View Full Version : Mafia IV: Night of the Living Mafia [Concluded]
discovery1
10-05-2006, 16:30
Vote: Kage and ice
Avicenna
10-05-2006, 16:33
Reminder: it is against the rules to reveal yourself if you are a mafia.
Dutch_guy
10-05-2006, 16:42
Reminder: it is against the rules to reveal yourself if you are a mafia.
And how did you come to post this ?
Have we somehow missed some obvious hint ?
:balloon2:
UltraWar
10-05-2006, 16:51
Vote:Drisos
AggonyDuck
10-05-2006, 16:52
Reminder: it is against the rules to reveal yourself if you are a mafia.
It doesn't say that in the rules posted at the start. ~;)
For reasons as before Vote Kage
Avicenna
10-05-2006, 17:59
GHC says that to the mafia and detective in their PMs. I have personal knowledge of this.
Silver Rusher
10-05-2006, 18:31
It doesn't say that in the rules posted at the start. ~;)
I'm not sure where it says it, but it is definitely true.
Divine Wind
10-05-2006, 19:00
Vote: Drisos
GHC says that to the mafia and detective in their PMs. I have personal knowledge of this.
Does he say things meant towards mafia people against the detective? I don't recall you being mafioso. :inquisitive:
Unvote: Kagemuscha
I don't like him being voted off because he wants too, instead of people thinking he's guilty. He should commit suicide, so the people can lynch someone else, with the chance of lynching a mafioso.
Vote: Drisos
Is that allowed?
Unvote:Abstain
Vote: Drisos
Avicenna
10-05-2006, 21:10
I was detective in Mafia II.
Also, in the end, the writeups in Mafia III revealed that the mafiosi are too not allowed to reveal their identity.
Leet Eriksson
10-05-2006, 21:17
VOTE: Kage
I have a feeling Kages suicidal intent is part of a greater mafia scheme to kill us all!
GeneralHankerchief
10-05-2006, 22:04
Chief of Police Beirut finished tallying the votes for a second time. This time there was a clear "winner." Good. Then he could get some sleep. It had been a long day. Sighing, he addressed the Frontroom crowd.
"Gentlemen," he began. You have chosen Kagemusha as the mafioso. Let's hope for all of our sakes that you are right.
Oddly enough, everybody was happy. The majority of the crowd was glad that they were still alive, and Kage, seemingly suicidal, smiled at this result. He bounded up to where Beirut was standing and addressed the crowd, grinning ear-to-ear.
"Thanks a lot, you guys. Glad to die. Enjoy the rest of the game-er, your lives. So, where's this poison?"
Beirut, with a look of total confusion on his face, took out a bottle of foul-smelling liquid. "Open your mouth, Kage."
Kage just laughed and took the bottle. "That's ok, I'll do it myself. Bottoms up!" And then, as if this was a drinking competition, chugged the whole bottle of poison down. Actually, he didn't drink the whole thing. Kage fell to the ground with a "thud" about halfway through.
Beirut blinked. There was total silence.
"Uh, okay... let's hope you, uh, chose correctly... yeah. Go away now."
The scariest day and weirdest night of everyone's lives had just ended. They turned and went back to their homes, hoping that tomorrow would be a return to normalcy.
Here is the vote tally for Session 1a:
Kagemusha: 13 (Kommodus, Sir Moody, Myrddraal, Evil Maniac From Mars, Cowhead418, Destroyer of Hope, doc_bean, Ignoramus, Kagemusha, Lemur, discovery1, Masy, Leet Eriksson) :skull:
Drisos: 8 (Sasaki Kojiro, Crazed Rabbit, Big King Sanctaphrax, Byzantine Mercenary, Drisos, UltraWar, Divine Wind, Csar)
Abstained: 5 (Dutch_guy, Reenk Roink, Zalmoxis, Sigurd Fafnesbane, AggonyDuck)
Didn't vote: 4 (The Spartan, Orb, King Henry V, Ice)
~~~~~~~
Still alive:
Sasaki Kojiro
UltraWar
Sigurd Fafnesbane
discovery1
doc_bean
Dutch_guy
The Spartan
Orb
Sir Moody
Csar
King Henry V
Ignoramus
Reenk Roink
Myrddraal
Crazed Rabbit
Ice
Zalmoxis
Destroyer of Hope
Drisos
Masy
Big King Sanctaphrax
Divine Wind
Evil Maniac From Mars
Cowhead418
Kommodus
AggonyDuck
Lemur
Leet Eriksson
Byzantine Mercenary
Killed:
Silver Rusher
Tiberius
Executed:
Kagemusha
Sasaki Kojiro
10-05-2006, 22:23
That "mafia can't reveal themselves" contains a potential exploit, since it essentially means anyone who claims mafia is innocent. Claiming mafia should be automatic suicide.
GeneralHankerchief
10-06-2006, 03:09
That "mafia can't reveal themselves" contains a potential exploit, since it essentially means anyone who claims mafia is innocent. Claiming mafia should be automatic suicide.
Hmm, good point...
From now on the rule is dropped. However, once you are dead you *must* act innocent.
Sasaki, you can snip all posts that don't follow this rule.
Crap, I missed a voting round.
I was detective in Mafia II.
I knew that -
Does he say things meant towards mafia people against the detective? I don't recall you being mafioso.
Hmm, good point...
From now on the rule is dropped. However, once you are dead you *must* act innocent.
Sasaki, you can snip all posts that don't follow this rule.
Where's the fun in that? :book:
King Henry V
10-06-2006, 19:39
Chief of Police Beirut finished tallying the votes for a second time. This time there was a clear "winner." Good. Then he could get some sleep. It had been a long day. Sighing, he addressed the Frontroom crowd.
"Gentlemen," he began. You have chosen Kagemusha as the mafioso. Let's hope for all of our sakes that you are right.
Oddly enough, everybody was happy. The majority of the crowd was glad that they were still alive, and Kage, seemingly suicidal, smiled at this result. He bounded up to where Beirut was standing and addressed the crowd, grinning ear-to-ear.
"Thanks a lot, you guys. Glad to die. Enjoy the rest of the game-er, your lives. So, where's this poison?"
Beirut, with a look of total confusion on his face, took out a bottle of foul-smelling liquid. "Open your mouth, Kage."
Kage just laughed and took the bottle. "That's ok, I'll do it myself. Bottoms up!" And then, as if this was a drinking competition, chugged the whole bottle of poison down. Actually, he didn't drink the whole thing. Kage fell to the ground with a "thud" about halfway through.
Beirut blinked. There was total silence.
"Uh, okay... let's hope you, uh, chose correctly... yeah. Go away now."
The scariest day and weirdest night of everyone's lives had just ended. They turned and went back to their homes, hoping that tomorrow would be a return to normalcy.
Here is the vote tally for Session 1a:
Kagemusha: 13 (Kommodus, Sir Moody, Myrddraal, Evil Maniac From Mars, Cowhead418, Destroyer of Hope, doc_bean, Ignoramus, Kagemusha, Lemur, discovery1, Masy, Leet Eriksson) :skull:
Drisos: 8 (Sasaki Kojiro, Crazed Rabbit, Big King Sanctaphrax, Byzantine Mercenary, Drisos, UltraWar, Divine Wind, Csar)
Abstained: 5 (Dutch_guy, Reenk Roink, Zalmoxis, Sigurd Fafnesbane, AggonyDuck)
Didn't vote: 4 (The Spartan, Orb, King Henry V, Ice)
~~~~~~~
Still alive:
Sasaki Kojiro
UltraWar
Sigurd Fafnesbane
discovery1
doc_bean
Dutch_guy
The Spartan
Orb
Sir Moody
Csar
King Henry V
Ignoramus
Reenk Roink
Myrddraal
Crazed Rabbit
Ice
Zalmoxis
Destroyer of Hope
Drisos
Masy
Big King Sanctaphrax
Divine Wind
Evil Maniac From Mars
Cowhead418
Kommodus
AggonyDuck
Lemur
Leet Eriksson
Byzantine Mercenary
Killed:
Silver Rusher
Tiberius
Executed:
Kagemusha
I think you'll find that I did vote. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1259040&postcount=94
GeneralHankerchief
10-06-2006, 20:03
That was the first round. You didn't vote in the tiebreaker.
No worries, though. This god is more benevolent than those in other games... :hide:
Woooooo 10 pages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On the subject of Mafia when are the next kills going to be posted GH
Avicenna
10-06-2006, 20:43
Henry: You have to embolden your vote. It's really unfair to GHC if he has to search through all the posts in all those pages to find the votes...
GeneralHankerchief
10-06-2006, 22:24
Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. Those who had managed to sleep after last night's execution were still sawing logs, and those who hadn't were holed up in their houses, armed with some kind of weapon in case someone broke in.
Evil Maniac From Mars, sadly, was a member of category one. He got up as his usual time, noticed the extremely foggy weather outside, and went to brush his teeth.
At that same time, in one of the front windows of his house, someone was using a glass cutter to get in. The mafioso entered, but with a slight amount of noise.
"****, he probably heard that," the mafioso thought to himself. However, on this foggy day the good luck was with him.
EMFM was using an electric toothbrush.
This time making absolutely sure that he made no noise, the mafioso snuck through EMFM's house, searching for the Lord of Pudding. Finally, in the bathroom, there he was. The mafioso smiled.
EMFM was too into brushing his teeth with that electric toothbrush to notice the mafioso loading and aiming a harpoon gun. He finally realized something was up when the mafioso fired it, but by that time it was far too late.
Less than a half a second after EMFM finally heard the intruder, he collapsed to the ground, harpoon sticking out of his chest. The mafioso had slipped out of sight as soon as the gun was fired.
And so, Evil Maniac From Mars passed on without any inkling of who killed him. However, at least his pearly white teeth clearly showed.
The day got even foggier as it went on. While this wasn't especially worrying, Myrddraal was slightly nervous while driving, as he had seen the same headlights in his rearview mirror for about thirty minutes now. He had no idea of this person's motives, and considering what had happened yesterday, was suspicious.
Myrddraal put the brakes on at a flashing railroad crossing sign. He stopped worrying about the car behind him for a minute. There was a booth opposite him, with a man inside. The mafia were only interested in picking off villagers of the Frontroom, and didn't want any witnesses.
Unless, of course... that person in the booth was the mafioso! Myrddraal saw the person take out a violin case. Fearing the worst, he dove out of the car and into the side of the road. While debating on whether to stay down or run for his life, he then heard notes. There was an actual violin inside the case!
"Phew," he thought, "I was really off the mark with that one!" Myrddraal laughed, then got up to head for his car. But then, there was another voice.
"Indeed you were. You forgot about me." The words got out just before the freight train crossed, drowning everything out. Myrddraal turned around just in time to pumped full of lead courtesy of the mafioso's tommy gun. The mafioso then went back to the car behind Myrddraal's, waited for the train to pass, and drove by, waving pleasantly to the violin player.
The fog had cleared up that evening, as Chief of Police Beirut addressed the crowd.
"Gentlemen," he began, "It appears that the mafia is still active here. So, I have no choice but to start another round of voting. Let's get to it."
Evil_Maniac From Mars
10-06-2006, 22:45
Not one Vogon. Pity.
A harpoon gun and a tommy gun, eh? I guess the chemistry thing was a red herring.
[edit]
Here's a list of the living, to spare you the scroll back (I even alphabetized it, just to make life easier):
AggonyDuck
Big King Sanctaphrax
Byzantine Mercenary
Cowhead418
Crazed Rabbit
Csar
Destroyer of Hope
discovery1
Divine Wind
doc_bean
Drisos
Dutch_guy
Evil Maniac From Mars
Ice
Ignoramus
King Henry V
Kommodus
Leet Eriksson
Lemur
Masy
Myrddraal
Orb
Reenk Roink
Sasaki Kojiro
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Sir Moody
The Spartan
UltraWar
Zalmoxis
discovery1
10-06-2006, 22:50
Vote: Discovery
VOTE: ICE
Dutch_guy
10-06-2006, 22:52
A harpoon gun and a tommy gun, eh? I guess the chemistry thing was a red herring.
Well, I'd imagine thinking of new (realistic) ways to kill people is becoming increasingly difficult after so many mafia games. I wouldn't put so much thought on the killing methods, I'd even go so far as saying that at least 90 % are completely random. The other 10% are mafia mistakes, which usually only become known until after the game. And are thus of little use to us villagers.
:balloon2:
Sasaki Kojiro
10-06-2006, 22:53
Interesting. In this game killing someone doesn't remove them, they can still post, so it does you no good to kill off someone who has good reasoning.
Both EMFM and Myrddraal
Abstained: 6 (Evil Maniac From Mars, Cowhead418, Reenk Roink, Lemur, Myrddraal, Dutch_guy)
Didn't vote: 2 (Zalmoxis, The Spartan)
Were abstainees. Possibly the mafia didn't want to kill anyone who had voted? I guess there's no chance of us basing anything off of who the deceased had voted for this way. Hmm.
Leet Eriksson
10-06-2006, 22:55
Vote: ICE
Interesting. In this game killing someone doesn't remove them, they can still post, so it does you no good to kill off someone who has good reasoning.
Both EMFM and Myrddraal
Were abstainees. Possibly the mafia didn't want to kill anyone who had voted? I guess there's no chance of us basing anything off of who the deceased had voted for this way. Hmm.
True Sasaki but why didn't they kill the two villagers who have already been in the Mafia? Like Cow or Lemur. Wouldn't that be a smarter choice to kill off the people who know how the Mafia think? Since they know they were once Mafia.
Sasaki Kojiro
10-06-2006, 23:02
True Sasaki but why didn't they kill the two villagers who have already been in the Mafia? Like Cow or Lemur. Wouldn't that be a smarter choice to kill off the people who know how the Mafia think? Since they know they were once Mafia.
Yes...but having been in the mafia maybe makes them more likely to be lynched? Lemur is always a popular lynch choice. RR and Dutch guy have been bandwagoned.
Perhaps they are trying to keep some degree of randomness to their kills. Or perhaps they were trying to frame someone, I can't recall if Mydraal mentioned specific suspicions of anybody.
Evil_Maniac From Mars
10-06-2006, 23:02
A harpoon gun and a tommy gun, eh? I guess the chemistry thing was a red herring.
[edit]
Here's a list of the living, to spare you the scroll back (I even alphabetized it, just to make life easier):
AggonyDuck
Big King Sanctaphrax
Byzantine Mercenary
Cowhead418
Crazed Rabbit
Csar
Destroyer of Hope
discovery1
Divine Wind
doc_bean
Drisos
Dutch_guy
Evil Maniac From Mars
Ice
Ignoramus
King Henry V
Kommodus
Leet Eriksson
Lemur
Masy
Myrddraal
Orb
Reenk Roink
Sasaki Kojiro
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Sir Moody
The Spartan
UltraWar
Zalmoxis
Missed a spot.
Ignoramus
10-06-2006, 23:02
True Sasaki but why didn't they kill the two villagers who have already been in the Mafia? Like Cow or Lemur. Wouldn't that be a smarter choice to kill off the people who know how the Mafia think? Since they know they were once Mafia.
They would be suspected more as mafia members than villagers who never have been.
Sasaki Kojiro
10-06-2006, 23:03
oh and Vote:Leet Ericksson because this feud thing will get us nowhere.
Although if we don't get anything to go on this round Ice or Disco would be a good choice because we'll never be able to tell if they're mafia.
Yes...but having been in the mafia maybe makes them more likely to be lynched? Lemur is always a popular lynch choice. RR and Dutch guy have been bandwagoned.
Perhaps they are trying to keep some degree of randomness to their kills. Or perhaps they were trying to frame someone, I can't recall if Mydraal mentioned specific suspicions of anybody.
Ah didn't think of that. That's a real possiblity.
UltraWar
10-06-2006, 23:08
Vote:Leet Eriksson
My reason is that I'm currently tired at the moment and am about to come off my computer.
I am sorry for not giving a decent reason
Dutch_guy
10-06-2006, 23:15
......
Were abstainees. Possibly the mafia didn't want to kill anyone who had voted? I guess there's no chance of us basing anything off of who the deceased had voted for this way. Hmm.
That's a good spot Sasaki, I'm making sure to vote this time around :juggle2:
They would be suspected more as mafia members than villagers who never have been.
Well, one could also think that because someone's a former mafioso, he'd be less likely to be one again. An erroneous thought though, as statistically we all have an equal chance of getting picked as a mafia member...So such a thought works both ways.
:balloon2:
That's a good spot Sasaki, I'm making sure to vote this time around :juggle2:
Well, one could also think that because someone's a former mafioso, he'd be less likely to be one again. An erroneous thought though, as statistically we all have an equal chance of getting picked as a mafia member...So such a thought works both ways.
:balloon2:
Yes but wasn't Lemur a mafioso in 2 of GH's Mafia games or is that just my bad memory?:wall:
Big King Sanctaphrax
10-06-2006, 23:18
I Vote: Ice. This feud with Disco is great cover for being in the mafia.
It seems to make sense that the mafia would vote for people who abstained. It normally indicates a player who is trying to be thoughtful and not kill innocent villagers-and thus someone who is unlikely to get bandwagoned, and must be removed more directly.
My vote is for Vote:Leet Ericksson for obvious reasons.
Dutch_guy
10-06-2006, 23:24
Yes but wasn't Lemur a mafioso in 2 of GH's Mafia games or is that just my bad memory?:wall:
You could very well be right.
:balloon2:
GeneralHankerchief
10-06-2006, 23:29
Yes but wasn't Lemur a mafioso in 2 of GH's Mafia games or is that just my bad memory?:wall:
He was only a mafioso in Mafia II. He survived until the end in Mafia III but everyone was second-guessing leaving him alive so I wrote a fake ending in which he killed everyone and went to live on a space station with girls from the Babe Thread.
He was only a mafioso in Mafia II. He survived until the end in Mafia III but everyone was second-guessing leaving him alive so I wrote a fake ending in which he killed everyone and went to live on a space station with girls from the Babe Thread.
Ah maybe that's what it was. I couldn't remember :juggle2:
Sir Moody
10-07-2006, 01:35
Vote Disco
This fued doesnt help anyone and is a perfect cover
Sasaki Kojiro
10-07-2006, 02:13
blegh, we can lynch disco and ice...and possible leet and the_spartan and zalmoxis...but that's wasting a lot of lynches and we've already wasted one. But mod-kills would be better. What are your standards for mod-killing GH?
blegh, we can lynch disco and ice...and possible leet and the_spartan and zalmoxis...but that's wasting a lot of lynches and we've already wasted one. But mod-kills would be better. What are your standards for mod-killing GH?
Mod-Kill? :no: This thread is kinda slow today
Sasaki Kojiro
10-07-2006, 02:27
Mod-Kill? :no: This thread is kinda slow today
I find that HIGHLY suspicious.
Unvote: leet ericksson
Vote:Csar
I find that HIGHLY suspicious.
Unvote: leet ericksson
Vote:Csar
What I was asking what a Mod-Kill was?
And my other comment is that yesterday people were posting left and right.
Ignoramus
10-07-2006, 03:01
Sorry Csar, but I think finally you're guilty.
Vote: Csar
Unvote: Leet Ericksson
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
The reason I'm changing my vote to Sasaki is because in the beginning he was really active and he kinda puttered out with the accusations and also because we all know how manipulative Sasaki can be. You've seen it before in the other Mafia games and in Silver's. That is what I base my vote on.
I Vote: Ice. This feud with Disco is great cover for being in the mafia.
It seems to make sense that the mafia would vote for people who abstained It normally indicates a player who is trying to be thoughtful and not kill innocent villagers-and thus someone who is unlikely to get bandwagoned, and must be removed more directly.
Oh please. Disco always votes for me, it's time for me to return the favor. This hardly pins me as a mafia.
Sasaki Kojiro
10-07-2006, 03:16
Oh please. Disco always votes for me, it's time for me to return the favor. This hardly pins me as a mafia.
It doesn't pin you as mafia, but in the current situation we'd never know if you were mafia because disco and you would keep voting for eachother, which also means the mafia if you weren't the mafia would keep you alive till the endgame and we'd be stuck with two people we have no read on with only 7 alive. Bad situation.
Sasaki Kojiro
10-07-2006, 03:16
Sorry Csar, but I think finally you're guilty.
Vote: Csar
I was clearly jesting, whereas you sir are bandwagoning.
Unvote:Csar
Vote:Ignoramus
Ignoramus
10-07-2006, 03:40
Jesting? You can't seem to make up your mind.
Zalmoxis
10-07-2006, 03:43
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
I was going to vote for Ignoramus for going straight at Csar, but Sasaki just seems to want to start trouble in the fairly early stages of voting.
Sasaki Kojiro
10-07-2006, 03:52
Jesting? You can't seem to make up your mind.
He said the thread was slow so I voted him :p
You still haven't given a reason for your vote.
Sasaki Kojiro
10-07-2006, 04:01
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
I was going to vote for Ignoramus for going straight at Csar, but Sasaki just seems to want to start trouble in the fairly early stages of voting.
And this is a bad thing why? Are you saying you don't want trouble this early in voting? As in you want things to go smoothly and easily like they did in the Godfather where everyone was pleasant and agreeable and the town lynched an innocent every single turn?
Why on earth would you want that?
oh wait I can think of an explanation... Mafia! *points finger*
Crazed Rabbit
10-07-2006, 04:02
Vote: Sasaki
He's changing his vote left and right, and especially
I was clearly jesting, whereas you sir are bandwagoning.
Sorry, but it did not look at all like jest.
Crazed Rabbit
Sasaki Kojiro
10-07-2006, 04:05
Unvote: Leet Ericksson
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
The reason I'm changing my vote to Sasaki is because in the beginning he was really active and he kinda puttered out with the accusations and also because we all know how manipulative Sasaki can be. You've seen it before in the other Mafia games and in Silver's. That is what I base my vote on.
But Csar, how can you vote me for being manipulative like in other games when in 2/3 of the other games I was town? Surely being manipulative can't be tied to mafia behavior then?
Also, this is my 10th post since the kills were posted. Puttered out indeed!
Admit it, you only voted me because I voted you. You post quite a lot without saying much, trying to create the image of having a presence without putting yourself out there?
Sasaki Kojiro
10-07-2006, 04:13
Vote: Sasaki
He's changing his vote left and right, and especially
Sorry, but it did not look at all like jest.
Crazed Rabbit
Aha, jumping on the wagon again are we?
Your first post you agree with me about Drisos but don't want to "follow my lead".
2nd post you jump on the Destroyer of Hope wagon.
Then 2 inconsequential posts.
Now you jump on my wagon!
Wagon wagon wagon!
You haven't cited an original reason yet either.
Explain thyself!
But Csar, how can you vote me for being manipulative like in other games when in 2/3 of the other games I was town? Surely being manipulative can't be tied to mafia behavior then?
Also, this is my 10th post since the kills were posted. Puttered out indeed!
Admit it, you only voted me because I voted you. You post quite a lot without saying much, trying to create the image of having a presence without putting yourself out there?
Alright Sasaki I'll explain it better now. You being manipulative is a plus if you are a mafioso. I'm putting a big emphasis on if because you can't be positive of anything since it's only the 2 Round. It makes it easier for you too lead people to vote in favor of what you think. If you want proof that I have been suspicious of you since you first started posting your suspicions on Drisos you can ask some of the chat users even GH.
And as for puttered out that wasn't exactly what I meant. I meant that the information has gone down since the first posts you made about Drisos but that understandible. So I really shouldn't have put that sorry bout that Sasaki. That's all I have to say for now.
Oh and Ignoramus you are looking a little suspicious right now. You gave no reason for voting for me. Just because I said this thread is going a little slow today is not a good reason.
Sasaki Kojiro
10-07-2006, 04:21
Alright Sasaki I'll explain it better now. You being manipulative is a plus if you are a mafioso. I'm putting a big emphasis on if because you can't be positive of anything since it's only the 2 Round. It makes it easier for you too lead people to vote in favor of what you think. If you want proof that I have been suspicious of you since you first started posting your suspicions on Drisos you can ask some of the chat users even GH.
And as for puttered out that wasn't exactly what I meant. I meant that the information has gone down since the first posts you made about Drisos but that understandible. So I really shouldn't have put that sorry bout that Sasaki. That's all I have to say for now.
So your suspicious of me because of Silvers game where I was mafia? Don't you see it's a fallacy to say that because I was a succesful mafioso in that game you should suspect me this game? Is my behavior this game more like the Godfather or more like Mafia III? Don't you think if I was a mafioso I would have avoided starting the game by posting my suspicions of Drisos right away? Wouldn't that be a little obvious?
Who am I trying to lead? I unvoted the only wagon I started because I thought Drisos was innocent.
Oh and Ignoramus you are looking a little suspicious right now. You gave no reason for voting for me. Just because I said this thread is going a little slow today is not a good reason.
I agree. You can see he's made nothing but bandwagon and short one liner posts the whole thread: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/search.php?searchid=43308
So your suspicious of me because of Silvers game where I was mafia? Don't you see it's a fallacy to say that because I was a succesful mafioso in that game you should suspect me this game? Is my behavior this game more like the Godfather or more like Mafia III? Don't you think if I was a mafioso I would have avoided starting the game by posting my suspicions of Drisos right away? Wouldn't that be a little obvious?
Who am I trying to lead? I unvoted the only wagon I started because I thought Drisos was innocent.
I'm not basing it off the other games I'm just saying its a good trait to have if your a mafioso. Maybe it would be a little obvious to do it the first round but probably most people aren't even thinking about that now and then you can use that later to help your case.
You may have unvoted it but you still started it and that's all that matters.
Sasaki Kojiro
10-07-2006, 04:34
I'm not basing it off the other games I'm just saying its a good trait to have if your a mafioso. Maybe it would be a little obvious to do it the first round but probably most people aren't even thinking about that now and then you can use that later to help your case.
You may have unvoted it but you still started it and that's all that matters.
How many people have voted for Cowhead so far this game?
And no way dude. I accused Drisos, he convinced me of his innocence, I unvoted him. The townspeople are supposed to be searching for the mafia you know. If I hadn't unvoted him he'd have been lynched.
How many people have voted for Cowhead so far this game?
And no way dude. I accused Drisos, he convinced me of his innocence, I unvoted him. The townspeople are supposed to be searching for the mafia you know. If I hadn't unvoted him he'd have been lynched.
I don't see how that has anything to do with this.
Alright I agree with you there.
All I'm really trying to say is right now all we can go on is our suspicions since it's so early in the game or just not vote at all and that won't help anyone if you don't vote.
Sasaki Kojiro
10-07-2006, 05:31
Heh, Csar, you and me together are like half this thread. Combine total of 25 posts since the kills were posted.
Where all you other people at?
Heh, Csar, you and me together are like half this thread. Combine total of 25 posts since the kills were posted.
Where all you other people at?
Heh I was having fun I hadn't even noticed your a good opponent. I think they are having fun watching us go at it.
Well I don't have anything else to add except that CR you really gave no reason to vote for Sasaki except that he changed his vote.:juggle2:
Sorry for being quiet -- I always find it very hard to make sense of the early rounds of Mafia. People talk about "evidence," and they go on about who's acting suspicious, but I don't recall us ever nailing a mafioso in the first half of the game. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong (I often am).
Was Ignoramus really bandwagoning? After a single vote? And is it really wise to vote out Sasaki? We've had a bad history of killing all of the frequent posters in the past.
In the absence of anything more substantive, I guess I'll Vote: Ignoramus. Even if he's innocent, he has a poor history of voting for innocents. Sort of the anti-Dutch-Guy.
Avicenna
10-07-2006, 08:07
Sowing discontent and disunity.
And some of you actually suspect Ignoramus above him? Bravo.
Lord Winter
10-07-2006, 08:13
Sasski seems the most sucpious due to him acussing everyone. He jumped on Ignoramas for basicly no reason, other then the fact that he voted for Saskii. Would trying to pull attention away from your self be as sucpious as bandwagoning Saskii?
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
Vote: Csar
Admit it, you only voted me because I voted you. You post quite a lot without saying much, trying to create the image of having a presence without putting yourself out there?
Not intention of bandwagoning, but I just really agree to that. (As I said before, btw)
Sasaki seems the most sucpious due to him acussing everyone. He jumped on Ignoramas for basicly no reason, other then the fact that he voted for Sasaki.
I corrected the misspelled sasaki ~;)
Anyway, Ig voted Csar. with few reasoning, and just after sasaki did. Sasaki voted for him because Ig was bandwagoning. Which is a good reason.
Ignoramus
10-07-2006, 09:17
Sasaki just said that he voted for Csar "in jest". If that's a good reason for voting for someone, then we'll never get the right person.
Unvote: Csar
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
Divine Wind
10-07-2006, 10:08
I Vote: Ice. This feud with Disco is great cover for being in the mafia.
It seems to make sense that the mafia would vote for people who abstained It normally indicates a player who is trying to be thoughtful and not kill innocent villagers-and thus someone who is unlikely to get bandwagoned, and must be removed more directly.
We need to lynch either Discovery or Ice. Just for the simple fact that they will do this every round and its the perfect cover. To say that this is a waste of a vote is ridiculous, as they have exactly the same probability of being a mafia as everyone else.
On the toss of a coin.
Vote: Discovery
AggonyDuck
10-07-2006, 11:33
Vote: Ice
Got to get rid of one of them and Ice was the one who first came to my mind.
doc_bean
10-07-2006, 13:00
My, this game is going to take up a lot my time if it keeps going like this :dizzy2:
No that that's a bad thing of course ~D
Sasaki made a point of the fact that the undead could still post and that killing 'active' users would be a bad idea. However, people who were killed often lose interest in the game and post less, Silver Rusher is probably the only big exception to that rule. So i really don't have a clue as to why they killed the people they killed, perhaps a general dislike for lurkers ? Or fear that something the other people have posted would lead us to them ?
