Yay for Mob Beatings!

[Crazed Rabbit]

Now, I know some of you are going to read the following story and worry about proper law and how very mean the mob was, and how they should have let the police handle it, etc., etc. But I say it is a fine use of a mob!

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/4208597.html


Residents beat man accused of showing porn

Associated Press

DALLAS — About a dozen residents of a Dallas neighborhood beat a man after reports that he had been showing pornographic pictures to children on a playground, police said.

Brandon Scott Burke, 20, showed up Wednesday at an Oak Cliff apartment complex and was alleged to have shown a magazine with pictures of naked women to some of the children playing there, police said.

When one of the mothers saw him and asked Burke what he was doing, he tried to run and the woman started screaming, said Elizabeth Williams, the mother of another child. According to a police report, Burke said about 15 men "jumped him and hit him repeatedly on the face with their fists." He suffered minor injuries, police said.

At least four children saw the nude pictures, police said. Burke was arrested on suspicion of harmful display to a minor.

Crazed Rabbit

[Lemur]

Clearly, he should have dug a trench. All the hip sex criminals dig trenches these days.

[Scurvy]

indeed- i was thinking of digging one myself :2thumbsup:

[Crazed Rabbit]

I think the authorities frown on digging trenches in public parks.

Crazed Rabbit

[Scurvy]

it depends whether the authorities are hip sex criminals or not :2thumbsup:

[Xiahou]

Oh, I thought this was a different kind of mob.... :oops:

[mercian billman]

I would of confiscated his porn...

[whyidie]

I wouldn't want whatever that guys looking at.

[Vladimir]

I beat myself for porn too.

[Reverend Joe]

I beat myself for porn too.
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[Banquo's Ghost]

Now, I know some of you are going to read the following story and worry about proper law and how very mean the mob was, and how they should have let the police handle it, etc., etc. But I say it is a fine use of a mob!

*raises hand wearily*

Unless of course, it was an Islamic mob, when no doubt you would have been screaming 'barbarians' at us.

Mobs have a real good record in this, like the illiterate clowns that attacked a paediatrician in England some while ago.

The double standards of some of the right are a wonder to behold. Law and order plus good, mob rule also double-plus good.

:wall:

[Tribesman]

The double standards of some of the right are a wonder to behold. Law and order plus good, mob rule also double-plus good.


Hey Banquo , would those standards be goodduckspeak or ungoodduckspeak ?


Unless of course, it was an Islamic mob, when no doubt you would have been screaming 'barbarians' at us.


Now , does that need a few more examples apart from this one you gave ..., like the illiterate clowns that attacked a paediatrician .....
So lets see , mobs.....An American tourist in Guatemala is nearly lynched this weekend over allegations of under-age sex ....good or ungood mob rule ?

A mob puts an ice axe in someones skull because he is the wrong colour for his girlfriend , good or ungood mob rule ?

A truck driver gets his head flattenened for being the wrong colour in the wrong place at the wrong time , good or ungood mob rule ?

Some military police get slaughtered because a mob is angry that the soldiers associates killed some protestors , good or ungood mob rule ?

Some mercenaries get lynched by a mob , well because its part of the job isn't it , good or ungood mob rule ?

[InsaneApache]

Nail some sense into 'em.

[Red Peasant]

*raises hand wearily*

Unless of course, it was an Islamic mob, when no doubt you would have been screaming 'barbarians' at us.

Mobs have a real good record in this, like the illiterate clowns that attacked a paediatrician in England some while ago.

The double standards of some of the right are a wonder to behold. Law and order plus good, mob rule also double-plus good.

:wall:


That's probably an urban myth. Try and find the truth about it and you'll struggle. Variously it has been a male or female paediatrician, in South Wales or in Portsmouth, England. It was just a good story, whispered about during the media sensationalization of the paedophilia problem in the wake of the Sarah Payne murder.

But, I agree with the rest.

