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Darth Nihilus
10-02-2006, 15:36
Whats the most important factor for you when you chose a faction to play as? Mine would probably be good units. Especially good late units so I have somthing to work towards late in the game.
*Good generals was probably more applicable to the original MTW, but I guess we'll see. Remember when the Byzantines in early would breed nothing but 7 & 8 star generals? Of course that was a different system that had the command rating based on heriditary lines rather than winning battles.
good units are important,but also how much you are interested in a faction is an important point.If you don't like the positions/enemies/history of a certain faction,you will most likely not play it :P
Good units - I'm a multiplayer :)
Martinaz
10-02-2006, 15:46
Good positions of course.
Think about it:
In BI, the western empire has a very bad place to be. In rome, the decians are like serrounded.
Darth Nihilus
10-02-2006, 15:56
Yeah, I love the HRE, but thier starting position is just terrible. They're not my favorite faction, but thier horrendous positions plays a part in that.
Economics, particularly a strong trading position. Constantinople, Venice, Egypt, Genoa, major trading locations through which you can generate the monetary support necessary to build armies, agents and fund wars. Many times in M:TW I would build up a huge treasury, once as the French I saved up to 500,000 before attacking my biggest rival, (Egypt if I recall) and spent it all on bribes and mercenaries.
Darth Nihilus
10-02-2006, 16:24
Yeah that is fun. One time as Italy I had over 4 million florins so I made legions of Gothic Knights and assains. Playing with the economic powerhouses are a lot of fun.
Sun of Chersonesos
10-02-2006, 16:25
I like Darth Nihilus' Polls lol
I voted for the defensive position, because you're not surrounded and until you expand you can concentrate on one faction.
However, I think that the good generals needn't be an option because how are you supposed to know what generals come your way? you get different ones every time you play (except for the starting ones), and consequently you would not be able to say that one faction has better generals than the other.
Sun
Furious Mental
10-02-2006, 16:30
Like most I went for the units, not so much because I think they would make it easier to win but because I like to play as a faction with an interesting variety of soldier types.
Derfal Cadarn
10-02-2006, 16:57
Ok I've gone for good defensive position for the following reasons
1) I'm not that good a player, dont have enough time to play any of the games due to other commitments, hence I only know basics to get me through, so therefore I want to be in a position whereby I can slowly build my forces, knowing that I will have a fairly solid defence whilst doing so.
2) Good Units. What is meant by good units, those in early or those developed late in the game. If its early then given my nature of play I'm not looking to expand to fast anyways, and hence I can find a reasonable defensive force with most of the standard units. If its in late period, then I have found that nine times out of ten I havent bothered building many of top level units of whatever faction I'm playing, as normally by then, I've virtually won the game (or else drastically lost ) that these units arnt likely to make that much difference, and I build one or two of each just to see what they look like.
3)Trade - from what I've found or can remember, those factions with decent starting trade, either came under attack pretty quickly or else had loads of unrest. Again due to my lack of time/skill, I don't want to be under pressure straight away and always seem to find that this is the case with these type of startup situations. PS I am old and my memory aint what it should be, so please forgive if I have this completely wrong :-)
4) good generals - never noticed that much difference between good and bad, that it affected my game.
Appreciate that this is very subjective, but I have cast my vote just on what I know and my own playing ability :-)
Orda Khan
10-02-2006, 16:59
Like most I went for the units, not so much because I think they would make it easier to win but because I like to play as a faction with an interesting variety of soldier types.
None of the above.
Believability, interest and an 'against the odds' sense of fun.
Hopefully MTW II will do away with 'uber' units or at least limit their use due to cost
........Orda
Darth Nihilus
10-02-2006, 17:08
Yeah, I only threw up the good generals on the fat chance that some fations may start with very good ruling families like some did in the original MTW. I probably shouldn't have put it up as an option.....but oh well.
GiantMonkeyMan
10-02-2006, 17:52
i generally play a few custom battles to check out who has got what etc. but usually i choose a faction that appeals to me historically, for example on RTW i usually played as a faction that fights the Romans early on and historically lost but i did'nt like the barbarian units (so generally carthage, macedon or greece)
That's a hard choice. The reason I liked England so much in MTW is because they had a strong defensive starting position, good units (quality and variety), good (hero) generals, and great economics (fertile land + wool + every territory could have a port).
Darth Nihilus
10-02-2006, 18:44
Yeah, I think thats why England was one of the most popular choices b/c of the fact that they combine all of them quite nicely.
Faenaris
10-02-2006, 18:54
I chose "good defensive position". England and Denmark were my favourite factions because of that. That is also the reason why I didn't like the HRE, but I intend to give them a go this time. :)
Unique Campaign - Carthaginians and Gauls in RTW, Byzantine Late in MTW, etc.
Vlad Tzepes
10-02-2006, 19:44
Money-money-money! Always go for the money, war is not about weapons, really, but about financing it. IMHO. :book:
actually, I'd prefer to say a bad defensive position
The more I'm forced to expand or turtle initially, the better. If it looks like a death-trap, I'm in for it.
Polemists
10-02-2006, 19:54
I personally like a non defensive position. Thus i am picking the holy roman empire. I dislike only my later units fighting. I look forward to my opponents starting a few wars at start, and only one will survive. Then turning my eyes to some of the greater challenges. I mean if I can survive as HRE I can easily play the other factions. :2thumbsup:
Zimfan40
10-02-2006, 19:55
I generally go for factions that interest me historically, followed by an interesting unit roster.
My plan is to revel in the most likely fairly historical Venetian unit roster, creating a vast trade empire, then over run the world with the Scot's BraveHeart knockoffs.
Guillaume le Batard
10-02-2006, 20:16
The more I'm forced to expand or turtle initially, the better. If it looks like a death-trap, I'm in for it.
I salute your spirit! While not actually sharing the same perspective! ~:) I am really bad at mananging economics and have to play the superpower factions in order to survive. :embarassed:
I voted for good units -- but I actually meant historically accurate units (or at least something approaching accurate) -- not that I'm an expert. It just isn't terribly fun for me playing a faction with a large number of (what I think of as) fantasy units. :no:
Guillaume
scourgeofrome
10-02-2006, 20:25
I would go with good economics. I am bad at handling economics, so having a naturally good position would help. Plus, bribing people and stealing their generals is fun:2thumbsup: ,until I go overboard and causing myself to go broke :sweatdrop: .
Bob the Insane
10-02-2006, 20:44
I like to try them all...
There is not a faction in RTW I have not at least tried a campaign as...
Myrddraal
10-02-2006, 20:51
an 'against the odds' sense of fun.
Welsh in VI = :thumbsup:
CrackerJap
10-02-2006, 22:17
A strong defensive position is essential for me. I tend to be overly aggressive in the beginning and if I send out an army that gets annihilated I want to be able to use whatever I have left to be able to defend, or at the very least stall, any counter-attack.
A strong defensive position is essential for me. I tend to be overly aggressive in the beginning and if I send out an army that gets annihilated I want to be able to use whatever I have left to be able to defend, or at the very least stall, any counter-attack.
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Lord Godfrey
10-03-2006, 04:12
I always enjoyed playing England in the original MTW because I knew the history and characters. I tried to mimic the 100 Year War or the Crusades, and treated historical allies and enemies as such - Nothing was better than rampaging thru France.
IrishArmenian
10-03-2006, 05:05
There shood be a history/nashunality opshun.
timsemand
10-03-2006, 06:17
You can't say that denmark got a good defensive position. They are well protected from invasion from land but they can be invaded from sea all over the country.
None of the choices you provided.
I primarily chose my faction because of prestige and history.
I want to play Byzantium simply because they ARE Byzantium, heirs of the Roman Empire and infinitely cultured people.
You also forgot to offer the simple "out of nationalism" answer, which is probably THE most important reason on the whole.
Derfal Cadarn
10-03-2006, 08:14
You can't say that denmark got a good defensive position. They are well protected from invasion from land but they can be invaded from sea all over the country.
Whilst that is true, this isnt likely to happen for quite a few turns. Other factions need to build ports, ships and then build a shipping fleet to the danish lands, so this in itself gives the Danish player a bit of leeway at the beginning of the game, as the only faction that can intially attacj the Danes is the HRE
Hmm, I actually try most factions, and here I said "good defensive position". However, that isn't really true, but it was the "best" approximate answer. One thing I don't like is fighting tons of wars early. Because then I'm forced to expand early, and get a huge empire before i can even fully explore my tech tree and have fun with the unit combinations that my side can offer. For this reason I never really like HRE or France too much. Main preference has always been for small underdog factions, like Denmark, Spain, Sicily etc. The TUrks, Russians and Byzantines are also tons of fun because of their varied unit rosters and positions on the edge of the mongol invasion area :2thumbsup: Overall I like it to be difficult also, thereby the two factions I hardly ever even think of playing are Egypt and England -- both have starting positions that are enormously economically advantagous and very easily defensible.
Darth Nihilus
10-03-2006, 14:18
Lol @ timsemand, if Denmark doesn't have a good defensive position, then no faction does. Tell me you were kidding.
timsemand
10-03-2006, 17:11
Lol @ timsemand, if Denmark doesn't have a good defensive position, then no faction does. Tell me you were kidding.