Okay: my current list of suspects
Ice & Disco : because one of them just needs killing
Sasaki: for being way to eager, although i do believe he's really just trying to make this a good game
Leef ericson: what's his interest in the Ice & Disco feud ?
Csar: he's been acting kind of funny, and is very defensive.
I have to look at this a little deeper, I'll return to the thread later to cast my vote, as I'm too unsure right now.
Big King Sanctaphrax
10-07-2006, 13:16
Oh please. Disco always votes for me, it's time for me to return the favor. This hardly pins me as a mafia.
That wasn't what I said. We had to get rid of one of you, for the reasons Sasaki outlined, and I mentally flipped a coin. Sorry.
discovery1
10-07-2006, 13:17
My, this game is going to take up a lot my time if it keeps going like this :dizzy2:
No that that's a bad thing of course ~D
Sasaki made a point of the fact that the undead could still post and that killing 'active' users would be a bad idea. However, people who were killed often lose interest in the game and post less, Silver Rusher is probably the only big exception to that rule. So i really don't have a clue as to why they killed the people they killed, perhaps a general dislike for lurkers ? Or fear that something the other people have posted would lead us to them ?
Okay: my current list of suspects
Ice & Disco : because one of them just needs killing
Sasaki: for being way to eager, although i do believe he's really just trying to make this a good game
Leef ericson: what's his interest in the Ice & Disco feud ?
Csar: he's been acting kind of funny, and is very defensive.
I have to look at this a little deeper, I'll return to the thread later to cast my vote, as I'm too unsure right now.
You might want to add Kommodus to the list. He got in on the feud for I don't know why. He never went to UofM at Ann Arbor and the evidence he used against me last round seems a bit iffy. May be worth looking into.
King Henry V
10-07-2006, 14:34
That was the first round. You didn't vote in the tiebreaker.
No worries, though. This god is more benevolent than those in other games... :hide:
Pray excuse me, as I am but a simple novice with no experience in previous mafia games. I should follow things more regularly. :bow:
Sasaki is acting vway too suspiciously. He loves to point out why others are the mafia, creating a bandwagon, then acts annoyed that others are following his lead.
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
Cowhead418
10-07-2006, 15:53
I really think we are making a big mistake voting for Sasaki here. I've noticed a trend in the past few mafia games where the most active posters often receive the most suspicion. But the irony of it all is that the mafia tend to not be active, because the less they put out there the less chance there is of them giving out a valuable clue or attracting attention. I think we should look carefully at who was bandwagoning the first few rounds because they are more likely to be in the mafia. However, I do agree that we must get rid of either Ice or Disco because we can't take the chance. Vote: Discovery1
Dutch_guy
10-07-2006, 16:12
That does sound reasonable Cowhead, but then again the mafia may just allow the survivor (ie Ice or Disco) to live - to put suspicion on them. Why waste a kill on an already suspicious character ? Therefore, I actually suspect at least one of them to survive for quite some time, unless of course we lynch them both.
Anyhow, I'm going with the flow on this one. It does seem like a good strategy to lynch either Discovery or Ice. I'm going to vote Discovery.
:balloon2:
Silver Rusher
10-07-2006, 16:29
I really think we are making a big mistake voting for Sasaki here. I've noticed a trend in the past few mafia games where the most active posters often receive the most suspicion. But the irony of it all is that the mafia tend to not be active, because the less they put out there the less chance there is of them giving out a valuable clue or attracting attention.
In Mini-Mafia, Crazed Rabbit (mafia) was active, telling the people to talk a lot about who they should execute. In The Godfather, both Sasaki Kojiro and GeneralHankerchief were active, directing the peoples votes whereever they wanted. In Sasaki's mafia, Sigurd (mafia) was making huuuge posts when the game was half dead. Orb (thing) also was very active towards the end of UltraWar's The Thing game.
And as for receiving the most suspicion, Crazed Rabbit attracted no suspicion, neither did Sasaki (except a bit from BKS towards the end). GH, Orb and Sigurd got some but not enough to lynch. The people is these games followed your misconception too, and where did it get them? Exactly.
I have some interesting evidence which the townspeople of this game may be interested to see, on the other hand, which may change their general concensus as to who the mafia really is/isn't.
Dutch_guy
10-07-2006, 16:34
I have some interesting evidence which the townspeople of this game may be interested to see, on the other hand, which may change their general concensus as to who the mafia really is/isn't.
Okay, I think we'd like to know.
:balloon2:
Silver Rusher
10-07-2006, 16:40
After the next kills are posted, Dg. Just wait.
Reenk Roink
10-07-2006, 16:48
Reenkmaestro is not able to debase himself to the abject levels of fingerpointing.
He abstains, courteously... :bow:
Edit: It is interesting that Silver Rusher and Dutch_guy have been private messaging quite a bit. I can vouch that Silver has private messaged at least twice in the past 10 minutes, and Dutch_guy at least once.
This is not enough by any stretch to kick two members out of the Fan Club. It is however, enough to raise an eyebrow, and inquire further.
I do beseech the private messagers: why not make things public?
That wasn't what I said. We had to get rid of one of you, for the reasons Sasaki outlined, and I mentally flipped a coin. Sorry.
Then kill Discovery1. I shouldn't be punished for finally standing up for myself. I mean the guy votes for me in games im not even playing. Get rid of him!
Sasaki Kojiro
10-07-2006, 17:25
lolz.
It's interesting to see who voted me, and your reasons for doing so. Some of you are showing a remarkably poor understanding of the game. Spreading discord and disunity is good for the town. As I said before, take a look at the godfather (where I only made a couple posts per turn which apparently meets Silvers criteria for very active). The town was united. There was no discord. The town failed. You never once brought suspicion on Cowhead or Gorebag who were so obviously suspicious. You were content to be quiet. Lots of posting is what this game needs, and in my experience the only way to do that is accuse people. Accusing someone is almost gauranteed to get a response.
Also this is so ironic I just have to point it out:
Sasaki just said that he voted for Csar "in jest". If that's a good reason for voting for someone, then we'll never get the right person.
Vote:Sasaki
Consider this before you vote for me:
What are the odds, given last game, that the detective investigated me? If he did and got a guilty result you'll find out sooner or later.
Zalmoxis
10-07-2006, 17:33
lolz.
It's interesting to see who voted me, and your reasons for doing so. Some of you are showing a remarkably poor understanding of the game. Spreading discord and disunity is good for the town. As I said before, take a look at the godfather (where I only made a couple posts per turn which apparently meets Silvers criteria for very active). The town was united. There was no discord. The town failed. You never once brought suspicion on Cowhead or Gorebag who were so obviously suspicious. You were content to be quiet. Lots of posting is what this game needs, and in my experience the only way to do that is accuse people. Accusing someone is almost gauranteed to get a response.
Also this is so ironic I just have to point it out:
Consider this before you vote for me:
What are the odds, given last game, that the detective investigated me? If he did and got a guilty result you'll find out sooner or later.
Alright, I'll trust you, considering what Cowhead said, maybe it's better to wait several rounds before deciding who might be guilty.
Unvote: Sasaki
I abstain for now.
Silver Rusher
10-07-2006, 17:59
(where I only made a couple posts per turn which apparently meets Silvers criteria for very active)
Top 5 posters in The Godfather:
1. Silver Rusher 66
2. GeneralHankerchief 28
3. Sasaki Kojiro 26
4. Drisos 22
5. doc_bean 19
By this game's standards, not very active at all. By my game's standards, very active indeed. It's a shame people didn't take so much of an interest, maybe they take more next time.
doc_bean
10-07-2006, 18:18
Vote: Leet Eriksson
For supporting the Ice-Disco fight, there were othersq doing the same, put that's the way the dice rolls...
The only real threat to the mafia is the detective. Right now the main objective for the mafia is to find and get rid of the detective. The real detective would probably be a little reluctant to participate as he would not want to lynch the innocent. This might be why Myrdraal and EMFM were targeted.
Considering GH making the write-ups based on the mafia private messaging just the method, we will not get any help there. This leaves only what the mafia might be posting during the day. Staying silent leaves no clues.
What have you to say, The Spartan?
Vote:The Spartan
Sasaki Kojiro
10-07-2006, 18:51
Top 5 posters in The Godfather:
1. Silver Rusher 66
2. GeneralHankerchief 28
3. Sasaki Kojiro 26
4. Drisos 22
5. doc_bean 19
By this game's standards, not very active at all. By my game's standards, very active indeed. It's a shame people didn't take so much of an interest, maybe they take more next time.
Drisos and doc are almost as active as the mafia and cowhead and gorebag aren't on the list. This is actually evidence against frequent posting meaning mafia.
Also, I'm very active by default. Don't you remember Mafia III?
Sasaki Kojiro
10-07-2006, 18:57
The only real threat to the mafia is the detective. Right now the main objective for the mafia is to find and get rid of the detective. The real detective would probably be a little reluctant to participate as he would not want to lynch the innocent. This might be why Myrdraal and EMFM were targeted.
Considering GH making the write-ups based on the mafia private messaging just the method, we will not get any help there. This leaves only what the mafia might be posting during the day. Staying silent leaves no clues.
What have you to say, The Spartan?
Vote:The Spartan
Ah, Sigurd Sigurd Sigurd. Now you are making me suspect you. Your second post this game (not counting the deleted one).
Here's your first (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1259497&postcount=171) post.
In both of these posts you make a plausible sounding argument and vote someone who hasn't been under suspicion. This seems remarkably like deliberate non-bandwagoning. It seems like you are acting. You remain quiet while not lurking, you vote without bandwagoning in the slightest, you provide carefully constructed reasons so that no one can say you are voting without reason.
Suspicious.
Leet Eriksson
10-07-2006, 19:06
Vote: Leet Eriksson
For supporting the Ice-Disco fight, there were othersq doing the same, put that's the way the dice rolls...
The Disco Party shall fight on.
LONG LIVE DISCO
When we are done , either by dying or defeating the ice party, we shall DISCO :guitarist: :drummer: :medievalcheers:
Silver Rusher
10-07-2006, 19:07
Drisos and doc are almost as active as the mafia and cowhead and gorebag aren't on the list. This is actually evidence against frequent posting meaning mafia.
Also, I'm very active by default. Don't you remember Mafia III?
Well, with 4 mafiosi it is unnecessary for all to be active, especially when (as you put it yourself) there is no discord.
Also, I'm very active by default. Don't you remember Mafia III?
That's true. Sasaki has been this active in all games - no matter his role. I'm pretty sure the detective (if he lasts a few turns at least) investigated him. (and me, btw) If sasaki stays alive and no detective steps up we can always lynch him in the endgame. right now, he's too precious doing 'detective work' for the townspeople.
Btw, I'm starting to feel weird towards Leet Eriksson... like others said: why are you so intrested in Ice and Disco... last game sasaki was 'mafia' and continuously was 'intrested' in people resulting in a lot of bandwagoning and innocent lynching.
Ah, Sigurd Sigurd Sigurd. Now you are making me suspect you. Your second post this game (not counting the deleted one).
In both of these posts you make a plausible sounding argument and vote someone who hasn't been under suspicion. This seems remarkably like deliberate non-bandwagoning. It seems like you are acting. You remain quiet while not lurking, you vote without bandwagoning in the slightest, you provide carefully constructed reasons so that no one can say you are voting without reason.
Suspicious.
Ah, but I am merely trying to add to what people have already said here. If this is suspicious, so be it.
What we should avoid at all cost in this game is players not participating in the discussion. I believe my success in your game was to kill off the usual good investigators. If all participate it would be difficult for the mafia to win.
Therefore; the main objective for us townies should be to get all active.
The post I deleted: In a moment of not thinking I wanted to test out a new signature.
http://www.bf2player.com/sig/73561432-934.png (http://www.bf2player.com/index.php?page=stats&account=73561432)
Sasaki Kojiro
10-07-2006, 20:31
Ah, but I am merely trying to add to what people have already said here. If this is suspicious, so be it.
What we should avoid at all cost in this game is players not participating in the discussion. I believe my success in your game was to kill off the usual good investigators. If all participate it would be difficult for the mafia to win.
Therefore; the main objective for us townies should be to get all active.
And how have you been encouraging discussion?
doc_bean
10-07-2006, 20:32
Ah, Sigurd Sigurd Sigurd. Now you are making me suspect you. Your second post this game (not counting the deleted one).
Here's your first (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1259497&postcount=171) post.
In both of these posts you make a plausible sounding argument and vote someone who hasn't been under suspicion. This seems remarkably like deliberate non-bandwagoning. It seems like you are acting. You remain quiet while not lurking, you vote without bandwagoning in the slightest, you provide carefully constructed reasons so that no one can say you are voting without reason.
Suspicious.
Now, he's doing exactly like you said you wanted people to act, you think that is suspicious ? You're contradicting yourself.
Suspicious :laugh4:
Sasaki Kojiro
10-07-2006, 20:45
Now, he's doing exactly like you said you wanted people to act, you think that is suspicious ? You're contradicting yourself.
Suspicious :laugh4:
Nooooo I said it seems like he's pretending to act like a townie should act, which is something a mafioso would do.
Lord Winter
10-07-2006, 20:47
It's interesting to see who voted me, and your reasons for doing so. Some of you are showing a remarkably poor understanding of the game. Spreading discord and disunity is good for the town. As I said before, take a look at the godfather (where I only made a couple posts per turn which apparently meets Silvers criteria for very active). The town was united. There was no discord. The town failed. You never once brought suspicion on Cowhead or Gorebag who were so obviously suspicious. You were content to be quiet. Lots of posting is what this game needs, and in my experience the only way to do that is accuse people. Accusing someone is almost gauranteed to get a response.
I'll give you another chance. I'm still suspicious but you could be useful for the town latter.
On the other hand I agree lets kill off the feud.
Unvote: Sasaki Kojiro
Vote: Discovery1
I'll give you another chance. I'm still suspicious but you could be useful for the town latter.
On the other hand I agree lets kill off the feud.
Unvote: Sasaki Kojiro
Vote: Discovery1
Unvote: Sasaki Kojiro
Vote: Disco
Like DoH said we need to get rid of the feud. It's the perfect cover for one of the mafioso.
GeneralHankerchief
10-07-2006, 22:26
What had happened to cause such a feud in the Frontroom? Chief of Police Beirut wondered if the Kingdom of Peace and Love wasn't so peaceful and loving after all. First people start getting killed off every day and now a feud threatens to rip the place apart. Over half the votes cast were for the main participants of the feud, discovery1 and Ice.
Beirut braced himself for the reaction when he read who was to be executed.
"Ok, you have decided that... Disco is guilty."
Half the crowd cheered. Half the crowd booed. Disco's eyes shot daggers at Ice as he was dragged to the execution platform. Ice, victorious, just smirked. As Disco reached the platform, he began to speak.
"Okay, you know what, I may die, but I WILL HAVE MY VENGEANCE! Because Ice, and all those people who voted with him, will soon feel the wrath of the CHIEF! And at the end of the day, Ann Arbor will be nuked and the Illini will reign supreme! And then you will all rue the day that you crossed Discovery1 and the Chief! Die Ice die Ice die Ice di-"
He was cut off as Beirut, annoyed, force-fed Disco the poison. Disco dropped mid-sentence.
Beirut turned back to the crowd. "Well gentlemen, that's it. Go home."
Here is the vote tally for Session 2:
discovery1: 7 (Ice, Sir Moody, Divine Wind, Cowhead418, Dutch_guy, Destroyer of Hope, Csar) :skull:
Ice: 4 (discovery1, Leet Eriksson, Big King Sanctaphrax, AggonyDuck)
Sasaki Kojiro: 3 (Crazed Rabbit, Ignoramus, King Henry V)
Leet Eriksson: 2 (doc_bean, UltraWar)
Ignoramus: 2 (Sasaki Kojiro, Lemur)
The Spartan: 1 (Sigurd Fafnesbane)
Csar: 1 (Drisos)
Abstained: 2 (Zalmoxis, Reenk Roink)
Didn't vote: 5 (The Spartan, Orb, Masy, Kommodus, Byzantine Mercenary)
~~~~~~~
Still alive:
Sasaki Kojiro
UltraWar
Sigurd Fafnesbane
doc_bean
Dutch_guy
The Spartan
Orb
Sir Moody
Csar
King Henry V
Ignoramus
Reenk Roink
Crazed Rabbit
Ice
Zalmoxis
Destroyer of Hope
Drisos
Masy
Big King Sanctaphrax
Divine Wind
Cowhead418
Kommodus
AggonyDuck
Lemur
Leet Eriksson
Byzantine Mercenary
Killed:
Silver Rusher
Tiberius
Evil Maniac From Mars
Myrddraal
Executed:
Kagemusha
discovery1
Does anyone else find it strange that Spartan hasn't voted or posted since he joined? He is usually very active is he not? Just thought I would point that out.
Leet Eriksson
10-07-2006, 23:22
R.I.P Disco
WE SHALL CARRY ON THE ANTI-ICE CRUSADE!!
Here is an advance vote for the next day you punks:
ICE
discovery1
10-07-2006, 23:44
I don't suppose me agreeing to end the feud would have done any good would it?
And how have you been encouraging discussion?
Maybe I haven't been as active as I should, but I got Ultrawar talking didn't I?
Voting for someone usually get them talking. The Spartan seems to be taking some PT though.
I don't suppose me agreeing to end the feud would have done any good would it?
I'll accept a truce for next game.
Sasaki Kojiro
10-08-2006, 01:42
R.I.P Disco
WE SHALL CARRY ON THE ANTI-ICE CRUSADE!!
Here is an advance vote for the next day you punks:
ICE
I have to say...if you continue with this you will probably get lynched.
Zalmoxis
10-08-2006, 02:28
Does anyone else find it strange that Spartan hasn't voted or posted since he joined? He is usually very active is he not? Just thought I would point that out.
Could be that he's the detective, or could be that he's gone a few days, who knows?
Could be that he's the detective, or could be that he's gone a few days, who knows?
He's been on today I checked right after I posted that. I was just making an observation cause he's usually really active.
GeneralHankerchief
10-08-2006, 03:16
Just a heads-up, the kills will be posted a little late because I will be out all day tomorrow (Sunday).
Probably around 1 AM for you GMTers, 8 PM for the ESTers.
Leet Eriksson
10-08-2006, 12:07
I have to say...if you continue with this you will probably get lynched.
You can't intimidate me!!
DEATH TO ICE
Silver Rusher
10-08-2006, 15:50
Well, I was going to wait until after the next kills but they will be a little late, so:
SASAKI KOJIRO IS GUILTY.
Quick note: Please make sure you have read and understood everything written in this post before making a judgement.
My suspicions of Sasaki began when he abandoned his logical accusations of Drisos to vote for DoH, after Drisos had already been bandwagoned, just because DoH posted. :inquisitive: The reasoning for this being that DoH is never active, despite voting well in every round during his life in The Godfather, a game in which Sasaki was probably the most active participant. :inquisitive: When this was pointed out, he answered:
He was in The Godfather? No way.
before quickly changing the subject. It was around this time that Myrddraal, seeing my suspicions of Sasaki, PM'd me with a plan that could hopefully trick Sasaki into killing him if he was a mafioso. He started with a PM to Sasaki saying he was convinced of his innocence, before PMing him again with a 'plan' to PM certain people each round, claiming to be the detective to them. Now, by Sasaki Kojiro's own logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1258994&postcount=89) this means it is very likely Myrddraal is the detective, right? Especially when he says things like these:
As I posted in the thread, I'm tending towards thinking Drisos is innocent. From the chat Csar sounds very innocent, but then again, basing stuff on peoples attitudes in chat may be very naive so I'm trying not to let that affect me.
Showing Sasaki he may have investigated Drisos and Csar.
Anyway the reason I'm contacting you is to ask you a question: can you think of a reason the detective would contact someone he hadn't investigated yet?
Back to Sasaki's own logic.
I'd like to contact one person every other round claiming to be the detective, and see if one of those rounds I get killed. Using the chance to kill the detective as bait.
Of course, an umbrella is put in to make sure Sasaki doesn't think this is too obvious a move:
So the mafia probably wouldn't fall for something as simple as that, so the pm I send would imply that I've contacted several people (to give the mafia cover should they wish to kill me). I'm thinking of something like this:
The trap is baited. Does it work?
Perfectly, in fact. Myrddraal is killed next round. Even at this point though, I wasn't too sure. There was still the possibility of a coincidence.
But no, Sasaki eventually managed to finish off the case against himself by posting this:
Consider this before you vote for me:
What are the odds, given last game, that the detective investigated me? If he did and got a guilty result you'll find out sooner or later.
Take him away, boys.
If you want to see Myrddraal's full PM to me detailing his plan, just PM me and ask.
EDIT: By the way, thanks to Tiberius for creating the reasoning that got me suspicious of him in the first place and Myrddraal for creating the evidence against him. The MVFJA has done well.
Avicenna
10-08-2006, 17:25
Boys and girls. Us MVFJA don't want to be accused of sexism now, do we?
Well Sasaki what do you have to say for yourself?
Sasaki Kojiro
10-08-2006, 18:47
That doesn't follow Silver.
Anyone who can read would have unvoted Drisos after his defence of himself. That's a no-brainer. I don't remember a single post by DoH in the Godfather, he can't have posted anything significant and I didn't think on it furthur. Crazed Rabbit didn't either as you'd note. A significant change in posting behavior is an excellent reason to vote someone. I flippantly dismissed your charge to indicate that it was weak. You really suggest that I abandoned my vote on Drisos (saving his life) to give the first vote on someone with logic I knew to be false? Why? You've never answered that question.
As for Myddraal:
I'm going to take the risk of contacting you early. I think you're innocent. Why?
Because if you were mafia, I think you would certainly claim to be monitoring pm's as you did. But I don't think you would have actually bothered. The fact that you knew he was pm'ing econ (which I can confirm since I was testing with him) shows that you actually were monitoring the pms.
I really don't have any experience of mafia games to go on, but I don't think even the devilish Sasaki Kojiro would go into that depth were he mafia. :grin:
I may be making a massive mistake, but hey, you win some you loose some.
I'm a villager. I have nothing to prove it, take it or leave it as you will.
As I posted in the thread, I'm tending towards thinking Drisos is innocent. From the chat Csar sounds very innocent, but then again, basing stuff on peoples attitudes in chat may be very naive so I'm trying not to let that affect me.
Anyway the reason I'm contacting you is to ask you a question: can you think of a reason the detective would contact someone he hadn't investigated yet?
I'm trying to think of a way to use myself as bait. Since I'm not the detective (again, only my word to proove it) I'm expendible if you like. I'd like to contact one person every other round claiming to be the detective, and see if one of those rounds I get killed. Using the chance to kill the detective as bait.
So the mafia probably wouldn't fall for something as simple as that, so the pm I send would imply that I've contacted several people (to give the mafia cover should they wish to kill me). I'm thinking of something like this:
"Hello Sasaki,
I'm the detective. I investigated you last turn and since I think GH hasn't included any false results for the detective, I feel confident enough to contact you (even though the thread title 'night of the living mafia' makes me suspicious there may be more to this game than he claims).
I've decided to PM the (x) people I've investigated this turn to see if we can co-ordinate our actions (like masons in Sasaki's game). I think the more information we share, the more powerful the villagers will be.
Anyway, I'll tip you off if you vote for an innocent.
ttyl
Myrddraal"
However, re-reading my own ideas, it sounds so unbelievable that no half-wit would fall for it. I think I'm wasting my time. If you have any better ideas, you probably don't want to reveal them to me, remember, I might be mafia :wink:
Dave
I'm going to take the risk of contacting you early. I think you're innocent. Why?
I'm innocent (didn't you see my custom title?) but it's not a risk. If I were mafia and you thought I was innocent I wouldn't be likely to kill you now would I :p
Perhaps that was your plan :p
As I posted in the thread, I'm tending towards thinking Drisos is innocent. From the chat Csar sounds very innocent, but then again, basing stuff on peoples attitudes in chat may be very naive so I'm trying not to let that affect me.
I think Drisos is innocent as well. It's interesting to see those who continue voting for him.
As for Csar, I always think of the mafia as clever masterminds and that doesn't fit Csar. Mind you it didn't fit Gertgregoor in Mafia III either, I never suspected him.
Anyway the reason I'm contacting you is to ask you a question: can you think of a reason the detective would contact someone he hadn't investigated yet?
I'm trying to think of a way to use myself as bait. Since I'm not the detective (again, only my word to proove it) I'm expendible if you like. I'd like to contact one person every other round claiming to be the detective, and see if one of those rounds I get killed. Using the chance to kill the detective as bait.
So the mafia probably wouldn't fall for something as simple as that, so the pm I send would imply that I've contacted several people (to give the mafia cover should they wish to kill me). I'm thinking of something like this:
"Hello Sasaki,
I'm the detective. I investigated you last turn and since I think GH hasn't included any false results for the detective, I feel confident enough to contact you (even though the thread title 'night of the living mafia' makes me suspicious there may be more to this game than he claims).
I've decided to PM the (x) people I've investigated this turn to see if we can co-ordinate our actions (like masons in Sasaki's game). I think the more information we share, the more powerful the villagers will be.
Anyway, I'll tip you off if you vote for an innocent.
ttyl
Myrddraal"
However, re-reading my own ideas, it sounds so unbelievable that no half-wit would fall for it. I think I'm wasting my time. If you have any better ideas, you probably don't want to reveal them to me, remember, I might be mafia :wink:
Dave
I like your idea but agree you are going about it in entirely the wrong way. For one thing GH wouldn't change the rules around, we all know that.
Now, something like posting this in the thread:
"Perhaps it would be a good idea if we provided suggestions as to who the detective should investigate?"
Might lead the mafia to believe you are the detective, especially if they were paying attention to my argument against Drisos. You'd certainly accomplish your goal of bait, but you wouldn't learn anything about who the mafia are.
Perhaps you could try pm'ing certain people and simply asking them if they found so-and-so suspicious (so-and-so being someone you're "sure" isn't mafia). This could also make them believe you are the detective.
Sasaki
but you wouldn't learn anything about who the mafia are.
Exactly, the false info I give out needs to be controlled. I need to know that only so-and-so suspects me as detective. The more I look at it, the more of a long shot is seems.
I think pms without full out revelation are the only way of doing it, and it's a risky business. What if the mafia want me dead anyway? It would lead to a false conclusion on my part.
The alternative is to give a reason for trust in a pm to someone, then say:
"I think I'm going to try to offer myself as bait to the mafia. I'll pretend to be the detective in a pm to Sasaki asking him for advice. If I die next round, then we know that Sasaki is mafia"
If I'd contacted the mafia, they might kill me the next round to frame you.
Of course that would be gambling even more on your innocence :sweatdrop:
Of course, maybe this was my plan all along and you're the person I'm testing :evilgrin:
I guess it comes down to whether you think I'm a moron or not.
The detective Wouldn't try a baiting plan like Mydrals. Why would he risk his own life when he has so much to offer the village?
Since it's obvious Myrddraal isn't the detective, why on earth would I kill him, especially after:
"I think I'm going to try to offer myself as bait to the mafia. I'll pretend to be the detective in a pm to Sasaki asking him for advice. If I die next round, then we know that Sasaki is mafia"
Of course, maybe this was my plan all along and you're the person I'm testing :evilgrin:
I'd have to be an idiot to fall for either of these "traps" silver and myrddraal set.
Surely Tiberius, as a former detective, you wouldn't try and bait someone into killing you?
Avicenna
10-08-2006, 19:00
It's the only way you can even try to defend yourself. If Myrddral hadn't died, then you knew that you would be nailed as you would be shown as trying not to give any clues. It was your only way out, except Silver is too good at this.
Sasaki Kojiro
10-08-2006, 19:06
It's the only way you can even try to defend yourself. If Myrddral hadn't died, then you knew that you would be nailed as you would be shown as trying not to give any clues. It was your only way out, except Silver is too good at this.
What? No seriously I don't know what that 2nd sentance means. I'm guilty because I killed Myrddraal but if I hadn't I would be just as guilty? By the simple act of PM'ing me he proved me guilty?
You didn't even respond to my post.
Silver Rusher
10-08-2006, 19:16
Since it's obvious Myrddraal isn't the detective, why on earth would I kill him, especially after:
It doesn't matter whether you think Myrddraal is the detective or not, the risk is still there. The risk that he is the detective and he could be about to investigate you to make sure that you are innocent. If I were in your position I would have though "OK, I need to kill the detective. Now, I have no leads other than the PM Myrddraal just sent me. I am not sure whether this definitely makes him the detective but allowing a possible detective to live when the risk of him investigating me is so huge it would be the biggest blunder I could possibly have made not to kill him."
Why would he risk his own life when he has so much to offer the village?
If Myrddraal was convinced of your innocence, he would have had thought it a risk anyway (and when he PM'd me it did sound like he was fairly convinced, just so you know).
Anyone who can read would have unvoted Drisos after his defence of himself. That's a no-brainer. I don't remember a single post by DoH in the Godfather, he can't have posted anything significant and I didn't think on it furthur. Crazed Rabbit didn't either as you'd note. A significant change in posting behavior is an excellent reason to vote someone. I flippantly dismissed your charge to indicate that it was weak. You really suggest that I abandoned my vote on Drisos (saving his life) to give the first vote on someone with logic I knew to be false? Why? You've never answered that question.
Sasaki, even if you really did believe that DoH wasn't in the Godfather, it was still very bad logic. You cannot defend the fact that you voted for DoH just because he posted.
Calling yourself an idiot won't stop people from voting for you, so I wouldn't bother.
Big King Sanctaphrax
10-08-2006, 19:22
This seems rather silly. What reason would Sasaki have for killing Myrdraal? Since the whole premise of his post was 'if anyone kills me after this, I'll know he's the mafia', killing him would appear to be the last thing that he would want to do. As for killing him because he might be the detective, why would he bother with this complicated deception if he was? He'd just investigate Sasaki.
Sorry, I don't buy this.
Sasaki Kojiro
10-08-2006, 19:35
It doesn't matter whether you think Myrddraal is the detective or not, the risk is still there. The risk that he is the detective and he could be about to investigate you to make sure that you are innocent. If I were in your position I would have though "OK, I need to kill the detective. Now, I have no leads other than the PM Myrddraal just sent me. I am not sure whether this definitely makes him the detective but allowing a possible detective to live when the risk of him investigating me is so huge it would be the biggest blunder I could possibly have made not to kill him."
Honestly if I were mafia in this game after the last, I would be very hard put with regards to the detective. That makes sense. Killing someone who thinks I'm innocent would be the last thing I would do. As well as, say, posting so much that everyone in the game is at least thinking of me and the detective has to at least consider investigating me.
If Myrddraal was convinced of your innocence, he would have had thought it a risk anyway (and when he PM'd me it did sound like he was fairly convinced, just so you know).
No, you misunderstand. From my point of view, reading his pm's, he was discussing baiting someone else. Someone whose innocence he wasn't convinced of. The detective wouldn't do that
Sasaki, even if you really did believe that DoH wasn't in the Godfather, it was still very bad logic. You cannot defend the fact that you voted for DoH just because he posted.
No it isn't. Someone who has no interest in the game suddenly becomes interested when they are selected mafioso. I suspect most of the people who don't participate only signed up on the hope of being selected. It is as I said an excellent reason.
Calling yourself an idiot won't stop people from voting for you, so I wouldn't bother.
Ah, but I'm saying I'm not an idiot.
Oh and to end with, I'd just like to examine Silver Rushers track record:
Guys, I have been talking to Gert and AggonyDuck in the chat and I think they are both pretty well innocent. Everyone change your vote to Wonderland(NOT A VOTE)! Victory approaches!
yeah, I can't remember why I accused Wonderland, guess I was doing some form of ghost bandwagoning. I don't think it's him either.
Weeeell I think I have been able to narrow down the suspects a bit and funnily enough, EMFM is the only one left.
Crazed Rabbit (good voting record)
SSNeoperestroika (very good voting record)
AggonyDuck (convinced me in various ways, could be guilty though)
evil_maniac from mars (no evidence would make me think he is innocent, he is also a historical guy and the kills have moved on from Thracian weaponry)
Lemur (I think I'm gonna say bad villager on this one)
Kommodus (also convinced me in various ways, voting record good, etc.)
Gertgregoor (also convinced me in various ways (his behavior seems good), could still be guilty)
Wonderland (I will take Crazed_Rabbits word for it, he seems innocent)
While none of this evidence, except in SSNeoperestroika's case, can make me sure that they are innocent, probably safest to go after EMFM this round.
Oh GAH I don't know. This is too difficult. If the remaining mafioso isn't EMFM I have to say good job to them, you really have confused me.
It's either Wonderland or Evil_Maniac From Mars. I'm leaning more heavily on EMFM though. (NOT A VOTE)
Myrddraal
10-08-2006, 19:40
Well the plan had two parts, I offered Sasaki two reasons for killing me.
1. I might be the detective
2. If I'm not the detective, then he can easily frame someone by killing me.
The thing is, I PMd Sasaki saying I was going to carry out the 'plan', but I never did. I never PM'd anyone apart from Sasaki (and Silver but he was dead).
The idea of this plan was:
Sasaki get's given two reasons to kill me if he's mafia. I never carry out the plan ensuring that only Sasaki knows about it.
If I didn't die I would PM Sasaki after the next round saying I'd lost faith in him. If he was mafia, he would immediately suspect me of being detective and that I'd investigated him and he'd kill me off.
If I still didn't die after that I would be convinced of Sasaki's innocence, and I would actually carry out the plan I had suggested on other people, changing the bait from being a chance to kill the detective to being a chance to frame Sasaki.
Unfortunately I died before the plan could get that far. Sorry to have done that to you Sasaki, I was hoping I wouldn't be killed and your innocence would be proven to me.
I'm not convinced you're mafia, but it's a risk which the town can't afford to take. Sorry m8, but this game is bad for your character.
I urge you to vote Sasaki.
Silver Rusher
10-08-2006, 19:42
This seems rather silly. What reason would Sasaki have for killing Myrdraal? Since the whole premise of his post was 'if anyone kills me after this, I'll know he's the mafia', killing him would appear to be the last thing that he would want to do.
I think you misunderstood the PM.
The idea was for Myrddraal to be cooperating with Sasaki, finding other people. If you were in the mafia, your primary objective would be to kill the detective, right? If somebody PMs you with a bunch of stuff which makes it possible that they are the detective, why not kill them? You have no leads on anybody else.
As for killing him because he might be the detective, why would he bother with this complicated deception if he was? He'd just investigate Sasaki.
Because then it wouldn't necessarily be a deception.
Silver Rusher
10-08-2006, 19:44
Oh and to end with, I'd just like to examine Silver Rushers track record:
I was wondering how long it would take before you did that.
AggonyDuck
10-08-2006, 20:17
A question to the MVFJA:
Is there any chance that your cunning plan leaked somewhere along the way? If a mafioso learned about your plan to test whether Sasaki was guilty or not, what would stop him from killing Myrdraal and thus framing Sasaki.
Now to the matter at hand though. We have two incidents here that may or may not be related. Firstly Myrdraal was PM'ing his "things" to Sasaki, and secondly Myrdraal died the following round. Is this just a freaky coincidence or is Sasaki guilty? There are three options that come to mind on what caused the death of Myrdraal:
1. A mafioso just killed Myrdraal on random and Sasaki/Myrdraal thingy is just a freaky coincidence.
2. Somehow the plan was leaked and a mafioso learned of the plan, and used it to frame Sasaki.
3. Sasaki is a mafioso and killed Myrdraal
I am personally not sure which is true here, but it is unlikely that this is just coincidental. Thus it might be likely that we have to lynch Sasaki, unless some convincing evidence comes forth.
Silver Rusher
10-08-2006, 20:20
A question to the MVFJA:
Is there any chance that your cunning plan leaked somewhere along the way? If a mafioso learned about your plan to test whether Sasaki was guilty or not, what would stop him from killing Myrdraal and thus framing Sasaki.
Now to the matter at hand though. We have two incidents here that may or may not be related. Firstly Myrdraal was PM'ing his "things" to Sasaki, and secondly Myrdraal died the following round. Is this just a freaky coincidence or is Sasaki guilty? There are three options that come to mind on what caused the death of Myrdraal:
1. A mafioso just killed Myrdraal on random and Sasaki/Myrdraal thingy is just a freaky coincidence.
2. Somehow the plan was leaked and a mafioso learned of the plan, and used it to frame Sasaki.
3. Sasaki is a mafioso and killed Myrdraal
I am personally not sure which is true here, but it is unlikely that this is just coincidental. Thus it might be likely that we have to lynch Sasaki, unless some convincing evidence comes forth.
Well, I didn't tell anyone about it and I don't think anyone else did. Number 1 is a likely option but Sasaki's post about the detective coming forth if he is guilty fits in perfectly. Of course, it would still be a reasonable thing to say if he is innocent, but it would make the coincidence even bigger and less likely.
Myrddraal
10-08-2006, 20:26
1. A mafioso just killed Myrdraal on random and Sasaki/Myrdraal thingy is just a freaky coincidence.
2. Somehow the plan was leaked and a mafioso learned of the plan, and used it to frame Sasaki.
3. Sasaki is a mafioso and killed Myrdraal
Option 2 didn't happen. The only remaining options are 1 and 3. Personally I don't know which is true, but like I said: It's a risk we cannot take.
Unless something pressing happens and we really need to vote someone else, I think we won't take the risc, Myd. ~;)
After carefully reading, I'm not convinced of either option 1 or 3. it would be a big coincedence if sasaki is not mafia.. but is is possible of course.
however.. I'm feeling suspicious towards people not reacting to this. it's likely for mafia to keep out of real discussion as it is dangerous for them.
Silver Rusher
10-08-2006, 20:47
Unless something pressing happens and we really need to vote someone else, I think we won't take the risc, Myd. ~;)
After carefully reading, I'm not convinced of either option 1 or 3. it would be a big coincedence if sasaki is not mafia.. but is is possible of course.
however.. I'm feeling suspicious towards people not reacting to this. it's likely for mafia to keep out of real discussion as it is dangerous for them.
What else is there?
What else is there?
I wouldn't know really.. it is of course possible the mafia makes a big mistake in posting, pm'ing or posting times so we want to eliminate someone else first. or the detective stepping up. but that's not likely as dead people can talk as well. ~;)
Perhaps the mafia killed Myrdraall for some other reason? There's a lot of pages to trawl through to check, but maybe it was for something else. Im sure the next killings will reveal something we can work with.
Sasaki Kojiro
10-08-2006, 21:04
I was wondering how long it would take before you did that.
It is rather significant isn't it?
1. I might be the detective
2. If I'm not the detective, then he can easily frame someone by killing me.
1. As I showed earlier, your pm's don't make you seem like the detective in the slightest, in fact quite the opposite. In addition, you profess to believe in my innocence, another reason not to kill you.
2. Frame someone? AggonyDuck is the only person I can recall who has been lynched on a frame and that was ages ago. Why would I care about framing someone day 2? It's pretty much a given that we're going to lynch a townie.
I'm sorry, neither of those are good reasons. OTOH, you were making very well reasoned, thoughtful posts, and had abstained in the voting. It's not like you weren't a good choice for the mafia anyway.
It's a risk we cannot take.
Yes you can. There is a detective, the real detective will be keeping quiet so as not to draw the mafia's attention, he's probably investigated me already and he certainly will after this round. Also, speculation from the dead is allowed.
The discussion I've been generating is invaluable to the town and I'm sure I can provide some usefull insight as well. You'll get neither if you lynch me.
btw, the real mafia is quietly lurking and ROFL.
Silver Rusher
10-08-2006, 21:20
btw, the real mafia is quietly lurking and ROFL.
If it's not you, then yes.
Stop laughing!
Avicenna
10-08-2006, 21:36
A question to the MVFJA:
Is there any chance that your cunning plan leaked somewhere along the way?
Not a chance.
1) Sasaki hasn't, as he would have said so by now if he did to add to his defence.
2) Silver hasn't, as he wants to win and wants the MVFJA to be a success. Also, to get his revenge on the mafia.
3) Myrdd isn't mafia and wouldn't want to risk his life for.. well.. nothing, as it would be, if the plan leaked.
4) Me and EMFM probably weren't told about it. I know for sure I wasn't.
Big King Sanctaphrax
10-08-2006, 21:50
As I showed earlier, your pm's don't make you seem like the detective in the slightest, in fact quite the opposite. In addition, you profess to believe in my innocence, another reason not to kill you.
This, to me, is the main reason I'm not going to vote for Sasaki this round. I see very little in those PMs that would make me think Myr was the detective, if I was in Sasaki's shoes.
I say we just implore the real detective to investigate Sasaki.
Sasaki Kojiro
10-08-2006, 21:57
Tiberius, why don't you answer my posts?
Myrddraal
10-08-2006, 22:16
You'll get neither if you lynch me.
Why would that be?
Sasaki Kojiro
10-08-2006, 22:23
Why would that be?
I'm spiteful ~;p
You're inbox is full btw.
Sir Moody
10-08-2006, 22:27
I think we are going to have to face it this entire thing is blown way up and stright into the mafias hands
if Sasaki isnt mafia then they will be doing theyre best to frame him for the rest of the game so basically i think we are going to HAVE to execute Sas if only to stop the mafia from using him to hide
Sasaki Kojiro
10-08-2006, 22:34
I think we are going to have to face it this entire thing is blown way up and stright into the mafias hands
if Sasaki isnt mafia then they will be doing theyre best to frame him for the rest of the game so basically i think we are going to HAVE to execute Sas if only to stop the mafia from using him to hide
But them using me to hide will give us clues as to who they are.
Byzantine Mercenary
10-08-2006, 23:10
I vote Sasaki Kojiro why?
well i see it this way, Sasaki is doing most of the talking and working here so it seems to me most important that we be sure that what he says has no bias, if he is inocent im sure that wont stop him posting if he dies and we will be sure that what he says is not a trick and therefore more reliable, so the vote would be win win almost, i dont think there is any real why Sasaki Kojiro might be any more likely to be mafia then anyone else but hes equally likely to be mafia as anyone else
Sasaki Kojiro
10-08-2006, 23:22
I vote Sasaki Kojiro why?
well i see it this way, Sasaki is doing most of the talking and working here so it seems to me most important that we be sure that what he says has no bias, if he is inocent im sure that wont stop him posting if he dies and we will be sure that what he says is not a trick and therefore more reliable, so the vote would be win win almost, i dont think there is any real why Sasaki Kojiro might be any more likely to be mafia then anyone else but hes equally likely to be mafia as anyone else
If I'm lynched I won't be confirmed innocent.
And voting hasn't started yet.
Sasaki I saw what you wrote about me and it wasn't nice.:no:
Sasaki Kojiro
10-09-2006, 00:04
Sasaki I saw what you wrote about me and it wasn't nice.:no:
Oh come now, it's not that insulting. Sorry if I offended though m8.
Oh come now, it's not that insulting. Sorry if I offended though m8.
No problem that post was a joke. Was just thinking on the current events of the game. Interesting to say the least.:book:
Evil_Maniac From Mars
10-09-2006, 00:34
4) Me and EMFM probably weren't told about it. I know for sure I wasn't.
I wasn't until today.
Byzantine Mercenary
10-09-2006, 00:50
If I'm lynched I won't be confirmed innocent.
And voting hasn't started yet.
whoops i missed the lynching thought voting was still on, my bad
Crazed Rabbit
10-09-2006, 01:01
To me, Myrd getting offed seems just to much of a coincidence to be dismissed.
Sasaki, if he believed Myrd was going to PM others, might have killed him, as he would've thought Myrd would've defended him, thinking him innocent.
Also, on Silver's record in Mafia III... you'll note he changed his tone on Wonderland after he got my PM (I was detective that round, though did not state it in the PM). If I should get such a PM I might change my mind.
Of course, when the kills are posted Sasaki might be offed...
Crazed Rabbit
Cowhead418
10-09-2006, 01:13
To me, Myrd getting offed seems just to much of a coincidence to be dismissed.
Sasaki, if he believed Myrd was going to PM others, might have killed him, as he would've thought Myrd would've defended him, thinking him innocent.
Also, on Silver's record in Mafia III... you'll note he changed his tone on Wonderland after he got my PM (I was detective that round, though did not state it in the PM). If I should get such a PM I might change my mind.
Of course, when the kills are posted Sasaki might be offed...
Crazed RabbitThat makes zero sense, a suspected villager is the mafia's best friend. As for Sasaki's guilt, I'm not sure. In the PM, Myrd revealed his plan to claim to be the detective, which would make me think he isn't actually the detective. Also, he is right in that the mafia wouldn't want to kill someone who believed in their innocence. Sasaki has been a proven manipulative mastermind, so I don't think he'd be stupid enough to take the risk.
On the other hand, the death of Myrd does seem to be a bit too coincidental. Hmmmm...
GeneralHankerchief
10-09-2006, 02:55
Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. Leet Eriksson had been up all night, in a rage over the graphic execution of his friend discovery1. When the sun rose, Leet strode into an alley, and screamed at the top of his lungs.
"RIP Disco! You will not be forgotten!"
As soon as he finished screaming, a beat could be heard from an above window. Heavy metal music was playing. In came the angry guitar riff.
The music only served to make Leet angrier. Curse this mafia for infesting the Frontroom with its plague! He started hurling trash cans around and screaming blindly. In short, Leet was in a pure viking-style rage.
Totally unaware of what was going on around him, the rage suddenly stopped as he felt a garrote around his neck. The mafioso had snuck up behind him in broad daylight! This was unacceptable! Leet struggled to break free, but the Strength of Norge was depleted due to his earlier rage. It was no use, and soon Leet Eriksson lay dead in the alley, the heavy music still going strong.
Later that day, Csar was relaxing in his comfortable chair in his large house. Things were going well. The person he had suspected was executed, and he was celebrating by smoking a Cuban cigar and drinking a fine Cognac, sitting by the crackling fireplace. He found himself drifting off to sleep. Ah, life was good.
About an hour later, he woke up. While stretching to yawn, he realized that he couldn't stretch! Someone had bound him tightly to the chair while he was sleeping! Csar looked around wildly for any other sign of disturbance, and found that all the bottles of expensive liquor in his home bar were empty. But then, he realized that everything around him - chair, clothes, hair, floor, walls, were all saturated with something. This wasn't good.
A cloaked figure entered the room. He looked at Csar, and laughed. Csar called out angrily:
"What is the meaning of this?"
The mafioso laughed again, and took his time selecting the finest cigar from Csar's box of Cubans. "A good brand," he said as if trying to make conversation, "but have you selected a proper humidor? Without care, they do tend to become dry...
"...flammable."
The mafioso then took out a match and lit up, savoring a few puffs. He then began to walk out of the room. Csar looked on in horror as the mafioso tossed the match backwards.
Immediately the room, including Csar, went up in flames. The fire soon spread to the rest of the nice house as the mafioso walked away, puffing happily.
Later that day, Chief of Police Beirut gathered the ever-decreasing villagers in the Frontroom center.
"Gentlemen," he began, "the mafia are still active. It is clear to me that poisoning isn't scaring them, so we're going to try something different."
He took out a large, sharp weapon that nobody had ever seen before, and grinned evilly. "This is a weapon of my own invention. I'm about to go medieval on whosever butt is guilty. Get voting!"
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Sasaki why did you kill me?
Was I that big of a threat?
Sasaki Kojiro
10-09-2006, 03:26
Leet is an interesting choice because he was under enough suspicion that he could have been lynched. Perhaps a poor attempt at framing Ice.
Csar was under some suspicion as well (got votes at least). Odd choices.
Leet is an interesting choice because he was under enough suspicion that he could have been lynched. Perhaps a poor attempt at framing Ice.
I'd say rather poor.
Don't lie Sasaki you killed me why don't you admit it. I know it was you.
SR does this mean I get to join the MVFJA
Ice your a mafioso too don't lie.
Sasaki Kojiro
10-09-2006, 03:33
Don't lie Sasaki you killed me why don't you admit it. I know it was you.
SR does this mean I get to join the
No way Csar I wouldn't have killed you. I'd keep the active posters alive so that in the endgame people weren't like "why is Sasaki the only active poster alive".
Oh and something else I think may be useful is that me and Leet are active chat users.
Well at least now you all know I was innocent.
Kommodus
10-09-2006, 04:31
Wow, the townspeople are really working hard to be as clever as possible in this game. I feel sorry for the Mafia.
Silver and Myrdraal, that's a clever trap you set for 'ol Sasaki. You definitely get an "A" for effort - I've never seen someone work so hard to find the mafia, in just about every game. However, if I properly understand the sequence of PM's that went back and forth, I have to say I think you're making a mistake. Killing Myrdraal would not be a logical course for Sasaki, were he truly guilty.
No, my friends, the guilty party here is Masy. How do I know, you ask? You probably won't like my answer. You may remember how, at the end of Mafia III, I said that if I had really been a villager, I'd have looked for a new method of analysis, rather than using my tired, old, and easily-defeated spreadsheet from Mafia II.
Well, that's what I've been working on, and it's yielded results, with greater speed and reliability than my older methods. Unfortunately, as in Mafia II, I can't reveal it at this time. Why, you ask? Once again, because knowledge of it would help the mafia defeat it.
However, I am very confident of this: Masy is in the mafia. Do the town a favor and take 'im down.
Masy, oh Masy the Mafioso, please do not take this personally. Having been a mobster previously, I know it can be a difficult burden to bear, and I have respect for all who must wear the mantle. I hope you've enjoyed your time in the Cosa Nostra, and a part of me wishes it'd lasted longer, as I know you do. You had a tremendous challenge before you.
Vote: Masy
discovery1
10-09-2006, 04:49
Wow, the townspeople are really working hard to be as clever as possible in this game. I feel sorry for the Mafia.
Silver and Myrdraal, that's a clever trap you set for 'ol Sasaki. You definitely get an "A" for effort - I've never seen someone work so hard to find the mafia, in just about every game. However, if I properly understand the sequence of PM's that went back and forth, I have to say I think you're making a mistake. Killing Myrdraal would not be a logical course for Sasaki, were he truly guilty.
No, my friends, the guilty party here is Masy. How do I know, you ask? You probably won't like my answer. You may remember how, at the end of Mafia III, I said that if I had really been a villager, I'd have looked for a new method of analysis, rather than using my tired, old, and easily-defeated spreadsheet from Mafia II.
Well, that's what I've been working on, and it's yielded results, with greater speed and reliability than my older methods. Unfortunately, as in Mafia II, I can't reveal it at this time. Why, you ask? Once again, because knowledge of it would help the mafia defeat it.
However, I am very confident of this: Masy is in the mafia. Do the town a favor and take 'im down.
Masy, oh Masy the Mafioso, please do not take this personally. Having been a mobster previously, I know it can be a difficult burden to bear, and I have respect for all who must wear the mantle. I hope you've enjoyed your time in the Cosa Nostra, and a part of me wishes it'd lasted longer, as I know you do. You had a tremendous challenge before you.
Vote: Masy
Way to be totally sketch. YOu make me wish I set you as my target rather then Ice. You both side with him AND put forward the weakest of arguements.
Crazed Rabbit
10-09-2006, 04:54
Vote: Sasaki
Same reasons as;
To me, Myrd getting offed seems just to much of a coincidence to be dismissed.
Sasaki, if he believed Myrd was going to PM others, might have killed him, as he would've thought Myrd would've defended him, thinking him innocent.
Also, on Silver's record in Mafia III... you'll note he changed his tone on Wonderland after he got my PM (I was detective that round, though did not state it in the PM).
CR
discovery1
10-09-2006, 05:32
And might I add that you sided with Ice for no real reason, since I vote for him because he goes to U of M at Ann Arbor.
Wow, the townspeople are really working hard to be as clever as possible in this game. I feel sorry for the Mafia.
Silver and Myrdraal, that's a clever trap you set for 'ol Sasaki. You definitely get an "A" for effort - I've never seen someone work so hard to find the mafia, in just about every game. However, if I properly understand the sequence of PM's that went back and forth, I have to say I think you're making a mistake. Killing Myrdraal would not be a logical course for Sasaki, were he truly guilty.
No, my friends, the guilty party here is Masy. How do I know, you ask? You probably won't like my answer. You may remember how, at the end of Mafia III, I said that if I had really been a villager, I'd have looked for a new method of analysis, rather than using my tired, old, and easily-defeated spreadsheet from Mafia II.
Well, that's what I've been working on, and it's yielded results, with greater speed and reliability than my older methods. Unfortunately, as in Mafia II, I can't reveal it at this time. Why, you ask? Once again, because knowledge of it would help the mafia defeat it.
However, I am very confident of this: Masy is in the mafia. Do the town a favor and take 'im down.
Masy, oh Masy the Mafioso, please do not take this personally. Having been a mobster previously, I know it can be a difficult burden to bear, and I have respect for all who must wear the mantle. I hope you've enjoyed your time in the Cosa Nostra, and a part of me wishes it'd lasted longer, as I know you do. You had a tremendous challenge before you.
Vote: Masy
I don't see how you could get anything out of two rounds of voting. Like Disco said you voted for him for no reason. But so did I so I'll forgive you for that one. But still how do the villagers know you can trust them?
Vote: Masy
Due to the 'wrong' posting times at the first round, and suspicious posting.
However I'm still highly suspicious of Sasaki. And now Kommodus as well.:book: Long post - but not that much said//:embarassed:
doc_bean
10-09-2006, 08:27
Vote: Kommodus
Certainty after two rounds of voting ? Highly unlikely.
Participating in the Ice/Disco feud ? Highly Suspicious.
Pretending to be the helpful villager ? Errr...dangerous, but if it works it really pays off.
As for Sasaki, I'm still suspicious, but I'm with BKS and Sasaki thinking it just wouldn't make sense. Besides, Sasaki likes playing with people, he would have went along a bit longer I suspect.
Sir Moody
10-09-2006, 09:40
frankly Komms post seems to be 1 of 3 possible things as he says a lot without actually saying anything (:inquisitive: )
Firstly hes a mafia member trying to start a bandwagon - possible but i doubt he would be since he was a mafia member in the last mafia and would need the luck of the Irish to be selected again
Secondly he could be the Detective trying to hide his findings in a lot of babble and hoping we all follow his lead
and lastly he could really have a new method and doesnt want to give us ANY evidence - dodgy if he expects us to trust him
as for sas i think ill give him a stay of execution (this time) as csars death is just too much of a frame job - i still suspect lynching him will be Necessary eventually
this leads me to Byzantine Mercenary - not only did he jump the gun he did so jumping onto a (possibly) certain bandwagon - highly Suspicious
Vote Byzantine Mercenary
Kommodus
10-09-2006, 13:21
Way to be totally sketch. YOu make me wish I set you as my target rather then Ice. You both side with him AND put forward the weakest of arguements.
Come now, discovery1, I had no intention of participating in this "feud" you and Ice seem to have. I voted for you based on a shred of evidence which seemed to be the only thing I had at the time. I do apologize for this, since I now know you were innocent.
As for the rest of you, you can trust me, or not. I participate in these games partly out of intellectual curiosity: can I solve the puzzle before it's too late? In this case I'm already satisfied; my method doesn't require me to be alive in order to work.
I'm still not going to tell you how I did it. Does this disappoint you or make you suspicious? Very well then; so be it. Do what you will; the truth will be out soon enough.
Dutch_guy
10-09-2006, 13:27
So, Masy is a mafioso according to your mysterious evidence, and who else ?
As you said, you can continue your work in death - so why not just save us villagers while you still can ?
:balloon2:
Big King Sanctaphrax
10-09-2006, 13:29
possible but i doubt he would be since he was a mafia member in the last mafia and would need the luck of the Irish to be selected again
This line of thinking is fallacious. He had the same chance of being selected as mafia for this game as any of us.
At the moment, I'm undecided on Kommodus. He does have a history of coming up with good mafia finding tools, but perhaps he's just playing off this? And two rounds of data wouldn't seem to be enough for a concrete conclusion. Mind you, if he was in the Mafia, I'm not sure what good killing Masy would do beyond wasting a lynch and killing an innocent-something which doesn't seem worth drawing attention to yourself for.
I'll sit on the fence for now.
Sir Moody
10-09-2006, 13:38
i know he had as much chance as any of us but i still find it hard to believe someone would be lucky enough to land mafia twice in a row (thats 1/40 ish chance) hence why i dont think he is - for now at least
that said he is doing a very good job of making everyone suspect him
Big King Sanctaphrax
10-09-2006, 13:47
Ah, yes, but he has already been the mafia in one game-the probability of that event is one.
To use a coin toss analogy, the fact you throw five heads in a row doesn't mean heads is any less likely to come up on the next throw.
Myrddraal
10-09-2006, 13:50
The law of averages, one great big lie.
Edit, I also don't like the fact that Sasaki said:
The discussion I've been generating is invaluable to the town and I'm sure I can provide some usefull insight as well. You'll get neither if you lynch me.
Suspicious...
And BKS, remember me being the detective isn't the only reason for killing me if Sasaki is mafia. He can also easily frame someone, since he thinks I'm going ahead with this plan he can also kill off someone who's actively trying to find the mafia with the perfect alibi.
After that round, I planned to pm Sasaki saying I'd lost faith in him, which hopefully would have lead him to the conclusion that as the Detective I had investigated him and realised my mistake, in which case I might have died that round.
Like I said, I'm not convinced of Sasaki's guilt, but I think he's a risk. The only choice I think the townsfolk have is whether or not to allow him to live for a bit. I think leaving him alive till the end is not an option.
Sir Moody
10-09-2006, 14:42
you win - guess it was a good thing i went into programming and not probability :idea2:
doc_bean
10-09-2006, 15:01
:sigh: People are right, if Kommodus were mafia he'd have little reason to want to become the center of attention, if he wanted to kill people he'd just do it at night.
Unvote: Kommodus
Vote: Masy
Because I'd like to see if Kommodus really has a great new system.
Reenk Roink
10-09-2006, 15:14
The Reenkster sees no argument of sufficient value to cast a doubt beyond reasonable excuses.
He abstains, courteously... :bow:
Though I have various other suspicious - almost all fully based on the posts of people. (or the non-posts of people.. people who are not posting at all)
my vote for Masy stands.
However, Kommodus, I'd much appreciate to know this 'reasoning' you're using to identify the mafia. If you don't tell next round, I don't think we'll bangwagon again.
Dutch_guy
10-09-2006, 15:39
I'm voting Masy,I too am quite curious as to Kommodus' new methode - and am going to trust him, this round that is...
:balloon2:
Sasaki Kojiro
10-09-2006, 15:49
I'll Vote:Masy as well. I already had suspicions of him and Kommodus's method in Mafia II was quite effective.
If we lynch who he suggests and the game isn't over then we can just lynch him. Getting two people executed wouldn't be worth getting yourself executed, not at this stage. I think if he was mafia he would have pulled this out in the late game and explained his method.
Big King Sanctaphrax
10-09-2006, 15:52
Alright, I have a bit of time to think about it, and I'm willing to give Kommodus the benefit of the doubt. I Vote: Masy.
As Sasaki says, we can always lynch Kommodus later on.
Crazed Rabbit
10-09-2006, 16:01
Eh? Are we all forgetting about Sasaki? What if Kommodus is his partner and just trying to take the heat off?
Crazed Rabbit
As Sasaki says, we can always lynch Kommodus later on.
Right. But we shouldn't make the 'Lynch if they stay alive for too long'-list too big. Sasaki is on it as well ;) :P
Sasaki, I know you've had your suspicions of Masy before.. but hey! this does look like bandwagoning! would be the first time from your side I think. Susupicious. since Masy will be fried (executed, anyway) anyway it's safe to vote for him, to proove to be a 'good boy villager' however If I'd take that as evidence you all need to be lynched lol.:laugh4:
hmmz.. it's funny I just write what comes to mind and it ends weird at times.:laugh4: :embarassed: :book:
Eh? Are we all forgetting about Sasaki? What if Kommodus is his partner and just trying to take the heat off?