Anyway, it couldn't have been much of a beating as the guy only suffered 'minor injuries', yet he was repeatedly pummelled in the face by 15 blokes. No wonder the yanks can't win the heavyweight title any more, they punch like girls nowadays. :laugh4:

[Major Robert Dump]

Pictures of naked women is not pron, its art. He may have been showing them where babies come from, or maybe asking the kids if they thought the lighting and camera angle was apporpriate for the mood being conveyed.

Was there penetration? Closeups of the womens Laffy Taffy? These things I need to know. Also, which Dallas neighborhood did it happen in? And are we sure they weren't trying to mug him and then tossed a copy of Swank on his body to cover up their crime.

[rory_20_uk]

Took me about 30 seconds to find a BBC link with picture and interview. Here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/901723.stm)

MRD, naked women can be art. But still should not be showed to children. Intercourse is natural, but is still mainly done out of sight.

~:smoking:

[Banquo's Ghost]

That's probably an urban myth. Try and find the truth about it and you'll struggle. Variously it has been a male or female paediatrician, in South Wales or in Portsmouth, England. It was just a good story, whispered about during the media sensationalization of the paedophilia problem in the wake of the Sarah Payne murder.

See rory's link.

:bow:

[Red Peasant]

I stand corrected. However there was little to suggest that it involved a foaming-at-the-mouth vigilante mob, which is how it was often reported, and which is what we are discussing here. See link.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4719364.stm

~;)

[Strike For The South]

I cant seem to rememer if oak cliff is really black or really rich. This is going to bug me

[Louis VI the Fat]

I cant seem to rememer if oak cliff is really black or really rich. This is going to bug meDude, it says Dallas 'neighboorhood'. Knowing that it is neither downtown or a suburb, I think we can safely assume that:

in the first half of the 20th century, it was a pleasant, near-exclusively white community near the city center. In the 40's and 50's, higher mobility led the higher incomes to move to the suburbs. This was followed by a major influx of African-Americans from 1960. In the 60's and 70's, the remaining white middle-class fled to the suburbs and ghettoization set in. The place became run-down and dominated by low-incomes and high-crime rates. In the last fifteen years, many Hispanics settled in the area, overtaking blacks as the predominant group in the early years of the 21st century. :book:

Heck, I don't even need to know what or where this Oak Cliff neighbourhood is.

[Strike For The South]

The first thing i saw on google was poverty and viloence. So its black.

[Redleg]

The Oak Cliff Neighborhood is in the part of the city south of Interstate 30 and East of Interstate 35. It is considered one of the more crime ridden area's of the city, and the citizens are complining about the amount (read that as lack of) adequate police patrols to help crub the violence and crime in that area.

It has been often compared to the neglected step-child of the city of Dallas, and Louis got the short version history of the neighborhood pretty close to the actual truth.

[Kääpäkorven Konsuli]

MRD, naked women can be art. But still should not be showed to children. Intercourse is natural, but is still mainly done out of sight.


Come on, nudity and sexuality are two different things. As a kid, I saw dozens of naked women in sauna or swimming (older you get, fewer you will see). Did this make me a pervert? No it didn't (well, it isn't very smart to be drunk, if you have pretty damn important exam tomorrow, but it has nothing to do whit my sexuality, or naked women, or whit this topic anyway).

So, naked women is not art. It is just a naked woman and there is no reason to hide it. Or to show publicly either.

[Crazed Rabbit]

*raises hand wearily*

Unless of course, it was an Islamic mob, when no doubt you would have been screaming 'barbarians' at us.

Mobs have a real good record in this, like the illiterate clowns that attacked a paediatrician in England some while ago.

The double standards of some of the right are a wonder to behold. Law and order plus good, mob rule also double-plus good.

:wall:

Not if said Islamic mob did what this mob did; attack a guy showing porn to kids.

Crazed Rabbit

[mercian billman]

Not if said Islamic mob did what this mob did; attack a guy showing porn to kids.

Crazed Rabbit

It would still be wrong, since this whole thing seems to be about the children, I have to say that both parties, the guy who got beat up and the parents set a poor example.

