new faction possible?

[iberus_generalis]

i've been looking around foruns and playing a bit around with RB0.74, and noticed that there are 20 factions only in the game now...my question is, who is the faction not being used in 0.74, and how could it be made playable, and how could i tranform it, it a playable indian faction...if we have a western part of india, i find it well logical to be able to play as them...i could i achieve this? any tutorials would be welcome...=)

[Discoskull]

There's a new faction possible for RTW 1.5 because the Senate slot has been opened.

There is indeed a new faction for 0.8, but the EB team hasn't released any info about it yet...though I don't think it will be anywhere near India.

Look at the Res Geastae (however you spell it) mod by Prometheus, and there you will find a rather awesome Indian faction with some very pretty elephants and the like.

[iberus_generalis]

and in 0.74 can the senate slot be opened? or the 1.2 version of rtw doesn't allow me to alter it?

[CountArach]

The Senate slot could only be opened if the Senate were actually used. AFAIK there is no way for the faction to be played without the senate missions. Also playing the faction would be highly unrecommended and likely unstable.

[abou]

That will be different with 0.8 since it uses 1.5, which can use the Senate slot by renaming the faction. There is a thread around here detailing how it was done, but yes, there will be another playable faction.

[Olaf The Great]

If its not the Sabeans its the Mauryans.

[Discoskull]

I hope it's the Sabeans. Arabia would be loads of fun in comparison to 7.4. Then I could finally play as the Ptolemaioi...

[Conqueror]

If its not the Sabeans its the Mauryans.

IIRC, the EB has stated (sometime, somewhere, unless my brain is totally dysfunctioning today) that the only way they could do a Mauryan faction justice is by expanding the map eastward, which they definetly won't be doing (see if you can dig up the old threads here on why they decided to remove the Yuezhi faction from 0.8). So no Mauryans in EB, unfortunate as that is.

[pezhetairoi]

and i think someone should do some reading up on that mountain goat thing the occultus faction has as its sigil, its habitat would give some hints as to what it was. Europe's out of the question though.

[iberus_generalis]

and in 1.2 can the senate slot be altered like they said they did in 1.5? or it's impossible to do in 1.2?


seing conqueror's sig, i got an idea...is there possible to add new events to the game? won't it mess up with the script? or can we safely add some new entries?

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Yeah, as Conqueror mentions, we have stated that there definitely will not be an Indian faction in EB. It might be interesting right before the release to put a poll up just like the internal one - and see if what people wanted (not necessarily what we are in the 'bidness' of providing though) matches the one that we picked, and if the distribution among other factions was close to what ours was. Hmmmm :grin:

[Lusted]

Its impossible to edit the senate slot in 1.2 due to the fact that cultures are hardcoded in 1.2 and are not in 1.5. and as far as im aware you cannot edit new events.

[Geoffrey S]

and i think someone should do some reading up on that mountain goat thing the occultus faction has as its sigil, its habitat would give some hints as to what it was. Europe's out of the question though.
Originally posted by me in original topic:
BTW, is it an ibex? That'd place the faction in North Africa, I'd think; I'm pretty sure I heard of a Nubian ibex somewhere.

Edit: a quick search in google for nubian ibex provided me with this:
http://www.digital-images.net/Images..._Ibex_4849.jpg
and the information that this creature is found in Egypt, Sudan, and the Arabian peninsula; habitat is mountainous, so that would mean the western and south ends of the Arabian peninsula. That would imply a Nubian faction or an Arabian faction in the areas currently known as Yemen and Oman.
Symbol also appears on a certain unit previewed.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

We thought about it - making Seluekids into senate. The biggest issue we were left with was having a button that crashed when you pushed it. There were other problems, but we figured out ways around most of them - that was one we could not.

[paullus]

its an ibex, and in the start period various species of them could be found all over the map, but primarily: in central europe, in spain, in libya, in arabia, and in central asia. perhaps in other places, but that's what i remember reading way back in the day when the image first came out. now, only certain of those had the long round horns like the image, but i don't recall which.

[Darkarbiter]

umm didnt an EB team member mention something about a faction starting with b as well as the saka

[paullus]

a faction starting with b? i don't recall that, and i've generally been a total ho with any of the "who's the last faction" threads. too bad i don't know of any good factions starting with "b" anyway.