That's what I warned/told Silver about/for.. something might come up, and Sasaki might stay alive. We better shoudln't let him alive next round..
AggonyDuck
10-09-2006, 16:04
Somehow the Myrdraal/Sasaki thing is just too much to be just a coincidence. I'm not willing to take the risk, so here's my vote.
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
Leet Eriksson
10-09-2006, 16:35
*rises from the grave*
YOU MAFIA PUNKS!!!!!!!11111
*drops dead*
UltraWar
10-09-2006, 17:04
Happy Happy. Joy Joy!:laugh4: :laugh4: :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup:
Vote:Dutch_guy
Reason: Random Happiness #666
Sasaki Kojiro
10-09-2006, 17:20
Somehow the Myrdraal/Sasaki thing is just too much to be just a coincidence. I'm not willing to take the risk, so here's my vote.
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
"Somehow"? How do you determine whether it was coincidence or not? Or are you just wagoning?
Are you avoiding giving your opinion on Kommodus's method?
Sasaki Kojiro
10-09-2006, 17:20
Happy Happy. Joy Joy!:laugh4: :laugh4: :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup:
Vote:Dutch_guy
Reason: Random Happiness #666
Why a random vote? That's no good for the town.
Sasaki Kojiro
10-09-2006, 17:24
Eh? Are we all forgetting about Sasaki? What if Kommodus is his partner and just trying to take the heat off?
Crazed Rabbit
If he is then he just revealed himself as the 2nd mafioso and the town wins.
Right. But we shouldn't make the 'Lynch if they stay alive for too long'-list too big. Sasaki is on it as well ;) :P
Sasaki, I know you've had your suspicions of Masy before.. but hey! this does look like bandwagoning! would be the first time from your side I think. Susupicious. since Masy will be fried (executed, anyway) anyway it's safe to vote for him, to proove to be a 'good boy villager' however If I'd take that as evidence you all need to be lynched lol.:laugh4:
hmmz.. it's funny I just write what comes to mind and it ends weird at times.:laugh4: :embarassed: :book:
Look at it this way. Kommodus will have to reveal his method eventually, presumably he will when threatened with lynch or when we won't lynch his 2nd suspect without hearing the method. If the method makes sense and we can all see how it works to find mafia we'll lynch the 2nd guy and win the game. If the game isn't over after we've lynched his two suspects and his method seems fabricated then we've found one of the mafia. Either way we win.
That's what I warned/told Silver about/for.. something might come up, and Sasaki might stay alive. We better shoudln't let him alive next round..
On the contrary, discussion is valuable for the town so you should leave me alive whether I'm mafia or not. There's no risk in leaving me until there's like 9 people left.
After reviewing the thread...
VOTE:MASY
Sasaki Kojiro
10-09-2006, 17:26
I think as a general rule the town should be suspicious of anyone who doesn't respond to argument made towards them or a question posed to them. Obviously innocents do this as well (tiberius) but it would be too easy for the mafia to wiggle out of questioning this way.
I'm choosing to believe Kommodus ... for now. If he were mafia, it would be insane to put forward a candidate for lynching this early in the game. Even if he's wrong, I think his motives are clean.
Vote: Masy
Divine Wind
10-09-2006, 18:48
After reading the last page, im still suspicious of Sasaki, even though he seems to have done a stirling job taking the heat off himself.
I think as a general rule the town should be suspicious of anyone who doesn't respond to argument made towards them or a question posed to them. Obviously innocents do this as well (tiberius) but it would be too easy for the mafia to wiggle out of questioning this way.
Posts like this just make me even more suspicious. The type of person you have described here Sasaki is the complete opposite of yourself. Again just another post taking the attention away from you.
Of course after the evidence/accusations given in the last page by Myrd, and SR, this is exactly the type of tactic a Mafioso would use to draw attention away from himself.
I apologize now if im wrong and you are a innocent villager, perhaps i havent read into this game well enough, but im tired from work and i have food to devour.
Vote:Sasaki Kojiro
~:snowman:
Vote: Ultrawar
The use of Osmium seems like the sort of thing he'd cook up, also, while voting, he's making no sensible argument, nor is he useful to the town.
Sasaki Kojiro
10-09-2006, 19:08
After reading the last page, im still suspicious of Sasaki, even though he seems to have done a stirling job taking the heat off himself.
Posts like this just make me even more suspicious. The type of person you have described here Sasaki is the complete opposite of yourself. Again just another post taking the attention away from you.
Hey, I can't help that! But replying to accusations doesn't prove me to be innocent, neither does not replying prove you to be guilty. I didn't say that. But the town can't make a judgement on you without a reply, so the town should encourage people to make reply's.
Town being lazy is the last thing we want.
Of course after the evidence/accusations given in the last page by Myrd, and SR, this is exactly the type of tactic a Mafioso would use to draw attention away from himself.
I apologize now if im wrong and you are a innocent villager, perhaps i havent read into this game well enough, but im tired from work and i have food to devour.
Vote:Sasaki Kojiro
~:snowman:
Do I really seem to be drawing attention away from myself? Only in the sense that I am trying to shine the light on others. The town must examine more than one person a turn to be succesful. We've been too one track this turn. People are voting for masy based on Kommodus's analysis but none of them seem to have looked up Masy's posts and considered whether they shine a light on anything. I have and shall post my thoughts, but I'm curious to see if anyone else will. Even with Kommodus's method we shouldn't be lazy.
Vote: Masy
Due to the 'wrong' posting times at the first round, and suspicious posting.
Can you explain what you mean?
Wow, the townspeople are really working hard to be as clever as possible in this game. I feel sorry for the Mafia.
Silver and Myrdraal, that's a clever trap you set for 'ol Sasaki. You definitely get an "A" for effort - I've never seen someone work so hard to find the mafia, in just about every game. However, if I properly understand the sequence of PM's that went back and forth, I have to say I think you're making a mistake. Killing Myrdraal would not be a logical course for Sasaki, were he truly guilty.
No, my friends, the guilty party here is Masy. How do I know, you ask? You probably won't like my answer. You may remember how, at the end of Mafia III, I said that if I had really been a villager, I'd have looked for a new method of analysis, rather than using my tired, old, and easily-defeated spreadsheet from Mafia II.
Well, that's what I've been working on, and it's yielded results, with greater speed and reliability than my older methods. Unfortunately, as in Mafia II, I can't reveal it at this time. Why, you ask? Once again, because knowledge of it would help the mafia defeat it.
However, I am very confident of this: Masy is in the mafia. Do the town a favor and take 'im down.
Masy, oh Masy the Mafioso, please do not take this personally. Having been a mobster previously, I know it can be a difficult burden to bear, and I have respect for all who must wear the mantle. I hope you've enjoyed your time in the Cosa Nostra, and a part of me wishes it'd lasted longer, as I know you do. You had a tremendous challenge before you.
Vote: Masy
Ehm, perhaps its just me, but haven't you just said (and I paraphrase): "Masy is guilty. Because I think he is." Fine. It's the early stages, and some people have better reasoning than others, but I am surprised that I have suddenly been bandwagoned by a large number of individuals. Perhaps if i'm executed you'll take a look at these bandwagoners more closely - from my limited experience of silvers game it seems that the mafia hide behind other voters (I voted discovery1, and he got jumped on by GH (Godfather) etc)
Edit- oh yeah, Vote: Reenk Roink, cos he always abstains.
Byzantine Mercenary
10-09-2006, 19:10
this leads me to Byzantine Mercenary - not only did he jump the gun he did so jumping onto a (possibly) certain bandwagon - highly Suspicious
Vote Byzantine Mercenary
well actually i voted late on the previous lynching as i had been away for a day or too and missed the execution post when i was catching up.
as for who to lynch, not giving a clear reason for masy is odd but i dont think Kommodus would do that without good reason, i guess i will provisionally vote for him for the time being, im starting to think that the very fact that Sasaki's constant posting gets everyone so suspicious of him means that it would be daft to persue such a strategy as the mafia and so that he is unlikey to be mafia
so i vote masy
Perhaps if i'm executed you'll take a look at these bandwagoners more closely - from my limited experience of silvers game it seems that the mafia hide behind other voters (I voted discovery1, and he got jumped on by GH (Godfather) etc)
well with all the targetting of bandwaggoners i would say that is it no longer such a good strategy for the mafia
Why are people voting for Masy? He has only made one substantial post in this thread besides signing up.
Here’s my take on the game so far: I don’t think Drisos’ post has much significance, it seems as if me and him were put under suspicion for being the only people to make some comments at the start of the game. His comments were a bit suss, but I don’t think it’s enough to warrant a vote. Voting on basis of osmium? I did a google search for heaviest metal and got osmium and iridium as my results. I believe these little things are just placed to keep us guessing. As for Destroyer of Hope, I know why people would see his post as bit odd, but I understand why he’s done it; he isn’t sure of who to vote for, and doesn’t want to incur any anger, so votes for someone who seemingly wants to go (I did the same myself in SR’s Godfather, I voted for Ultrawar when he voted for himself) Kage could be using some reverse psychology, but I don’t think a Mafioso could be that transparent. Nevertheless, he is my main lead at this point, purely for the oddness of his post (why sign up for a game and then want to leave in the first round?). So i Vote: Kagemusha None of what he said warrants suspicion as he actually dedicates most of his post to defending other players. Not a mafia trait in my opinion. It would have been in the interest of a mafia to let Kage stay in the game. Having said this… I am out of arguments, and don’t go and say that this is suspicious. Having been a mafia doesn’t actually help with your credibility. Sasaki has made some good arguments but people are wary of him. I don’t expect people following my lead as they did in ‘Gotta have more mafia’. Even I feel that Kommodus’ new method is bogus.
Sasaki Kojiro
10-09-2006, 19:36
Why are people voting for Masy? He has only made one substantial post in this thread besides signing up. None of what he said warrants suspicion as he actually dedicates most of his post to defending other players. Not a mafia trait in my opinion. It would have been in the interest of a mafia to let Kage stay in the game. Having said this… I am out of arguments, and don’t go and say that this is suspicious. Having been a mafia doesn’t actually help with your credibility. Sasaki has made some good arguments but people are wary of him. I don’t expect people following my lead as they did in ‘Gotta have more mafia’. Even I feel that Kommodus’ new method is bogus.
No, I think defending other players would be a good mafia strategy (make friends, people less likely to vote you). I don't feel we can judge Kommodus's new method until we know what it is. He won't reveal it now but I feel we should make him reveal it before the next lynch. If it's a good method we've hit jackpot for the town really, and if it's bad there's a good chance that Kommodus is mafia trying a dangerous ploy.
AggonyDuck
10-09-2006, 19:59
"Somehow"? How do you determine whether it was coincidence or not? Or are you just wagoning?
Are you avoiding giving your opinion on Kommodus's method?
To be honest I do not know if it is just a coincidence or not. But I am not willing to take the risk that it is just a coincidence. Also yes I am bandwagoning, if you define voting according to information provided by others as bandwagoning.
About voicing my opinion about Kommodus's methods. I do believe that Kommodus might be able to get good results with his methods eventually. But I do not believe that he has created an accurate method that allows him to point out who is guilty in two rounds. Personally I'll give him a couple more rounds to get more accurate information before I'll start voting according to his suggestions. The reason why I didn't voice an opinion about his method earlier, is because I really didn't see a need to do it. I just do not believe that his method is giving us accurate information yet, and I was already set on voting you after I had my questions answered by the "Mafia victims club".
Reenk Roink
10-09-2006, 20:22
Edit- oh yeah, Vote: Reenk Roink, cos he always abstains.
Hello sir. You seem to use a defense based on pointing out the weakness of the claims against you but then put forth this claim as to my guilt.
That's quite contradictory...
You're off the fan club for your transgression, and don't worry, I'll be reviewing the evidence (most of it in regards to you) once again and reconsidering my courteous abstention. Oh, and I only vote for people off my fan club... :wink:
Avicenna
10-09-2006, 20:28
Generally, the mafia tend to defend themselves the most, contrary to what Sasaki says. Look at Lemur in Mafia II. A townsperson doesn't really mind. He can just slack off for a few days. I know I have at certain stages. Mafia, on the other hand, will treat this as a once in a lifetime oppurtunity, and so will always be trying to keep themselves alive.
Because of this and ALL the evidence against sasaki, I urge you to vote for Sasaki Kojiro.
Avenge me townfolks let my death not be in vain.
Sasaki your still my number one suspect.:inquisitive:
RR your little abstain every time is helping no one. Vote even if you aren't quite sure who is Mafia. No one knows exactly right now but most everyone is voting.
And everyone who's voting Masy you people are just crazy. If you follow Kommodus without knowing what he's doing how will that help anyone? You have to make him reveal his way of finding things out before blindly following him. And personally I think it's way to early for him to know anything but that's my opnion.
GeneralHankerchief
10-09-2006, 20:43
Kills (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1264042&postcount=403) are in their proper form now.
After reviewing the thread...
VOTE:MASY
Why did you kill Leet Ice?:inquisitive:
King Henry V
10-09-2006, 20:58
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
Sasaki Kojiro
10-09-2006, 21:23
Generally, the mafia tend to defend themselves the most, contrary to what Sasaki says. Look at Lemur in Mafia II. A townsperson doesn't really mind. He can just slack off for a few days. I know I have at certain stages. Mafia, on the other hand, will treat this as a once in a lifetime oppurtunity, and so will always be trying to keep themselves alive.
Because of this and ALL the evidence against sasaki, I urge you to vote for Sasaki Kojiro.
No Tiberius. I tend to defend myself vigorously. I claimed detective to avoid being lynched when I was innocent, have you forgotten? How could you, you were the real detective. I have to ask why you even thoughto set a "trap" for me day 1, why you bring evidence against me you know to be bogus, and why you don't respond to my criticisms of your evidence. I'd say it's personal but I can't remember shafting you in any way.
I ask you again, what evidence is there that I haven't refuted?
Generally, the mafia tend to defend themselves the most, contrary to what Sasaki says. Look at Lemur in Mafia II. A townsperson doesn't really mind. He can just slack off for a few days. I know I have at certain stages. Mafia, on the other hand, will treat this as a once in a lifetime oppurtunity, and so will always be trying to keep themselves alive.
Because of this and ALL the evidence against sasaki, I urge you to vote for Sasaki Kojiro.
It seems as if there are more votes against me than anyone else, so I guess i should be fighting to stay alive. Also, my reasoning for Reenk was daft. Sorry Reenk, put me back on the fan club!
Unvote: Reenk Roink
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
It seems as if there are more votes against me than anyone else, so I guess i should be fighting to stay alive. Also, my reasoning for Reenk was daft. Sorry Reenk, put me back on the fan club!
Unvote: Reenk Roink
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
Suspicious: Yes
Mafia:A definant possiblity
You are might suspicious my friend. I'm not quite sure what to say.