Seriously though the man was repeatedly punched in the face by 15 other men, it's clearly excessive force and should not have happened. Had the mob simply detained the man and waited for police to arrive they would have been justified, but they completely overstepped their bounds on this one.

[scooter_the_shooter]

It would still be wrong, since this whole thing seems to be about the children, I have to say that both parties, the guy who got beat up and the parents set a poor example.

Seriously though the man was repeatedly punched in the face by 15 other men, it's clearly excessive force and should not have happened. Had the mob simply detained the man and waited for police to arrive they would have been justified, but they completely overstepped their bounds on this one.



No they didn't, the pervert will think twice next time. You can't deny that:laugh4:

[Samurai Waki]

too bad it wasn't a lynch mob.

EDIT: Although seriously, wether it was Artistic Nudity or Pornographic Nudity, it should be up to the parents wether it is acceptable for their children to see it or not, not some random pervert off the street. I think in this case the mob was justified for beating this guy to a pulp.

[GoreBag]

I hope a mob of paedos beat up a smaller mob of parents.

[sharrukin]

It would still be wrong, since this whole thing seems to be about the children, I have to say that both parties, the guy who got beat up and the parents set a poor example.

Seriously though the man was repeatedly punched in the face by 15 other men, it's clearly excessive force and should not have happened. Had the mob simply detained the man and waited for police to arrive they would have been justified, but they completely overstepped their bounds on this one.

And what would the police have done? Unless the guy was on parole for a previous molestation, the chances are they would have done next to nothing.

[Tribesman]

Although seriously, wether it was Artistic Nudity or Pornographic Nudity, it should be up to the parents wether it is acceptable for their children to see it or not, not some random pervert off the street. I think in this case the mob was justified for beating this guy to a pulp.

Really ? I thought it was the people whose job it is to make the laws who say what is acceptable , and it is the people whose job it is to enforce the laws that give justice , not a mob .


too bad it wasn't a lynch mob.
So does that mean that the police in Guatemala were wrong to stop the lynching of the American tourist and investigate the allegations themselves ?

[AntiochusIII]

Yay for Mob Beatings indeed. I'm glad I'm in such a perverted city as Vegas. Here we have real Mob beatings, as popularly emphasized in many of the B-rated Hollywood gangster crap; not just a bunch of random average Joes punching another random average Joe in a case that no one is yet sure what exactly happened.

Let's just hope the crowd's half-Mexican, though. That would be marked disturbances of public peace. And if they happen to immigrated illegally as well, that would make it serious crimes against humanity. ~;)

We don't even have to think if the crowd's looking like an average Middle Easterner (or Indian, or perhaps African; many wouldn't be able to note the difference). That would make the beatings terrorism by default.

[Kanamori]

"What, this man was showing porn to children? Well then I'd better beat him up too."

It's popular to beat up pedos, so those people should've given him a kick in my name.:dizzy2:


The people who beat him should be punished under the law as the criminals that they are, and the man should also be punished under the law.

[mercian billman]

And what would the police have done? Unless the guy was on parole for a previous molestation, the chances are they would have done next to nothing.

That may be true but it still doesn't justify what they did. And if the crime is really that minor that he wouldn't get into trouble then what was the whole point of beating the man up?


wether it was Artistic Nudity or Pornographic Nudity, it should be up to the parents wether it is acceptable for their children to see it or not, not some random pervert off the street. I think in this case the mob was justified for beating this guy to a pulp.

It should be up to parents to determine what their children see, but that doesn't give parents the right to form a mob in order to beat up a man who was showing nude photos of women. It's unfortunate that parents don't really take responsibility for what they allow their children to see, and this is actually a case where parents did take responsibility and do the right thing. The problem is they went to far and if the man who got beat up get's charged, then the parents should to, their just as guilty of commiting a crime as he is.

[sharrukin]

That may be true but it still doesn't justify what they did. And if the crime is really that minor that he wouldn't get into trouble then what was the whole point of beating the man up?


I didn't say that it was a minor crime. I just said that in all likelihood the police would do little to nothing for those parents, and they knew it!
When state fails to deliver justice, people will take the law in their own hands. It is not a particularly equitable system of justice, but it is probably the only justice those parents will ever see on this issue.

[mercian billman]

I didn't say that it was a minor crime. I just said that in all likelihood the police would do little to nothing for those parents, and they knew it!
When state fails to deliver justice, people will take the law in their own hands. It is not a particularly equitable system of justice, but it is probably the only justice those parents will ever see on this issue.

I agree that the police really wouldn't have done anything, but does that still justify the reaction of the parents? I believe that the parents were justified in taking action to apprehend the man, but they still had no right to beat him to a pulp. I'm not saying they shouldn't have punished him, there would have better, legal ways to do it, without comitting assualt.

[sharrukin]

I agree that the police really wouldn't have done anything, but does that still justify the reaction of the parents? I believe that the parents were justified in taking action to apprehend the man, but they still had no right to beat him to a pulp. I'm not saying they shouldn't have punished him, there would have better, legal ways to do it, without comitting assualt.

What legal ways? What options do people in that position and lacking the income to hire their own lawyer actually have? If the police or the Crown won't act, what options do they realistically have?

[mercian billman]

What legal ways? What options do people in that position and lacking the income to hire their own lawyer actually have? If the police or the Crown won't act, what options do they realistically have?

The thing is that even if they had the money put the man on trial, he'd get off with a light sentence. But there are things you could do like posting pictures of the man on light poles detailing what he did. The point is we can't just go about committing assualt on people.

[sharrukin]

The thing is that even if they had the money put the man on trial, he'd get off with a light sentence. But there are things you could do like posting pictures of the man on light poles detailing what he did. The point is we can't just go about committing assualt on people.

Oh sure, there are things you can do.

Make sure your kids don't play outside alone, and make sure they don't walk to school alone, and make sure you keep a close watch while they're playing at the park. Also avoid taking your kids to certain parks. Never let them ride around on their bikes. If you have a backyard restrict their outdoor activities to that area.

Lock your doors and put bars on the windows. Get a dog! Don't open the door! Not for "delivery people," not for "repair people", not for anyone.

Always have your keys ready as you approach your car door. If you get a flat in a remote area or "bad" neighborhood, keep driving regardless of damage. If you break down, stay in your vehicle! If someone stops to offer aid, don't open your door.

And never, ever ask the question, why it is that the ones that do get caught and convicted, already have prior arrests for similar crimes.

And yeah, and put up pictures of the predators.

[macsen rufus]

Well, it doesn't say how old the kids were. I'd have given my right arm ... no LEFT arm ... if we could have had that sort of schoolgate service when I was a young teenager :laugh4: All you get at British schools is fat mums shoving greasy takeaways over the fence from the graveyard (how apt....)

BUT more seriously, rule of law means rule of law, not mob rule or vigilantism. By and large I'd reckon kids seeing a man attacked by a mob of 15 will be more traumatised by that than they would have been by the pics (except maybe the fat kid at the back who couldn't get close enough to see properly cos his glasses steamed up). I find it kind of disturbing that a society can accept - nay, GLORIFY - so much violence in front of their kids and cherry-pick the laws that should be applied. If you don't like the law then reach for the ballot box, not the baseball bat.

I agree with Kanamori:


The people who beat him should be punished under the law as the criminals that they are, and the man should also be punished under the law.

[yesdachi]

Well I am a bit torn here, on one hand I am all for law and process but on the other I am happy that the people of the area have taken a more active role in protecting their children, although a bit overzealous, I think if more people were more active in removing the crime in their neighborhood, their neighborhood would be safer/better. It seems that in most cases people turn a blind eye and allow criminal things to happen right in front of them. It is disappointing to me that it took something involving kids to trigger the people to act, I wonder how often drug deals and other crimes are committed near the same playground that do not get a response at all.