TA, the poll sounds like a good idea. alternately, you could put together a faction preview (though I guess I'd rather have .8...are we getting close to the release btw?)

[Cheexsta]

The elusive Bartix faction, perhaps? :wink:

[CountArach]

Bastarnae are the only people I can think of off the top of my head... and that is almost a certain no.

[Discoskull]

Arabia! .8 Ptolemaioi AAR!

[Trithemius]

Bastarnae are the only people I can think of off the top of my head... and that is almost a certain no.

Blemmye? :/

[GiantMonkeyMan]

i'll have three guesses:juggle2: :
-a german faction to stop the flow of the sweboz, the alpine ibex was once common throughout all of germania and was apparently considered to have healing qualities
-a nubian/kushite faction, due to the nubian ibex and to stop the advancement of the ptolmies
-a bunch of turban wearing maniacs whose religious views means that they have to ride ibex into battle, only they often break to ibex's backs and thus they haven't expanded far (until now)

[Trithemius]

-a nubian/kushite faction, due to the nubian ibex and to stop the advancement of the ptolmies

Blemmye fits this, but is a bit too late for the EB start date.

[Krusader]

Belgae.

Yet, they were declining so not them. :wink:

[eadingas]

It's obviously the Boii!

(btw, the "B" rumour is completely unfounded, but it's fun to see you guess ;)

[Musopticon?]

I still think it's Saba or something similar, since the Arabian peninsula has wealth of rebel provinces and because that would spice the Desert Wars up.

[Conqueror]

I still think it's Saba or something similar, since the Arabian peninsula has wealth of rebel provinces and because that would spice the Desert Wars up.

Not to mention a whole lot of trade resources. A faction in there would help to keep them off greedy Ptolemaic hands.

[Ser.Cornelius Equitis]

I still think it's Saba or something similar, since the Arabian peninsula has wealth of rebel provinces and because that would spice the Desert Wars up. I think its going to be Awsan. My first post actually.:2thumbsup:

[Trithemius]

It's obviously the Boii!

(btw, the "B" rumour is completely unfounded, but it's fun to see you guess ;)

Spoilsport! :dizzy2:

[Tellos Athenaios]

Spoilsport! :dizzy2:

But fun too! :laugh4:

[edyzmedieval]

I wanted the Pergamum kingdom, but the other guys were too dug up in dirty tricks and I gave it a rest. :grin:

[Discoskull]

Enough Greeks already! They dominate the entire eastern portion of the map! That's like saying the Belgae need to become the new faction.
I, for one, am wondering if the Semetic theme music will be there for somebody other than the Qarthadastim...

[Tellos Athenaios]

I can only hope the new faction will be located in one of the larger Eleutheroi areas, like modern Germany and Austria, or the steppes in to the northwest of the Pontos Euxeinos, or Arabia, or Africa. Maybe there will be something like Numidia to fill that large space?

Although a sort of Pergamon kingdom would have been nice, if only to heaten things up there: in all my campaigns that area would have been the most quiet if it wasn't for my own invasions.

Another idea: some faction in eastern Europe like the Getai?

*starts playing EB to find out what the best place for the X faction would be*

[Discoskull]

I say Arabia. I don't mind that Eastern Europe is so vacent of factions (it gives the Sweboz something unique to do, sort of like the Casse having to conquer the various tribes the Isles).

It also keeps the AI Sweboz busy for quite a while in comparison to the others - which is especially nice for the Romani player, as the Sweboz are often the last barbarian faction you have to deal with, which is nothing if not historically accurate...

But yeah. I say Arabia. North Africa isn't as likely, as Karthadast is busy enough with their European neighbors, and Arabia is by far the biggest area of rebels (playing as Ptolemaioi is, in comparison with the other successors, rather boring when 75% of the time all you do is bully rebels...it would make more sense if they met more organized resistance when they attempt to conquer the whole of the Arabian peninsula- it wouldn't have been so easy, I don't think).

edit: Oh, and perhaps, if accurate, EB could make use of those lovely camel units with an Arabian faction! Not to mention, for the human player, Arabia would be a really cool homeland, with lots of opportunities for expansion and even sea trade...building an Arabian kingdom from one province and then taking on the big dog empires of the north would be quite fun!