Are you the Mafia?:inquisitive:
(Don't lie to the smiley he can see right through you.)
Myrddraal
10-10-2006, 00:19
I have to ask why you even thoughto set a "trap" for me day 1
The 'trap' was my idea. I contacted Silver because I knew him to be innocent. It wasn't a trap to catch you out Sasaki, it was a trap to prove you're innocence. If I didn't die after two rounds of baiting (with increasing bait), I would have gone on to try the plan I suggested openly in my PMs.
However, I died. I can't think of any reason other than that to kill me. OK so I was active, but so were you, and you didn't die.
Sasaki Kojiro
10-10-2006, 00:56
The 'trap' was my idea. I contacted Silver because I knew him to be innocent. It wasn't a trap to catch you out Sasaki, it was a trap to prove you're innocence. If I didn't die after two rounds of baiting (with increasing bait), I would have gone on to try the plan I suggested openly in my PMs.
However, I died. I can't think of any reason other than that to kill me. OK so I was active, but so were you, and you didn't die.
Err, I got voted for, you didn't? Killing me makes me a confirmed innocent and thus more dangerous to the mafia?
And I meant the silly destroyer of hope thing.
GeneralHankerchief
10-10-2006, 03:04
Sunset.
Masy was upset. Very upset. He had just been condemned to execution by crazy-looking weapon, held by a Chief of Police that looked positively evil.
The Chief of Police, Beirut, grinned as he read the final vote. "Well well well, Masy, come on up. You're first to test my nice new pointy weapon."
Masy looked totally defeated as he shuffled up to the execution platform. This had been a bad couple of days for him, and now it would culminate with him being hacked to death.
Lovely.
As he approached Beirut, the Chief of Police continued his act.
"Kneel, peasant. Do you have any last words?" Masy shook his head at this sadly. Beirut, who looked like he'd just been deprived of a treat, nodded, and sliced at Masy until he was no more.
And just like that, it was over.
Beirut stood over the corpse of Masy, triumphantly. The man was a bit too in love with his weapon. He addressed the crowd.
"Gentlemen," he began, "that's it. We'll convene here tomorrow after the kills where you can all watch me execute someone else. See you then!"
Everyone shuffled out, worried that their chief of police was going off the deep end.
Here is the vote tally for Session 3:
Masy: 9 (Kommodus, Drisos, doc_bean, Dutch_guy, Sasaki Kojiro, Big King Sanctaphrax, Ice, Lemur, Byzantine Mercenary) :skull:
Sasaki Kojiro: 5 (Crazed Rabbit, AggonyDuck, Divine Wind, King Henry V, Masy)
Byzantine Mercenary: 1 (Sir Moody)
Dutch_guy: 1 (UltraWar)
UltraWar: 1 (Orb)
Abstained: 1 (Reenk Roink)
Didn't vote: 6 (Sigurd Fafnesbane, The Spartan, Ignoramus, Zalmoxis, Destroyer of Hope, Cowhead418)
~~~~~~~
Still alive:
Sasaki Kojiro
UltraWar
Sigurd Fafnesbane
doc_bean
Dutch_guy
The Spartan
Orb
Sir Moody
King Henry V
Ignoramus
Reenk Roink
Crazed Rabbit
Ice
Zalmoxis
Destroyer of Hope
Drisos
Big King Sanctaphrax
Divine Wind
Cowhead418
Kommodus
AggonyDuck
Lemur
Byzantine Mercenary
Killed:
Silver Rusher
Tiberius
Evil Maniac From Mars
Myrddraal
Leet Eriksson
Csar
Executed:
Kagemusha
discovery1
Masy
I have nothing to say to you people.
GeneralHankerchief
10-10-2006, 03:36
I have nothing to say to you people.
Then why post? :inquisitive:
You evil thread-besmircher you.
Sasaki Kojiro
10-10-2006, 03:38
I have nothing to say to you people.
I have no reply to this
I have no reply to this
And you, you need to die even if your not a mafioso. It's too risky to leave you alive.
Oh and GH the reason I say that is because there blindly following something they have no proof of. Stupid in my opnion.
Sasaki Kojiro
10-10-2006, 04:26
And you, you need to die even if your not a mafioso. It's too risky to leave you alive.
Oh and GH the reason I say that is because there blindly following something they have no proof of. Stupid in my opnion.
It was a way better lynch than Kage or Disco, who only got lynched because they were messing around. And Kommodus will have to reveal his method now.
It was a way better lynch than Kage or Disco, who only got lynched because they were messing around. And Kommodus will have to reveal his method now.
How do you figure? He doesn't have to do anything he doesn't want too. Though there is the threat of lynching.
You still haven't given a reason you don't deserve to die.
Cowhead418
10-10-2006, 05:51
Damn! Just missed the vote! Ah well, I'll make it next time.
Zalmoxis
10-10-2006, 06:53
I actually abstained, but that's the same as not voting anyway.
Avicenna
10-10-2006, 08:25
As an innocent townsperson, your death will hardly make a difference. After all, everyone in the MVFJA's focussed on getting you down it seems. If you die, then we can turn our attention elsewhere and you can continue to post.
Of course, you might not be an innocent townsperson...
It is funny how MVFJA just looks like MAFIA written in Russian...
:laugh4:
Myrddraal
10-10-2006, 15:10
мафия
MVFJA
MAFIA!
:evilgrin:
I'm curious as to the method used to accuse Masy...
I'm curious as to the method used to accuse Masy...
Me too. And Csar, there is a treat. I'll vote Kommodus when he doesn't reveal it. :balloon2:
I'm curious as to the method used to accuse Masy...
Yes, me too. Kommodus must hold a lot of clout around here if he can get someone killed on his word alone.
Silver Rusher
10-10-2006, 18:31
Me too. And Csar, there is a treat. I'll vote Kommodus when he doesn't reveal it. :balloon2:
Just so you know, I PM'd Kommodus asking for the MVFJA to see the voting analysis and he hasn't replied yet. The read receipt, however, says he read it a long time ago.
Crazed Rabbit
10-10-2006, 18:45
I PM'd him before I voted last round, and his reply told me nothing about his method.
CR
Kommodus
10-10-2006, 18:51
Ok, since everyone’s so curious, I’ll tell you all about my method. It’s a bit complex, so I won’t bore you with every detail, but this should be enough to help you duplicate it pretty accurately. The real trouble isn’t so much applying it, but rather deriving it, which took me a while.
For each player, each post is plotted on a 3-dimensional graph, in which X is the time at which the post occurred, Z is the numerical index assigned to the player being accused in the post (if any), and Y is the total number of characters in the post. Posts containing votes are weighted with a factor equal to an exponential function of the turn number. (If the vote is later retracted, I just halve the weighting factor – it’s a bit of a fudge, I know, and I hope to refine this further later on.) The resulting points are then fitted with a set of N-dimensional polynomial functions, in which N is the number of points minus one.
Follow so far? Good, because now comes the tricky part. Solve for the roots of the above polynomial functions (you should find N^2 roots) and use them to build a sparse NxN matrix. Normalize this matrix and solve for its eigenvectors (you may need to brush up on your linear algebra to do this). Use the resulting vectors to form a set of N-dimensional parametric equations (just multiply each vector component by a, b, c, etc.) and set the result equal to t.
That wasn’t so bad, was it? You’re almost there, and all you’ll need is a bit of college-level diff-EQ to finish it off. Differentiate each parametric equation with respect to each of the independent variables in it, and you end up with a set of partial differential equations to solve. Use the graphical mathematics package of your choice (I like Mathematica) to plot these out – a good visual analysis is invaluable to understanding what’s really going on, and it’ll also help you spot singularities that might give you trouble later on. Next, use a reasonably robust numerical method to find the integral of the… of the… *gasp*
So much… BS… can’t… go on… throat clenching up… heart rate fluctuating… must finish…
*wheeze*
*thud*
Yes. Thats an impressive amount of BS. Did you make that all up off the cuff?
I know people use "LOL" quite often, but that post genuinely had me laughing out loud. I'm getting some weird looks even as I type this. Very good stuff, Kommodus.
Crazed Rabbit
10-10-2006, 19:07
We killed Masy because of that?
I say we get Sasaki and Kommodus.
CR
Silver Rusher
10-10-2006, 19:11
Komm, I hope you realise how badly you have just mislead the villagers...
Kommodus
10-10-2006, 19:19
Komm, I hope you realise how badly you have just mislead the villagers...
No misleading going on here, my friend. Masy really was mafia. You'll find that out eventually. I'm simply not disclosing my methods, as I said before - not to the MVFJA or anyone else. I have my reasons. Trust me or don't - your choice.
Trust me or don't - your choice.
I don't. I'm not going with your indication once again. :wall:
btw... nice post on your method.. :book: I must say I admire your amount of work you put into finding us the mafioso.. lol
:laugh4: :laugh4:
Now, now, let's not rush of and lynch good Kommodus. If his new method is correct, it will take two lynchings to prove. I'm all in favor of giving Kommodus two tries. After that, sure, let's tie him to a pole and dip him in a pool full of sharks with frickin' lasers ...
GeneralHankerchief
10-10-2006, 20:29
Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet.
The villagers, taking no chances, were holed up in their own houses. The few who didn't have weapons at the start of the killings now possessed some kindof them. If they died, they would go down fighting.
But time passed, and they heard no disturbance. Not at all. There were no distant explosions or screams, no shattering glass or gunshots. Everything was peaceful and quiet, just as it had been a few days ago, before the killings began.
As the day went on, people loosened up and relaxed a little bit. Maybe, just maybe, the mafia were gone?
At precisely 11:19 in the morning, everyone could suddenly hear the sound of trumpets blasting from the town center. The villagers had an odd feeling... as if they were compelled to go to the sound of the trumpets. Everyone gathered there, to the sight of two men atop the execution platform.
On the left, Chief of Police Beirut was looking slightly disappointed. On the right, Reenk Roink was looking triumphant. The triumphant one spoke to the crowd.
"People of the Frontroom," he boomed, "I am your Detective. And I have some excellent news: The mafia are dead!!!"
Everyone quieted. Surely this couldn't be true.
Beirut now addressed the crowd, speaking in monotone.
"Yes gentlemen, he is correct. Reenk investigated Masy after his death and determined that he was guilty. Also by this, he realized that we got the other mafioso, discovery1. I know it's hard to believe, but I can't use my weapon on anyone anymore."
Beirut's sullenness was drowned out by the happy crowd celebrating. The mafia were gone, and hadn't done too much damage!
Late that night, at the village pub, the party was still going strong. Pretty much everyone had bought drinks for everyone else, and much rejoicing was going on. The Frontroom had returned to its normal state.
Here is the final status list. Congratulations to those who survived.
Survived:
Sasaki Kojiro
UltraWar
Sigurd Fafnesbane
doc_bean
Dutch_guy
The Spartan
Orb
Sir Moody
King Henry V
Ignoramus
Reenk Roink
Crazed Rabbit
Ice
Zalmoxis
Destroyer of Hope
Drisos
Big King Sanctaphrax
Divine Wind
Cowhead418
Kommodus
AggonyDuck
Lemur
Byzantine Mercenary
Killed:
Silver Rusher
Tiberius
Evil Maniac From Mars
Myrddraal
Leet Eriksson
Csar
Executed:
Kagemusha
discovery1
Masy
Result:
TOWNSPEOPLE VICTORY! :medievalcheers:
Dang that was a fast game.
discovery1
10-10-2006, 20:35
This is a great shame. I will never live this down. I did learn a few things about the org, which I will not share, and I can take mild comfort in the fact that I was lynched not for being mafia but for screwing around(btw, LIGHTEN UP) and that no one suspected me for my kills. Oh, Masy, for a while I was thinking about trying to frame you, since I was thinking you might be a loose cannon.
Come now, discovery1, I had no intention of participating in this "feud" you and Ice seem to have. I voted for you based on a shred of evidence which seemed to be the only thing I had at the time. I do apologize for this, since I now know you were innocent.
Did you lie Kommodus?
Silver Rusher
10-10-2006, 20:38
My lord!
If only I had kept to my initial suspicions of Masy instead of going after Sasaki. (I'm not lying, ask Tiberius)
This was why I was suspicious, btw:
Yeah lol we managed to get everyone BUT the mafia. Is Silver doing another one? It was ace.
before I died first round.
Anyway, onto my main point:
CURSE YOU YOU SCUM! SCUMMY SCUM SCUM! MAY YOU ROT IN HELL FOREVER YOU SCUM! MWAHAHAHA SCUM SCUM SCUM!!! STUPID KILLING SILVER RUSHER FIRST ROUND SCUM! (dances on Masy and disco's graves)
And yes, it was a short game.
AggonyDuck
10-10-2006, 20:40
Damn you're good Kommodus, I am just awestruck by this. Kudos to you mate. :2thumbsup:
GeneralHankerchief
10-10-2006, 20:40
Yeah, I'm kind of disappointed. Disco and Masy did their best, though.
discovery1
10-10-2006, 20:42
Yeah, I'm kind of disappointed. Disco and Masy did their best, though.
NO I DIDN"T!
SR, I killed you to keep you quiet. I
NO I DIDN"T!
SR, I killed you to keep you quiet. I
That didn't work out too well did it:laugh4:
GeneralHankerchief
10-10-2006, 20:44
That didn't work out too well did it:laugh4:
Well, Silver was going full-throttle for Sasaki so I don't think it made a difference. :tongue:
discovery1
10-10-2006, 20:53
Maybe SR would have sucked up votes if I kept him alive. Become another SK if you will.
Kommodus
10-10-2006, 20:56
DANGIT!!!
Honestly, discovery1, I didn't know you were mafia. You were lynched before I had completed my new method. I wasn't intending to enter your feud with Ice or anything like that; I just voted based on exactly what I said: the Osmium.
I thought that after Masy there was still one mafioso left. Crap dang crap... I had such plans for messing with all you poor villagers' heads! I had so many cryptic, obscure things to say! So many ways to speak the truth, yet hide it behind suspicious, bizarre behavior! You'd all have lynched me for sure, and I'd have been laughing the whole time!
Man, what a let-down. I'll never be able to finish my psychological experiment now. Why, Disco, why? Why did it have to be you? If it had been someone else, I'd have found out so very quickly! I'd have had the game in my hands! I'd have held the power to prolong it or end it at will!
Even if I wasn't believed on the second suspect, I'd have been able to end it as such: (PM to Reenk Roink: Please investigate Player X, who I know to be guilty.) Yes, RR, I figured you were probably the detective.
Gah!
Oh well, now you can all come over and join Cosa Nova: A New Mafia. The more the merrier! Yeah!
Silver Rusher
10-10-2006, 21:00
Oh yeah, and Fizzil (that's leet eriksson to you) must be feeling pretty silly now.
UltraWar
10-10-2006, 21:01
At least I survived this mafia game
AggonyDuck
10-10-2006, 21:07
Somehow I feel that if Kommodus has a method which allows him to know the identity of the Detective and the Mafia by round 3, then I feel that he should refrain from using it. What is the fun in the game if someone is certain who the Mafia is by round 3? I feel cheated...:no:
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