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[Tribesman]

Do you think the teflon taoiseach has finally come to the point where it will stick ?
Personally I thought that he should have been ......(this is where it gets difficult as everyday words that are used to describe politicians even on kids TV in Ireland are considered unsuitable for the guild)....thrown to the wall :2thumbsup: after his countersigning of blank cheques for Irelands (so far) most corrupt politician . Who himself as a great friend and mentor to our dear Bertie called him the most devious politician he had ever met .

For non-Irish people who may be interested , it involves loans from individuals , that were not actually loans ....they were gifts , that were not actually gifts ..... they were paid into his bank account , but he didn't have a bank account.......the donors never expected anything in return , well apart from apointment to government jobs and lucrative re-zoning of land for development .......he was short of money , he had cash at home equal to the amount given .......It was to provide for my childrens education fund , don't bring my family into this as thats private .:oops:

Then add the Manchester payments that were a fee , that wasn't a fee .... it was an unsolicited donation from friends , that was a whip round that his friends asked for from a collection of businessmen who wanted nothing .....even if they wanted something then he didn't know about it as it was his friends who asked for the money to be given to him not he himself ..... so they cannot of gotten anything from him as he didn't know .

Oh and the sums of money alledgedly involved being bandied about by the media are wildly inacurate ....... well apart from the fact they are spot on so far .

[Grey_Fox]

It's not as if he did anything no other politician has done.

Besides, it takes more than 50k to buy a (then) Minister for Finance. They were friends, and it was a gift. It's nothing major. Any other politico that tries to gain out of it, screaming 'OMG he took teh moni!!!11!11' is a bloody hypocrite. As Tommy Tiernan said regarding Mary Magdalen: 'How dare she go around sleeping with us, the likes of her, the filthy whore'.

He should stay on, since as politicians go, he is honest, and he does do a good job. Of course, my ideal Taoiseach would be Eamonn O'Cuiv (he is a great worker, and would do wonders for brining efficiency back into the govt).

On the whole, he has done more good for the country than any other. Having met Kenny, he's a weak man who does the bidding of his wife, not a thought between his two ears that does not come from her. Harney is one of the most conceited people I have ever seen who, spending most of her time doing her makeup than actual work. McDowell is a ruthless, selfish individual, more concerned with gaining personal power than having anything resembling loyalty to a party or an ideal.

Michael D. Higgins is a very nice man, would have liked to see him become President if Rabitte had gotten off his fat arse and tried to go up against Mary McAleese who, while she has done some good, has in all honesty wasted almost as much time and space in the position as Robinson (and God only knows she was absolutely useless).

And don't even get me started on the traitorous scum that are the IRA who get most of their money from the IRA's thieving and the taxing of drug dealers (of not actual selling of drugs).

[Reverend Joe]

Thought this was gonna be a whiskey thread. :disappointed:

[Grey_Fox]

Heh, I am fairly drunk you know, just after coming back from the started of a 21at (there's another 2 days of parites to go for the fecker).

[Tribesman]

Of course, my ideal Taoiseach would be Eamonn O'Cuiv (he is a great worker, and would do wonders for brining efficiency back into the govt).

You have got to be kidding , that inbred gobshite O'Cuiv efficient ??????Do some work with his dept. then try to talk about efficient , the only worse local gangster is Fahey .

[Grey_Fox]

I'm sorry but I'm going to have to violently disagree with you.

Any opinions on the other stuff I wrote?

[Tribesman]

sorry but I'm going to have to violently disagree with you.

well I am used tio thaton nearly every suject



Any opinions on the other stuff I wrote?
yep ,,plenty , Idon't give a flying **** if it is 50,000 or 100 , when someone who(despite teh chequebook shite)consistantly talks about integrity and accountability gets caght then screw them .If no p[oltitician can bein any way beholden financially to a business man then what the hell was bertie doiongwith his 222222loanb" , "gift" , debt of honour .
H e painted himself as spotless andhonest amongst a clan of crooks , that is clearly bollox .


As for the other stuff you wrote...... Tommy , that short-arse paranoid racist gobshite , me and him don't get on at all.
Kenny , youare right threre he is uselss .
Mcdowell ...well what te hell can you say about that self serving ****** , I mean seriously what is the point in having a "watchdog" agaist corrution . honetly , when Mary got caught usingthe air orpsSAR aircraft as a taxi to friends parties , and then had "friends pick up the "txi" fe as a favour then what purpose do the PDs serve at all .
Michael D , a geuie nocrap politician , but his idealist views are notpractible ,,damn nice fellow though , and the only local lad that turns up at your door by himself and asks what your concerns are

And final;ly , yes ou is right about SF , however the constant rpetition of bribes and scandals among the other £republican" parties is gonna result into abalaclava republican vote .

Sorry if that is hard to read , or ,akes mo semse in places , but toworom I should(with luck) be sober

[Grey_Fox]

Having spent a fair amount of time around the rich in my line of work, I must say that they show their appreciation of friends by giving money. These are the type that leave waiters €100 tips (each), and to them a whiparound that gives €50k is like lending a good friend in need a couple of hundred and refusing to take the money back from him.

Bertie was naive to accept the money and expect there not to be consequences, but I do believe there was nothing untoward or malicious in it (as politicians go).

And as the Times and Independent have said, there is no evidence to suggest that anything untoward developed from the relationship.

It took me about fifteen minutes and a hell of a lot of edits to make that first post. It's so hard when drinking (although at the time of the post I was soberng up).

[Tribesman]

Lightwieght , the band finished at 1 last night , th singing finished at 8ad to get through the horsefair after that to get bach fr a duble christening at 1yoday ,
drunken posting....tell me about it /
yor position seemsto be"they al do t whats it matter"

myposition is" crooks feicem up aginst thewall"
Oh and due to doing lots of busines with O' Ciuv is the reason for my stance on tha particlar gobshite .

[Louis VI the Fat]

Thought this was gonna be a whiskey thread. :disappointed:Well, judging by their posting styles, it is. :beam:

[ezrider]

"I'm not answering what I got for my holy communion money, my confirmation money, what I got for my birthday, what I got for anything else. What I got personally in my life, to be frank with you, is none of your business." - Tony Soprano(Bertie Ahern)

what a statement.

Of course its none of our business that you got a load of cash from business men who all wanted nothing in return but actually got lucrative contracts from the government and tax breaks specifically designed for them, while you where minister of finance - A poorly paid job, obviously, sure thats why he needed the money in the the first place. - Fair play to ya Bertie, after 13 years, you paid them back and you've realised it was wrong to take the money.
Berties off the hook now. Fianna Fail will probably gain another majority and I'm sure another scandal involving another Minister will arise, who will also get off the hook. The (southern)Irish love being treated like gullible dogs and will continue to allow politicians and businessmen to rip them off in the most obvious ways without actually locking any of them up.

[Tribesman]

What a statement indeed , he actually ended up repeating Ray Burkes " I didn't do nothing" speech .:furious3:
One glimmer of hope out of all this though , the PDs are well and truly screwed now .

[Grey_Fox]

PD's were always well and truly screwed...

[Tribesman]

Hey Fox , more revelations about his business , but that wasn't business ......well he benefited , but he didn't benefit .......well it was just a favour , but he didn't owe a favour in return .:oops:

Bertie is still wriggling , but he certainly ain't off the hook yet .
Though it is gonna be about another five years before he is sceduled for the Mahon tribunal appearance (though that tribunal will probably have restarted under a new name again by then) .

[Grey_Fox]

Meh, those tribunals are a bloody joke anyways.