[MSB]

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/faction_start_20ele.jpg

If you look at the Eleutheroi starting positions then you will see that there needs to be something in Arabia, Denmark/Norway, Eastern Europe, Southern Germania, Sahara, Ethiopia, Northern Britain and Ireland.

That is a wide variety of people who could be faction X...

http://www.krusader.be/eb/alabama.jpg

However based on the Ibex shield (see above) and the fact that it was on the Eastern preview, and it's background texture I think it must be both somewhere where there were lots of Ibex, it was hot with lots of dried (previously wet) mud and it was in the east, perhaps somewhere very hot where rivers and lakes sometimes dry up. That makes me think of the Nilotic Peoples, but the map doesn't extend that far south, but it could do in 0.8. It also makes me think of Ethiopia as the Nile flows through it and I would presume that after the flooding season there would be dried mud where the river had flooded. It could still be an Arabian faction, there were Ibex there and the dried mud background texture could be the sea shore in Arabia (I wouldn't know as I have never been there). Of course it could be either the Eastern Numidians (Lybians) or Western Numidians as there were Ibex there and it was desert and there would have been dried up Oasis' which would leave behind dried mud.

Oh so many factions it could be! We will probably only know when 0.8 comes out...

[Discoskull]

Northern Britain and Germania are going to stay as independant nations IMO, since, even if there were strong tribes there, the Sweboz and the Casse are in the game because, historically, they unified these fragmented areas at some point or another, if I'm not mistaken...plus the fact that there are already so many European factions...

And the Sahara really doesn't count, and the Numidians, if I'm not mistaken, weren't as powerful or unified under a strong leader, and were subdued by Karthadast pretty early on, so probably no new North African factions...

The Sauka Rauka are going to fill up the northeastern steppes...

No Indians or Upper Nile folks, because the map doesn't extend far enough to do them justice...

So yeah. Arabia. It's a fully-realized area of the map with no factions on it, just as fully-realized as Europe, Iran, or North Africa, with it's own kingdoms/people historically, plus, most likely, it will be another excuse to use the new and innovative nomadic governemnt structure! I can't wait, personally.

[CountArach]

Also we must remember that the EB team throughtout the entire history of the project have Vehemently (I love that word) denied that there is going to be another North African people present. They would be utterly crushed by ptolemaioi and Qarthadast.

[Krusader]

Oh so many factions it could be! Will will probably only know when 0.8 comes out...

Or in a preview at a later date, should 0.8 throw more obstacles at us.

[tk-421]

Also we must remember that the EB team throughtout the entire history of the project have Vehemently (I love that word) denied that there is going to be another North African people present. They would be utterly crushed by ptolemaioi and Qarthadast.

Perhaps the possible (or is it certain?) existence of another North African faction has only been "vehemently" denied to mislead you. Or maybe it's not in Africa at all. The mod is, of course, called Europa Barbarorum. As for other discussed areas, let's just say that no camels are likely to find themselves in EB.

[-Praetor-]

Perhaps the possible (or is it certain?) existence of another North African faction has only been "vehemently" denied to mislead you. Or maybe it's not in Africa at all. The mod is, of course, called Europa Barbarorum. As for other discussed areas, let's just say that no camels are likely to find themselves in EB.

:inquisitive:

That was the most sibiline, confusing and devious post that I`ve read... this week.

I`ve been wondering if the Eb team is made only by politicians. Their abilities to say a lot of words with no meaning whatsoever is stunning. :sweatdrop:

BTW, how about making a poll??? It would be cool to see how many people think that they`ll be the Sabeans, Libians, Eastern Numidians, some germanic faction, the Belgae, the Bastarnae, etc...

I for one have a hunch that they`ll be the Lybians. Dunno why though...

[Musopticon?]

It's an Arabian faction, I' sure now.

Which, as far as my opinions are concerned, is awesome.

[Trithemius]

It's an Arabian faction, I' sure now.

Which, as far as my opinions are concerned, is awesome.

Yeah. Looking forward to seeing what their "wonders" down there are too. ;)

[Musopticon?]

Naval trade lines to India Proper perhaps? Incense forests?

I'm pretty hyped now actually.

[Conqueror]

Incense forests?

Whether there'll be a faction or not, incense there surely must be. Those Arabs got the Romans hooked on the stuff so bad that they invaded the place to get their fix :laugh4: