you might want to try older drivers. Though the delay will probably not go away. If it's actually working then you're lucky.

I used to play MTW a lot, and recently i wanted to play it again, but as you can guess i have a crash when i want to start a campaign. Sometimes it just returns to the menu, and sometimes it returns to my desktop. I have read the threads concerning this problem on the forum, but i don't have a nividia graphic card so i don't think installing an older nvidia driver will work for me. I also tried replacing the 2 button files (button_ipnext.BIF and button_ipprev.BIF) but that didn't work either. Please help me, I really want to play the game...

My comp:
Windows Vista 32-bit
Intel(R) Core 2 DUO CPU (1.80 GHz)
Mobile Intel(R) 965 Express Chipset Family
RAM: 2038 MB

:help::help::help::help::help::help:

The problem is your graphics chip. I'm assuming this is a laptop with Intel Integrated Graphics? If so you're very out of luck, sorry.

The only thing I can advise to people really wanting to play this game is to get an older PC, e.g. an old Athlon XP or P4 based system with an older graphics card such as a Radeon 9xxx or Geforce 4/5/6 series card, at least 512MB of RAM, running 98/2K/XP and hook that up to your existing monitor, keyboard and mouse using a KVM switch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVM_switch). (no good for laptop users)

MTW is not that demanding graphically so really the latest cards are not being used to their full potential anyway. I used to run MTW perfectly fine on an old Voodoo5 card. It looks no better or worse on my 7300GT. The biggest performance bottleneck in MTW will always be your CPU when running larger battles involving two full stacks or more.

newbie543

08-21-2008, 08:39

I'm assuming this is a laptop with Intel Integrated Graphics?

Yes, i think so. Thanks for the help anyway. ~;)
Do you know if M2TW will run on my laptop? I might buy it, but it would be a big waste of money if it doesn't work on my comp...

caravel

08-21-2008, 19:42

I'm not sure if M2TW will run on that chipset because I don't think it has the pixel shader 1 support which the game requires. You may want to try RTW, you can pick that up cheaply and it should run ok.

HansMoser

08-24-2008, 20:26

I have the same problem. Do you have XP or Vista? If it's XP you might want to try older drivers. Though the delay will probably not go away. If it's actually working then you're lucky.

I guess I am lucky I can play, but still, can't see myself getting a coffee everytime I have to fight :) Tried older drivers but to no effect. And yes, I am playing on XP.

caravel

08-24-2008, 23:17

This is pretty much why I just gave up altogether. In my case I was in the middle of a modding project. With all the testing that goes with that, imagine loading up the campaign map and waiting that long every time?

Northnovas

08-25-2008, 20:45

I think the real issue is the video card drivers and that is reason I can't play the game anymore. The nvidia driver after 93.66 (??) around that number went offside and the game would not run for me. Before that the AA adjustment was the fix that worked. It's unfortunate because there are some aspects of the MTW VI I enjoyed.

caravel

08-25-2008, 22:47

The problem is indeed related to video hardware/software. It's not clear however as to whether the problem lies in the game itself, i.e. the game's inability to cope with newer hardware due to limitations in the coding (the next/previous review panel buttons issue is an example of this) or in the drivers removing backwards compatibility. I think it's a combination of the two.

Hiebe

09-11-2008, 05:07

Hey im new and need some help.

every time i try to play campain it always crashes and sends me back to my desktop page. i dont know what to do.

i have a windows xp (dimension E521 type), nvidia geforce 6150LE

thanks if you can help.

caravel

09-11-2008, 22:55

On that graphics card you should be able to get away with it and older drivers. You mal also need to enable 2x AA as well but the game should run.

Hiebe

09-12-2008, 04:25

On that graphics card you should be able to get away with it and older drivers. You mal also need to enable 2x AA as well but the game should run.

whats 2x AA? and how do i run it?

Axalon

09-12-2008, 05:29

While you’re at it Hiebe, perhaps you should be a tad more polite towards Cynwulf and perhaps he might be more motivated in helping you out here? If it were the other way around, wouldn’t you be? (Take it away Cyn!)

- This is just a friendly suggestion for you Hiebe, that’s all…. Oh, and welcome to the Org by the way! :mickey:

caravel

09-12-2008, 19:14

2x sample antialising can be enabled in the Nvidia control panel.

1) Right click the desktop, select "Nvidia Control Panel".

2) Click the "3D settings icon".

3) Under appearance category, select "adjust image setings with preview".

4) Then find the section "use the Advanced 3D image settings" and then click "take me there".

5) Under global settings find "Antialising settings, select the drop down list and change it to 2x"

If it still doesn't work then you'll need to get hold of older drivers.

Hiebe

09-13-2008, 04:03

Thank you im trying it right now. sorry about earlier. thanks so much this is a good website. i'll hang out here more :)

Hiebe

09-13-2008, 15:42

It works!!!!!!!! thank you soo much:yes::laugh4:

caravel

09-13-2008, 21:37

It works!!!!!!!! thank you soo much:yes::laugh4:

You're welcome, glad you got it working. ~:cheers:

The .org has a dedicated subforum for MTW called the Main Hall (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=20). You can post all of your MTW related questions or just your campaign or battle accounts and anything else over there.

T-LO

10-29-2008, 21:00

I have a nVidia 9600GT and the "battlemap mouseover" failure. Same as kaidonni. I just wondered if there is a solution. If not, does this game run in Virtual PC or VMWare?

caravel

10-30-2008, 01:04

I'm afraid you're out of luck with that card. There is no known fix to the battlefield synchronisation issue on Nvidia 8xxx/9xxx cards to date.

evo481

10-31-2008, 01:21

nice to find this answer thread...

one question...does this game play with any of the newest cards that i can buy? i am in the proccess of buying a new card but i want to be able to play mtw1...

Achilles

11-01-2008, 12:32

Hi everone.

Sorry its another CTD problem. I've just recently bought a copy of MTW to bring back old memories and i have installed it fine and it will even run quick battle and historical campaigns but whenever i try single player campaign it will start to load and once the bar fills up it bring up the campaign menu and usually follows it up with CTD.

I have read some other fixes but i have an odd graphics card so some of them simply don't apply.
I have tried changing resolutions but no help there.

Here's my graphics card info:

Chip type: S3 Prosavage DDR
BIOS version: 78.60.00.02
Display driver: s3dnb.dll 6.14.10.0033-13.94.33
DirectX: 9.0b

Btw i have Windows XP home sp2.

Any help apprieciated, thanks.

Axalon

11-01-2008, 16:38

Hi there guys, welcome to the Org the both of you…. :mickey:

Achilles: My guess is that this is your problem; there are two small GFX-files that might very well do the trick here and get your MTW up and running in campaign mode. They are:"button_ipprev.BIF" and "button_ipnext.BIF" and are usually located here: "C:\program\X-Total War\campmap\buttons" -folder. You have two/(three) ways of getting these files:

1. Download and install/or scavenge one of the only two existing mods that do have the right files that you need (as far as I know at least, never heard of any others). One is the “NTW” (it’s the Napoleon-mod I) and the other is my own mod, MTW-Redux, which is an alternate version of MTW. They are available over here:

NTW:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=40

MTW-Redux:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=106497

2. You also have the option to check out the CTD thread for MTW, again named GFX-files are available there somewhere (these are the NTW version of the files), its probably the last post there. You can find that thread in MTW’s Main hall. The thread you are looking for is this one:

CTD Thread:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=79500 (These are the NTW version)

I can’t guarantee you that this solution will work, but I suspect that it does. You should give it a try.
It’s probably what you need to do, but you never know with PCs…. Good luck!

-------
Evo481: Essentially you stick to ATI when it comes to MTW, because Nvidia have worse track-record then ATI does so that’s why. I got ATI X-1950 pro myself and with the use of the files mentioned above that works just fine, without them that card refuses to run the game (besides that GFX-card is hardly new, although still fairly good by todays standards, If you could find that card I would recommend you to get it in lack of anything else. One thing is certain: with the right files (mentioned above) installed it does run MTW. Anyway this is not the place for such questions, the place for that is over here:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=132

- Cheers

Achilles

11-01-2008, 18:51

Axalon

11-01-2008, 23:09

Axalon:

I went ahead and dled the redux mod and installed but no it still will not work on single player campaigns. Again same problem, when the loading bar hits full it brings up menu then crash to desktop.
I also tried the Moorish failsafe savefile but no luck there either (although that time all the game did was bring up menu and didn't CTD). I am really at wit's end here.

Anyone think I should take the game back and try to get my money back?

Ok Achilles, sorry to hear that….

Then we can exclude the earlier suggested solution entirely. Downgrade your drivers. Your card is fairly old so you should have several of old drivers-versions to choose from, but do try to downgrade your drivers because that might actually help. Try about 2003-04 or there about (I have no clue which driver will work best). Also thoroughly check out the MTW CTD’s thread(s) for stuff that might work (such as antialias x2 and other stuff), although its ATI and Nvidia in particular, most such threads are right here at the Apothecary and then you have the one in the Mainhall:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=79500

At any rate, hope it works out for you, there is little else, I at least, can suggest you (I am no Savage-expert). MTW is a great game, it definitely worth while if you find a way to get it to fully work. Finally and ultimately you also have the option of buying a 2nd-hand GFX-card (ATI) that works for sure with MTW. It would not be that expensive (ATI Radeon 9800pro for instance). Good luck what ever you decide to do. :bow:

- Cheers

caravel

11-01-2008, 23:14

Chip type: S3 Prosavage DDR
BIOS version: 78.60.00.02
Display driver: s3dnb.dll 6.14.10.0033-13.94.33
DirectX: 9.0b

Btw i have Windows XP home sp2.

That is a legacy integrated graphics chipset and those are the latest drivers for it. It should run MTW ok providing you've allocated it enough shared memory (16MB or above) in the BIOS setup. There is no need to try any of the the troubleshooting fixes in this thread as they are only relevant to much newer cards.

xKiwi

11-12-2008, 13:30

Hey there. Recently got back into the MTW mood and I've come bumping into a loooong string of crashes and errors while trying to play on the laptop I use now. So far, I've tried AA 2x, setting map resolutions the same, skipcredits.txt, and disabling AGP texture acceleration. Hopefully you can think of some ingenious way to fix my problem.

I can run it almost perfectly fine. Almost. There is just one issue which seems impossible to fix. Every so often, there's a small chance that I get the infamous CTD when I right click to open up the info window on units/etc. Sometimes it takes a long time for this to happen, sometimes it's only after a few minutes, which makes it extremely unpredictable and annoying.

This is what is in the crash.txt file:

//--

Medieval_TW.exe caused an EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION in module ntdll.dll at 001B:7C911E58
EAX=048F5328 EBX=00150000 ECX=00000000 EDX=00000000 ESI=048F5320
EDI=04975000 EBP=0013D1F8 ESP=0013D1EC EIP=7C911E58 FLG=00210246
CS=001B DS=0023 SS=0023 ES=0023 FS=003B GS=0000
001B:7C911E58 (0x00000000 0x04975000 0x0013D224 0x00000000) ntdll.dll
001B:7C918251 (0x03150000 0x0000B230 0x00000000 0x00000000) ntdll.dll
001B:7C911C76 (0x00150000 0x00100008 0x0000B228 0x0000B228) ntdll.dll
001B:7C80FE6F (0x00000040 0x0000B228 0x02234BED 0x02234600) kernel32.dll
001B:004072D0 (0x2508458B 0x10000003 0x0F03F883 0x02BF7284) Medieval_TW.exe

//----

Some specs:

//----

Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_qfe.080814-1242)
System Manufacturer: ASUSTeK Computer Inc.
System Model: F3JC
BIOS: Default System BIOS
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 1024MB RAM
Page File: 1084MB used, 1376MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode

Card name: NVIDIA GeForce Go 7300
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce Go 7300
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.8628 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail

//---

Any help would be extremely appreciated. =)

Rick

11-13-2008, 14:18

xKiWi, have you updated you drivers for your video/graphics card? I have Nvidia GeForce 7600 GT and just downloaded and installed a fairly recent update from the Nvidia website. Prior to that I was getting CTDs, but since I installed the updated drivers I've had no problem (knock on wood). Also, if you go into the Nvidia setup you select it to run games in a different mode. But so far, it runs fine for me on the default settings.

I've been playing the Pike & Musket mod, which is fun but a little touchy. But again, since the updates I haven't had a problem (double knock on wood).

caravel

11-13-2008, 22:04

The last solution in this thread may help: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=79500

@Rick, what driver release did you download that cured the CTDs?

:bow:

xKiwi

11-17-2008, 15:17

Rick >> My graphics card is for laptops, so the drivers from nVidia isn't recommended and I have to get updates through my laptop manufacturer. The current driver is most updated one.

Caravel >> Haven't had much problems with the right-click thing recently, but I did bump into a new one.

I was playing a campaign up to a point where it just crashed at the end of a turn, no matter what I did. I managed to save it on the turn right before it crashed. So now, whenever I load that saved game and hit the end turn button, it'll crash after the AI has made its moves on the chess board. Basically, I have no way to get past that point in the game on that saved file.

TevashSzat

11-17-2008, 21:13

@xKiwi

You don't necessarily have to try out the laptop manufacturer drivers. The standard ones from Nvidia should work just as well and if the generic drivers work, there is no reason why you shouldn't use them

This website (http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/drivers) has I think all of the Nvidia drivers for laptops released lately

Rick

11-18-2008, 16:51

@Rick, what driver release did you download that cured the CTDs?

