View Full Version : Creative Assembly New World expansion confirmed (as baseless speculation)
The Blind King of Bohemia
10-04-2006, 23:19
From http://www.jeuxvideo.com/news/2006/00018446.htm:
Une extension serait déjà prévue dans les locaux de Creative Assembly, et devrait porter sur le continent américain et les guerres aztèques.
Which roughly means that an expansion is apparently in development at CA at the moment, and will focus on the Americas and the Aztec wars.
I suppose I'm happy, but this does kind of infringe on my Age of Warlords mod. Still, there will be a good deal of stuff I can plunder at least.
Good scoop, BKB! :2thumbsup: I find it extremely plausible. Introducing the Aztecs into M2TW was always frankly a little weird (not necessarily bad weird, just weird weird) when it just meant adding in just one or two provinces far away across the Atlantic. But when an extension is planned for the New World, it all starts to make sense.
I think the conquest of the New World should make a fascinating expansion - wide open in terms of what you can do like BI is; significantly different from M2TW; and also a period of history that is not that well known (to me at least).
It may also creep us towards the Napoleon: Totalwar that is my wish for the next generation TW game.
scourgeofrome
10-04-2006, 23:38
If there is an expanison, I hope it reaches alaska or canada. An Islamic vs. Inuit army would be classic. :laugh4:
the_mango55
10-04-2006, 23:40
Well, this seems less than official, so I will take it with a grain of salt.
I am really hoping for a Rise of Islam expansion, but I suppose this would be ok too. I had hoped they would wait on a more New World focused game until they have real time naval combat.
Basileus
10-04-2006, 23:45
Besides the info that link has some nice pictures from MTW2 that i havent seen, not sure what to think about that the expansion and the Americas and Aztec wars..seems strange that CA would release info so early and before MTW2 is out.
Well I've consistently frowned upon the Aztecs being included with the game in the first place; so if the expansion does indeed focus on the New World, then I obviously will have absolutely no interest in buying it. I'm only treating this news with a grain of salt, however, as I find it hard to believe CA would so strongly hint at their expansion plans so early on.
That said, the only possible way I would be interested in such an expasion is if CA finally included a multiplayer campaign. I'm certainly not holding my breath on that score, though.
CaesarAugustus
10-05-2006, 00:22
So I'm assuming that this expansion will take place in a later timeframe than M2TW will. I don't really know what to think of that. Personally, I would much rather a multiplayer campaign, or, better yet, a campaign map that extended all the way to the Far East. Maybe it's just me, but I think it would be cool if Britian went to war with T'ang China:dizzy2: .
That would also make factions like the Mongols playable, which is one of the things I know a lot of players want. But I guess that would be a lot more work than a New World expansion, like creating a whole new game almost.
I wonder about this idea. If they do a New World expansion, maybe they will forgo the strictly historical (which would be quite boring I think, given the fact that most Europeans used similar armies in the New World), and do a historical fiction type expansion? That is to say maybe all of the major factions from the MTW period would start out with colonies, or colonizing armies on a map of the Americas, and take it from there. Totally alternate history style. While this does diverge from the Total War series somewhat, I think it would be far more interesting than having boring old armies of men with muskets vs. natives. Sort of what Age of Empires III tried to do, except here we could give each nation the sort of unique units that they would have continued to evolve late in the MTW period, which would carry over into the American theatre.
The Blind Samurai
10-05-2006, 01:54
they should a samuri ex it would be sool cool if you got to play as japan and conquer china and all of europe
Polemists
10-05-2006, 02:22
Well they did remake medieval, and havn't yet denied possibility of remaking shogun so who knows.
Tomisama
10-05-2006, 02:33
they should a samuri ex it would be sool cool if you got to play as japan and conquer china and all of europe
Well they did remake medieval, and havn't yet denied possibility of remaking shogun so who knows.
ABSOLUTELY!!!
In the general Medieval II time frame, things were hot in Asia too :charge:
:bow:
The Blind Samurai
10-05-2006, 03:47
yeah the age of the country at war the mongol ivasion those are good time lines
Celtic_Guardian
10-05-2006, 04:20
making a new updated Shogun would basically make my life complete.
Furious Mental
10-05-2006, 04:31
Another Shogun? No thanks. The number of various units would be very limited as in Shogun and consequentially they would probably put in about a million fantasy units just to get the numbers. After MTW and RTW a Total War game would have to at least cover the whole of East Asia.
Polemists
10-05-2006, 04:56
Fantasy units? man you guys are harsh. So they combine a few things here and there, not like dragons or mystical unicorns :P.
I'm sure if they did shogun they would be historically accurate to it. Who knows though maybe they'll do like a total war Mongols :laugh4: . I think there's like four major khans at one point.
Dark_Magician
10-05-2006, 09:00
From http://www.jeuxvideo.com/news/2006/00018446.htm:
Which roughly means that an expansion is apparently in development at CA at the moment, and will focus on the Americas and the Aztec wars.
I suppose I'm happy, but this does kind of infringe on my Age of Warlords mod. Still, there will be a good deal of stuff I can plunder at least.
I am glad the people are happy, but I suppose it goes foremost to culturally atlantists who feel natural interest in the overseas homeland, but as an old world dweller I find it little attractive.
The obvious threat of CA overtextending its scarce resources; the obvious wrong sense of not fitting quite well into timeline; very little challenge, especially in pure military way ("should we send two of whole three units of knights to conquer half of America?").
Kor Khan
10-05-2006, 09:50
I'm not sure. It said that an expansion is already planned. But as far as I gathered from the preview, it being set in the New World (either partly or exclusively) seems like a bit of speculation on behalf of the reporters, judging by the words "...et devrait porter sur le continent américain...". Or have I misunderstood something?
Admittedly, a new age expansion does seem fairly likely, but I don't think we should treat this as fact yet.
i have never been keen on the this new world business.
i would much rather they expanded the map eastwards to include asia than westwards to include the americas.
any expansion should by my lights refocus on the east by expanding on the original map, rather than creating a new campaign on a minimap.
i would like the expansion to expand the original game.
lancelot
10-05-2006, 10:14
Im not really sure that the feudal system could have supported grand trans-atlantic expansions, you need states for that.
Seems a bit of mad plan to expand the medieval game to the very theoretical limits of the game.
i would much rather they expanded the map eastwards to include asia than westwards to include the americas.
I agree with this.
i have never been keen on the this new world business.
i would much rather they expanded the map eastwards to include asia than westwards to include the americas.
any expansion should by my lights refocus on the east by expanding on the original map, rather than creating a new campaign on a minimap.
i would like the expansion to expand the original game.
Same here....
Besides:Did you guys ever imagine: Fighting in the jungle [and there is some in the new world] would not be that much fun i guess: tree, tree, tree, Jaguar Soldier, tree,tree, tree, Jaguar Soldier....no thank you.... :eeeek:
I guess there will be quite a few mods to MII in a couple of months, so another TW mod about Japan and Asia seems likely. So does a Roman mod, Which I would like personally to play most.
The New World expansion may be interesting. CA may be willing to target American markets... But first I'd like to see what they really came up with in the original MII. I'll be interested in potential expansions in a year or so.
doc_bean
10-05-2006, 11:35
They should just do a Shogun expansion...
I know it deserves to be its own game again, but let's face it, with the limited unit roster, just one island and no cultural differences, I don't see it happening.
Wandarah
10-05-2006, 11:48
I just want a RTW remake with the new goodness.
That would make me slap my pants and call myself Mary.
From http://www.jeuxvideo.com/news/2006/00018446.htm:
Which roughly means that an expansion is apparently in development at CA at the moment, and will focus on the Americas and the Aztec wars.
I suppose I'm happy, but this does kind of infringe on my Age of Warlords mod. Still, there will be a good deal of stuff I can plunder at least.
I think they're just talking about the world extending to the america's in which you can battle the aztecs
But my french isnt all that
IrishArmenian
10-05-2006, 14:59
I guees that means no Viking Invashun II. No chance to play as the Irish...
Randarkmaan
10-05-2006, 15:06
An expansion pack solely in America souns too much like a new game rather than an expansion...
How about: Medieaval II Total War: Arab Invasion?
Every expansion pack so far has been an invasion and that is an invasion I would like to play in an expansion pack, but it seems unlikely as there aren't that many that would like playing the Arab conquest I suppose...
satchef1
10-05-2006, 15:38
i'd like to see an expansion that opens up Asia, its unfair and incredibly infuriating playing along the east of the map and not being able to expand into Asia! Playing as the Mongols, Chineese, Indians and Japaneese would be great and add an extra dimension to gameplay, not to mention added pressure on the islamic and orthodox nations (who i found too easy in the origional MTW)
Captain Fishpants
10-05-2006, 15:57
Sorry to rain on this particular thread, but it's:
Rumours.
Rumours of rumours.
Baseless speculation.
Pick one, and you'll be close to the truth. :laugh4:
Thus spake Fishathustra...
So
The rumours and baseless speculations are close to the truth?
You might as well give us the entire deal xD
Such an odd choice. Will such an expansion sell much, I wonder? It is very pheripheral to my field of interest, at least.
So
The rumours and baseless speculations are close to the truth?
You might as well give us the entire deal xD
I'll bet CA hasn't even decided what the expansion is going to cover yet. With regard to previous TW games I believe CA waited until each one had shipped before committing to working on the expansion packs.
Sorry to rain on this particular thread, but it's:
Rumours.
Rumours of rumours.
Baseless speculation.
Pick one, and you'll be close to the truth. :laugh4:
I hope so, though, but I'm afraid there will nevertheless be quite a lot too much of the "New World" in the game still.
I wanted to play "MEDIEVAL Total War 2", but I fear that this game slips far too deeply on "Renaissance" and "America".
I'll bet CA hasn't even decided what the expansion is going to cover yet. With regard to previous TW games I believe CA waited until each one had shipped before committing to working on the expansion packs.
Of course they have already begun designing the expack. Medieval 2 is already pretty much done so most likely some team members have already begun working on the expansion because they don't need the whole team to do the last final touches.
doc_bean
10-05-2006, 16:33
Sorry to rain on this particular thread, but it's:
Rumours.
Rumours of rumours.
Baseless speculation.
Pick one, and you'll be close to the truth. :laugh4:
:2thumbsup: :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup:
Thread renamed in honour of Captain Fishpants. (I hope BKB does not mind.)
Mount Suribachi
10-05-2006, 17:10
Sorry to rain on this particular thread, but it's:
Rumours.
Rumours of rumours.
Baseless speculation.
Pick one, and you'll be close to the truth. :laugh4:
Excellent! A new world expansion just doesn't appeal to me (unless its set in the new world in the second half of the 18th Century ~;) )
NimbleNota
10-05-2006, 17:11
I am going to wait and see how MTW2 is first before I even think about mods/expansions
HOOoooWWwwLl
shifty157
10-05-2006, 17:12
Thread renamed in honour of Captain Fishpants. (I hope BKB does not mind.)
Actually Econ i prefered option B.
Mount Suribachi
10-05-2006, 17:18
Thread renamed in honour of Captain Fishpants. (I hope BKB does not mind.)
BWAHAHAHAHA! :laugh4: :laugh4:
Sorry to rain on this particular thread, but it's:
Rumours.
Rumours of rumours.
Baseless speculation.
Pick one, and you'll be close to the truth. :laugh4:
fantastic.
The Blind King of Bohemia
10-05-2006, 19:14
Thread renamed in honour of Captain Fishpants. (I hope BKB does not mind.)
Of course not, but I still bet its gonna be a New World expansion.:laugh4:
Divine Wind
10-05-2006, 19:25
Ah good stuff Cap'n.