I would say that, a country that is sorrounded by mountains is much more safe. But yes they have a good defence, for the first few turns but then, hells slips loose.
Dracula(Romanian Vlad Tepes)
10-03-2006, 19:00
I think HRE has one of the worse positions.They can be attacked all over and they are surrounded by a lot of powerful enemies.Is sound like a challenge for me.
France because of it's my country and for strong heavy cavalery.
DukeofSerbia
10-03-2006, 19:35
None of the above.
Hey! Where's the "GAH!" option?? :inquisitive: :laugh4: No Org poll is complete without it!
But seriously, for me it's a combination of everything. Position, troop types, historical enemies, how challenging they are.... There truly is no one thing I can pinpoint as a deciding factor in which factions I find the most interesting and/or fun to play.
an 'against the odds' sense of fun
Welsh in VI = :thumbsup:
Myrddraal, I hadn't taken you for a masochist. Seems I'll have to revise my opinion of you in that regard. (I was all about the Mercians and the Irish.) ~;p
I pick on how badass the faction is to me.
I will probably play Danes just because they are badasses, everybody loves vikings.
I usually choose a faction which has the type of units I like to use for my tactical strengths but I also think that liking the background of a faction is hugely important. I like the idea of playing as England because I'm English, but I'm not sure until we get a full unit lineup if they will fit my tactics. I usually use an infantry army with heavy shock troops, archers and a main battle line of solid spearmen (preferably phalanx, perhaps the Swiss pikemen will be able to do this as they did historically?)
Kourutsu
10-04-2006, 05:59
Position!
MTW-Denmark
RTW-Brittania
MTW 2-Scotland (Once I conquer that northern province)
Oh, and when I wasn't taking my Prosac, color. Yep, color was a deciding factor for me for a while. Never played HRE. Black and yellow, just not menacing or cool. Also never played the Byzantines. Purple! The only reason I have ever played Poland in MTW, is because of the color, and cool flag.
timsemand
10-04-2006, 06:37
I pick on how badass the faction is to me.
I will probably play Danes just because they are badasses, everybody loves vikings.
Who says there will be vikings, vikings only lived in the very early middle age.
And vikings have never been used as ordinary soldiers, they have never marched in line.
a lot of people are talking about starting position and avoiding many wars and such, but I thought that since most of the western european factions are catholic, I was under the impression that it was not wise to fight another Catholic faction, since that would risk excommunication and even more trouble. Does anyone have anything on this?
Prince of the Poodles
10-04-2006, 09:25
a lot of people are talking about starting position and avoiding many wars and such, but I thought that since most of the western european factions are catholic, I was under the impression that it was not wise to fight another Catholic faction, since that would risk excommunication and even more trouble. Does anyone have anything on this?
In MTW, I found that the pope was almost meaningless. Nations would attack one another regardless of excommunication or not, and there was no real penalty for ignoring him either.
In one of my early games I played as the Germans and got excommunicated. I was very worried and took a very defensive posture, yet no one attacked. Slowly I got back into the good graces of the church, and was promptly attacked by Italy and France within several years. :shrug:
Polemists
10-05-2006, 05:18
Someone else can probably find it but there is a video of a german force attacking a ventian city, and they get excommunicated.
Not sure what happens after it obviously, although reprecussions are supposed to increase this time.
Pope used to just give you a ultimatium like get out in two years, so long as you could conquer them in two years you were good.:laugh4:
My favourite colour...and an interesting strategic environment!
Sorry, I meant my favourite colour at that point in time...and a groovy faction banner!
Basileus
10-05-2006, 15:18
I started playing the Byz in MTW and will propably do so with MTW2, mostly cause its the faction ive read most about at the current time period but abit nationalistic aswell. French will be played after that or first depending if its easy to mod the starting factions.
Kavhan Isbul
10-06-2006, 21:48
For me it was history mainly, but since I have played them all, at the end I guess it comes to challenging starting position. I know there will be no GAs in MTW2, but in MTW I would play an otherwise boring faction as the French or the HRE (no offense to those who like them, I simply find their units and lands boring) just for the Glorious Achievements.
I always choose with good defensive position at start (Shimazu in STW and Denmark in MTW). Next would be good units along as it doesnot equate to expensive units.
I choose units and economy. I went Takeda first in Shogun because of cavalry and they're close to the rich Hojo and Uesugi that I can take out easily. I chose English first in MTW cause they were the most familiar, then it was Julii in RTW.
I look for a variety of units. I alternated between Catholic, Muslim and Orthodox in MTW. I played eastern and barbarian ones after the Romans in RTW.
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