:bow:

178.24

weetaylor

11-18-2008, 21:26

I need big help with this i am not good with computers and i just want mtw gold edition to work on campaign it will work rarly but not when i want it to work if enyone could kindly help and exsplain how to make it work please help:help::help::help::help::wall::wall:

petter76

12-13-2008, 05:51

hello

i have a problem with my MTW I.

I`m not able to change screen resolution within the game.

current fixed resolution:
strategy map: 800 x 600

battle map: 640 x 480

my graphics card is: geforce 8800gts

my windows version is: vista 64

do have the newest drivers installed, which have cured problems i have had with other games. this is an old game i know, but still..

:help:

Noddy The Beefy Egg

12-24-2008, 19:30

At what point does it crash? As soon as the campaign map has loaded? You can either employ some of the solutions in this thread, such as 2x Anti-aliasing and/or running the campaign map at a resolution of 800x600 while the battlemap would need to be 1024x768. However, there is another thing to try:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=79500

The last post in that thread features a unique solution to the CTD issues, and should help you a lot.

2 questions. i tried the campaign map at a resolution of 800x600 while the battlemap at a resoloution of 1024x768. It was not working. and how do i do 2x aa? so sadly, i had to stick to roller coaster tycoon 3. sorry. very sorry. until the solution, kaidonni. i have geforce4 mx 4000.

Geezer57

12-27-2008, 18:00

2 questions. i tried the campaign map at a resolution of 800x600 while the battlemap at a resoloution of 1024x768. It was not working. and how do i do 2x aa? so sadly, i had to stick to roller coaster tycoon 3. sorry. very sorry. until the solution, kaidonni. i have geforce4 mx 4000.

Martok's thread, that Kaidonni linked for you, has what you need to do in the first post. Download the ForceWare 61.76 drivers (http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_2k_61.76.html) and the freeware version of Driver Cleaner v1.5 (http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=745). Reboot your machine into Safe Mode (hit F8 key at startup), run Driver Cleaner to remove all your old video card drivers, then reboot into regular Windows with the generic VGA drivers built-in to your O/S. Finally install the old 61.76 ForceWare drivers for your MX4000 GeForce 4 card. Medieval should behave fine at that point, and allow you any resolution your system is capable of displaying.

Medieval is an old game now (but still great!), and likes older drivers with old hardware. Good Luck! :beam:

caravel

12-29-2008, 17:52

I have been looking into the slow loading screen problem. To summarise this problem: It's the screen that appears before the campaign map or battle map are loaded. This screen is made up of several .tga image files. It seems to me that the problem itself may be caused by these actual files that are used to make up the loading screen.

Now, when in game you hit esc to go to the menu and it shows you the same screen? No, the screen that is displayed at this point is a bif/buf image file and not the .tga that is used for the load screen. This screen does not hang and has no issues. In fact I tried renaming the file for this screen and instead of the fading/zooming effect when going to the menu, the screen blacked out for an instant and the menu appeared. The same does not work when removing the .tga files, this causes a CTD.

Now the reason I think it's the .tgas themselves causing the CTDs and not the campaign map or the battle map or something else, is because this same problem occurs when loading either the battle map or the campaign map and it is common knowledge that the battle map and campaign maps are very different - two different games almost. So a long delay before loading the campaign map would be accepted as that having the fault. But the same delay for both, no I don't think so.

We have seen before where something such as an image can cause a CTD on the campaign map. The button review panel up/down button issue is evidence enough of this.

My humble opinion is that the load screen is a very shakey bit of programming. Why is it a tga and not a bif? I think it may be due to the red load bar that fills up inside the frame. Perhaps CA had no way of doing this with a .bif? I'm not sure but it does seem that the solution lies in these tgas (if there is a solution). I have tried replacing the tgas with smaller files and this has not helped. Also if you even re save one of them and put it back into the game it causes an instant CTD probably due to pallettes etc.

-Update: I've tried replacing the MTW load screen .tgas with the ones from STW. The result is no difference. I've reinstalled STW today (I've recently rebuilt and reinstalled my PC which is why it wasn't installed) and STW V1.0 works ok, in fact the load screen goes by so fast it's only visible for an instant. I am about to test STW/MI V1.02. If that works as well then perhaps MTW V1.0/1.1 may behave differently to VI 2.0/2.01? I doubt it, but it might be worth a try.

-Update: STW/MI V1.02 tested ok, no load screen issues.