Now just hint to the chaps upstairs, that a nice Eastern/Shogun style expansion would be the icing on the cake.
Do you guys except bribes? ~;)
i'd like to see an expansion that opens up Asia, its unfair and incredibly infuriating playing along the east of the map and not being able to expand into Asia! Playing as the Mongols, Chineese, Indians and Japaneese would be great and add an extra dimension to gameplay, not to mention added pressure on the islamic and orthodox nations (who i found too easy in the origional MTW)
i agree a x-pack based on asia would be good moghuls safavids etc :)
Polemists
10-05-2006, 21:08
Not rain anyone's parade but he's not denying it, he's just saying he can't confirm it pretty much.
I'm with you guys, I don't want anymore new world, heck I didn't even want it in MTW 2, but since they added it, it seems likely they'd add more of it.CA seems to like south america. Look at how often they talk about aztecs :P
Rex_Pelasgorum
10-05-2006, 21:50
There will never be any Arab Invasion mod.
It would be quite disturbing for muslim players and christians players alike to play a game in which hordes came out of the Arabian Peninsula, slaughtering everything in theyr path, burning famous libraries, killing christians and zoroastrians, etc. Its simply too disturbing, especially as it would mean to represent some of the companions of Mohamed in the game, etc... it would be scandalous for both muslims and christians alike.
For the christians, playing the Crusader era is not much of a thing, due to the fact that those happen around 1000 years after Christ, they contradict the christian doctrine, etc...
But when it cames to Arab Invasion, it is not the same thing ~:)
It would make zero sense for CA to do an expansion for MTW2 that centers on the conquest of the New World. The sheer amount of work required to flesh out the map of the Americas and the factions involved would take a considerable effort. Let's not even discuss the research and man hours needed to create the native units and buildings in addition to the relevant European and Asiatic buildings and units of the period.
SirGrotius
10-05-2006, 22:36
Would it be insane to want a Total War game that included the Total World? I'm thinking Europa Universalis-esque campaign map.
scourgeofrome
10-05-2006, 22:50
The only reason i want the new world is so I can have custom battle where it is Aztecs vs. Muslim battles located in Northern Europe in the middle of a winter's night. (That would be a classic).
Tomisama
10-06-2006, 00:16
Sorry to rain on this particular thread, but it's:
Rumours.
Rumours of rumours.
Baseless speculation.
Pick one, and you'll be close to the truth. :laugh4:
No it’s:
*Requests
*More Requests
*And Heartfelt Requests
But alas, still falling on deaf ears :shame:
Captain Fishpants
10-06-2006, 11:23
No it’s:
*Requests
*More Requests
*And Heartfelt Requests
But alas, still falling on deaf ears :shame:
I wondered how long it would take for this kind of negativity to appear.
I refer the honourable gentleman to my post of several weeks ago in this thread: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=68019&page=3.
Tomisama
10-06-2006, 12:32
I wondered how long it would take for this kind of negativity to appear.
I refer the honourable gentleman to my post of several weeks ago in this thread: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=68019&page=3.
My sincere apologies :bow:
My personal desire to return to the Shogun Era has overshadowed my judgment in posting.
:2thumbsup: ~:cheers: :charge:
Very good, so most likely it won´t be exclusively (sp?) the NEW World....You won´t tell what the expansion ´ll be Capatain Fishbones, right?????
Captain Fishpants
10-06-2006, 14:13
My sincere apologies :bow:
My personal desire to return to the Shogun Era has overshadowed my judgment in posting.
Instantly accepted without reservation, old bean.
I would rather not see a new world expansion. I don't think it would work particularly well with the MTW model. Tiny bands of vastly technologically superior spaniards going out and fighting thousands of natives? That doesn't sound like too much fun.
I suspect the campaign would also suffer: I can't imagine diplomacy having as big a role, presumably you'd still have religion, though possibly not as much, no castles were ever built in the new world, not much in the way of 'advancing through the ages' etc.
I just generally consider the exploration of the new world to be after the medieval age is over and done.
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